@maulsmacker: This is Sasuke in his Ps, you'll have to show me feats to suggest his Susanoo is the same speed as his actual self. Ichibei could negate his eyes with black he'll have him glancing at the black covering his eyes.
Hmm wait, Iirc, Sasuke in Susanno is slow, so unless the Guards start in Bankai, I could see Ichibei carrying, so he'd need to tag Him with Black to secure the win, other than that, most of the guards are irrelevant tbh.
@maulsmacker: This is Sasuke in his Ps, you'll have to show me feats to suggest his Susanoo is the same speed as his actual self. Ichibei could negate his eyes with black he'll have him glancing at the black covering his eyes.
Nah, Sasuke in EMS with his susanoo outpaced BM Minato who is WAY faster then Sasuke, Itachi's susanoo was made faster then he can move and thus is reacted to kirin while Itachi physically can't and sasuke's susanoo was blitzing Kakashi while physically they were more or less same level, if anything susanoo is way Faster, and Sasuke can just glance, he already showed he is more them willing to do it against bijuu, a glance from Sasuke and Ichibei would be sucking his dick.
Hmm wait, Iirc, Sasuke in Susanno is slow, so unless the Guards start in Bankai, I could see Ichibei carrying, so he'd need to tag Him with Black to secure the win, other than that, most of the guards are irrelevant tbh.
whoever told you Sasuke in susanoo is slow needs to reread Naruto tbh
Hmm wait, Iirc, Sasuke in Susanno is slow, so unless the Guards start in Bankai, I could see Ichibei carrying, so he'd need to tag Him with Black to secure the win, other than that, most of the guards are irrelevant tbh.
whoever told you Sasuke in susanoo is slow needs to reread Naruto tbh
Well damn, in that case, Both should be relative in speed ig. And in the novels, he pretty much used Bankai on Ikomikidomoe to rename him, so he ain't always bonking & whacking people's heads.
@maulsmacker: You're saying a lot of stuff but aren't showing feats. Pls show feats. Being made isn't the same as physically moving the actual construct. Show feats of Sasuke susanoo blitzing Kakashi. Bijuu aren't the same as actual beings.
@maulsmacker: You're saying a lot of stuff but aren't showing feats. Pls show feats. Being made isn't the same as physically moving the actual construct. Show feats of Sasuke susanoo blitzing Kakashi. Bijuu aren't the same as actual beings.
Well I assumed I was debating someone who had some knowledge in Naruto but I guess being clinically illiterate (as in, unknowledgeable about a verse) in the verse that you are, you don't get what I'm referencing, tragic but here it is, Sasuke casually making a susanoo and using the susanoo hand to cover Naruto entirely entire Minato, Sasuke's far superior in speed, can teleport a single gudodama
here is Kakashi saying he cannot physically react to sasuke's susanoo attacks even though he can more then phsyically react to Sasuke's chidori and grab sakura and go out of the way.
so Sasuke can blitz everyone in Bleach except 3 people aka Yhwach, Ichigo and Aizen, and Susanoo is faster than Sasuke by feats, so its pretty clear this team just gets blitzed, tbh Sasuke can solo 99.9% of bleach by just thinking, nothing stops him from just doing this
He just glances and one taps both the Bijuu and the Royal Guard.
@maulsmacker: Cool he manifested a susanoo, that's not a PS actually moving to do something in its full form something lmao. Btw Tobirana also was able to grab the tso before Minato was able too does that mean he's faster than Minato? Also don't forget Minato was able to think something so time is passing by, it's obv Minato reacted slowly to this lmao.
Again it's him shooting an object and not the susanoo actual real combat speed. From what the Op is saying Sasuke is staying in the PS. You're implying that the PS is much faster than Sasuke himself. Then show the PS actually with combat speed blitzing someone who's human size. Sure it can manifest quick but what's that's going to do here when it's already manifested? The susanoo track record against fast characters is pretty bad, Juubito, Kaguya and Jigen shown us that it's very easy to dodge it. They all savagely outpaced them and blocked/dodged their attacks. Another thing is indra Susanoo uses lightning style, we already know real lightning is faster than lightning style.
Anyways Ichibei goes shikia and uses the black in his eyes and hair to remove his power set.
Where tf is this Susano’o being slow nonsense coming from?
There’s so many panels of characters using it attack quicker than they normally could. There’s kakashi blitzing past naruto and sasuke with his PS to grab sakura etc
Nvm that this is literally sasuke’s strongest form and he was zipping around the sky like the energizer bunny.
Cool he manifested a susanoo, that's not a PS actually moving to do something in its full form something lmao.
I know you're unknowledgeable in Naruto but can you like, see? Sasuke's massive ass susanoo arm downright covered naruto in the timeframe
The susanoo hand factually moved way faster than Minato did, I know you like bleach and despise Naruto but atleast have some idea of whats going on on the panel in front of you, your bias has quite literally blinded you.
Btw Tobirana also was able to grab the tso before Minato was able too does that mean he's faster than Minato?
Uhm, Yea this is one of the scenes that show Tobirama is superior to Minato in speed and how fast susanoo can move, Sasuke works instinctively to protect Naruto and his susanoo works very fast, much faster then Sasuke due to him working on instincts (like he did against Juubito one chapter earlier), Tobirama just is faster than Minato.
Also don't forget Minato was able to think something so time is passing by, it's obv Minato reacted slowly to this lmao.
Just because he was able to think something doesn't mean much, thats perception speed, he percieves everything when he is teleporting, Minato didn't just "react slow" when the lives of his son and his own are in danger, he woild have to be an actual imbecile to do that.
Again it's him shooting an object and not the susanoo actual real combat speed. From what the Op is saying Sasuke is staying in the PS. You're implying that the PS is much faster than Sasuke himself. Then show the PS actually with combat speed blitzing someone who's human size.
Ok, Kakashi's susanoo casually blitzed Black Zetsu, Naruto and sasuke all at once, they didn't even understand what they say.
also outpacing those arms wildly which Naruto said were fast, now what? back to usual coping?
Sure it can manifest quick but what's that's going to do here when it's already manifested?
It can manifest and move way faster than Sasuke himself, and that shows us it scales above and thus blitz the hell outta Bleach verse
The susanoo track record against fast characters is pretty bad, Juubito, Kaguya and Jigen shown us that it's very easy to dodge it. They all savagely outpaced them and blocked/dodged their attacks.
, who was way faster? Juubito or Sasuke? Juubito because he literally blitzed Sasuke multiple times, who was faster? Sasuke or Kaguya? Kaguya because she reacted to Naruto and Sasuke from literal cm away like Minato did to raikage, don't care about Minato, in both these instances you can clearly see the characters you used to prove that susanoo is slow are characters who are way faster then Sasuke and would grossly outpace him in a vaccum anyway, and the other thing is, Juubito was able to move FTE to BSM Naruto, he would statue Ichibei and Kaguya would statue the bleach verse.
Anyways Ichibei goes shikia and uses the black in his eyes and hair to remove his power set
"Shikia" lmao, anyway Sasuke blitzes and tirns ichibei into his personal whore, or just obilerates his fatass to nothingness because he is too weak and slow to do anything anyway.
@dertilt: insulting a character doesn’t mean he’s losing to your Emo Boy lol..
Sasuke isn’t doing anything against Ichibei. Ichibei literally cuts his stats in Half than one shots him, turns him into an ant and steps on him, EEs him with Black Ink, seals him away by creating a small planet. Ichibei literally has a thousand ways to win this with his Hax.
I know you're illiterate in Naruto but can you like, see? Sasuke's massive ass susanoo arm downright covered naruto in the timeframe
The susanoo hand factually moved way faster than Minato did, I know you like bleach and despise Naruto but atleast have some idea of whats going on on the panel in front of you, your bias has quite literally blinded you.
He spawned a ribcage with a hand against a person who's right next to him. We already know they able to spawn susanoo really fast, this still isn't a good representation of their actual combat speed.
Uhm, Yea this is one of the scenes that show Tobirama is superior to Minato in speed and how fast susanoo can move, Sasuke works instinctively to protect Naruto and his susanoo works very fast, much faster then Sasuke due to him working on instincts (like he did against Juubito one chapter earlier), Tobirama just is faster than Minato.
I agree with Tobirama being faster than Minato. This only represent that he can spawn it fast though, like you said he did it before against Juubito but he had to run infront of Naruto then spawn it. We seen full form Susanoo with sage mode get dodge/blocked by Juubito casually so we know he's not as fast as Juubito in that form.
Just because he was able to think something doesn't mean much, thats perception speed, he percieves everything when he is teleporting, Minato didn't just "react slow" when the lives of his son and his own are in danger, he woild have to be an actual imbecile to do that.
He did though and alot of ppl like to say he was "daze" bc of a statement from the databook. If you watch the anime you'll see how long it take him to do anything. The tso went from being normal to lighting up and he stood there for a sec before doing anything.
Ok, Kakashi's susanoo casually blitzed Black Zetsu, Naruto and sasuke all at once, they didn't even understand what they say.
also outpacing those arms wildly which Naruto said were fast, now what? back to usual coping?
How was Sasuke and Naruto blitz? They just didn't know it was Kakashi Susanoo but they clearly saw what happened lol. This would be a good feat if those giant hands had some good feat themselves lol. They tried to rush Naruto and Sasuke and a clone was able to get them out the way. Clones should be slower than their real self so yea, cool feat though.
It can manifest and move way faster than Sasuke himself, and that shows us it scales above and thus blitz the fuck outta Bleach verse
Have we ever saw a Susanoo in mid manifest hitting someone? I agree it can manifest fast but its actual full form being fast is a reach lol. We're talking about the full PS heavy ass Susanoo fighting human size targets who are really fast themselves. You're using little instances of its spawning to say it eclipse Sasuke actual combat speed when we need alot of feats of the PS being Sasuke speed in combat with its movement speed and attacks.
who was way faster? Juubito or Sasuke? Juubito because he literally blitzed Sasuke multiple times, who was faster? Sasuke or Kaguya? Kaguya because she reacted to Naruto and Sasuke from literal cm away like Minato did to raikage, don't care about Minato, in both these instances you can clearly see the characters you used to prove that susanoo is slow are characters who are way faster then Sasuke and would grossly outpace him in a vaccum anyway, and the other thing is, Juubito was able to move FTE to BSM Naruto, he would statue Ichibei and Kaguya would statue the bleach verse
So basically you have no actual feats of PS interacting with a human size character and doing good? Sounds like you're the one who's coping. You only have PS going against giant constructs yet you believe its faster than Sasuke in combat speed. Ichibei have crossing the distance of a continent with his shunpo feat that alone good enough to say Sasuke in his PS is not catching him.
"Shikia" lmao, anyway Sasuke blitzes and tirns ichibei into his personal whore, or just obilerates his fatass to nothingness because he is too weak and slow to do anything anyway.
Sasuke couldn't blitz if he wanted too in that big ass slow ass susanoo. again Shikia negate his eyes and gg.
He spawned a ribcage with a hand against a person who's right next to him. We already know they able to spawn susanoo really fast, this still isn't a good representation of their actual combat speed.
No it is, Because susanoo are spawned in one form, the hand clearly moved intentionally in front of Naruto, the idea he simply spawned the susanoo hand in front of Naruto when if that was the case he could've spawned a susanoo around both is fanfic, he spawned a susanoo behind and then made the arm cover Naruto.
I agree with Tobirama being faster than Minato.
So why treat that as a point? this scene decisively proves Tobirama's Superiority to Minato in speed.
This only represent that he can spawn it fast though, like you said he did it before against Juubito but he had to run infront of Naruto then spawn it. We seen full form Susanoo with sage mode get dodge/blocked by Juubito casually so we know he's not as fast as Juubito in that form.
Nobody is as fast as Juubito in any form with maybe the exception of Tobirama, because he can tap on his shoulder, say a sentence and teleport away before Juubito can even counterattack, but yea Juubito is way faster then Sasuke in every sense of the word, he would blitz both base Sasuke and any version pf Sasuke
He did though
Nice, proof of him intentionally reacting slower and sacrificing his son in the process.
and alot of ppl like to say he was "daze" bc of a statement from the databook.
that was after Juubito insulted Minato and kushina, not right now where he is fighting with all he can give
If you watch the anime you'll see how long it take him to do anything.
I've read the manga already, infact I read the war arc ch-610 to 679 few days ago.
The tso went from being normal to lighting up and he stood there for a sec before doing anything.
thats because he was talking to Obito and didn't see the truth seeker orb and the Truth seeker orb light up really fast, doesn't matter tho as this isn't proof of being slower or anything.
How was Sasuke and Naruto blitz? They just didn't know it was Kakashi Susanoo but they clearly saw what happened lol.
Naruto literally commands Sasuke to use teleportation jutsu because Naruto and Sasuke can't reach her in time, the susanoo not only reaches in time, no one even sees the susanoo coming to them, the susanoo grabs sakura before Naruto can move and sasuke can use teleportation jutsu, it disgustingly putfasts them.
This would be a good feat if those giant hands had some good feat themselves lol. They tried to rush Naruto and Sasuke and a clone was able to get them out the way. Clones should be slower than their real self so yea, cool feat though.
Six path Naruto literally calls them super fast, and he would see Ichibei's slow botchass in slow motion.
Have we ever saw a Susanoo in mid manifest hitting someone?
Yea it mid manifesting can't attack someone but your fanfic demands it covers Naruto, more fanfic, rip.
I agree it can manifest fast but its actual full form being fast is a reach lol.
Why is it a reach? because you don't like it? lol I don't give a shit, I already gave a feat of susanoo being way faster in attack speed, movement, creation everything then their casters like Kakashi used susanoo to save Sakura for a reason rather than just running lmao.
We're talking about the full PS heavy ass Susanoo fighting human size targets who are really fast themselves.
Prove that a susanoo has high mass, its the representation of the spiritual and physical energy of someone and is made out of energy, do you assume fire or lightning has stupid mass in fiction so they can't move fast? No? so prove that its heavy, plus thats a stupid logic because by mathematical laws the bigger thing would be faster, thats why a 10,000 feet tall human would run faster than sound to move normally.
You're using little instances of its spawning to say it eclipse Sasuke actual combat speed when we need alot of feats of the PS being Sasuke speed in combat with its movement speed and attacks.
we don't need shit and you're not really in the position to demand anything, I already showed you a susanoo from Kakashi grossly outpacing an attack that was superfast according to Naruto and grabbing sakura out of the way.
So basically you have no actual feats of PS interacting with a human size character and doing good?
Outpacing Naruto and Sasuke grossly, with a susanoo that is far below the susanoo in this gauntlet, its movement have great speed feats, its attack have great speed feats e.t.c. with zero implication that its slower then the caster of it.
Sounds like you're the one who's coping.
your whole online persona is going to Naruto threads to get thrashed by anyone who has read the verse so.
you only have PS going against giant constructs yet you believe its faster than Sasuke in combat speed.
its way faster than Sasuke in combat speed, Kakashi outpaces chidori Sasuke but shits bricks against attacks from Sasuke's susanoo, that alone shows its way faster.
Ichibei have crossing the distance of a continent with his shunpo feat
Shitty travel speed feat, Sasuke gesturing made a Chibaku Tensei move faster and cross a continent distance instantly
that alone good enough to say Sasuke in his PS is not catching him.
Nah, Sasuke Blitzes Ichibei, The susanoo arrow would be so fast entire soul society planet would be completely erased from existence before Ichibei can produce a thought.
Sasuke couldn't blitz if he wanted too in that big ass slow ass susanoo.
Nah, susanoo being slow is some retarded bleacher fanfiction, just another idiotic cope argument by people who can't read
again Shikia negate his eyes and gg.
Nah Sasuke glances and solos the tailed beasts (again) and the royal guards, Ichibei would probably get the honour of being Sasuke's personally apponted jannitor.
@dertilt: insulting a character doesn’t mean he’s losing to your Emo Boy lol..
Sasuke isn’t doing anything against Ichibei. Ichibei literally cuts his stats in Half than one shots him, turns him into an ant and steps on him, EEs him with Black Ink, seals him away by creating a small planet. Ichibei literally has a thousand ways to win this with his Hax.
Cutting his stats in half are still better stats as any Bleach character.
Yhwach getting "turned" into an ant didnt help the bozo to win
Bleach has no EE but whatever
Small Planet lol
Bleach is far to weak to handle Sasuke.Most of Ichibeis tech is NLF anyway
Bleach fans ALWAYS want to downplay, they never give credit where its due, saying PS is slow is so trash cuz it contradicts its showings and was NEVER stated to be slow or slower than the user.... showing wise we have;
> sasuke flying down with his PS to protrct team 7 from IT light
> PS kakashi grabbing sakura
> the very first time sasuke and Naruto were able to tag juubito was with their avatars
> kakashi needing kamui to avoid susano arrow against MS sasuke
Its funny how we (the naruto side) don't downplay like that or call someone like gerrard slow based off of his size because he has actual feats, i don't know why there is need for a downplay here, but its annoying af
OT: sasuke genjutsu'es them, only relevant character is ichibei and he has no counter, so they get turned to satellites.
No it is, Because susanoo are spawned in one form, the hand clearly moved intentionally in front of Naruto, the idea he simply spawned the susanoo hand in front of Naruto when if that was the case he could've spawned a susanoo around both is fanfic, he spawned a susanoo behind and then made the arm cover Naruto.
He did spawn the susanoo hand around Naruto and idk why he didn't spawn a bigger susanoo around them. The Susanoo can spawn in many different ways, in ch577 Itachi spawn the susanoo hand to destroy the wall instead of the ribcage and hand. In 580 Itachi again shown using a Susanoo hand around Sasuke without spawning the ribcage this just shows that its very possible to spawn separate parts of the susanoo.
So why treat that as a point? this scene decisively proves Tobirama's Superiority to Minato in speed.
Well most ppl would say Minato is faster, didn't think you would say that tbh lol. But the main point is Minato at that moment wasn't acting in a fast manner so trying to say that makes Sasuke susanoo fast would be wrong for this specific example.
thats because he was talking to Obito and didn't see the truth seeker orb and the Truth seeker orb light up really fast, doesn't matter tho as this isn't proof of being slower or anything.
Kinda does though, Obito told him to look at his arm. He saw the orb then light up and pause while thinking for a panel or two then started moving his hand.
Naruto literally commands Sasuke to use teleportation jutsu because Naruto and Sasuke can't reach her in time, the susanoo not only reaches in time, no one even sees the susanoo coming to them, the susanoo grabs sakura before Naruto can move and sasuke can use teleportation jutsu, it disgustingly putfasts them.
You do know we can simply say Naruto or Sasuke isn't fast in travel speed right? But I don't wanna have that talk lmao. We don't know if Kakashi started in Susanoo though lol, he could've literally teleported in then popped Susanoo to fly into the air. We simply don't know at that moment what happened. Remember Obito did grab Sasuke fast enough to escape Dismantling jutsu. It's also weird that Kakashi Susanoo was fast enough to do that but then get casually destroyed by a ash bone. Why didn't he evade it if he's moving that fast? Naruto has shown to be able to dodge ash bones. This is what you believe though.
Six path Naruto literally calls them super fast, and he would see Ichibei's slow botchass in slow motion.
He was also the dude who used a clone to dodge them. They clearly aren't faster than Sasuke or Naruto.
Yea it mid manifesting can't attack someone but your fanfic demands it covers Naruto, more fanfic, rip.
So it can only block someone but can't attack someone in mid manifestion. But also you're also saying its still faster than the caster actual combat speed. Btw ch585 We see Itachi and Sasuke spawn Susanoo with hands grab Orochimaru, this means they can attack with Susanoo when its manifesting. In reality in that Itachi n Sasuke vs Kabuto they was doing alot of spawning of Susanoo while its in mid doing something.. Again in that fight While susanoo is being used to attack Kabuto is able to evade their physical movement attacks while he's relative to Sasuke and Itachi in combat speed. Why don't they use full susanoo to attack someone at all times? Btw remember when Madara was using Susanoo on his clones and fighting the Kage? Edo Madara is easily on par with the kages if not faster than them yet when using the susanoo the kages was able to dodge and block alot of their attacks. Granted they was still being overwhelmed but it was 5v1, im pretty sure against Edo Madara by himself theres times when the Susanoo gets countered in that fight.
Why is it a reach? because you don't like it? lol I don't give a shit, I already gave a feat of susanoo being way faster in attack speed, movement, creation everything then their casters like Kakashi used susanoo to save Sakura for a reason rather than just running lmao.
It's a reach bc when seen susanoo multiple times be dodged, block and reacted to with ease. And im talking about the actual susanoo not its manifestion. You used alot of manifestion feats and one feat where we don't know if he swooped in and grabbed or teleported in. We seen Kages block, dodge and use jutsu to evade Susanoo, we seen Juubito, Kabuto, Kaguya, Jigen and Shin dodge susanoo attacks. They have great manifestion speed but it's actual physical movement is rather slow especially against small targets. It's a reason why Jigen said that.
Prove that a susanoo has high mass, its the representation of the spiritual and physical energy of someone and is made out of energy, do you assume fire or lightning has stupid mass in fiction so they can't move fast? No? so prove that its heavy, plus thats a stupid logic because by mathematical laws the bigger thing would be faster, thats why a 10,000 feet tall human would run faster than sound to move normally.
Ch589 When Madara was walking, it destroyed the wood style with its foot, if it didn't have mass that wouldn't have happened not atleast with out some effort i would assume. That's like saying the biju don't have mass bc they made out of chakra too lol and we know they have mass. Both Susanoo and Biju when they fall destroy things. Ch677 When Sasuke lands theres a sound effect for Thoom, you can even see rocks flying up. Susanoo and Bijuu obv carry mass. And by that law if the bigger than the thing is the faster it is, why couldn't Sasuke catch Kaguya, jigen and Juubito? they were much bigger.
its way faster than Sasuke in combat speed, Kakashi outpaces chidori Sasuke but shits bricks against attacks from Sasuke's susanoo, that alone shows its way faster.
Didn't we already have this discussion already? That's not actual combat speed, that susanoo didn't blitz Kakashi with its running speed or something. It shot an arrow from a distance. That's like a dude shooting u with a gun, you wouldn't say he's faster than you. He used a weapon that was quick.
Shitty travel speed feat, Sasuke gesturing made a Chibaku Tensei move faster and cross a continent distance instantly
Who cares about him and the CT? its about the PS speed lol. You just be saying shit and try to make it sound cool.
You def seem super bias though lol. You seem mad and super bias lmao. Now this attack is a planet destroyer but im bias and coping okay lmao. This def my last reply, all in all, We seen multiple ppl dodge manifest susanoo attacks without much problems. This dude believe the manifest susanoo is faster in COMBAT SPEED than the caster which is Rinnegan Sasuke. He also believes the bigger the thing is the faster it should be. We know Kaguya is faster than her bunny form simply by using feats that we saw. Even though we failed to see the bigger forms blitz the kages(they overwhelmed them with numbers), Jigen(he danced on it),Juubito(he did the same),Kaguya(also did that), Shin( dodged i think a sword attack, he should be relative if not slower than Naruto and Sasuke) and Kabuto(casually evaded Sasuke Susanoo hand, relative to Sasuke and Itachi). So if its faster than the user why aren't the susanoo being used to help with ppl faster than the user? especially when the whole bigger it is the faster it is. It should've helped with the speed.
Not sure where this susanoo is slow comes from. While the user should be faster imo it doesn't mean the susanoo is slow.
That aside the bijuu don't even belong here. Sasuke isn't likely to even attempt genjutsu while in susanoo either so not sure why people even argue that (nevermind how a zanpaktuo should release them anyway). Something that's overlooked here is the false reality that senjumaru can create. Sasuke could go around blast the 0 division only for the curtains to rise and he gets one shot. Susanoo also get erased from ichibei casually swinging his shikai. People acting like the 0 division can't do anything here
Fanfiction, he spawned the susanoo which put its hand next to Naruto, you can Literally see it close in lmao, the idea it just spawned that way is just fanfiction you're making that supports your fanfiction of susanoo being slow, but I guess your comicvine account is not much beyond writing fanfic about Naruto on the site that works on facts, quite sad innit?
and idk why he didn't spawn a bigger susanoo around them. The Susanoo can spawn in many different ways, in ch577 Itachi spawn the susanoo hand to destroy the wall instead of the ribcage and hand.
Itachi did that under a certain circumstance, prove that Sasuke did the same thing otherwise you're just assuming shit.
In 580 Itachi again shown using a Susanoo hand around Sasuke without spawning the ribcage this just shows that its very possible to spawn separate parts of the susanoo.
you can summon any part but until you see just a certain part being summoned we've no proof that the susanoo was just made in this position, just the previous chapter was
Well most ppl would say Minato is faster, didn't think you would say that tbh lol.
Ah shitty Hipfiring and assuming what is about to happen.
But the main point is Minato at that moment wasn't acting in a fast manner
You don't get to dictate what "fast manner" Minato reacted and moved as fast as he phsyically can.
so trying to say that makes Sasuke susanoo fast would be wrong for this specific example.
Nah, you've just said random crap, Minato is acting slow, why? because sasuke's susanoo and Tobirama moved faster, maybe Sasuke was faster for a split second and Tobirama is, in general, faster?
Kinda does though, Obito told him to look at his arm. He saw the orb then light up and pause while thinking for a panel or two then started moving his hand.
he paused in that panel because no time passed in that panel, he had no reason to pause, he noticed and was about to teleport away the Truth seeker orb, that panel happened because
You do know we can simply say Naruto or Sasuke isn't fast in travel speed right?
No lmao, we can't because travel speed is not here, they are not travelling, they're moving at top speed in combat, their combat speed is FTL+ yet Kakashi susanoo is so much faster it can grab Sakura before Sasuke can teleport
But I don't wanna have that talk lmao. We don't know if Kakashi started in Susanoo though lol, he could've literally teleported in then popped Susanoo to fly into the air. We simply don't know at that moment what happened. Remember Obito did grab Sasuke fast enough to escape Dismantling jutsu.
Sasuke wasn't able to use Amenotejikara, Kakashi didn't teleport, his susanoo was flying not made on ground until you think Kakashi teleported to air and somehow just defied Gravity, its clear what happened, he made a perfect Susanoo and flew and grabbed sakura before Naruto and Sasuke can do anything, before Sasuke can even activate his Teleportation jutsu.
It's also weird that Kakashi Susanoo was fast enough to do that but then get casually destroyed by a ash bone. Why didn't he evade it if he's moving that fast? Naruto has shown to be able to dodge ash bones. This is what you believe though.
kakashi tried to use the susanoo to tank the ashbone, he never tried to dodge the ashbone or anything like that
He was also the dude who used a clone to dodge them. They clearly aren't faster than Sasuke or Naruto.
Clones are fast enough to do crazy shit, lmao the Tobirama that outpaced Minato in the scan you're debating was quite literally a clone
So it can only block someone but can't attack someone in mid manifestion. But also you're also saying its still faster than the caster actual combat speed. Btw ch585 We see Itachi and Sasuke spawn Susanoo with hands grab Orochimaru, this means they can attack with Susanoo when its manifesting. In reality in that Itachi n Sasuke vs Kabuto they was doing alot of spawning of Susanoo while its in mid doing something..
Yea, I remember the Orochimaru thing where itachi casually statued Orochimaru with the susanoo when they were both big and Orochimaru didn't have the advantage of being slow and harder to hit....while Itachi himself does not have the taijutsu or phsyical stats to even blitz a Sasuke who was not even remotely close to Orochimaru's level at that point, nice you remind me of another instance where susanoo is clearly way faster then the user.
Again in that fight While susanoo is being used to attack Kabuto is able to evade their physical movement attacks while he's relative to Sasuke and Itachi in combat speed. Why don't they use full susanoo to attack someone at all times?
what an idiotic question, The susanoo is massive, the susanoo is faster but not massively so at this point, Kabuto keeps a great distance to the susanoo and evades it as well as having massive target points so that he can keep track easier.
Btw remember when Madara was using Susanoo on his clones and fighting the Kage? Edo Madara is easily on par with the kages if not faster than them yet when using the susanoo the kages was able to dodge and block alot of their attacks. Granted they was still being overwhelmed but it was 5v1, im pretty sure against Edo Madara by himself theres times when the Susanoo gets countered in that fight.
What an utterly insane argument, Madara was holding back in that fight massively, he made 25 wood clones, each clone would be at best 1/25 of Madara's original power and they weren't even trying either, he made them use the most basic susanoo of them all and even then he won comfortably, you're using a not trying holding back Madara's 1/25 wood clones as basis for why susanoo isn't fast? lmao, Madara wasn't trying blitzing even when the kage and him were alone and there were no clones, let alone now.
It's a reach bc when seen susanoo multiple times be dodged, block and reacted to with ease.
Oh so Sasuke being fast must also be a reach because we've seen multiple times that he can be dodged, blocked or countered? any character can be dodged, blocked and countered.
And im talking about the actual susanoo not its manifestion.
Prove the manifestation is faster than the actual susanoo
You used alot of manifestion feats and one feat where we don't know if he swooped in and grabbed or teleported in.
we know he swooped in and grabber her, he was literally flying lmao and it don't matter because Sasuke's susanoo arrow can blitz someone faster then him, Indra's arrow would vaporize everyone here
We seen Kages block, dodge and use jutsu to evade Susanoo, we seen Juubito, Kabuto, Kaguya, Jigen and Shin dodge susanoo attacks. They have great manifestion speed but it's actual physical movement is rather slow especially against small targets. It's a reason why Jigen said that.
Jigen said that because he was far superior to Naruto and Sasuke in Borutoera and thus he said it, its strong but slow compared to him and thus he was capable of breaking it apart with a single kick, sure characters have evaded it, when the characters are all way faster than Naruto and sasuke and are now tougher targets because of being small Kaguya reacted to it.
Ch589 When Madara was walking, it destroyed the wood style with its foot, if it didn't have mass that wouldn't have happened not atleast with out some effort i would assume. That's like saying the biju don't have mass bc they made out of chakra too lol and we know they have mass. Both Susanoo and Biju when they fall destroy things. Ch677 When Sasuke lands theres a sound effect for Thoom, you can even see rocks flying up. Susanoo and Bijuu obv carry mass.
Irrelevant, quantify the mass, give me the exact kilogram and explain how that mass would somehow slow down the susanoo otherwise this is just more fanfiction, ofcourse it can have mass, give me the exact density and the scientific theorem that says the speed would decrease because it's big and that it would be slow even though it has zero speed anti feats or statements saying that it's slower than the caster, you're simply making shit up because everytime susanoo gets anything to do with speed, it does awesome shit
And by that law if the bigger than the thing is the faster it is, why couldn't Sasuke catch Kaguya, jigen and Juubito? they were much bigger.
Because Kaguya, Jigen and Juubito were first way faster than Sasuke was and now they would become tougher targets even if Sasuke in susanoo can fly faster then them.
Didn't we already have this discussion already? That's not actual combat speed, that susanoo didn't blitz Kakashi with its running speed or something. It shot an arrow from a distance. That's like a dude shooting u with a gun, you wouldn't say he's faster than you. He used a weapon that was quick.
The weapon is made out of the exact same energy the rest of the susanoo is made out of, Sasuke's chidori amps his speed hard and Kakashi outpaced it, The arrow almost blitzed Kakashi, an Indra's arrow would vaporize anyone in Bleach and Naruto other then like the absolute god tiers, he can literally just fire an Indra arrow in this susanoo and everyone on the other team would immediately die.
Who cares about him and the CT? its about the PS speed lol.
PS speed>>>CT speed, obvious, Sasuke's susanoo were statuing madara's CT meteors and Madara is>>>>Sasuke so his CT would be way faster.
You just be saying shit and try to make it sound cool.
bro confused me with himself
You def seem super bias though lol. You seem mad and super bias lmao. Now this attack is a planet destroyer but im bias and coping okay lmao.
are you okay? seems like you need a break, Ichibei is moon level in AP, Sasuke is large planet, Sasuke blitzes him with indra arrow which destroys the soul society planet and the shockwave would kill Ichibei
This def my last reply, all in all, We seen multiple ppl dodge manifest susanoo attacks without much problems. This dude believe the manifest susanoo is faster in COMBAT SPEED than the caster which is Rinnegan Sasuke.
Surprising, the multiple people in all this context are all faster and stronger than Sasuke, the susanoo is also faster and stronger than Sasuke is but not enough tocatch things way faster then his caster and outpace them, also Sasuke blitzed danzou with susanoo multiple times who can react to base Sasuke.
He also believes the bigger the thing is the faster it should be.
No lmao, I never said that, you said things should be slower if they're bigger, unicron the slowest character in fiction by your "logic"
We know Kaguya is faster than her bunny form simply by using feats that we saw.
We know Kaguya is faster because the bunny is the result of instability of power, ofcourse a stable Kaguya is faster and stronger then her unstable form, Take ten tails, way bigger and heavier then susanoo, yet blitzed susanoo level BM Naruto with ease
Even though we failed to see the bigger forms blitz the kages(they overwhelmed them with numbers),
What an utterly insane argument, Madara was holding back in that fight massively, he made 25 wood clones, each clone would be at best 1/25 of Madara's original power and they weren't even trying either, he made them use the most basic susanoo of them all and even then he won comfortably, you're using a not trying holding back Madara's 1/25 wood clones as basis for why susanoo isn't fast? lmao, Madara wasn't trying blitzing even when the kage and him were alone and there were no clones, let alone now.
Jigen(he danced on it),
he was way faster then Sasuke
Juubito(he did the same),
he was way faster then Sasuke and was FTE to BSM Naruto
Kaguya(also did that),
Kaguya is way faster then Sasuke, literally reacted to his top speed from few cm, like Minato vs raikage gap.
Shin( dodged i think a sword attack, he should be relative if not slower than Naruto and Sasuke)
Boruto Sasuke is below his part 1 version so fodder
and Kabuto(casually evaded Sasuke Susanoo hand, relative to Sasuke and Itachi). So if its faster than the user why aren't the susanoo being used to help with ppl faster
because they are smaller and it becomes harder to hit them, also not like Kabuto was consistently using stealth and keeping a distance in the fight, also not like Sasuke and Itachi were holding back because they didn't intend to him, and not like Kabuto killed itachi thrice
than the user? especially when the whole bigger it is the faster it is. It should've helped with the speed.
you argued its slower because bigger, not me, don't deflect that to me lmao, I just told you that maths and common sense doesn't agree with your bigger = automatically slower logic.
Hey, better then being a FT wanker, also in the latter I'm unbeaten, or untouched, so...and I don't see my Naruto arguments countered by you either so keep your cheap jabs to yourself.
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