Immortal Hulk vs Immortal Thor

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They are long standing rivals with the Immortal adjective written by the same writer. Immortal Hulk vs Immortal Hulk clash!

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Odin Force Thor, Hulk has no chance

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Hulk dies

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Odin Force Thor already encountered a weaker Devil Hulk with the Avengers and he didn't really do a whole lot worthwhile.

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Don't know what this Thor would do against this hulk.

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@xd_ist said:

Odin Force Thor, Hulk has no chance

They fought 3 times already(2 times Thor had a whole team backing him) it ended in a stalemate every time with one time Thor almost dying if not for his teammates saving him.

Where does this Hulk has no chance come from?

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#8  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator

Thor when he's written competently would stomp but nowadays he would likely job and the fight would be 50/50.

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#9  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator
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Odin Force Thor already encountered a weaker Devil Hulk with the Avengers and he didn't really do a whole lot worthwhile.

Cosmic powered Hulk (not sure how he was weaker) + Thor didn't have the OF in full yet.

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#10  Edited By ProfessorRespect  Online
@takenstew22 said:
@professorrespect said:

Odin Force Thor already encountered a weaker Devil Hulk with the Avengers and he didn't really do a whole lot worthwhile.

Cosmic powered Fixit + Thor didn't have the full OF yet.

Goofy ahh Stew again, Fixit needed that energy due to being drained to almost nothing. All it did was balance out his power levels

At this point the excuse of "Thor didn't have full OF unlocked" doesn't work when he's underperformed so much, now they have guys like Reed looking for Hulk to defeat Thanos instead of Thor lol. I don't blame em

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#11  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator
@professorrespect said:

Goofy ahh Stew again, Fixit needed that energy due to being drained to almost nothing. All it did was balance out his power levels

How was he weaker then? Nothing specified that. If anything he was stronger.

At this point the excuse of "Thor didn't have full OF unlocked" doesn't work when he's underperformed so much, now they have guys like Reed looking for Hulk to defeat Thanos instead of Thor lol. I don't blame em

It's not an excuse though? Odin gave Thor the OF in full later on after he died. Spaceship Hulk was the one that fought the full OF Thor. Thor has always jobbed with the OF, but it's still important context.

Also Thor ain't going after Thanos cause he's currently fighting an elder god etc.

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@professorrespect said:

Goofy ahh Stew again, Fixit needed that energy due to being drained to almost nothing. All it did was balance out his power levels

How was he weaker then? Nothing specified that. If anything he was stronger

How is Fixit Hulk w/ X-Ray radiation stronger than Devil or Savage? Ehh? Goofy ahh logic striking hard

At this point the excuse of "Thor didn't have full OF unlocked" doesn't work when he's underperformed so much, now they have guys like Reed looking for Hulk to defeat Thanos instead of Thor lol. I don't blame em

It's not an excuse though

It really is at this point lol. "oh he didn't have the full OF" right after he seemingly gets in and he's still struggling with stuff he shouldn't at seemingly full power.

Also Thor ain't going after Thanos cause he's currently fighting an elder god

Reed didn't even consider him before Hulk lol. That says a lot about his "full OF" super strength being an actual issue etc

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#14  Edited By Underfire47
@takenstew22 said:
@professorrespect said:

Goofy ahh Stew again, Fixit needed that energy due to being drained to almost nothing. All it did was balance out his power levels

How was he weaker then? Nothing specified that. If anything he was stronger.

At this point the excuse of "Thor didn't have full OF unlocked" doesn't work when he's underperformed so much, now they have guys like Reed looking for Hulk to defeat Thanos instead of Thor lol. I don't blame em

It's not an excuse though? Odin gave Thor the OF in full later on after he died. Spaceship Hulk was the one that fought the full OF Thor. Thor has always jobbed with the OF, but it's still important context.

Also Thor ain't going after Thanos cause he's currently fighting an elder god etc.

Fixit literally tells us that the cosmic radation he absorbed made him as strong as he was, not that he was stronger than before.

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If anything you can make the argument that he wasn't as strong as gamma radiation Hulk, because not only did he fail to bust through a wall that Savage Hulk did

He got mangled more from Savage Hulks fists than he did from Thors hammer or anyone elses attacks really

If you asked me years ago would Hulk vs OF Thor be a fight i would say no chance, OF Thor would stomp him. But given everything that has happened over the years i no longer believe that since OF Thor seems to just be a slightly more powerful Thor. And modern Hulk is a slightly more powerful Hulk than what we had pre-Greg Pak so really it balances itself out.

Also Thor ain't going after Thanos cause he's currently fighting an elder god etc

Also i wanna address this specifically since it's something that matters to other comics as well. Who Thor is facing in his comic is IRRELEVANT. Time and time again, other comics completely ignore what the character they have guest star is doing. You say Thor is currently fighting an Elder god but he is also currently fighting other characters in Avengers, he also briefly appeared in a X-men comic this week fighting random space ships, etc... I am sure he appeared in other stuff in the last few months as well.

I dunno why this has anything to do with anything. Current Hulk is being hunted down by a Primordial God and is fighting all kinds of monsters and yet at the same time he appeared in a Wolverine comic, a She-Hulk comic, a Halloween special comic and is soon to appear in a Blade comic, all 4 of which completely ignore his plot of being hunted to just introduce him in their story for whatever reason(to boost their own sales).

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@takenstew22: Hulk when he’s written competently would grow and grow and grow until he quickly eclipses Thor, who has a limit on how strong he can be.

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#16  Edited By rajjarsalt
@the_hajduk said:

@takenstew22: Hulk when he’s written competently would grow and grow and grow until he quickly eclipses Thor, who has a limit on how strong he can be.

Are you saying Hulk's limit is being written competently?

OT: Specifically Immortal Thor feats? Odin-Storm and Thor calls it a day.

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#17  Edited By rajjarsalt
@professorrespect said:
@takenstew22 said:
@professorrespect said:

Goofy ahh Stew again, Fixit needed that energy due to being drained to almost nothing. All it did was balance out his power levels

How was he weaker then? Nothing specified that. If anything he was stronger

How is Fixit Hulk w/ X-Ray radiation stronger than Devil or Savage? Ehh? Goofy ahh logic striking hard

At this point the excuse of "Thor didn't have full OF unlocked" doesn't work when he's underperformed so much, now they have guys like Reed looking for Hulk to defeat Thanos instead of Thor lol. I don't blame em

It's not an excuse though

It really is at this point lol. "oh he didn't have the full OF" right after he seemingly gets in and he's still struggling with stuff he shouldn't at seemingly full power.

Also Thor ain't going after Thanos cause he's currently fighting an elder god

Reed didn't even consider him before Hulk lol. That says a lot about his "full OF" super strength being an actual issue etc

Who gives two $hits about Mr Elastic? Thor is Thanos level because he fought Thanos and looked to be evenly matched. End of story

OF jobbing is true but canon, latest Ewing retcon is that it is used seldom and sparingly, and I recall three specific instances where it is used Thor suffers visible exhaustion

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Oh and just to emphasis how OF Thor is not above Hulk as some may think. Sometime next year we are gonna have Avengers fight the Hulk again, so unless they completely mop the floor with him, a lot of people are going to have to come to grips with the fact that OF Thor is either just a complete jobber or he isn't all he is made up to be.

INB4 some people say "Well AKCHUALLY he did this amazing thing this one time" great, so has regular Thor and Hulk and Superman and Captain Marvel and Thing and Wolverine and Spiderman, etc... all of them preform at their average level 98% of the time until they do something way over the top because they got super angry or they utilized the power of love/friendship or the writer just felt like it in that moment. That doesn't change anything, how a character preforms consistently at their best is how we should treat them.

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@rajjarsalt: Hulk's gonna be Thanos level as well if the current writing serves lol. They're building him up as the big game changer against the guy

OF jobbing being canon is even worse given it's supposed to boost your stats anyway without needing to be invoked etc

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#20  Edited By BigBaby  Online

@underfire47:

Oh and just to emphasis how OF Thor is not above Hulk as some may think. Sometime next year we are gonna have Avengers fight the Hulk again, so unless they completely mop the floor with him, a lot of people are going to have to come to grips with the fact that OF Thor is either just a complete jobber or he isn't all he is made up to be.

Where did they announce The Avengers are going to fight Hulk?

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Raj coping hard for Thor as usual. OF Thor(full power or not) hasn't done a single thing regular Thor hasn't done and he still jobs harder than his regular base level. IM Hulk already stomped him to near death even when OF Thor has the whole Avengers at his back. End of story.

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@rajjarsalt: Hulk's gonna be Thanos level as well if the current writing serves lol. They're building him up as the big game changer against the guy

OF jobbing being canon is even worse given it's supposed to boost your stats anyway without needing to be invoked etc

Yeah and then issue #3 happens

Given Thor's always had to invoke the OF even prior to having it, it's not unreasonable that he does it again in modern times.

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Raj coping hard for Thor as usual. OF Thor(full power or not) hasn't done a single thing regular Thor hasn't done and he still jobs harder than his regular base level. IM Hulk already stomped him to near death even when OF Thor has the whole Avengers at his back. End of story.

You don't know anything dumba$$

Thor within his first ten minutes of getting the Odin Force did something regular Thor has never done in the entirety of his fictional career

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@bigbaby said:

@underfire47:

Oh and just to emphasis how OF Thor is not above Hulk as some may think. Sometime next year we are gonna have Avengers fight the Hulk again, so unless they completely mop the floor with him, a lot of people are going to have to come to grips with the fact that OF Thor is either just a complete jobber or he isn't all he is made up to be.

Where did they announce The Avengers are going to fight Hulk?

The current writer of Hulk answered it in a youtube interview he did. He was asked about this line with Stark

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if the Avengers are gonna confront the Hulk and he said it's coming. He also promised other stuff like Hulk fighting Mangog and Demigorge, etc...

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#25  Edited By onsipin

Will a God Blast defeat Hulk? Is that something he can still do

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I will take hulk breaking his face again with 3 punches since Thor is worthy & allfather now unlike b4 when he was unworthy.

In theory, Thor should stomp hulk cuz he's all allfather with the complete Odin Force meaning Thor should be equal to Odin in power atleast. But, since Thor become worthy & allfather, he's being pathetic with no good showing outside of the Black Winter Arc & King in Black. Storm hurted & made him bleed in the last issue, I don't see storm doing the same to base hulk let alone Immortal Hulk.

In the avengers, he's struggling with somethings qa Odin as allfather wouldn't even notice. He's allfather but needs the help of BRB, Storm, Jane & loki to take on utgurd Thor, I mean what are these 4 going to do when the Odin Force failed. In the avengers new issue, full Odin force Thor will struggle with Kang level characters the way it seems.

Thor became worthy just to become punching bag for everyone. It's pathetic really.

Also Reed didn't call Thor because Thor isn't apart of the defenders but hulk is

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@lukude6: I think Ewing said he's still getting the hang of it as of Immortal Thor. Still I wouldn't discount the whole deal with the Utgard gods. Remember Those Who Sit Above in Shadow? The black speech bubbles, Utgard being the shadow lands, the whole "gods who sit above gods" shtick. Not quite RKT level for Thor but still very impressive imo

I disagree with "no good showings outside of KiB and Cosmic Thor." It's not brawling with cosmic beings that is his only shot at being the strongest of the standard characters. There are feats like igniting Nidavellir, dwarven forge of a billion suns, with a golden energy blast, or shattering a large dimension with hammer strikes. Speaking of the hammer, there is melting a strong duplicate of Mjolnir with a spiked energy ball, or reforging Mjolnir, making it stronger than ever (despite it having no power before) with a divine storm.

Like sure he jobs but that's not the same thing as saying his feats are a$$. Without good feats, it wouldn't even be jobbing in the first place.

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#29  Edited By rajjarsalt
@onsipin said:

Will a God Blast defeat Hulk? Is that something he can still do

Aye, he can still do it. His Godblast is > Galactus level - this iteration is said to be an AoE derived from the rage of the gods before him.

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@onsipin said:

Will a God Blast defeat Hulk? Is that something he can still do

Energy attacks dont seem to be as effective on Hulk as concussive force, even when they blow holes in him or parts of his body, hell he was once completely vaporized by an explosion from the inside and came back right after like nothing happened.

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#31  Edited By rajjarsalt
@underfire47 said:
@onsipin said:

Will a God Blast defeat Hulk? Is that something he can still do

Energy attacks dont seem to be as effective on Hulk as concussive force, even when they blow holes in him or parts of his body, hell he was once completely vaporized by an explosion from the inside and came back right after like nothing happened.

Yeah this is true

Hulk's regeneration and/or rebirth logistically removes a win condition then Thor would have to use the God-Blast's ability to remove immortality

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Reed didn't even consider him before Hulk lol. That says a lot about his "full OF" super strength being an actual issue etc

Is this about Hulk fighting Thanos in Thanos #2 or a completely different instance?

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@underfire47 said:
@onsipin said:

Will a God Blast defeat Hulk? Is that something he can still do

Energy attacks dont seem to be as effective on Hulk as concussive force, even when they blow holes in him or parts of his body, hell he was once completely vaporized by an explosion from the inside and came back right after like nothing happened.

Yeah this is true

Hulk's regeneration and/or rebirth logistically removes a win condition then Thor would have to use the God-Blast's ability to remove immortality

Since when God-Blast removes immortality?

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With how poorly written Thor’s power is nowadays he probably gets his ass kicked and falls asleep mid fight cuz OF or whatever

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Raj coping hard for Thor as usual. OF Thor(full power or not) hasn't done a single thing regular Thor hasn't done and he still jobs harder than his regular base level. IM Hulk already stomped him to near death even when OF Thor has the whole Avengers at his back. End of story.

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With how poorly written Thor’s power is nowadays he probably gets his ass kicked and falls asleep mid fight cuz OF or whatever

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@lukude6: I think Ewing said he's still getting the hang of it as of Immortal Thor. Still I wouldn't discount the whole deal with the Utgard gods. Remember Those Who Sit Above in Shadow? The black speech bubbles, Utgard being the shadow lands, the whole "gods who sit above gods" shtick. Not quite RKT level for Thor but still very impressive imo

OK 👍.

I disagree with "no good showings outside of KiB and Cosmic Thor." It's not brawling with cosmic beings that is his only shot at being the strongest of the standard characters.

You might disagree but Thor still has no good impressive feats outside of these 2 arcs & Aaron King Thor. Even, when he went back in time to save Hela, he got zero impressive feat. Immortal Thor might give him good ones in the future but now hes lacking

There are feats like igniting Nidavellir, dwarven forge of a billion suns, with a golden energy blast, or shattering a large dimension with hammer strikes.

Re-igniting Nidavellir is great but it's not fighting feat that can be counted. Also, when did he shatter dimensions, never seen it.

Speaking of the hammer, there is melting a strong duplicate of Mjolnir with a spiked energy ball,

He needed Venoms help to face Bedlam's child, so destroying the hammer was good but he struggled with the Darkoth possessed by Bedlam while he was on Asgard & had access to full OF, it was pathetic.

or reforging Mjolnir, making it stronger than ever (despite it having no power before) with a divine storm.

This was really good feat & the only time Thor used the OF proper. It was time manipulation as I understood cuz Sif said to Thor you turned the wheel of fate so I understood as Thor turning time back to when Mjolnir was not damaged or corrupted.

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Like sure he jobs but that's not the same thing as saying his feats are a$$. Without good feats, it wouldn't even be jobbing in the first place.

He jobs a lot to the extent I no longer consider him to be a threat to Iron man & Carol denvers let alone the Hulk or Superman. What makes it worse is that he has the full OF while he jobs to Kang level characters.

I like Thor but Thor never had good showings since Aaron King Thor, KiB & Black Winter Arc.

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#42  Edited By twrtwrtw
@takenstew22 said:
@professorrespect said:

Goofy ahh Stew again, Fixit needed that energy due to being drained to almost nothing. All it did was balance out his power levels

How was he weaker then? Nothing specified that. If anything he was stronger.

Ewing already explained his view regarding on how the Hulk's power work:

Devil Hulk even said that he's stronger than Savage Hulk during the night:

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While he obviously depicted Savage Hulk as stronger than Joe:

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#43  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator
@twrtwrtw said:
@takenstew22 said:
@professorrespect said:

Goofy ahh Stew again, Fixit needed that energy due to being drained to almost nothing. All it did was balance out his power levels

How was he weaker then? Nothing specified that. If anything he was stronger.

Ewing already explained his view regarding on how the Hulk's power work:

Devil Hulk even said that he's stronger than Savage Hulk during the night:

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While he obviously depicted Savage Hulk as stronger than Joe:

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I thought there was something going on with Fixit before they went to the below place for the final time to face Leader because it seemed like he was in possession of Savage Hulk's body when he fought the U-Foes. He became the new Red Hulk and when he took over for Savage Hulk I assume he also gained some of Rulk's power aswell. A combination of the two Hulk's strength. And he separated that power when he came back to face Leader with Savage. It made the most sense for me as to why he was able to face Thor like that.

Also, when cosmic ray Hulk went through the portal into the below place this happened.

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I’m sorry Reed what now? Scans pls or issue #

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@takenstew22: Fixit was weakened previously because he had basically no gamma left after being separated from Bruce. He got pumped back up by cosmic rays instead of Gamma against the U-Foes. That was fundamentally the only difference. He was about as strong as regular Devil Hulk based on multiple comments from himself and Black Panther.

A pissed off Savage Hulk was pretty consistently potrayed as stronger than either Fixit or Devil regardless of the power source.

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I thought there was something going on with Fixit before they went to the below place for the final time to face Leader because it seemed like he was in possession of Savage Hulk's body when he fought the U-Foes. He became the new Red Hulk and when he took over for Savage Hulk I assume he also gained some of Rulk's power aswell. A combination of the two Hulk's strength. And he separated that power when he came back to face Leader with Savage. It made the most sense for me as to why he was able to face Thor like that.

Also, when cosmic ray Hulk went through the portal into the below place this happened.

I thought the same as well at first, and tbh, I think that if Immortal Hulk wasn't cut short this new Hulk would've been better elaborated. Basically, Cosmic Ray Joe was not the same type of Red Hulk as Ross.

In the original Red Hulk run, Ross's Rulk was created through a combination of Gamma and Cosmic radiation, granting him different powers such as energy absorption and heat emission. Ewing acknowledged this in Immortal Hulk #34:

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But in Immortal Hulk #50 it's revealed that Joe became a Hulk without any Gamma on him, a "Cosmic Ray Hulk".

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He's as strong as he has ever been and, seemely, had the same powers as ever:

Supposedly, when Joe went to fight the U-Foes, he hulked out with whatever types of energy he had at the time, which lead to another combination of Cosmic and Gamma rays.

As for Savage and Joe separating, it was due to Leader changing the rules:

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Which is why human Joe and Savage where also separeted when Joe got the cosmic rays.

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@takenstew22: Fixit was weakened previously because he had basically no gamma left after being separated from Bruce. He got pumped back up by cosmic rays instead of Gamma against the U-Foes. That was fundamentally the only difference. He was about as strong as regular Devil Hulk based on multiple comments from himself and Black Panther.

A pissed off Savage Hulk was pretty consistently potrayed as stronger than either Fixit or Devil regardless of the power source.

Huh?

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@underfire47 said:
@onsipin said:

Will a God Blast defeat Hulk? Is that something he can still do

Energy attacks dont seem to be as effective on Hulk as concussive force, even when they blow holes in him or parts of his body, hell he was once completely vaporized by an explosion from the inside and came back right after like nothing happened.

Yeah this is true

Hulk's regeneration and/or rebirth logistically removes a win condition then Thor would have to use the God-Blast's ability to remove immortality

Thor cant remove Hulks immortality. The power for that would have to literally trump that of TOBA and there is no power in Marvel that can do that, except for TOAA who is just the other side of TOBA. Not even Mother of Horror can and she is the progenitor of Earths primordial deities like Thors mother...

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@rajjarsalt said:
@underfire47 said:
@onsipin said:

Will a God Blast defeat Hulk? Is that something he can still do

Energy attacks dont seem to be as effective on Hulk as concussive force, even when they blow holes in him or parts of his body, hell he was once completely vaporized by an explosion from the inside and came back right after like nothing happened.

Yeah this is true

Hulk's regeneration and/or rebirth logistically removes a win condition then Thor would have to use the God-Blast's ability to remove immortality

Thor cant remove Hulks immortality. The power for that would have to literally trump that of TOBA and there is no power in Marvel that can do that, except for TOAA who is just the other side of TOBA. Not even Mother of Horror can and she is the progenitor of Earths primordial deities like Thors mother...

How can it remove the Hulk's immortality if it couldn't even do anything to the far lesser Juggernaut's enchantments when he was hit by it etc