Ichigos dad(isshin) vs narutos dad(minato

R1 shika vs base minato

R2 shika vs sage mode minato

R3 bankia vs BM minato

soul crush gg

@undre: Minato rounds 1 and 2. I don’t remember Isshin using Bankai. Can you explain round 3?

R1: Isshin

R2: Minato Taijutsu tf!? Out of Isshin

R3: Minato vapes

Have we ever seen Isshin Bankai?

@faradaysloth: Nope

Feats for Minato?

Minato all the way

@skysanji: what did isshin do that would put him on base minatos level who was still strong enough to be put on the run list for even other kage level people and strong enough to stomp (I believe minato was too humble with beating him) young Obito? I don't remember his feats too well.

@cocoussybreaker: base beat young riakage, young Obito and sealed the ninetail fox. I think he beat a whole battalion by himself in a flash or something of that nature and could teleport a bijuu bomb from both the nine-tails and the ten-tails.

Sage mostly gets scaled to Naruto and jiraya but it's a really good stat booster.

BM minato got the jump on rinnegan Obito by teleporting, was able to create a kyuubi cloak and kyuubi form the size of Narutos. He seemed stronger than bm Naruto but I don't think he was stronger than bsm Naruto as he never used bsm only bm and sm.

Isshin can take R1 and R2 but Minato takes R3 handily. Just half of naruto’s kyuubi could flick away mountain busters like they were nothing. And Minato has the other half.

He takes R1 and 2.

He has a chance of taking R3 assuming minato doesn’t instantly try to launch a tbb(which he doesn’t) But I can’t see Isshin getting past his Kurama avatar defense. But I’d back him if this was minato outside of Kurama rather than in it.

Btw, why bother doing R3 when we haven’t even seen his bankai?

Every single thing in this paragraph lacks context and Isshin can either replicate or do better in terms of raw feats.

@ourmanuel: he just asked for feats. Wasn't meant to say who won. And him beating raikage and Obito don't need any context he beat then both while he was either outnumbered or running low on chakra so I could see context actually helping minato.

Also I've asked for feats and I never really got any.

And him teleporting the ten tails bomb was right after resurrection so idk how you could discredit that.

R1: Isshin takes round 1, minato doesn't have much going on here but ftg and rasengan, i dont see rasengan really hurting isshin all that much tbh. Isshin high diff because minato still have the option of teleporting isshins attacks to his face and can always ftg out of danger, but i still give the majority to isshin mainly because of his durability.

R2: Goes to minato (assuming his SM will last long enough that is), this version of minato will have Ma and Pa, better sensing that means better reflexes (considering a slower SM user like naruto was able to dodge raikage, minato who is much faster than base naruto and has ftg will be fast as hell). Frog song, frog kata, kage bunshin, food cart destroyer etc. will grant him victory. And minato should be able to nullify any projectile attack (getsuga) with ftg returning it back at isshin plus minato was shown to be smarter.

Round 3: Minato stomps, minato destroys isshin negg diff.

I honestly have no idea what Isshin is actually capable of. Bleach is kinda hard to scale.

What would you guys say is his speed and attack potency in each form?

Minato is faster than the Raikage, well into the Massively hypersonic+ range.

SM is even faster.

BM just gets ridiculous. Naruto before getting KCM was not exactly a speedster, yet with KCM he was able to keep up with an outspeed the Raikage. Minato in BM is like KCM stacked ontop of another KCM.

Power wise, base Minato is not exactly strong. SM Minato would be extremely strong, however. Base Naruto is strong, but really nothing special at the point where he got sage mode. Minato is easily much stronger than Naruto was. The Boost Naruto got allowed him to go toe to toe with Pain, and hurt the Nine Tails. Giving Minato this boost would put him on another level completely.

Going into BM Minato you just turn the dial up to 11. He now has the power of the strongest of the Bjuu who can easily wipe away Mountains. Easily Island wiping level power.

Round 1 and 2 go to Isshin, round 3 goes to Minato.

Isshin clears.

The fist two rounds don't pose any type of threat to him and Minato lacks the stats to hang in round 3. If you take into consideration that Isshin is above the top four Espada who can each bust Las Noches then Isshin is also above him in power.

What are Isshins best showings again, getting owned by second form Aizen?

I remember lots about Minato since he has many more showings than Isshins so I will go with him for now unless someone refreshes my memory for me.

@brownzeus: minato was also getting owned by obito and Madara.

Minato vapes. Isshin lacks feats.

@uchihaghost: @easternwind: minato in base isn’t faster than the raikage. SM and BM are indeed fast, but are they fast enough for Isshin? Ichigo reacted to gin’s Mach 500 and 1000 attacks yet got wtf blitzed by Aizen. Isshin was able to get him a number of times and was also reacting up to his first transformation.

@ourmanuel: when aizen was in his cacoon mode (I think that's what when he was in mask) he was weirdly lax for aizen so him getting tagged isn't crazy impressive. If isshin fought him before then, then I'm just misremembering and that's my bad.

Also it doesn't exactly matter how his base speed is because these kinds of fights for minato are all about teleporting which isshen will not be fast enough to stop him from doing nor is he fast enough for minato to not react to. The raikage charged a him full speed and minato was able to throw a kunai and teleport twice before he could even move an inch.

Teleblitzing him is still a 100% win and all he used in the fight was 1 rasengan, 2 teleports, and 2 seals. We know everything besides the rasengan arent chakra drainers yet after the fight he is low on chakra, this would mean that he started the fight low as well (but overall chakra doesn't matter as he wont run out in this fight).

Blitzing soifons men is something you could entirely say as blitzing that many trained assassin's is impressive.

I also don't think teleporting the getsuga back at him would work, I think someone else said that I just brought that up to show how effective his teleporting is.

I would like to know how exactly you expect isshan to beat sm and kcm though. Sage modes speed addition is great but it's biggest factor will be it's added on reactions. Now any chance before that he wouldn't be able to react to isshan is through out because of all the buffs added by sage mode as well as striking that could harm isshan now as well.

Kcm is just a stomp imo, he's comparable to bm Naruto who I could not see isshan holding a candle to.

@ourmanuel, can you like stop tagging me.....

@uchihaghost: if you don’t have a proper response then just say so rather than making a pretentious response like that while ironically tagging me.

Base Isshin worn-out Base Aizen without breaking a sweat, and tanked a small mountain size kido point blank.

Is this Isshin at his strongest btw? IIRC he got much weaker from losing his Shinigami powers so logically at his best he'd be stronger than the version that fought Hogyoku Aizen.

Minato all around unless people can show any notable speed feat for Ishin. And he isn't tanking Rasengan either

Well

Id go with Minato all arounds hes a lot smarter, faster, better tactics, and Ishhin will not see FTG coming hes getting his head chopped off. He is not going to understand shadow clones and how they work he gets killed without knowing what happened

Isshin round 1

Minato Round 2 and 3

Lmao, rasengan killing isshin

@ourmanuel: I wanted to know your opinion on my response to you. I'm genuinely curious bc I forgot alot of isshans stuff.

@co-boss: I’ll respond soon

R1 Isshin stomps

R2 Isshin mid diff at most.

R3 Is Isshin's bankai even known? With Isshin's limited showings, Minato stomps.

R1: isshin wins with 1 finger, Minato Rasengan is not strong enough to do any damage to Isshin, nor is his shurikens nor kunais gonna even scratch Isshin.

R2: Isshin wins with 1 finger, Sage mode makes minato physically stronger and stronger Rasengan but again too weak, Sage mode physical boost it means nothing to any Hollow above menos, is like going from an ant to another ant, while his jutsu get a boost is still not enough, Chad Diablo Arm > Tsunade and that attack at full power was blocked by a mere Fraccion in base those fraccion would get insta killed by any captain in base while their power is increase 10x via release.

R3: Half of Kurama is not enough to kill ishin nor any Captain for that matter, Isshin Base > Average Captain Bankai, and no TBB is not gonna kill anyone, energy after it explodes goes in every direction completely wasting its power, more so for shinigami that can fly and shunpo, unless TBB can be compressed into a smaller area its efficiency against other humans is wasteful more so against bleach characters that can tank stuff unlike naruto ninjas, and again we arent playing pokemon here is a fight a slow charging technique like TBB is too slow in a 1vs1.

i dont understand how some people believe minato can cut of isshin head, am i missing something with minato physical abilities because from what i understand he is much weaker than start of shippuuden sakura in strength and sakura is not even stronger than a Menos Grande at that point.

@raziel2014: ok I'm not going to touch the rest, but you're actually trying to say a half kurama host couldn't kill any captain? Even though plenty of captains have feats significantly lower than Naruto when he was unlocked his BM which minato scales to?

@co-boss said:

@raziel2014: ok I'm not going to touch the rest, but you're actually trying to say a half kurama host couldn't kill any captain? Even though plenty of captains have feats significantly lower than Naruto when he was unlocked his BM which minato scales to?

Bleach characters do their job to save people/souls with the minimum AoE damage as possible. They even text SS to place several seals around the fighting to keep the enemy in place, and they never go all out.

Lol at minato cutting ishin head if we go by physical minato is a joke to ishin who flicked aizen with 1 finger damn impressive

@cocoussybreaker: ok that's simply not true, plenty of captains have gone all out. And just saying because they haven't gone all out meaning they have to be better than their feats is a fallacy.

Minato wins all round. Isshins some next level fodder in the series.

Yeah they are fast enough.

First, Gin lied about his abilities, so that isn't really fair to use, but I will assume it's close enough.

Either way, yes. Itachi who was near blind and half dead could react to lightning, Kakashi could cut lightning, Gai is said to be as fast as lightning, the Raikage is said to be faster than lightning.

Minato is faster than all of that.

KCM Naruto was able to go with the Raikage going full speed, and Minato is on that same level in base. With Sage Mode or BM he would be insanely fast. He even reacted to a TSB explosion, and in base reacted to explosions literally as they were happening.

Round 1: Isshin

Rounds 2 and 3: Minato

Isshin tanked a mountain size lighting attack from Aizen. :)

What is Isshin Stats?

Cuz Minato is Country+ with MHS+ reaction.

@king_bardock_57: Post Minato's Country level feat.

“Minato is country+”

Boruto's dad's dad.