Poll Infinity War Trio tries to stop Statue Hax Force Superman (203 votes)
Stormbreaker Thor, Nano Ironman and Hulk
Thor replaces Diana
Tony replaces Cyborg
Hulk swapped places with Arthur
They jump on him at the same time.
Stormbreaker Thor, Nano Ironman and Hulk
Thor replaces Diana
Tony replaces Cyborg
Hulk swapped places with Arthur
They jump on him at the same time.
To anyone who thinks he snaps their necks, if he didn't do it while facing the JL when his morals were off, why would he do it here?
Either way, he really can't out-muscle Thor, Tony, and Hulk at the same time
@thebestofthebest: Btw, I will admit a few months ago I used Thor hitting Hulk before he could react as Combat speed for Thor with hulks reaction feats and what not (I’m sure you know what I mean) and I definitely was wrong on that front
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@xzone: Alright, glad to know that my man.
@thebestofthebest: Quite honestly, even I (shocker) am getting tired of these debates with LA. They have been done so many times which makes me even more excited for End Game for fresh content
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Tony: Non factor. Gets one shotted by HV
Hulk: Strongest one here physically but overall weaker than Aquaman by virtue of the Submarine feat. Not a significant threat.
Thor: Non factor if we don't take into account uncalculated outliers and focus on consistent feats (Much Much weaker than Superman by virtue of Tectonic plate feat )
Superman solos them as easily as he soloed the league
I realized your post had a bias when you brought up the Sub feat. It's literally a feat that can be replicated by anybody on the Marvel side if they had his maneuverability in water. Aquaman isn't even IM levels of strength. I've seen the movie dude and BM was handling him fresh out of water and his hits have very little (relatively) weight behind them. Aquaman would legit have a hard time against even Cap. Cling onto that outlier for dear life though.
Also HV isn't one-shotting anybody. The best thing it has done was cut through a building when Zod awoken his. Outside of that it has 0 impressive feats.
@thebestofthebest: I deleted my post by accident...
@thebestofthebest: I was wondering about that lol. Not sure if you read my very long answer to Kev in my ask me thread, but I first started off reading comic debates, but I do prefer LA because of the simplicity of there being less content. I think Post-EG a ton of the fights being debated now will be mismatches or stomps (I won’t name em :p). I’m looking forward to the new characters and feats like Captain Marvel, Shazam, and post EG characters
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@thebestofthebest: interested to hear your opinion on this feat. This is taken straight from Amcu’s respect thread btw
This is a deleted scene and is not cannon but I also wanted to note it as it was likely meant to show the characters general capabilities.
Thor reacts to Vision's mind Gem Blast.
It is important to note that Vision's blasts have been calculated at hypersonic speeds.
MCU Vision Mind Gem blast hypersonic in speed
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@xzone: Fair enough, fair enough. I'm only excited for End game, tbh. And Glass (not really related to DCU/MCU).
@thebestofthebest: interested to hear your opinion on this feat. This is taken straight from Amcu’s respect thread btw
This is a deleted scene and is not cannon but I also wanted to note it as it was likely meant to show the characters general capabilities.
Thor reacts to Vision's mind Gem Blast.
It is important to note that Vision's blasts have been calculated at hypersonic speeds.
MCU Vision Mind Gem blast hypersonic in speed
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I've no idea. It's impressive I guess.
the wanker is till wanking? ouch
what you tried to pass off was a previsual scene for the director to get an idea. it proves nothing but just how desperate you are.
a deleted scene by zack synder shows the origin of flash with people as statues. clearly flash would me moving faster against pet cemetery superman. you fail as always.
care to cry over this as well?
official canon mos novel states multiple times superman is invulnerable.
this was in tv spots for age of ultron.
@thebestofthebest: It’s an interesting reaction/slight combat speed cause he moved out of the way, IMO
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If Clark goes right into superspeed mode he stomps. If he tries to tank their attacks like he did in JL he gets stomped.
thor never beat iron man, loki, kurse, ultron, the hulk ,but he can solo against someone who surpasses all of them.
seems legit.
I realized your post had a bias when you brought up the Sub feat.
Yeah I'm biased because I have an opinion that is different from yours and I put forth my arguments that favour the characters that you don't like. You disagree with something, you're welcome to debate and argue with feats and logic. Don't cry about bias. These are a bunch of fictional characters we're debating and everybody is bound to have preferences and a certain way their minds are inclined to see things.
It's literally a feat that can be replicated by anybody on the Marvel side if they had his maneuverability in water.
Why don't you rather prove that his maneuverability and mobility is related to his lifting strength in any way. Please, enlighten the entire CV community including myself.
Aquaman isn't even IM levels of strength.
You are welcome to belive anything you want. I don t get paid to convince you of anything. I just comapared feats and came to the conclusion that none of them have feats that are even remotely comparable to the sub feat
I've seen the movie dude and BM was handling him fresh out of water and his hits have very little (relatively) weight behind them.
Thor vs Hela had no weight behind hits. Thor vs Iron Man had no weight behind hits. Thor vs Loki had no weight behind hits. By your logic, they are weak. Grow up, not every movie is Man of Steel where there will be shockwaves and craters every other minute. BM being able to fight Arthur is a feat for BM because he had an Atlantean battle armour and Atlantean steel weapons that are able to cut Arthur and specially since Arthur already has well established feats on both land and water. Watch Justice League to have a clear opinion on how strong Arthur is on land. He surfed a Parademon through a building and came out of it unharmed. His punches sent Steppenwolf back several meters and Steppenwolf already defeated him in water where Arthur has lifted subs.
Aquaman would legit have a hard time against even Cap.
Even in Justice League it was pretty clear that Aquaman is a mid tier character by CBM standards. He took hits from Superman and Steppenwolf and fought on an almost equal footing with Diana against Wolf. He is most likely slightly weaker than Diana. But here you are claiming that Cap will trouble him. Don't worry I'm not gonna whine about it. I'll choose to ignore it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Like I said, I don't have a problem if you take a bucket of piss and call it granny's peach tea.
Cling onto that outlier for dear life though.
I will even if you whine about it harder.
Also HV isn't one-shotting anybody. The best thing it has done was cut through a building when Zod awoken his. Outside of that it has 0 impressive feats.
HV is 6000 degree celcius. That's documented in BvS UC. Neither Hulk nor Stark has tanked anuthing half as hot. They get melted to slag.
@thebestofthebest: Quite honestly, even I (shocker) am getting tired of these debates with LA. They have been done so many times which makes me even more excited for End Game for fresh contentfeats
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For you to wank and for everyone else to downplay.
thor never beat iron man, loki, kurse, ultron, the hulk ,but he can solo against someone who surpasses all of them.
seems legit.
Your name is the reason why I dont take you seriously.
If Clark goes right into superspeed mode he stomps. If he tries to tank their attacks like he did in JL he gets stomped.
Supes has NEVER tried to tank a Sharp object throughout DCEU except from Doomsday spikes but even then he knew he wouldent be able to take them He stomps here
@olajoe1: He has tanked bullet deliberately on several occasions.
They are slower, but have like 100x the attack potency that ww, Arthur, cyborg, and flash were exerting in that scene. Team stomps. Superman isn’t tanking stormbreaker, nor is he no selling a fully powered lightning blast.
@subline: why do you all keep saying DCEU flash is faster than Qs? It's never been stated or shown
@xzone: @deltahuman: Superman's tectonic plate feat may actually be relevant. It was referenced by Luthor in the BvS prequel comic:
Notice how Luthor said "earthquakes" with an "s", plural. That means Superman is used to doing stuff like that off-panels, stopping earthquakes by "shifting" tectonic plates n sh*t.
I've read it, but I didn't notice that^ until recently (thanks to Macleen). So.. what y'all think?
Well my consensus has always been clear.
I don't like unexpected and unexplained exponential jumps in powerlevels. I also don't like regular characters/heroes like Superman or Thor having multi million/billion tonne level strength because for starters, it makes scaling other characters to them really tough. Also that level of strength makes their fights look stupid, redundant and really makes it hard to debate for or against them. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say here and see where I'm going with this. Multi million/billion tonne strength levels are stupid in CBMs regardless of the character in question. Characters having such level of power will need to constantly job in every fight scene for the scene to not end in a few seconds. It makes other characters redundant. It makes calculations of feats difficult. Overall, everything becomes a mess.
But getting back to the topic in hand, Yes. This prelude comic does present more conclusive evidence that DCEU Superman can in fact shift tectonic plates to stop Earthquakes. Prequel/Tie-In feats included, Superman would be a sextillion tonner (average weight of a tectonic plate). I'd still not prefer using this feat and I'd prefer assigning Superman at 10k+ ton range (from the building/ship feat) but yeah, In case, I see anyone trying to pass off outlier/inconsistent/unquatifiable feats as legitimate ones while debating me or while arguing against Superman, I'll be tempted to consider Superman at Sextillion ton range. The newspaper clipping along with this new comic strip you've posted should help me bolster my arguments.
Also, what I've seen repeatedly is that Prequel/Tie-In feats are regularly used for many characters. Like MCU War Machine being able to lift a tank or BP being a bullet timer etc. So, by that logic, Superman can indeed shift tectonic plates. Don't expect certain people blinded in bias and hypocrisy to accept it though. That is against their nature.
Nonetheless, Thank you for notifying. Now I have a new weapon in my arsenal to piss off salty MCU Wankers and Hypocrites. LOL.
@deltahuman: LOL, fair enough. No problem tho. Cheers.
@darkthunder: Some guy calced it on YT. Plus theres how he casually statues Wonder Woman.
@thebestofthebest: I think that’s pretty cool, and it will seem more believable if we see some comparable feats on screen later on, but I still don’t think the feat is legit at this time
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@subline: Qs also statues Captain America as be everyone else
@xzone: Agreed. Do you still consider Thor as astronomically stronger high tier?
@xzone: Agreed. Do you still consider Thor as astronomicallystronger high tier?
I don't believe I ever used that word, but he is still far stronger by actual On-Screen feats
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@xzone: Is it the ring feat? Because I don't think he actually moved it. Acting like an anchor, isn't the same thing as moving or lifting it. This is further backed up in the subsequent part of the scene, wherein he heavy struggles to open/lift the iris which is ridiculously smaller than the rings. I, unironically, think any DCEU/MCU top tier (referring to Superman & Hulk and Kurse) could replicate the feat without having the need to exert their strength that much (even Nucleon agrees with me xd).
@subline: Qs also statues Captain America as be everyone else
And Captain America has what speed feats?
Wonder Woman makes statues appear frozen.
Stop the wank, just try to not have such a fixed opinion, and actually think about the feats.
Why are people using a head canon Superman here? He only started using flash level speed against flash, I don't see flash in the Avengers roster
@xzone: Actually when he grabbed Wonder Woman and tossed her away.. the bullets were standing still as you can see in 2:20. The only time we see them moving in slow mo is after he tries to catch the Flash and the latter goes off balance which is prolly because of that (2:30). But from there up to 3:36 (you can also see other bullets completely frozen in place at 3:12-14) they were shown to be frozen in the air. They only seemed to be moving at 3:19 is 'cause of the camera angel/movements but in reality they weren't moving at all, and 3:36 is a further proof of that, you can see the bullets are still frozen in the same place they were at 3:19. So yeah, Superman statued bullets and the league as well :P
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Forgot to post the video.
@rem: Because he has better strength feats? How can you even deny what’s seen on-screen is beyond me
Edit: Here’s my explanation
Ring Feat:
For proving this, I'm gonna be using some of the commentary from Avengers: Infinity War. I believe these Director's comments are valid in reinforcing what was said and seen On-Screen
Now, many have claimed that Thor only had to break the ice because the rings moved on their own after the ice was broken, hence the machine was doing most of the work. I'm going to explain why that's incorrect:
Etri: You'll have to restart the forge. Awaken the heart of a dying star
Thor: Rabbit, fire up the pod
What we can take from this dialogue is that the forge needed to be restarted, obviously, and that they needed to move the rings to restart it. Not once is the ice mentioned here, and what that leads me to believe is that the rings needed to be moved to kick start/restart the engine, very similar to how you pull a cord on a lawn mower to get the engine going
This scene was meant to be visually stunning, showing the incredible power of Thor. This is further proven by the Director's comments made while Thor was moving the rings (IW Commentary)
Joe Russo: And, Thor, one of the things I loved about him as a kid was the fact that he was a god. And that his abilities were god-like. And this is like the Trials of Hercules
Mcfeely: Right
Joe Russo: He has to do something insanely difficult that requires as insane display of power that very few people in the universe could pull off
What I take from this is that this scene was supposed to display Thor's god-like abilities. Joe Russo even compares this ring feat to the trials of Hercules and says that very few people in the universe could pull this off
Rocket: I don't think you get the scientifics here. You wanna get those things moving you're gonna need something a lot bigger to yank em loose
Thor: Leave that to me
Rocket: Leave it to you? Buddy, you're in space, all you got is a rope and ah....
Clearly Rocket is saying Thor needs to move the rings here
Summary:
I believe that all of this evidence together proves that Thor did in fact move these rings and that the engine was not working before he kick started it, so Thor was not assisted in any way by the engine
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Despite MCU lvl of logic sucks compared to DCEU one i completely agree with u and Russo
@xzone: Actually when he grabbed Wonder Woman and tossed her away.. the bullets were standing still as you can see in 2:20. The only time we see them moving in slow mo is after he tries to catch the Flash and the latter goes off balance which is prolly because of that (2:30). But from there up to 3:36 (you can also see other bullets completely frozen in place at 3:12-14) they were shown to be frozen in the air. They only seemed to be moving at 3:19 is 'cause of the camera angel/movements but in reality they weren't moving at all, and 3:36 is a further proof of that, you can see the bullets are still frozen in the same place they were at 3:19. So yeah, Superman statued bullets and the league as well :P
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Forgot to post the video.
Nice
Anyways, they don't look frozen to me, just slow
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@xzone: Is it the ring feat? Because I don't think he actually moved it. Acting like an anchor, isn't the same thing as moving or lifting it. This is further backed up in the subsequent part of the scene, wherein he heavy struggles to open/lift the iris which is ridiculously smaller than the rings. I, unironically, think any DCEU/MCU top tier (referring to Superman & Hulk and Kurse) could replicate the feat without having the need to exert their strength that much (even Nucleon agrees with me xd).
I disagree
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@subline: we has no other speed feats than dodging bullets and also with a shield or bracelet. Cap has done that too
@blackpantherisb: Bullets are not Sharp hence why bulletproof vests can get cut with a knife
@bayman007: Why does kryptonite need to be part of piercing Clark? His best piercing feats are 30mm rounds, and Stormbreaker has feats far above that
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