Immortal Hulk VERSUS The Worthy

Immortal Hulk

VERSUS

The Worthy

Nul solos

Kuurth solos

@apex_pretador: Nul doesn't solo.

@illuminated: hulk + hammer > hulk

@apex_pretador: a weaker Hulk + hammer that Hulk already broke with his bare hands < a more powerful version of Hulk.

Funny how context and feats matter more than assumptions, next thing you will tell me is Uni-powered Hulk > regular Hulk.

@illuminated: wwh is weaker hulk? And what does hulk breaking hammer has do with anything?

False equivalency

The Worthy win. Kuurth is the MVP though.

Kuurth solos.

@apex_pretador: That wasn't WWH, dont be ridiculous lol. Hulk can break the hammer it's not a threat to him.

No it's called an analogy, we debate characters based on feats, not on hype and assumptions.

@illuminated: green scar picked up the hammer. "Don't be ridiculous"

Nul breaking the hammer doesn't mean hulk can, since nup > hulk, and even if hulk could, it doesn't mean it's not a threat to him

False equivalency, since uni-power was weakened and was pre core breach hulk. You do just a fine job ignoring the context

By feats, the hammer amped everyone and Thor admitted he can't beat nul while going all out for the kill. That's better than overpowering non-aaron Jane and herc

@apex_pretador: Green Scar isn't WWH, WWH was a specifically angry version of Green Scar, again stop being ridiculous. And if anything Immortal Hulk is at least as powerful as WWH with a bit better durability.

Nope, Nul did nothing that makes him above regular Hulk, in fact i would argue that being worthy decreased his power since it restricted the one attribute that does make him more powerful, his anger. It's still not a threat to him, whats Nuls striking feats with the hammer?

You have problems reading i see. Even if Uni-power is weakened it doesn't take away from the fact that it's still an amp, second i said REGULAR Hulk, go back and read. Let me cut it short for you since you are not getting it, my entire point with that is that we debate based on FEATS. Uni-power Hulk did jack shit so by feats he doesn't even beat pre-core breach Grey Hulk actually. Which is exactly my point with Nul Hulk who barely did anything and the things he did have already been replicated by other versions of Hulk, he literally did NOTHING to put him above Immortal Hulk.

Hulk is not everyone and you have still to give me an example of what Nul did that other versions of Hulk can't or havent done. Thor admitted he could NEVER beat Hulk, he wasn't exclusively talking about this version of Hulk, which is kinda true since Thor went for the kill against other versions of Hulk on at least 3 other separate occasions with the same result.

Still not better than all the things Immortal Hulk did and is about to do in the next issue, but i will wait for that issue to come out first before making assumptions.

@illuminated: by feats immortal hulk did nothing which compares to tanking hits from bloodlusted Thor

His striking feats don't even come close to taking down Thor

@apex_pretador: Tanking hits from Jane without even getting budged, having Herc hurt his hand just from punching him, not being hurt from punches from a guy who one-shot a flying fortress island. Nul was actually a bloody mess from Thor, while there are even weaker versions of Hulk that have tanked hits from a bloodlusted Thor without getting bloodied.

His striking feats are already better then Thors striking feats with Janjborn, so yea he would take out Thor.

Only magic/cosmic beings can damage Worthy members

@cryomodeste: Lol, where did you get this bit of misinformation?

@illuminated: Show me normal super-guys damaging members of worthy

@cryomodeste: You want me to prove a false negative? Ok show me a Worthy member damaging Hulk.

@illuminated: I didn`t say anything about this fight. I said that members of Worthy are immune to physical damage caused by Characters without cosmic/magic amps or powers.

@cryomodeste: Show me where this is stated.

@illuminated:

Kuurth was tanking all of X-Men`s attacks without effort including : Magneto , Iceman , Hope Summers (With every X-Men`s power) and other bunch of heroes. Only one who really damaged and defeated him was Colossnaut which is magical being

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Angrir who easily stomped Rulk was only killed by Thor`s Mjolnir which is magical weapon

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Nul was only BFRed by Thor and again with Mjolnir which is magical weapon

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Other members of Worthy were defeated by Odin`s magical metal Uru enhanced heroes including : Dr.Strange,Iron man(Bleeding Edge) ,Ms.Marvel etc.

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All of this scans proof that only way to hurt Worthy enhanced character you must be magical/cosmical amped.

@cryomodeste: Literally not one scans proves what you are saying, first off Juggernaut is already durable as all hell so barely anyone can even damage him to begin with.

Rulk was also not draining Angrir which was limiting his power.

Again i ask you to show me a scan where it says only magical/cosmical beings can hurt them.

Also none of this has anything to do with Immortal Hulk.

@illuminated:

Scans>Statements>Your Statements

Colossnaut beat Kuurth due to his magic

I can`t get what are you talking about. Angrir defeated Rulk in physical powers. Main reason that Rulk can`t drain his energy that he is magical being

Any member of Worthy will instantly one-shot Immortal Hulk without effort

@cryomodeste: You have yet to provide a single scan where it says they can only be hurt by magic/cosmic powers.

Colossonaut beat Kuurth because he was amped, not because he was amped by magic.

Rulk didn't drain Angrir, that's why he lost

the reason he didn't drain him is because he was afraid of not being able to turn human anymore, not because he couldn't.

None of the Worthy except Kuurth can beat Immortal Hulk, none of the others have the damage output. Besides Hulk falls into the criteria of a cosmic being, so try again.

Nul will solo.

@therkthor: No.

@Illuminated: You can have your opinion. I'll have mine.

@therkthor: You have to back up your opinion with evidence and you have none and i just finished explaining to someone else why Nul is inferior to Immortal Hulk.

@illuminated:

That doesn`t mean Rulk could beat Angrir. Still none of scans shows members of Worthy getting injured by characters without magic and cosmic powers. Colossnaut didn`t beat Kuurth with physical powers , he simply used magic against him.

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@cryomodeste: It's debatable, the main point is he didnt't want to use his drain for personal reasons.

Juggernaut is already one of the most durable bricks in comics, even without the worthy amp none of those could beat him.

@illuminated: Iceman already beat him.

@cryomodeste: Umm no unless you mean that one time back when even guys like Beast could beat him.

@Illuminated: Okay, you want me backing up my opinion. Here you go.

FIRST -

Who is Nul? Post core breach green Scar who picked up the hammer. Means all green Scar and post core breach feats apply, as well as post mediation feats could.

THE HAMMER -

The hammer's of Cul's children amp their wielders power to huge levels. By power I mean all stats, not just strength. It is backed up by all the showing of the worthy. They were doing and surviving things they couldn't or not that easily.

Meaning wielding hammer = stat up.

Conclusion from the above two - Nul is an amped version of post core breach Green Scar.

NUL vs THOR -

Nul tanked the biggest ever lightning Thor has ever summoned on Hulk with just a KO. Just a KO! Much inferior ones have KOed him previously or harmed him, yet this one didn't even cause him any visible injury, just a KO, when previously he was harmed and visibly injured by far less potent ones.

Conclusion - He is much more stronger (stronger means overall, stat wise) than pre core breach Hulk, angry, pissed off or calm.

IMMORTAL HULK vs AVENGERS -

Hulk tanked a mjolnir hit from Jane Foster with her pet hammer with just a little flinch/stagger. He also tanked a hit from Hercules. He unrestrained himself from Jane and Hercules tried to hold him back by flexing his muscles. Okay sound good so far. However, there's a catch.

MJOLNIR STRIKING ABILITY -

The very first thing to know about this hammer is that not all it's strike is planet/country/city busting level. The strikes from very same hammer have not caused any visible injury to far less durable people than Hulk. Ex - Wrecker crew. The striking strength depends upon how hard the wielders hits, which has to be backed up by statements and feats on panel. Means if hammer hits at city level, there will be proof, and so on at different level of striking. If nothing special about the hit is stated, then it's just a normal strike, which could be very well stronger or weaker even than the weilder's unarmed ones, which is backed up by 700+ issues of Thor solo comics.

Conclusion - Tanking a hit from Mjolnir when nothing special about the hit is stated or shown means not much. Wreckers to Skyfather, all have tanked it's hits. So unless the hit is a stronger one, which would be stated on panel as well as feat supporting it.

Calm classic Hulk has taken hits from Mjolnir. So does that mean he is current Hulk level durable? No. Unless the hit is hard, the credibility is not much.

Jane and Hercules showed no signs of using their full strength. A hit from Mjolnir and a hit from Hercules doesn't mean much unless that hit is stated to be a very powerful one. Hulk tanking that and unrestrained himself is no better than what classic Hulk used to do. And Nul is much stronger than classic Hulk, as all his feats + green scar's + post core breach all apply.

Conclusion - When immortal Hulk will tank a stronger lightning like Nul without getting visibly injured, only then we'll have a decent matchup. Until then, Nul will solo. His all stats, strength, durability, healing, recovery all were on fire. He'll be soloing.

Not to mention Immortal is already outnumbered.

@illuminated: No . Current Iceman beat Current Juggernaut which is far beyond Immortal Hulk and Kuurth

Kuurth murderstomps.

Colossusnaut beat Kuurth by pushing him back against the Serpents runes but Cyttorak's power was shown on panel to be beyond skyfathers anyway.

@cryomodeste: All he did was BFR him...

@therkthor: Ok let me dissect this garbage.

FIRST -

Who is Nul? Post core breach green Scar who picked up the hammer. Means all green Scar and post core breach feats apply, as well as post mediation feats could.

What evidence do you have that this was Green Scar persona? People just assume it is cause that was the last incarnation we saw at the time, but there is no evidence at all that this was Green Scar, he also preformed lower then Green Scar normally would.

THE HAMMER -

The hammer's of Cul's children amp their wielders power to huge levels. By power I mean all stats, not just strength. It is backed up by all the showing of the worthy. They were doing and surviving things they couldn't or not that easily.

Except this was never the case with Hulk, because the Worthy amped actually restricted Hulks anger and Hulks anger is what gives him the most amp anyway. So you literally have no evidence that Nul did anything more than normal Hulk could/would have.

Meaning wielding hammer = stat up.

Conclusion from the above two - Nul is an amped version of post core breach Green Scar.

No he isn't, because he literally did nothing that regular Hulk couldn't.

NUL vs THOR -

Nul tanked the biggest ever lightning Thor has ever summoned on Hulk with just a KO. Just a KO! Much inferior ones have KOed him previously or harmed him, yet this one didn't even cause him any visible injury, just a KO, when previously he was harmed and visibly injured by far less potent ones.

Size =/= power. Hulk has already tanked a bloodlusted Thors lightning just fine.

Also Nul was not knocked out by it. The only ever time a lightning has KO'd Hulk is back in 2001 and that was a shot aimed at the back of his head, he tanked one when it was aimed at his chest. So no you are talking out of your ass.

Conclusion - He is much more stronger (stronger means overall, stat wise) than pre core breach Hulk, angry, pissed off or calm.

False, not a single thing was done by Nul that wasn't already replicated by a normal Hulk.

IMMORTAL HULK vs AVENGERS -

Hulk tanked a mjolnir hit from Jane Foster with her pet hammer with just a little flinch/stagger. He also tanked a hit from Hercules. He unrestrained himself from Jane and Hercules tried to hold him back by flexing his muscles. Okay sound good so far. However, there's a catch.

They actually failed to budge him at all and Herc even hurt his hand which he didn't do against WWH, which is an amped version of Green Scar.

MJOLNIR STRIKING ABILITY -

The very first thing to know about this hammer is that not all it's strike is planet/country/city busting level. The strikes from very same hammer have not caused any visible injury to far less durable people than Hulk. Ex - Wrecker crew. The striking strength depends upon how hard the wielders hits, which has to be backed up by statements and feats on panel. Means if hammer hits at city level, there will be proof, and so on at different level of striking. If nothing special about the hit is stated, then it's just a normal strike, which could be very well stronger or weaker even than the weilder's unarmed ones, which is backed up by 700+ issues of Thor solo comics.

Not a single strike from Mljonir has ever been planet busting. Your explanation is a pathetic attempt to excuse why Hulk tanked a Mljonir strike without any problems. First off the literally fate of planet was at stake so Jane and Herc had to do everything they could to stop Hulk, the fact that Herc hurt his hand punching Hulk is proof that he didn't hold back and Jane hit him twice so there is no excuse if she hit him weakly the first time she would have tried much harder the second time, on top of that Jane asked Herc for help meaning that she couldn't do it alone.

ALSO, it was stated by Voyager that every blow from them felt like a thunderclap, so yea they were trying their best but this version of Hulk has tanked everything so far.

Conclusion - Tanking a hit from Mjolnir when nothing special about the hit is stated or shown means not much. Wreckers to Skyfather, all have tanked it's hits. So unless the hit is a stronger one, which would be stated on panel as well as feat supporting it.

It was actually stated that every blow from them felt like a thunderclap. Jane amped her Mljonir strike with lightning and still couldn't do anything

Calm classic Hulk has taken hits from Mjolnir. So does that mean he is current Hulk level durable? No. Unless the hit is hard, the credibility is not much.

That's because Thor has ALWAYS failed to KO Hulk with a Mljonir strike, it has nothing to do with how hard Thor hits him, but everything to do with the fact that all versions of Hulk that he fought are too tanky for him to put down with a Mljonir strike.

Jane and Hercules showed no signs of using their full strength. A hit from Mjolnir and a hit from Hercules doesn't mean much unless that hit is stated to be a very powerful one. Hulk tanking that and unrestrained himself is no better than what classic Hulk used to do. And Nul is much stronger than classic Hulk, as all his feats + green scar's + post core breach all apply.

The fact that Herc hurt his hand punching him is a sign of him using everything he has and Jane also had to ask for help because she alone couldn't do it, Voyager also confirms they were going all out. Nul has yet to show a single feat that puts him above even classic Hulk, let alone post core breach Hulk.

Conclusion - When immortal Hulk will tank a stronger lightning like Nul without getting visibly injured, only then we'll have a decent matchup. Until then, Nul will solo. His all stats, strength, durability, healing, recovery all were on fire. He'll be soloing.

Immortal Hulk already tanked everything thrown at him, while Nul was bleeding from every single hit Thor inflicted on him, Immortal Hulk has yet to be hurt by ANYTHING.

Not to mention Immortal is already outnumbered.

Numbers don't mean much when everyone outside of Kuurt and Nul are fodder to Immortal Hulk here, but Kuurth is actually the only one that can put him down.

@Illuminated: I am not gonna debate with you. There's so much wrong in your post, or you are purposely doing it. I am not going to do another Hulk vs Thor debate here. I already gave you my opinion and my reason.

@therkthor: There is literally nothing wrong with what i said, you actually made several claims without backing up anything and i actually debunked them. I mean i don't expect someone with Thor in their name to be too objective, but next time stick just to Thor and leave Hulk to those that know the character.

@Illuminated: ?

@hellionvulcan: And that action should be considered as magical

@cryomodeste: Literally nothing is mentioned in the comic that only magic hurts them, you made that assumption because all the characters the worthy fought that didn't have some form of magic where weak.

@lordofbrooklyn: I have never heard of this team

@illuminated: Iceman, Magneto , Ms.Marvel , Dr.Strange and Hope Summers aren`t weak characters.

@cryomodeste: To Juggernaut they are. Also isnt strange a magical character?

base Savage Hulk can hurt magical and cosmic beings, so this argument in this battle makes no sense at all. Hulk beat up Asgardians in their own realm, fought hell lord, fear lords, many cosmic beings (drax with the power gem which he one shotted, nightmare in his own realm, ghost Rider) in the Defender with doctor strange, Silver Surfer and Namor, fought the Eternal (purely cosmic beings whom are immortal) and beat them down in their own realm....

So this argument proves already that Immortal Hulk can damage them.

Hulk gets stomped.

@blacharrt: Actually Hulk can`t hurt magical beings. Remember when he faced Ghost Rider? Yes Hulk wrecked him but at the end Ghost Rider wasn`t damaged at all. Same thing goes to Juggernaut in World War Hulk #3. Hulk attacked Marco with barrage of punches but Cain was still unaffected. In conclusion I want to say that yes Hulk can clash and punch Magical beings but at the end of fight they`re still undamaged.

@cryomodeste: You literally have no idea what you are talking about... First off Hulk knocked out Ghost Rider and thats what allowed Zarathos to come out, second Juggernaut is one of the most durable characters out there, he has a force field around him that protects him from almost all damage, the same forcefield no sold a hammer throw from Thor and a godblast. Hulk has beaten dozens of magical beings throughout his career, are you high or something?

ghost rider? yeah he seems completely unhurt... right

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yeah, and hulk totally doesn't dent juggs and cause him to go unghh, nor stagger him and take his helmet off twice... nope

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