If the illuminati listened to Strange and they all fought Wanda together, what changes?

Strange is literally equal to her in Magic and he would hold her off than Black Bolt just says „Wanda“ and it’s over.

nothing, they dies

no he isn`t, He say that she is too much for him

too much with the Darkhold or base?

Prof X engages her in TP while the others blow her up.

Mordo + Strange + Professor X can hold her back long enough for Black Bolt to one shot.

IF they take her seriously from the get go

She dies

he don`t know base wanda. And (IMHO) Darkhold unlocking potential of Wanda by a heavy cost of humanity

If they listened they might’ve gone for the kill outright, meaning Xavier holds her off in a brief TP battle, keeping her in place long enough to sic Black Bolt on her or have one of the others get a kill shot. Xavier is a HUGE advantage here, even if he’s not as powerful as the FOX version.

Wanda gets no diff'd.

Yeah pretty much equal, that's why she beat him like 12 times in the movie

Black Bolt solos. Or they could hold her off until Xavier frees the Wanda on the inside.

@heiqn: the downplayed doctor strange lol.. you have to understand that doctor strange was nerfed by a lot in his own movie which I find pretty shitty that marvel did that to him. Plus none of the time did strange really fought her seriously as when he fought thanos. Everyone knows that Wanda was displayed to be stronger but she isn’t lol. If you count how many times she won because of Plot armour than you would lose count 👍🏻.

"Plot armor" and "Nerf" aren't the reasonings, they're totally out-of-debate arguments you can't bring here. Strange isn't nerfed, if you watched carefully you'd notice his track record against opponents were always shitty

• He lost to Ebony Maw with time stone,
• he lost to Kaecilius,
• he lost to Spider-Man
• He didn't do shit against Thanos except summoning Mirror Dimension and stopping a fake black hole.

Plus Majority thinks he wasn't nerfed, unlike you implying.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/did-strange-get-nerfed-in-mom-2262660/

Wanda > Strange, simple as that lol

@heiqn: Unfortunately you are right about Wanda. They made her way too strong imo. Though I'll ignore it because she was amped by the book.

I think you are wrong about Strange. He obviously hit hard with PIS and was nerfed hard.

If they actually listened to Strange. Then they likely could have come up with a plan and beat her thanks to Black Bolt. MCU Earth 838 Reed Richards literally told her how to beat their Black Bolt.

Assuming neither side jobs, X stuns her with TP and Bolt kills her, or Wanda doesn't bother with a direct confrontation and just reality warps everyone.

Them fighting together won't change that Reed was dumb and they were trying to not kill their universe's wanda. The team still dies. Their only chance is for Xavier to hold her briefly, but she'll still kill him mentally and no-one else can hold her and they'll have to be lucky that Wanda doesn't kill Black Bolt anyway.

@jeepeh: If Strange and Richards actually come up with a plan to stop her. Then Strange will tell Reed that this version of Wanda can't be reasoned with. I mean literally all they have to do is get Xavier to TP her while Black Bolt does the rest. Xavier would only need to tp her for a few seconds and it seemed to have lasted much longer than that.

Imo Strange wasn't nerfed or buffed. People just can't see what his previous feats really are.

• in IW, he boosted others via portals, blocked a beam with mirror dimension, blocked a fake black hole with no gravity with somekind of spell useless in ranged. in the same movie he lost to Ebony Maw, a TK user.
• in NWH he lost to Spider-Man. Bad showing, take it or leave it. If he doesn't have any spell to directly restrain close combat user he has no chance against people like Thanos & Wanda.

Even WandaVision Wanda or EG Wanda without jobbing could beat him pretty easily, based on showings.

@heiqn: He didn't actually lose to Spiderman though. It wasn't a fight and Strange was actively trying not to hurt or kill him. If Strange wanted to kill him. He would done so the moment he touched him the first time. But he cuts Peter a whole lot of slack and goes easy on him.

He did lose to Maw. But most fans really do chalk that up to PIS. Even on YouTube you could look through the comment sections right now I bet you'll see people pointing out the fallacies in that fight. If he had used the mirror dimension Maw was doomed. His clones were no where to be seen. In a later battle he fights Thanos with the Gauntlet and does much much better. Why do you think that happened lol? Are you going to argue that Maw was powerful enough to give Thanos a similar fight?

Strange is one of the most unfortunately inconsistent powerhouses in the MCU right now. He's more powerful than Thor. Especially now that he has unlocked the Eye of Agamotto. But he has these low showings because if he was always as powerful as he was supposed to be. There wouldn't be a need for the Avengers right now. I'm glad they've started to take him off planet and introduced Clea so now he'll likely job much less.

@mee09: Ofc, he could beat him, via portal-cut or just leaving him in dimension till he dies from hunger do the job. But the fact that he couldn't manage to restrain Spider-Man with a spell talks a lot about lack of versality.

I already answered why IG Thanos fight wasn't impressive as you think, he literally did nothing in that fight to say he was nerfed in his later showings. I think people on Youtube are extremely biased.

• in IW, he boosted others via portals, blocked a beam with mirror dimension, blocked a fake black hole with no gravity with somekind of spell useless in ranged.

You're assuming that they would go along with it. In this universe, Wanda has kids and has likely fought alongside these heroes for the better part of a decade. Just cause Strange says so, doesn't mean they'll listen, even assuming they let him fight alongside them.

Even then, if you assume the Illuminati is fighting to the best of their ability, you must also assume that Wanda will do the same. Instead of fist fighting Captain Carter and Miss Marvel, she will literally wipe them all from reality as soon as she sees them. She doesn't need them for her plans. She will literally rip them into spaghetti and make their limbs disappear as soon as her eyes fall on them. She will negate Xavier's telepathy, she could teleport around Black Bolt's whispers as she did through the blast door, and Black Bolt won't recklessly speak around the rest of the team.

@heiqn: Maw would not have been able to do anywhere near as well against Thanos 1v1. He also would have lost if Strange used the Mirror Dimension and his clones 100%. Strange just didn't use it because the writers nerfed him so he could get captured. There's no logical reason that he should have lost with what we have seen him do.

Strange was actively going easy on Spiderman. Peter wouldn't actually have a chance against Strange in a real fight lol. The whole reason NWH even happened is because Strange felt bad for Peter. On accident Strange nearly created a composite Earth or even more than that depending on who you ask. And you think Maw and Peter are more powerful than him? Especially now that he has the Eye of Agamotto?

@jeepeh: If they don't go along with the plan yeah they don't win. But they wouldn't fight with Strange if they weren't willing to go along with the plan in the first place.

He spoke pretty close to them when he erased their version of Doctor Strange lol

@mee09: Strange's spell takes time. Maw is fast and Quick, he would restrain him. Not saying he can't beat Spider-Man. He couldn't restrain him with his arsenal which is lack of versality. Replace him with Maw, even basic TK users can just swing their hand and hold him on air. If he can't even do that his arsenal means nothing.

Strange definitely needs mobility, more versality and more offensive spells in his next film. They didn't do him dirty in MoM. They did him dirty till his first film, he was never impressive to begin with, that's my argument.

@heiqn: I almost disagree with the first paragraph. But I do agree somewhat with the second.

They lose again. The movie made it abundantly clear that they're leagues below her in every possible way. Besides, Strange was one shot in earth 838 by Wanda, so he's not adding anything relevant either.

Xavier TP's and Black Bolt kills her with a laugh

What Illuminati?=)

@advent_: Mordo's basically useless

This. Xavier, as pathetic and featless as he is. Still stunned her long enough for Chavez to break the glass and run far away with Christine.

I guess there's a fight the Fodderminati may win, after all:

Thoughts on this fight? I apologize if you're not interested.

@zafros13: Nah Mordo was able to stall Strange meaning he a rough peer, he'd definitely contribute a note worthy distraction whether through energy whips or slinging portals or shields.

Hard to tell, fault of the writers to have make the Illuminati fodders

Dumb bitch dies

@advent_: I don't recall mordo fighting sorcerer dr strange.

I only recall him drugging him, and then losing to a powerless strange while using a magical sword and shoes.

@advent_: Mordo lost to a powerless Strange who had his hands tied together

@krisbishop: the only correct answer.

No way can Wanda fend off Prof X's psychic attack and fight all of them together at once, especially as one good hit spells death for her.

It was made abundantly clear that the only reasons they lost was because:

1. They heavily underestimated her, both in terms of her power and her bloodlust.

2. Captain Marvel got nerfed.

3. They barely fought as a team.

4. They were idiots and didn't include Strange.

Perhaps they could pull some wins… unless 616 MCU Scarlet Witch rocked up, then it’s all over for them.