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Posted by CRUSHYOURENEMIES (2553 posts) 11 months, 29 days ago

Poll: Infinity THANOS with the Gauntlet vs Doctor MANHATTAN (158 votes)

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Thanos is full stacked on gems

Manhattan is full stacked on his abilities

purple vs blue

to the deathhhhh

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#51 Posted by StormShadow_X (16702 posts) - - Show Bio

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@rr79 said:

@stormshadow_x: Going by feats, Thanos has never had to go up against someone with that power. However, he does have the full infinity gauntlet, one of which is the reality stone which allows him to rewrite reality how he wants it. It isn't a stretch to say that Manhattan would not be able to "blow someone up" that can literally rewrite reality. And again, destroying half the life in the universe(because that is what he wanted, not because he was limited to that) is so far above not being able to destroy all the nukes on a single planet it isn't even funny. Again, it's obvious Thanos wins. And again, he could simply use the Time stone to take Manhattan to before he became Manhattan. Or he could use the Reality stone to make Manhattan nothing more than a normal person. Or he could just snap and destroy Manhattan completely.

See I understand the other arguments but what does rewriting realities has to do with being blown up? The infinity gauntlet won't put him back together itself. Lets say We have MCU Thanos with the gauntlet but then comic thanos punches him through his chest.... Despite all that power he can still be physically hurt by something he's not ready for. Why would he even consider the fact that Manhattan could just "blow" him up. He wouldn't without knowledge.

Ok Thanos can wipe out half the universe thats impressive, but people seem to fail to realize as impressive as that is he'd still probably get wrecked by a character like comic Wally West or Silver Surfer both characters who lack that capability.

Every other ability you suggested thanos to do ( such as turning him back to his previous self) Thanos would not do at the start of a fight whereas Manhattan would especially consider he himself can see the future unless something is interfering. He can see every possible way Thanos could beat him and instead of letting it happen he simply blows him up which as I've said Thanos has no defense against.

The issue I'm seeing with Thanos Defenders is they equate his mass power with Durability or the effects of other forms of hax. Thanos can wipe out half a universe is cool but they're are plenty of fictional characters who can't do anything of that calibur and could still beat him. Professor X could mind rape MCU Thanos instantly could he not and last I checked he couldn't do half of what the infinity stones could.

Wow you're wanking so much lmao. Thanos can do the same with the time gem. He just doesn't do it but it's possible since Doctor Strange did it. Manhattan never shown the feat of not being turned into bubbles. I think my grammar slipped there but idc.

Nah its fine, my grammar slips plenty but let me ask you this. Manhattan doesn't simply and its practically a passive ability. Thanos would have to activate it and choose to do it, something he would see no purpose to at the start of a fight.

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#52 Posted by StormShadow_X (16702 posts) - - Show Bio

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He can be physically hurt by something he is not ready for, as in the case of Thor hurting him with Stormbreaker. However, even then he was able to use the time stone to turn back time. Personally, I don't see him going into the fight without a plan, this is Thanos after all. Even without knowledge he is not an idiot. One could argue that the soul stone could give him some knowledge as he said he was "cursed with knowledge" when he got the Soul Stone. He could very easily go into a fight with an unknown foe using the reality stone first, like he did with Gamora, to make them see what he wants them to see as a way of testing out their abilities

Thats the argument though. He can't use the time stone to turn back time if he himself is incapable of doing so, which would be the case if he was "blown" up. I doubt he would go into the fight without a plan but all of his encounters he had prior knowledge while manhattan casually is okay with starting of with his normal "blow them up" mentality. I disagree with the statment about the soul stone, we're here to debate what we know not what we assume. Ironically I'm about to make an assumption as well, I don't doubt the reality stone could work on Manhattan but the way Manhattan describes his point of view I doubt illusions would work but again thats just an assumption.

I am not one of those people. There are many character in comics that could beat MCU Thanos with the infinity gauntlet. But it's still way more impressive than not even being able to destroy all the nukes on a single planet. As such, his power is far above Manhattan's.

I'll try and say it again, the power to wipe out a Universe is amazing but its not as A>B>C thing. Do we need to list fictional characters who can't do that capable of easily beating MCU Thanos?

Except, as already mentioned, it isn't out of character for Thanos to start the fight using the reality stone. There are also limits to what Manhattan can see into the future. Remember, Dr Strange looked at millions of possible futures to find the one way they could win, they lost every other way. And even that way they lost the battle, may win the war in the end though.

They're are limits sure but they are still a passive ability that ongoing whereas thanos has to actively use the time stone (in a way he hasn't before), but what does Doctor strange's statement have to do with this fight?

Most people put his durability high mainly because of his fight with Hulk at the beginning of the movie. The same Hulk that casually kicked Thor and sent him flying hundreds of meters away hard enough to crash through the reinforced wall of a gladiator arena built to hold super strong contenders. He treated Hulk like he was nothing, beating him so bad, in a few seconds, that Hulk was afraid to come out for the rest of the movie. And hulks hits did nothing to him. Then you have Star Lord placing a bomb on him that did nothing more than knock him to his knees, Iron Man using every single thing he can and still only bringing a single drop of blood....etc. So yeah, he has high durability because of his feats, not because of his mass. And yes 616 Xavier could probably TP MCU Thanos. However, he is resistant to that as even Mantis was having trouble with it and she held a Celestial for a time with her abilities. Obviously there are characters that can beat him, he isn't completely invincible, even comic Thanos isn't completely invincible even with the Infinity Gauntlet, but he is very high up there. And as mentioned before, he is extremely intelligent and a planner, he isn't going into a fight with someone he knows nothing about without a plan. And again, it could be argued that the soul stone would give him some knowledge anyway(probably only basic knowledge but still).

There is no "could" be argued, it is or it isn't. There is not point to bring up his planning when this is a straight up random fight. If thanos or Manhattan win it will be under a second. This fight will not be drawn out in anyway. All of those durability feats listed are mute. Those are direct physcial attacks, something Manhattan doesn't implore. You think anyone but maybe Doctor Strange could stop doctor Manhattan if he was the villain of Infinity War? I hope you understand this. His durability is irrelevant to this battle. Professor Xavier was just a example. What happens if MCU Thanos goes against someone that turns you to stone with a glance, or a character like ghost rider with the pendace stare? Thanos will be effected and lose any opportunity to sue the gauntlet in the first place.

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#53 Posted by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

Thats the argument though. He can't use the time stone to turn back time if he himself is incapable of doing so, which would be the case if he was "blown" up. I doubt he would go into the fight without a plan but all of his encounters he had prior knowledge while manhattan casually is okay with starting of with his normal "blow them up" mentality. I disagree with the statment about the soul stone, we're here to debate what we know not what we assume. Ironically I'm about to make an assumption as well, I don't doubt the reality stone could work on Manhattan but the way Manhattan describes his point of view I doubt illusions would work but again thats just an assumption.

And Manhattan doesn't just blow up people he doesn't know a thing about. If you are going to argue for in character, make sure you aren't using a double standard. If Manhattan started every battle "blowing them up" then Ozy would have never been an issue. Fact is, it doesn't take more than two seconds for Thanos to think "I don't know anything about this guy, I'm using the reality stone to test him out". The difference is, my assumption has support from the movie, your's does not.

I'll try and say it again, the power to wipe out a Universe is amazing but its not as A>B>C thing. Do we need to list fictional characters who can't do that capable of easily beating MCU Thanos?

The point is that Thanos would have zero difficulty destroying Manhattan. Manhattan has shown nothing to support him surviving that type of power.

They're are limits sure but they are still a passive ability that ongoing whereas thanos has to actively use the time stone (in a way he hasn't before), but what does Doctor strange's statement have to do with this fight?

I never mentioned Thanos using the time stone the way Doctor Strange did so I'm not sure why you are bringing that up. The point in talking about Dr Strange was to point out that looking into the future does not guarantee a win.

There is no "could" be argued, it is or it isn't. There is not point to bring up his planning when this is a straight up random fight. If thanos or Manhattan win it will be under a second. This fight will not be drawn out in anyway. All of those durability feats listed are mute. Those are direct physcial attacks, something Manhattan doesn't implore. You think anyone but maybe Doctor Strange could stop doctor Manhattan if he was the villain of Infinity War? I hope you understand this. His durability is irrelevant to this battle. Professor Xavier was just a example. What happens if MCU Thanos goes against someone that turns you to stone with a glance, or a character like ghost rider with the pendace stare? Thanos will be effected and lose any opportunity to sue the gauntlet in the first place.

There absolutely is a "could be argued" when it is not perfectly clear. "Only sith deal in absolutes". There is a point bringing up his planning as it shows how intelligent he is and shows he is smart enough to use the reality stone instantly to test out someone he may not have any knowledge on. The durability feats were to counter what you claimed about people saying that they thought his durability was high because of his mass. That is absolutely false. It doesn't matter here, but you are the one that brought it up, not me. Considering the fact that Manhattan never "blew up" anyone with above human stats, yeah it could very well be argued that he couldn't "blow up" people like Thor and Hulk as well. I wouldn't make the argument myself, but it could be argued. Considering all he has to do is think to use the time stone, the other two examples you brought in wouldn't beat him. Again, "Obviously there are characters that can beat him, he isn't completely invincible, even comic Thanos isn't completely invincible even with the Infinity Gauntlet, but he is very high up there.". You are acting as if I think that Thanos is invincible, when I have told you twice already that I don't.

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#54 Posted by Thanos_thebadas (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanos_thebadas said:
@stormshadow_x said:
@rr79 said:

@stormshadow_x: Going by feats, Thanos has never had to go up against someone with that power. However, he does have the full infinity gauntlet, one of which is the reality stone which allows him to rewrite reality how he wants it. It isn't a stretch to say that Manhattan would not be able to "blow someone up" that can literally rewrite reality. And again, destroying half the life in the universe(because that is what he wanted, not because he was limited to that) is so far above not being able to destroy all the nukes on a single planet it isn't even funny. Again, it's obvious Thanos wins. And again, he could simply use the Time stone to take Manhattan to before he became Manhattan. Or he could use the Reality stone to make Manhattan nothing more than a normal person. Or he could just snap and destroy Manhattan completely.

See I understand the other arguments but what does rewriting realities has to do with being blown up? The infinity gauntlet won't put him back together itself. Lets say We have MCU Thanos with the gauntlet but then comic thanos punches him through his chest.... Despite all that power he can still be physically hurt by something he's not ready for. Why would he even consider the fact that Manhattan could just "blow" him up. He wouldn't without knowledge.

Ok Thanos can wipe out half the universe thats impressive, but people seem to fail to realize as impressive as that is he'd still probably get wrecked by a character like comic Wally West or Silver Surfer both characters who lack that capability.

Every other ability you suggested thanos to do ( such as turning him back to his previous self) Thanos would not do at the start of a fight whereas Manhattan would especially consider he himself can see the future unless something is interfering. He can see every possible way Thanos could beat him and instead of letting it happen he simply blows him up which as I've said Thanos has no defense against.

The issue I'm seeing with Thanos Defenders is they equate his mass power with Durability or the effects of other forms of hax. Thanos can wipe out half a universe is cool but they're are plenty of fictional characters who can't do anything of that calibur and could still beat him. Professor X could mind rape MCU Thanos instantly could he not and last I checked he couldn't do half of what the infinity stones could.

Wow you're wanking so much lmao. Thanos can do the same with the time gem. He just doesn't do it but it's possible since Doctor Strange did it. Manhattan never shown the feat of not being turned into bubbles. I think my grammar slipped there but idc.

Nah its fine, my grammar slips plenty but let me ask you this. Manhattan doesn't simply and its practically a passive ability. Thanos would have to activate it and choose to do it, something he would see no purpose to at the start of a fight.

He is very quick at activating the stones. He activated the space stone to use TK on Loki when he was about to stab him fast af.

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#55 Posted by StormShadow_X (16702 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79: I'm not going to respond to most of that. So in a battle scenario where they both want to beat the other, Manhattan won't blow up Thanos? I think we've reached the conclusion of this, we have separate views and they obviously aren't going to change. No point in running in circles.

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#56 Posted by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79: I'm not going to respond to most of that. So in a battle scenario where they both want to beat the other, Manhattan won't blow up Thanos? I think we've reached the conclusion of this, we have separate views and they obviously aren't going to change. No point in running in circles.

I have no problem agreeing to disagree if that is what you want.

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#57 Edited by Zepta_Pon (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

So much red herrings and all of that don't mean anything in this fight.

It's about who draws faster.

Thanos needs an artifact and that's already a disadvantage against a guy like Manhattan. Thanos also needs to activate the stones first and that's just too long against a guy that can see things so tiny and so fast they hardly ever occur. Manhattan just thinks then Thanos goes poof! No more arm for Thanos, gauntlet falls off, game over.

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#58 Posted by MoTM (1647 posts) - - Show Bio

So much red herrings and all of that don't mean anything in this fight.

It's about who draws faster.

Thanos needs an artifact and that's already a disadvantage against a guy like Manhattan. Thanos also needs to activate the stones first and that's just too long against a guy that can see things so tiny and so fast they hardly ever occur. Manhattan just thinks then poof! Thanos becomes koko krunch. No more arm for Thanos, gauntlet falls off, game over.

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#59 Posted by Supermanforever (8239 posts) - - Show Bio

missmatch, thanos gets rorsharch threatment. There is nothing thanos can do to manhattan from what he has shown in the movie,

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#60 Posted by RedHeathen (2242 posts) - - Show Bio

missmatch, thanos gets rorsharch threatment. There is nothing thanos can do to manhattan from what he has shown in the movie,

^^^ People have listed feats that Thanos can do with stones that Manhattan can do on his own. I don't really understand why there is an issue here. Also imagine hundreds and hundreds of true Manhattans all thinking independently yet sharing knowledge simultaneuously with his abilities and his ability to foresee many mathematical outcomes. Knowing the future when it involves him because he lives in all time simultaneously. I think the Thanos supporters are fully aware of what all Manhattan is capable of. Dr M fans call him god like not because there is no one else to compare him to in his specific series. We call him god like because compared to just about ANY series from anywhere, he truly is close to being a god. Composite version of him, he creates life. He breaks the laws of physics, of the natural world, just by being able to create matter and to create energy. He can easily destroy matter and energy as well. This is a BIG DEAL, and all he needs to do is think about it. Nothing else. I didn't get word back to answers my questions about Thanos IW so I hope someone does so soon. =)

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#63 Posted by Gamer-Guy (3354 posts) - - Show Bio

the guy who's best feat isn't destroying a tank

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#64 Posted by GraniteVision (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

Manhattan ultrastomps Thanos without gauntlet

50/50 with Infinity stones

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#65 Posted by GraniteVision (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember when Dr. Manhatton was the most overhyped feat on CV people used to ask for his tank busting feat. Here it is people. The feat that made people pit him against TOAA

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Manhattan can control matter and energy on quantum level which means that he can ignore durability,strength and he can't be killed.Even f you destroy him he will respawn fom subatomic level and even a litte fraction of his power was able to vaporize multiple cities.

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#66 Edited by Mister_Surreal (10393 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos pauses time and snaps. The reality stone could solo.

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#67 Posted by Abezethibou (840 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos turns him back into a human than punches him.

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#68 Posted by DeChefMan98 (1015 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos wipe him from existence

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#69 Edited by MAZAHS117 (12551 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a trick question, Manhattan can reconstruct himself at an atom scale. He can’t put Thanos down tho either. Stalemate is more likely based on OP rules

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#71 Edited by LEGACY6364 (7441 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr. Manhattan only because Thanos is too timid with his powers.

Also unless Thanos knows of his opponent he'd probably would just try and kill him any normal way. Which would fail.

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#72 Posted by TheInsufferable (2692 posts) - - Show Bio

Manhattan's power is largely dependent on the rules of the universe he's in and on the writer. Johns Manhattan's power levels are vastly different from Moore's. So the answer depends very much on the rules of the fight.

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#73 Posted by Supermanforever (8239 posts) - - Show Bio

manhattan oneshots.

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#74 Edited by Mister_Surreal (10393 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazahs117: Thanos can turn his molecules into lolly pops and eat him. He could then absorb his soul into the soul stone.

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#78 Posted by SmoothSanta (2376 posts) - - Show Bio

Could Soul stone hurt Manhattan?

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#79 Posted by Grand_Fury (43 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos snaps. Or Manhattan snaps. I guess this goes to the one who snaps faster.

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#80 Posted by hudyman (2238 posts) - - Show Bio

Sometimes I genuinely can't understand people on this board.

Let's compare what each character did in the movies; facts not statements.

Infinity War:

- Thanos beat Hulk in H2H (Strength)

- Thanos beat Gamora and her friends(Cannon fodder)

- Thanos has some casual more cannon fodder fights.

- Another thing I'd like to point out. Thanos can ONLY use his powers either by directing or making use of his fingers. He can't just look at someone and then have them die, he actually has to POINT his finger at them.

Watchmen:

- Remade himself from scratch

- Created clones of himself

- Can see the future

- Can see every fabric and atom of the people around him

- Unharmed by anything in the movie

- Can make himself giant

- Can teleport anywhere and anytime at will

- Can kill someone either by looking at them or pointing at them

- Can create what ever he seems to want

ANYONE who thinks that Thanos even has a tiny bit of chance in this is delusional. Manhattan accidentally kills him and takes the gauntlet.

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#81 Posted by depinhom (13506 posts) - - Show Bio

Manhattan.

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#82 Posted by StormKing1221 (1672 posts) - - Show Bio

Can go either way - whoever acts first wins

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#83 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10393 posts) - - Show Bio

@smoothsanta said:

Could Soul stone hurt Manhattan?

I believe so. All the infinity stones were used int the snap, I assume that the soul stone had the role of absorbing everyone's souls. So Thanos may have the ability to simply take Dr. Manhattan's soul. But he there are no feats that prove that it is true.

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#84 Edited by SmoothSanta (2376 posts) - - Show Bio

@mister_surreal: I can't see either putting the other down using reality warping. Perhaps the Soul Stone could work in Thanos favour, or time stone preventing Manhattans accident from ever occurring

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#85 Edited by Mister_Surreal (10393 posts) - - Show Bio

@hudyman said:

Sometimes I genuinely can't understand people on this board.

Let's compare what each character did in the movies; facts not statements.

Infinity War:

- Thanos beat Hulk in H2H (Strength)

- Thanos beat Gamora and her friends(Cannon fodder)

- Thanos has some casual more cannon fodder fights.

- Another thing I'd like to point out. Thanos can ONLY use his powers either by directing or making use of his fingers. He can't just look at someone and then have them die, he actually has to POINT his finger at them.

Watchmen:

- Remade himself from scratch

- Created clones of himself

- Can see the future

- Can see every fabric and atom of the people around him

- Unharmed by anything in the movie

- Can make himself giant

- Can teleport anywhere and anytime at will

- Can kill someone either by looking at them or pointing at them

- Can create what ever he seems to want

ANYONE who thinks that Thanos even has a tiny bit of chance in this is delusional. Manhattan accidentally kills him and takes the gauntlet.

Its funny how you say facts when you overate Dr. Manhattan and don't bring up half of Thanos' feats. Dr. Manhattan has limits to what he is able to alter and create. His powers are based on transmutation, not reality warping. And its a bit hard to be seriously threatened when you are a superhuman in a world of street levelers. As for what you said about Thanos, that was some of the biggest law balling that I have ever seen. Thanos has:

- Tanked blows from Hulk and beat him in a matter of seconds

- Beaten a god to a pulp

- Teleported across the galaxy

- Turned energy projectiles and other weapons in nearly anything that he wanted

- Destroyed barriers to other dimensions

- Created life from inanimate objects

- Tanked a building sized object from falling on him

- Warped the scenery of a planet

- Pulled off parts of a moon and thrown/teleported them at his enemies

- Created a small scale black hole

- Reversed time with ease

- Erased half of the beings in the universe by snapping his fingers

Which of these has Dr. Manhattan done again?

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#86 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10393 posts) - - Show Bio

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@mister_surreal: I can't see either putting the other down using reality warping. Perhaps the Soul Stone could work in Thanos favour, or time stone preventing Manhattans accident from ever occurring

Just side note but Dr. Manhattan doesn't warp reality, he transmutes matter.

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#87 Posted by KingLouie (3392 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch. Manhattan blinks.

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#88 Posted by GraniteVision (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#89 Posted by Amendment50 (15429 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is movie versions then Thanos. If it’s comic versions then probably John.

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#90 Posted by GraniteVision (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is movie versions then Thanos. If it’s comic versions then probably John.

Why?

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#92 Posted by GraniteVision (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

@granitevision: Why on what count?

Movie version of John was very powerful too.He can control matter and energy on quantum level.Can TP and a small fraction of his power can vaporize multiple cities

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#93 Posted by Amendment50 (15429 posts) - - Show Bio

@granitevision: I was asking if you were asking me to clarify my answer about movie versions or comic versions.

Wiping out half of all life in the entire universe is way more drastic scale than the city level destruction seen from John in the Watchmen film

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#94 Posted by deactivated-5bdbf1dc6fdcc (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

Manhattan one shots

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#95 Posted by NiteLite (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos.

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#96 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

Whoever waves their hand the fastest.

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#98 Posted by ourmanuel (11439 posts) - - Show Bio

@geeman2 said:

Whoever waves their hand the fastest.

Lmao, this.

Though I’m sure manhattan should be faster than thanos.

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#99 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7585 posts) - - Show Bio

How did 40% of the votes go to Doctor Manhattan wtf, Thanos stomps.

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#100 Posted by Tony_587 (48 posts) - - Show Bio

Blue