@supermanwin1875: Nah, The official anime website for boruto said isshiki is the strongest enemy they faced. Their's plenty of evidence for Isshiki being the strongest. BM is the strongest in terms of speed and power. Higher than moon lv
Ichigo (true bankai+hos) vs Naruto (baryon mode) vs luffy (gear 5)
@supermanwin1875: Nah, The official anime website for boruto said isshiki is the strongest enemy they faced. Their's plenty of evidence for Isshiki being the strongest. BM is the strongest in terms of speed and power. Higher than moon lv
except there isn't, no evidence is shown
isshiki is the strongest enemy in boruto, nothing else
same adult fodder naruto was physically matching fused momoshiki, who's punch got blocked by gaara sand
@ninjarizer: but hasn’t kubo gone on record saying it was?
He's credited for writing it but he said he doesn't feel like he did enough to get credit for it iirc.
@deyyy said:
@seb178 said:
Naruto got weaker. That's why he got stomped by foddershiki, EOS SO6P Naruto solos Boruto verse. Literally Ishikki being able to Stomp fodder adults by absorbing a little bit of chkra of current fodder jyuubi proves that they got weaker. Naruto juubi>>>>>>>>>Boruto fodder and significantly small jyuubi.
There is no proof he got weaker. IIrc jigen absorbed chakra from juubi not isshiki. And even tho the juubi was small but it can still have more chakra then tailed beasts.
Also how do you know how much chakra jigen already had and how much he takes from juubi? And it doesn't matter nor it is an anti feat
Isshiki is said to be strongest enemy including kaguya. Adult naruto and sasuke also got slightly stronger. Just look KCM mode in naruto and KCM mode in THE LAST. There's no way Adult versions got weaker they were just stated to be "rusty" thats all. And if you think they got weaker then show where it was mentioned.
Jigen was able to beat fodder Adult Naruto and Sasuke. Both of them clearly got weaker and are not as strong as their EOS/TL self.
Sorry but you can continue with your headcanon but Adults versions got physically stronger and faster and jigen stomped these versions effortlessly
But Ichigo is faster. He has the mimihagi feat and Hikone scaling that puts him in the FTL ranges easly.
Lmao what can FTL ichigo do to FTL+ SOSP naruto
While Naruto was only barely able to dodge Light fang due to his sage mode precog.
You sure have short memory bcs i am sure you are the guy whom i showed novel feats which makes him easily FTL+
Instead of denying feats learn to accept them
This simply doesn't prove that Ichigo can't attack ones soul... Shinigami with their Zanpakuto are able to attack the soul directly plus i already explained above while Naruto isn't faster.
Ichigo isn't faster, you are in denial. And as i have said souls are different in bleach then in naruto.Ichigo doesn't attack everyone's souls. Normal souls in different verse doesn't grow, eat, die etc. Shinigami's are like beings in different verse. Either way ichigo cannot land hit and naruto can oneshot him with TSB
@dragonkin: Cope. Luffy's island level punches cannot scratch naruto nor ichigo. This is just naruto vs ichigo, luffy is non factor here
@seb178: I've had it explained to me before that TSB are only atomic destruction, not soul destruction. Either way it's probably not something Ichigo wants to get nailed in the face with unless his aforementioned regen is good enough
I have already explained it here
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/which-ft-character-can-defeat-juubitoobito-rikudou-1847068/?page=7
see post 338
TSB is void manipulation far better than soul destruction and ichigo cannot regen from it
Baryon Mode Naruto will win. Weaker and Slower version of Naruto could defeat both Ichigo and Luffy.
Depends on how much merit you put in Yhwach being afraid of True Bankai Ichigo.
Yhwach stomps them both, so if TB Ichigo is that dude, then he might take it.
Though he has no feats sadly.
I actually thing BM Naruto is a disadvantage here. Stealing some small amount of life force here isn't going to do much to souls that are functionally immortal, meanwhile it puts Naruto on a huge clock. If it was non-BM Naruto, I would probably favor him though. I think he would eventually get it done, maybe mid diff, but not with a few minutes at most.
@deyyy said:
There is no proof he got weaker. IIrc jigen absorbed chakra from juubi not isshiki. And even tho the juubi was small but it can still have more chakra then tailed beasts.
Also how do you know how much chakra jigen already had and how much he takes from juubi? And it doesn't matter nor it is an anti feat
But its obvious that they got weaker... no feats, no statements say that they go stronger then before. There is to many feats that actually prove my point. Jigen only needed Chakra of current fodder weak juubi to be able to stomps fodder Adults
Sasuke was scared of Jigen who just had absorbed current fodder Juubi chakra . Same Jigen chapters after that was fighting and getting matched physically by off brand Jiraya, same off brand jiraya who got one-shoted by a pillar.
Isshiki is said to be strongest enemy including kaguya. Adult naruto and sasuke also got slightly stronger. Just look KCM mode in naruto and KCM mode in THE LAST. There's no way Adult versions got weaker they were just stated to be "rusty" thats all. And if you think they got weaker then show where it was mentioned.
No. Ishikki is only the strongest villian in Boruto, not in Naruto/Boruto as a whole. Plus Adults don't scale to their EOS/TL self not by feats nor statements. Again actual feats prove that they got weaker like Sasuke's shibaku tensei its much smaller then EOS sasuke one which again proves that they got weaker.
Sorry but you can continue with your headcanon but Adults versions got physically stronger and faster and jigen stomped these versions effortlessly
Physically stronger??? LOL same adults who were struggling with Fused Momoshiki who was getting his attack tanked by kages? same adults who got lol stomped by someone who was getting physically matched by a pillar level fodder? LOL. Enjoy you're Physically stronger adults then
Lmao what can FTL ichigo do to FTL+ SOSP naruto
Show the Manga panel
You sure have short memory bcs i am sure you are the guy whom i showed novel feats which makes him easily FTL+
Instead of denying feats learn to accept them
Who even are you? when did i talk with you any other day? you're just a Boruto stan that i decided to entertain today...
Ichigo isn't faster, you are in denial. And as i have said souls are different in bleach then in naruto.Ichigo doesn't attack everyone's souls. Normal souls in different verse doesn't grow, eat, die etc. Shinigami's are like beings in different verse. Either way ichigo cannot land hit and naruto can oneshot him with TSB
He is he is stated to be one of the people along side Ken and Aizen to be able to stop LS Hikone plus he has the Mimihagi feat scaling that he got for fighting Yhwach. TBHM Ichigo can easily be scaled to FTL combat speed. And once again this doesn't prove that Ichigo doesn't directly attack the opponents soul. Plus why would Naruto have TSO if this is BM Naruto version being used here?
Baryon mode Naruto literally can one shot the both
Baryon Mode Naruto>Pre prime Isshiki>>>>>Ichigo+Onepice verse lol
@epicprince: BYM Naruto couldn't even oneshot foddershiki 😭
@deyyy said:
There is no proof he got weaker. IIrc jigen absorbed chakra from juubi not isshiki. And even tho the juubi was small but it can still have more chakra then tailed beasts.
Also how do you know how much chakra jigen already had and how much he takes from juubi? And it doesn't matter nor it is an anti feat
But its obvious that they got weaker... no feats, no statements say that they go stronger then before. There is to many feats that actually prove my point. Jigen only needed Chakra of current fodder weak juubi to be able to stomps fodder Adults
Doesn't matter. Boruto god tiers relies on scaling and AP. And wtf proved your point?as i have said Juvenile Ten tails can still have more chakra then tailed beasts
And don't dodge my question i asked "how do you know, how much chakra jigen already had and how much he takes from juubi"
Sasuke was scared of Jigen who just had absorbed current fodder Juubi chakra . Same Jigen chapters after that was fighting and getting matched physically by off brand Jiraya, same off brand jiraya who got one-shoted by a pillar.
holy crap thanks for showing you know shit about boruto bcs Koji didn't fought jigen at full power
jigen was only at 10% of his powers and even then koji wasn't sure that he can take him down. Same for isshiki, he was weakened at that point and was just playing with koji
Isshiki is said to be strongest enemy including kaguya. Adult naruto and sasuke also got slightly stronger. Just look KCM mode in naruto and KCM mode in THE LAST. There's no way Adult versions got weaker they were just stated to be "rusty" thats all. And if you think they got weaker then show where it was mentioned.
No. Ishikki is only the strongest villian in Boruto, not in Naruto/Boruto as a whole.
Ishikki is only the strongest villian in Boruto, not in Naruto/Boruto as a whole.
Lmfao so boruto and naruto are different verse....
Sorry but boruto and naruto same same verses. There are multiple statements of kaguya in boruto and even madara. If we get statement that isshiki is the strongest, then it means isshiki is the strongest enemy naruto and sasuke faced including madara and kaguya.
Plus Adults don't scale to their EOS/TL self not by feats nor statements.
In your weirdest dream
Again actual feats prove that they got weaker like Sasuke's shibaku tensei its much smaller then EOS sasuke one which again proves that they got weaker.
This is dumb. Sasuke can make large CT like he made when capturing bijuus but the thing is that Momoshiki is small in size in very comparison to bijuus and feats in boruto and visually smaller too. So still no.
Physically stronger??? LOL same adults who were struggling with Fused Momoshiki who was getting his attack tanked by kages? same adults who got lol stomped by someone who was getting physically matched by a pillar level fodder? LOL. Enjoy you're Physically stronger adults then
Same PIS nothing new
Lmao what can FTL ichigo do to FTL+ SOSP naruto
Show the Manga panel
Sorry but novel feats prove they are FTL+ cry
You sure have short memory bcs i am sure you are the guy whom i showed novel feats which makes him easily FTL+
Instead of denying feats learn to accept them
Who even are you? when did i talk with you any other day? you're just a Boruto stan that i decided to entertain today...
Oh really but didn't you concede and never replied when i showed novel scans in Kaguya vs OPM team thread OPM sTaN.....
Ichigo isn't faster, you are in denial. And as i have said souls are different in bleach then in naruto.Ichigo doesn't attack everyone's souls. Normal souls in different verse doesn't grow, eat, die etc. Shinigami's are like beings in different verse. Either way ichigo cannot land hit and naruto can oneshot him with TSB
He is he is stated to be one of the people along side Ken and Aizen to be able to stop LS Hikone plus he has the Mimihagi feat scaling that he got for fighting Yhwach.
Hikone isn't LS btw
TBHM Ichigo can easily be scaled to FTL combat speed.
wtf is TBHM? and if ichigo is FTL then it's good for him but he still gets blitz by FTL+ naruto
And once again this doesn't prove that Ichigo doesn't directly attack the opponents soul. Plus why would Naruto have TSO if this is BM Naruto version being used here?
OP says we can use SOSP mode
@sp4ce: you didn't saw the link in which i have explained? here
@seb178: I've had it explained to me before that TSB are only atomic destruction, not soul destruction. Either way it's probably not something Ichigo wants to get nailed in the face with unless his aforementioned regen is good enough
I have already explained it here
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/which-ft-character-can-defeat-juubitoobito-rikudou-1847068/?page=7
see post 338 you will know why TSB is void manipulation
TSB is void manipulation far better than soul destruction and ichigo cannot regen from it
Yes, I was wondering why I'd never seen this mentioned before with TSB but I think it's just worded differently. You've essentially just repeated that TSB have existence erasure, which is an interpretation I've seen plenty of times. Makes sense imo but again not everyone agrees and people who don't think it's just atomic destruction
We know that Aizen came back from being EE but that was because of the Hogyoku. If we give EE to the TSB, the question becomes, is Ichigo's regen enough for him to shake off being hit by TSB or not?
@xraydog:EE is not VM. EE is just erasing ppl on atomic or sub atomic level but VM is absolute eraser. The user of this power can wipe out anything or everything regardless of immunity. PPL with VM can even turn space-time, enery, soul to nothingness. For example like Zeno's erasure. Thats why even if anyone can survive EE it doesn't matter to ppl with VM powers bcs you need prove of character can regen from attack which can erase time-space, souls etc.
@pr03: ITs just a name. VM is nothingness manipulation i know but see what possible uses of VM are
The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.
Turning objects to nothingness is also possible uses of VM
And yes TSB is VM
@seb178: I've had it explained to me before that TSB are only atomic destruction, not soul destruction. Either way it's probably not something Ichigo wants to get nailed in the face with unless his aforementioned regen is good enough
I have already explained it here
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/which-ft-character-can-defeat-juubitoobito-rikudou-1847068/?page=7
see post 338
TSB is void manipulation far better than soul destruction and ichigo cannot regen from it
So Sakura just has a hole in her cool.
@pr03: ITs just a name. VM is nothingness manipulation i know but see what possible uses of VM are
The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.
Turning objects to nothingness is also possible uses of VM
And yes TSB is VM
No it's just EE. Stop trying to wank it.
@seb178: I've had it explained to me before that TSB are only atomic destruction, not soul destruction. Either way it's probably not something Ichigo wants to get nailed in the face with unless his aforementioned regen is good enough
I have already explained it here
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/which-ft-character-can-defeat-juubitoobito-rikudou-1847068/?page=7
see post 338
TSB is void manipulation far better than soul destruction and ichigo cannot regen from it
So Sakura just has a hole in her cool.
Cool but TSB is not black rod
@seb178: I've had it explained to me before that TSB are only atomic destruction, not soul destruction. Either way it's probably not something Ichigo wants to get nailed in the face with unless his aforementioned regen is good enough
I have already explained it here
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/which-ft-character-can-defeat-juubitoobito-rikudou-1847068/?page=7
see post 338
TSB is void manipulation far better than soul destruction and ichigo cannot regen from it
So Sakura just has a hole in her cool.
Cool but TSB is not black rod
It is though. Madara turned it into one, along with others.
@pr03: ITs just a name. VM is nothingness manipulation i know but see what possible uses of VM are
The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.
Turning objects to nothingness is also possible uses of VM
And yes TSB is VM
No it's just EE. Stop trying to wank it.man
Nothing is wank here, it was already proved many times
@seb178: I've had it explained to me before that TSB are only atomic destruction, not soul destruction. Either way it's probably not something Ichigo wants to get nailed in the face with unless his aforementioned regen is good enough
I have already explained it here
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/which-ft-character-can-defeat-juubitoobito-rikudou-1847068/?page=7
see post 338
TSB is void manipulation far better than soul destruction and ichigo cannot regen from it
So Sakura just has a hole in her cool.
Cool but TSB is not black rod
It is though. Madara turned it into one, along with others.
It isn't though and wtf? madara can turn TSB into black rod?
@seb178: I've had it explained to me before that TSB are only atomic destruction, not soul destruction. Either way it's probably not something Ichigo wants to get nailed in the face with unless his aforementioned regen is good enough
I have already explained it here
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/which-ft-character-can-defeat-juubitoobito-rikudou-1847068/?page=7
see post 338
TSB is void manipulation far better than soul destruction and ichigo cannot regen from it
So Sakura just has a hole in her cool.
Cool but TSB is not black rod
It is though. Madara turned it into one, along with others.
It isn't though and wtf? madara can turn TSB into black rod?
Bruh. Yeah, you fell for the wank.
As you can see he turns the TSB into a black rod. It's still a tsb but shaped like a rod now.
@pr03: ITs just a name. VM is nothingness manipulation i know but see what possible uses of VM are
The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.
Turning objects to nothingness is also possible uses of VM
And yes TSB is VM
No it's just EE. Stop trying to wank it.man
Nothing is wank here, it was already proved many times
It is. TSB have nothing to do with Void Manip. You just started believing the wank that get fed to you.
@epicprince: BYM Naruto couldn't even oneshot foddershiki 😭
ok
Ichigo takes this handily, hes MFTL + and has better scaling and strength.
He bitch slaps BYM naruto or statues him while luffy starts trolling BYM by turning the ground and his chakra to rubber; only serving to kill naruto faster.
Ichigo then kills the both of them.inb4 omnipotent luffy.
In what shape or form can Luffy ever be argued for here? He’s literally, at max wank, 5 tiers below Ichigo’s strongest form, and 4 tiers below Naruto’s strongest form.
Ichigo solos the entire verse, and Naruto does the sam. One Piece doesn’t have the virtue of any relevant on panel feats, like Naruto or Bleach do.
If Ichigo or Naruto had Conqueror’s Haki, Luffy would literally faint and might even die.
Luffy dies doing whatever he wants to do, and then EoS Ichigo smashes Naruto the same way he dealt with Butterfly Aizen.
Someone say Bleach doesn’t have on panel feats of planetary destruction, I dare you.
@ninjarizer: why do you keep insisting naruto is stronger
when its been made clear he is fodder
its been made clear he is below kurama, since otsutsuki noticed the large chakra being kurama not naruto
you keep ignoring the fact that kinshiki can't escape a single shadow paralysis
same kinshiki matches adult sasuke physically
@seb178: prime madara still mid diffs at best, jyuubidara one shots
In what shape or form can Luffy ever be argued for here? He’s literally, at max wank, 5 tiers below Ichigo’s strongest form, and 4 tiers below Naruto’s strongest form.
Ichigo solos the entire verse, and Naruto does the sam. One Piece doesn’t have the virtue of any relevant on panel feats, like Naruto or Bleach do.
If Ichigo or Naruto had Conqueror’s Haki, Luffy would literally faint and might even die.
Luffy dies doing whatever he wants to do, and then EoS Ichigo smashes Naruto the same way he dealt with Butterfly Aizen.
Someone say Bleach doesn’t have on panel feats of planetary destruction, I dare you.
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