Infinity War Thor replaces DCEU Superman

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#101 Posted by Karkus (834 posts) - - Show Bio

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@nucleon: True, but he wasn't too far away from him in terms of speed and got close to tagging him. Do you see Thor replicating that feat like Superman did?

No, he can't of course, but there's no need to neither if Thor simply calls down lightning on him or if he effectuates an area-of-effect attack (by striking the ground). He could also just throw the hammer at him, although his motion won't be fast enough.

Thor doesn't have to solve problems "à la Superman"; He is his own character, and can arrive to Superman's results, or better, using another manner entirely - and vice-versa.

I agree that Thor may be able to tag Flash through other means, and I wasn't arguing against that. A user made a claim that Thor could do everything Superman did in the movies, and that was one instance that I couldn't see Thor replicating and wanted to point out.

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#102 Edited by HERMES1220 (619 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly don’t see him getting past Nam-Ek and Faora. They were out speeding and out muscling him at times. Thor literally almost got punched out by Thanos. His blunt force durability is consistently low compared to what people are saying it’s at. They would be able to take control of the fight much more easily than they were able to with SM. He’s stopping at Zod for sure.

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#103 Edited by Megafanflash (851 posts) - - Show Bio

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He doesn't get to act more - he just throws high-velocity punches. If this is super-speed, then anyone with a high-velocity 5mm SMG is also a speedster. Velocity doesn't help combat speed - it hinders it at some point, because you've got to work just as hard to fight inertia from it. Combat speed is more about manoeuvrability and fighting science than actual speed.

Face it: Martial artists like Bats and the Widow knows how to fight efficiently, more than Supes (which is no feat). You want fast combat speed, don't watch "MoS"; Watch "Ip Man".

He does get to act more. He is able to catch people of guard with his speed, he traveled meters around and threw punches at flash whilst Aquaman and WW (rather fast characters) were at a stand still. He was able to get in more moves and attacks during a period of time where those two didn't move at all. He punched a leaping Aquaman away, unable to react at all. We also have Lois Lane being held at gun point, Supes rushes in, with precision, avoiding Lois from taking any damage.

Sure, he is not as skilled, and would be worse at countering attacks and knowing how to fight, but that has NOTHING to do with his combat speed compared to humans, if you use the actual definition, and not the one you keep using.

@nucleon said: "then anyone with a high-velocity 5mm SMG is also a speedster"

- If they themselves don't move at said speed, they are not a speedster. Speedster is a person who moves very fast. So no, not an argument.

You either misuse another word, velocity, or/and you need to prove Supes inertia.

Sure, maneuverability is important to be efficient and can be a tool to achieve higher combat speed. However, it is not in of itself combat speed, by definition.

Yeah, probably shouldn't watch MoS if you want to see any type of combat.. And Ip man is cool. Insanely superior beings vs Skill :)

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#104 Posted by Supermanforever (9249 posts) - - Show Bio

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@supermanforever: debating nucleon? :D the guy who thinks superman is harmed from car dropping on his head. Gl with that lmao.

Sorry, maybe you got mixed up - I don't even know what you are refering to. My "peculiarity" is rather that I believe most un-amped martial artists, including Bats and Black Widow, have in fact better combat speed than Supes. =)

lol

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#105 Edited by InFrontOff (39 posts) - - Show Bio

This and fan dceu still no stop wanking.

Thor can beat faora nam-ek and zod by destroy mask they.

By feat stormbreaker thor clears definitely.

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No way can't hurt he please stop wank nam-ek and faora they die horribly.

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#106 Posted by Crunch5481 (1440 posts) - - Show Bio

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@crunch5481: This. You thought Faora made a fool out of Superman? Wait til she fights Thor lol

Technically, Superman's an execrable fighter - The Hulk may fight with more science. His fighting style is that of a dick, precisely, one that counts on basic passive superiority instead of actual effort to win all of his fights.

It also looks like this "combat style" is common to every Kryptonians, including their military; Bullrush, rince, repeat.

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Faora very clearly demonstrates combat skill and reactions far above a "bullrush"

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#107 Posted by Zachary_Rayner (179 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor can clear it, not as easily as Clark. But he can do it

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#108 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably breaks the World Engine via axe throw.

Zod kills him.

Doomsday would kill him, as would Batman's guns. He can beat the JL, especially since Diana is holding back.

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#109 Posted by SirPounce (263 posts) - - Show Bio

Dies in Smallville.

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#110 Posted by MattyBoi (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor clears all movies.

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#111 Posted by deactivated-5d2cf537b4a1c (3506 posts) - - Show Bio

If he gets past them, He can definitely destroy the World Engine in one go since he doesn't have to worry about the atmosphere...... or does he?

Loki is fine in outer space in the tie-ins. And Thor didn't suffer any symptoms when Hela took him out of the Bifrost, or in Nidavellir, or when he was unconscious and floating after Thanos destroyed the Statesman at the beginning of IW.

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#112 Edited by DarkPsychicLord_Prime (4189 posts) - - Show Bio

@crunch5481: Yeah, wait till they fight Thor and get oneshotted by lightning or Stormbreaker, that would be fun to watch.

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#113 Edited by DarkPsychicLord_Prime (4189 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan: So what's in your case, ignoring feats or wanking kryptonians? because everyone on this thread that says Thor doesn't clear is doing either of the two, or both.

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#114 Posted by jashro44 (54452 posts) - - Show Bio

Does he have to survive the nuke? Not sure if he could do that. Honestly he might not make it past MOS.

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#115 Edited by Lan_Fan (16678 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkpsychiclord_prime: Or.... They're just looking at it from a different perspective. It's funny to me how the biggest wanker/lowballer in the room is always the one that says those kind of things.

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#116 Posted by DarkPsychicLord_Prime (4189 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan: Yeah, except they are saying he gets stomped by Nam-Ek and Faora, or Zod, when he would already beat them since Infinity War, they aren't looking from another perspective, they are just bringing the same arguments that have been brought for years, and have already been discussed to death. That's why i say that people are either ignoring Thor's feats or wanking kryptonians.

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#117 Posted by nightgate (1353 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a toss up, he clears 4/10 mainly due to Zod.

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#118 Posted by ShiZZmAhh (987 posts) - - Show Bio
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#119 Posted by ANTHP2000 (29514 posts) - - Show Bio

He dies against Doomsday.

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#120 Posted by Crunch5481 (1440 posts) - - Show Bio

@crunch5481: Yeah, wait till they fight Thor and get oneshotted by lightning or Stormbreaker, that would be fun to watch.

lol, they're not getting one shot by lightning and SB would have to hit them, which it wont. Thor couldn't even hit Thanos in a fair fight with it, he's not hitting Faora particularly who's WAY faster than Thanos. First of all, they are wearing metal armor. Iron Man was shown to be able to be hit by lightning in Avengers and Tony wasn't damaged at all, his suit had marks but he himself was unharmed. The kryptonians aren't being taken out by that period. Lightning cloak isn't doing jack to none fodder.

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#121 Posted by FinalKingThanos (2585 posts) - - Show Bio

He would take much more damage than Supes but will likely kill his enemies.

Due to plot and stormbreaker he’ll win all battles lol but “realistically” in smallville he probably gets smashes until he starts unleashing lighting or cracking the helmets, I could see him killing Faora and Na-Mek due to them being cocky in the fight and not expecting Thor to be able to summon his axe in secret.

Zod again will probably smash him around time and time again but he’ll eventually land a hit especially before Zod adapts and he can kill him with one or two good axe shots.

Doomsday is the most interesting to me.

He either mauls Thor instantly or Thor could possibly decap him in his first form. If they get to the nuke stage then it’s likely they nuke the City as I can’t see Thor BFRing to space.

Both Thor and Batman would be dead from the nuke with Thor possibly reviving due to his axe magic (I’ll go with this just to continue the post).

With Wonder Woman’s sword , Thors Axe they might be able to take it in a very long fight or they both die in a long fight as I don’t think Batman would have made a Kryptonite spear as a clutch.

If for some reason they do have the spear then they take it much easier as neither Thor or Diana would feel its effects and could use that as an advantage.

All this is just my take on how it would go if he was in the films with similar narrative and the hero of the story.

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#122 Posted by MethoKi (12575 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar said:
@batman242 said:

If he gets past them, He can definitely destroy the World Engine in one go since he doesn't have to worry about the atmosphere...... or does he?

Loki is fine in outer space in the tie-ins. And Thor didn't suffer any symptoms when Hela took him out of the Bifrost, or in Nidavellir, or when he was unconscious and floating after Thanos destroyed the Statesman at the beginning of IW.

Krypton's atmosphere is particularly toxic and Kryptonians themselves evolved to adjust to it. I'm not certain if Thor can just go through that atmosphere from the World Engine without feeling sick.

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#123 Posted by MethoKi (12575 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan: Yeah, except they are saying he gets stomped by Nam-Ek and Faora, or Zod, when he would already beat them since Infinity War, they aren't looking from another perspective, they are just bringing the same arguments that have been brought for years, and have already been discussed to death. That's why i say that people are either ignoring Thor's feats or wanking kryptonians.

Irony at it's finest.

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#124 Posted by chuggachugga170 (412 posts) - - Show Bio

lightning cloak can possibly one shot faora/nam ek due to lightning being hotter than hv and randomly spreads everywhere plus they both got hurt by hv

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#125 Posted by katrurius17 (1388 posts) - - Show Bio
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#126 Posted by deactivated-5d2cf537b4a1c (3506 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242:

Oh my bad, I didn’t realize you were talking about the Kryptonian atmosphere. I thought that whole thing happened before any of the fighting?

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#127 Edited by arqe (885 posts) - - Show Bio

He is not getting past MoS Smallville fight.

His only "impressive" attacks works only on fodder. No one else.

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#128 Posted by TheVVitchKing (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

I fail to see why he can’t one shot Faora and Nam ek with a giant lightning bolt

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#129 Posted by godzilla44 (7660 posts) - - Show Bio

If he somehow survives fighting Faora & Nam Ek, a fully adapted Zod murders him and Somehow beats Zod, Doomsday manhandles him.

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#130 Edited by Eredin12 (876 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor stomps Faora and Namek with complete ease and bets Zod, They do not scale to JL Superman in any shape or form, using that logic even Jor-El is as fast and strong as JL Superman.

Doomsday is a problem but Thor can BFR or use Bifrost to kill him if evreything else fails and can use flight to avoid him.

He can stomp Steppenwolf and beat justice league ( without Superman) since all members of JL would get one shoted by lighting cloak.

Thor already tanked city busting to face without problems so he can tank nuke better than weakened Superman did.

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#131 Posted by eri123 (2754 posts) - - Show Bio

He beats Faora and Namek with ease,they got burned by HV they will get destroyed by the lighting.

He beats Zod,stronger,more durable,can react to his speed,lighting and a weapon that can one shot.

He beats Batman

Lex Luther probably dies,since Thor doesn't have the travel speed to catch DD punch,but hey no Legion of Doom.

He slices and dices Doomsday with the help of Diana,also Batman kryptonite,DD bones wouldn't even be able to pierce him cause it doesn't have any feats outside stabbing a weakend Superman and Thor has his armor.

Doesn't need to fight the Justice League since he won't die.

Steppenwolf is no problem at all.

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#132 Posted by RandomGuy287 (2039 posts) - - Show Bio

any marvel clears

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#133 Posted by Trololololol (842 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Thor wins . He defeats Steppenwolf for sure . He can also defeat the kryptonians , but he would have one hell of a time against Doomsday .

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#134 Posted by deactivated-5d0ddd60d0f15 (29 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor dies

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#136 Edited by deactivated-5d0ddd60d0f15 (29 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi: in MOS or BvS

Won't get past Doomsday

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#137 Edited by deactivated-5d2cf537b4a1c (3506 posts) - - Show Bio

MOS - Thor probably has to work a bit to beat an adapted Zod, who is his superior in combat speed and aerial mobility, yet his inferior in all energy-related aspects. But considering he'd kill Zod off way before Zod would have time to adapt or even declare anything, he mows through MOS and fodderizes the Kryptonians before they ever reach Earth. And for the US's attacks, a single lightning bolt would take care of each fighter jet.

BvS - One-shots Batsy. Probably decaps or BFRs DD before he adapts. If not, he borrows the Sword of Athena and shoves it where the sun don't shine. Makes love with Diana on DD's carcass. This is the only place he really has to fear dying, because he can't trust that DD will be slow enough to give him an opportunity to strike, nor can he CQC DD without getting a Kurse treatment, and, well, dying.

JL - Clears the JL, but would probably regain his senses upon encountering Diana personally. He decaps Steppenwolf mid-charge and pulls a Zeus on the Unity.

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#138 Posted by Namebk (1229 posts) - - Show Bio

He clears them. His hardest battle will be Doomsday because his lightning will amp him. Thor with the help of Wonder Woman and the Kryptonite spear should be able to defeat Doomsday.

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#139 Posted by Omandtellor (207 posts) - - Show Bio

This and fan dceu still no stop wanking.

Thor can beat faora nam-ek and zod by destroy mask they.

By feat stormbreaker thor clears definitely.

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No way can't hurt he please stop wank nam-ek and faora they die horribly.

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#141 Posted by BloodTimeline (204 posts) - - Show Bio

@infrontoff said:

This and fan dceu still no stop wanking.

Thor can beat faora nam-ek and zod by destroy mask they.

By feat stormbreaker thor clears definitely.

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No way can't hurt he please stop wank nam-ek and faora they die horribly.

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#142 Posted by Guynoname101 (88 posts) - - Show Bio

And still no one in DCEU can build damage to Thor.

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#143 Posted by The_Red_Devil (5082 posts) - - Show Bio

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MOS - Thor probably has to work a bit to beat an adapted Zod, who is his superior in combat speed and aerial mobility, yet his inferior in all energy-related aspects. But considering he'd kill Zod off way before Zod would have time to adapt or even declare anything, he mows through MOS and fodderizes the Kryptonians before they ever reach Earth. And for the US's attacks, a single lightning bolt would take care of each fighter jet.

BvS - One-shots Batsy. Probably decaps or BFRs DD before he adapts. If not, he borrows the Sword of Athena and shoves it where the sun don't shine. Makes love with Diana on DD's carcass. This is the only place he really has to fear dying, because he can't trust that DD will be slow enough to give him an opportunity to strike, nor can he CQC DD without getting a Kurse treatment, and, well, dying.

JL - Clears the JL, but would probably regain his senses upon encountering Diana personally. He decaps Steppenwolf mid-charge and pulls a Zeus on the Unity.

@namebk said:

He clears them. His hardest battle will be Doomsday because his lightning will amp him. Thor with the help of Wonder Woman and the Kryptonite spear should be able to defeat Doomsday.

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#144 Posted by Bayman007 (2165 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is too slow to pose a threat against the Kryptonians.

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#145 Posted by DarkPsychicLord_Prime (4189 posts) - - Show Bio

lol, they're not getting one shot by lightning

Yes, they are, Thor has destroyed things way more durable than what Faora and Nam-Ek displayed, with just lightning bolts, Faora got ko'd by a missile for crying out loud. Stop overrating these side villains just because they are kryptoninans, they don't even fully scale to Man Of Steel Superman, as he was superior to them.

and SB would have to hit them, which it wont. Thor couldn't even hit Thanos in a fair fight with it,

A fat Thor who hadn't fought and had done nothing else than drinking and eating in five years couldn't tag a Thanos who had been constantly training, fighting and massacring half of planets population, and he could still keep up with him and dodge his attacks.

he's not hitting Faora particularly who's WAY faster than Thanos.

Faora can move faster than Thanos, that's for sure, but his reaction and combat speed is above her, examples being him reacting to photon blasts from CM (while cooking), aswell as being able to tag her twice(Captain marvel having hypersonic reaction and combat speed feats), reacting to 8 repulsor blasts from Iron Man, powered by Thor's lightning, at the same time and spinning his blade fast enough to block them, reacting to a bullrushing Iron Man, giant pieces of debris thrown by Scarlett Witch, point blank Mjolnir throws, etc. Faora could react to a casual Superman but when he got serious both Nam-ek and her got blitzed. A fat Thor not being able to tag Thanos isn't really a bad showing, and not really relevant as he will fry them with lightning right off the bat.

First of all, they are wearing metal armor. Iron Man was shown to be able to be hit by lightning in Avengers and Tony wasn't damaged at all, his suit had marks but he himself was unharmed.

First of all, there's a clear difference between lightning from a weakened holding back Thor who was there just to retrieve Loki and didn't want to kill Iron Man, and full power lightning from the sky like he used on Hela, Leviathans, Frost Giants, Sokovia, Ultron, etc, which puts it easily on the multi-city block level, and more than enough to one-shot both of them. Second of all, Iron Man being able to absorb energy from lightning doesn't translate to the Kryptonian armors they wear being able to do the same, so not really a good comparission, and even though those armors are pretty durable, they aren't comparable to the things Thor has destroyed.

Lightning cloak isn't doing jack to none fodder.

Lightning cloak has the feats to destroy their armor, either you want it to accept it or not. What isn't doing jack shit is their strikes to Thor, as he has tanked strikes and explosions far beyond what they can dish out.

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#146 Posted by Tzimiscelord (418 posts) - - Show Bio

thor clears easily

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#147 Edited by Crunch5481 (1440 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkpsychiclord_prime said:
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lol, they're not getting one shot by lightning

Yes, they are, Thor has destroyed things way more durable than what Faora and Nam-Ek displayed, with just lightning bolts, Faora got ko'd by a missile for crying out loud. Stop overrating these side villains just because they are kryptoninans, they don't even fully scale to Man Of Steel Superman, as he was superior to them.

and SB would have to hit them, which it wont. Thor couldn't even hit Thanos in a fair fight with it,

A fat Thor who hadn't fought and had done nothing else than drinking and eating in five years couldn't tag a Thanos who had been constantly training, fighting and massacring half of planets population, and he could still keep up with him and dodge his attacks.

he's not hitting Faora particularly who's WAY faster than Thanos.

Faora can move faster than Thanos, that's for sure, but his reaction and combat speed is above her, examples being him reacting to photon blasts from CM (while cooking), aswell as being able to tag her twice(Captain marvel having hypersonic reaction and combat speed feats), reacting to 8 repulsor blasts from Iron Man, powered by Thor's lightning, at the same time and spinning his blade fast enough to block them, reacting to a bullrushing Iron Man, giant pieces of debris thrown by Scarlett Witch, point blank Mjolnir throws, etc. Faora could react to a casual Superman but when he got serious both Nam-ek and her got blitzed. A fat Thor not being able to tag Thanos isn't really a bad showing, and not really relevant as he will fry them with lightning right off the bat.

First of all, they are wearing metal armor. Iron Man was shown to be able to be hit by lightning in Avengers and Tony wasn't damaged at all, his suit had marks but he himself was unharmed.

First of all, there's a clear difference between lightning from a weakened holding back Thor who was there just to retrieve Loki and didn't want to kill Iron Man, and full power lightning from the sky like he used on Hela, Leviathans, Frost Giants, Sokovia, Ultron, etc, which puts it easily on the multi-city block level, and more than enough to one-shot both of them. Second of all, Iron Man being able to absorb energy from lightning doesn't translate to the Kryptonian armors they wear being able to do the same, so not really a good comparission, and even though those armors are pretty durable, they aren't comparable to the things Thor has destroyed.

Lightning cloak isn't doing jack to none fodder.

Lightning cloak has the feats to destroy their armor, either you want it to accept it or not. What isn't doing jack shit is their strikes to Thor, as he has tanked strikes and explosions far beyond what they can dish out.

The most durable thing Thor has destroyed with his lightning alone are the leviathans, that's the closest he gets to purely destroying something durable with lightning. "muh outrider ships" no. Lightning doesn't spontaneously create huge fireballs and black smoke, it is very very clear that it was the explosions the lightning sparked that blew up the ship, not the inherent properties of the lightning itself. I'm not going to continue to explain this phenomenon over and over, I'm tired of doing so.

Thor was still doing the same knee slide we see him doing in Thor 2. Thor did not get destroyed because he was out of shape, why is that so hard to understand. He would have been beaten at prime levels just the same, Thanos is just superior. Thor is not human, he is a thousand year old asgardian. He isn't forgetting all his fighting experience in just 5 years nor is he going to lose a noticeable amount of strength, he was still able to make Thanos try to pierce him with SB, it was not easy for Thanos. Thor isn't getting a hit on Thanos with SB regardless of Thor's physical shape. The Russo Brothers have confirmed the only reason Thor hit Thanos is IW is because he was caught completely off-guard, and that Thanos would have stomped otherwise.

What in the-. Thanos does not have combat speed or reactions on par with Faora, what are you smoking? Literally nothing you provided requires speed greater than what Faora has shown. None of those. Those situations all involved a time period in which Thanos had additional time to aim block.

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Dude nothing Thanos has done even comes close to being as precise and fast as what Faora does to Superman right here, let alone her feat against the soldiers later on which was explained by the SFX director to have been purposely slowed down so the audience could perceive it. No one is getting fried with lightning, any lightning big enough to do anything takes too long to charge up, he'd be smacked down.

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All Instances of characters hit with lightning that didn't take extremely long to charge. And in none of these instances did the characters get damaged by the lightning nor did their armor get damaged. Steppenwolf in particular, who we saw a direct comparison to a kryptonian, just tanks Zeus's lightning. Don't conveniently forget the time it takes Thor to strike.

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#148 Posted by Darkthunder (3417 posts) - - Show Bio

How many of these do we need?

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#149 Edited by Omandtellor (207 posts) - - Show Bio

@crunch5481: Thanos >>>>>> steppenwolf and lightning thor is a magic it can hurt kryptonian.

Doomsday get cut by sword magic it show that DCEU kryptonian weak to magic.

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#150 Posted by AllHellKingDox (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is so overrated he has no skill he loses damn near every h2h fight thor had mjonir for milliena yet cap performed much better with it. He fights at peak human level and heavy hitters. Hulk,Kurse, thanos, ultron, vision, have all knocked his hammer out his hand in combat. Faora and Nam-ek stomps faora has a dagger she guts thor.