Indra Ōtsutsuki (should be comparable to EOS Sasuke) 5%
Asura_Ōtsutsuki (should be comparable to EOS Naruto) 2%
S0sP 0%
Kaguya Ōtsutsuki 6%
Clear.... 6%
I was in a debate involving Ichigo and a Ōtsutsuki member, a select few people said Ichigo would win, while a seemingly majority of people said he wouldn't.
So i decided to make a poll so we can actually see where the majority of people think Ichigo stops.
Why did you show me a video of a weakened Sasuke fighting Kinshiki and act like it was a quantifiable feat?
Basing on what Sasuke was weakened in that fight?
It was specifically stated that Sasuke was weakened by travelling through dimensions and that it took a significant amount out of him.
I know. The fact is that we don't know the exact moment when Sasuke reached the Ice Dimension nor when he started to fight against Kinshiki nor for how long he stayed in that dimension before fighting the Otsutsuki. Energy/stamina can be gained again with time. In fact Sasuke did better during his first battle.
While during their second match (Momo and Kin vs Team Sasuke and Naruto) we have the exact time: Sasuke reached their dimension and started to fight against 'em at the very beginning.
Might not be drawn to scale as a perfect match but they're still Mountains and they sure as hell beat that large boulder Ichigo busted.
they're definitely drawn to scale as they're always consistently comparable to the tailed beasts and susanoo's etc. not all mountains have to be 2.3 miles high, the mountains in the geography of naruto just happen to be extremely small ones.
in the distance you can pretty clearly see large mountains which just don't happen to exist in the area Naruto takes place in
i'm just discussing the geography of the different verses
@narutbleacfan: Probably because Bleach feats are kinda unclear. Hell, Side characters have more feats than Ichigo and that leads to people calling Ichigo fodder.
You said it was a normal rasengan, I proved you wrong.
If you serious think that's a base Rasegan you're an idiot.
now you change the subject.
At least the mountains in Naruto are mountains.
"mountain" what a lovely name for a rock-like hill
Inb4 "LMAOO Kubo is not good at drawing xdxd that's x50 larger than Everest LMAOO Naruto fanbase sucks and small city level losers! Bleach fan-fic are canon 'cause Kubo let the fanbase to add fan-fic feats his words i swear"
I said it was a base rasengan not a normal rasengan don’t put words in my mouth.
It was a huge rasengan from BASE naruto used by boruto who isn’t even jounin level yet.
I didn’t call hanger the subject I proved you wrong on the same lozenges of the tree and it’s scaling.
Kubo actually not said it was a mountain. There’s a Hong called author intent which means that kubo wants his charecter Ichigo to have the power to evaporate mountains with the swing of his sword.
I said it was a base rasengan not a normal rasengan don’t put words in my mouth.
It wasn’t a huge rasengan from BASE naruto used my boruto who isn’t even jounin level yet.
I didn’t call hanger the subject I proved you wrong on the same lozenges of the tree and it’s scaling.
Kubo actually not said it was a mountain. There’s a Hong called author intent which means that kubo wants his charecter Ichigo to have the power to evaporate mountains with the swing of his sword.
Big tree stump remains big tree stump.
Ichigo busted a large rock that's it.
If that seems like a normal rasengan or "base" rasengan you're an idiot.
I said it was a base rasengan not a normal rasengan don’t put words in my mouth.
It wasn’t a huge rasengan from BASE naruto used my boruto who isn’t even jounin level yet.
I didn’t call hanger the subject I proved you wrong on the same lozenges of the tree and it’s scaling.
Kubo actually not said it was a mountain. There’s a Hong called author intent which means that kubo wants his charecter Ichigo to have the power to evaporate mountains with the swing of his sword.
Big tree stump remains big tree stump.
Ichigo busted a large rock that's it.
If that seems like a normal rasengan or "base" rasengan you're an idiot.
i have no idea why this feat is being talked about as if it's his best physical feat when he's already condensed explosions that rival the juubi's TBB in his hands in a drastically weaker state,
ichigo wasn't even trying when he preformed this lol
@narutbleacfan: Honestly, the salt between Naruto and Bleach in unbelievable. I am actually waiting for the Universal Ichigo squad since some of the Naruto wankers are already here.
I said it was a base rasengan not a normal rasengan don’t put words in my mouth.
It was a huge rasengan from BASE naruto used by boruto who isn’t even jounin level yet.
it was flashing yellow inside so it's already implied that he's using more chakra than anything in his base mode and is tapping in to 9 tails power with that attack
boruto was just a conduit for it and his arm got messed up just holding it
fused momoshiki at a max has at least small city level durability no matter how u look at the feat, it's clear from that rasengan killing him that something like the juubi jin or juubi itself would have no issues dealing with him. he's not that strong lol. and he's not that weak either. somewhere above kage and somewhere under the juubi. i'd personally place him as insanely close to ichigo, anyone above him is pushing it, and i still have no idea why this thread has toneri above him in the first place considering toneri literally died to one punch that most low tiers in bleach can replicate. nothing implies naruto was going all out and he was confident the entire fight that he could KO toneri in one punch lmao.
Call the people who drew and animated a BASE naruto handing BORUTO a rasengan to kill momo obviously it wasn’t a strong rasengan but it still wasn’t even a kcm narutos rasengan and it wasn’t even done by naruto. It was created by a weakened base naruto and handed to a shounin or genin level boruto.
Kubo already gave the size of the sereitei twice and you choose to ignore it. Once with the 400 ti statement and another’s time with the 10 days gon each gate stamens.
He also states that was a mountain and the emphasis wasn’t on the size of the particular mountain the emphasis was on the fact ichigo can evaporate a mountain with the swing of his sword.
The after shock of aizens swing (which ichigo caught) completely destroyed the ground behind ichigo. The pink haired girl stern Ritter with “the strength” who a 100+ by feats hit ichigo and ichigo wasn’t even dizzy as stated by another sternritter.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a cool feat but don’t make it more than what it is...
So wait toneri cutting a hollow moon in half makes him a moon buster now? yhwach was literally going to destroy the soul society and the world and hueco mundo but you guys don’t consider him planetary? And ichigo literally stabbed him and ripped him in half and he’s not at the very least planatary? I’m deaaad.
So wait toneri cutting a hollow moon in half makes him a moon buster now? yhwach was literally going to destroy the soul society and the world and hueco mundo but you guys don’t consider him planetary? And ichigo literally stabbed him and ripped him in half and he’s not at the very least planatary? I’m deaaad.
Woahhh you get a gold medal for pointing out that he didn’t it’s not like it wasn’t stated by everyone multiple times that he could in fact do it it’s not like he absorbed the god of the verse who was holding all these places together meaning that he does in fact have the power. You’re literally going against obvious author intent.
Please show me a scan of a Bleach Low tier replicating this feat with their fist only.
Fodder stronger than Sakura and that one Kage that punched Kinshiki through some treesFodder demonstrates how he's fodder to fodder.
Anything past this is where Toneri gets physically one shot.
Previous fodder who stopped the previous fodder that is already stronger than 95% of the Naruto cast physically gets physically overwhelmed by more fodder.two more fodder clash
I'm literally barely even touching the post timeskip with this one dude. They have feats physically that trump these.
Ichigo is way more than 10 times stronger at this point lmfao. The physical showings in Naruto are not the strong point of the verse at all.
@iusemycajonas: Lol City level Momoshiki, what's next? Street level Naruto?
The fact that Momoshiki was hurting Sasuke and Naruto puts him above most Bleach characters.
Naruto characters have been far above city level since Pein.
Nice ABC logic but unfortunately both Sasuke and Naruto were severely weaked in the fight they had with Fused Shiki.
Pain was small city level with his very strongest attacks, nothing else he had came close. "Far above" is a joke. Characters like Nagato can be argued to take on Characters like Madara, only after the Juubi Jin power ups do we start to even come close to touching country level.
Nothing really suggests Fused Shiki let alone Momoshiki who got tossed around by kage punches and Kinshiki who was exchanging blows with Darui have the ability to tank something that would be able to wipe out all of Los Angeles in one shot. Nothing, at all. Nothing suggests you need this output to harm or damage him, he staggered at a chunin level rasengan and got one shot and tossed through some rocks.
Seriously, wankers and haters are both equally bad.
Why do you attribute someone liking a show to how strong they think the characters are? Quit projecting, I like Naruto because of it's world and possibilities, not because I think HURDUR THEY CAN BLOW UP MOONS AND CIRCLE EARTH 7 TIMES IN ONE SECOND.
Just because I'm aware of the power levels of the show does not make me a "hater". You're projecting. Hard. Remove your emotions from this debate, and remove your emotions from the powerlevels of characters in a comic book.
At this point in the show, yes he is. To EoS Ichigo, these characters are absolute fodder, to the Ichigo that fought Ulquiorra, Ulquiorra became fodder in that very fight.
This explosion has a real quantifiable given size unlike any explosion ever seen in the entirety of Naruto.Fodder level Ichigo crushes the entire potency of it's explosion in his bare hands.
No one argues Naruto characters beat Bleach characters in physicals. The top tiers beat the other top tiers in different ways. This is all pretimeskip.
Toneir went a much larger distance, at higher speeds, and would have kept going if not for that cliff he hit.
You're really just talking to talk lol.
Ichigo went through multiple pillars of stone and showed no signs of stopping and got interupted by another kick presumably just as hard.
Toneri gets punched and stops at one wall of moon rocks. Somehow Toneri has the better durability feat out of this, and Naruto has the better striking feat out of these two. Interesting.
Please show me a scan of a Bleach Low tier replicating this feat with their fist only.
Fodder stronger than Sakura and that one Kage that punched Kinshiki through some treesFodder demonstrates how he's fodder to fodder.
Anything past this is where Toneri gets physically one shot.
Previous fodder who stopped the previous fodder that is already stronger than 95% of the Naruto cast physically gets physically overwhelmed by more fodder.two more fodder clash
I'm literally barely even touching the post timeskip with this one dude. They have feats physically that trump these.
Ichigo is way more than 10 times stronger at this point lmfao. The physical showings in Naruto are not the strong point of the verse at all.
@iusemycajonas: Lol City level Momoshiki, what's next? Street level Naruto?
The fact that Momoshiki was hurting Sasuke and Naruto puts him above most Bleach characters.
Naruto characters have been far above city level since Pein.
Nice ABC logic but unfortunately both Sasuke and Naruto were severely weaked in the fight they had with Fused Shiki.
Pain was small city level with his very strongest attacks, nothing else he had came close. "Far above" is a joke. Characters like Nagato can be argued to take on Characters like Madara, only after the Juubi Jin power ups do we start to even come close to touching country level.
Nothing really suggests Fused Shiki let alone Momoshiki who got tossed around by kage punches and Kinshiki who was exchanging blows with Darui have the ability to tank something that would be able to wipe out all of Los Angeles in one shot. Nothing, at all. Nothing suggests you need this output to harm or damage him, he staggered at a chunin level rasengan and got one shot and tossed through some rocks.
Seriously, wankers and haters are both equally bad.
Why do you attribute someone liking a show to how strong they think the characters are? Quit projecting, I like Naruto because of it's world and possibilities, not because I think HURDUR THEY CAN BLOW UP MOONS AND CIRCLE EARTH 7 TIMES IN ONE SECOND.
Just because I'm aware of the power levels of the show does not make me a "hater". You're projecting. Hard. Remove your emotions from this debate, and remove your emotions from the powerlevels of characters in a comic book.
Toneri went barely a larger distance, with no giant pillar resistance at all and only had to fight air resistance, as soon as a wall of rocks showed up he immidiately stops and doesn't even break far into the wall.
and based on the anime version of those scenes he was going faster too.
and ah yes, the budget of the Naruto movie indeed was higher than that of that specific scene in the bleach anime. Not too sure what you're even trying to do here.
in physicals? Toneri doesn't even come close, and would take significant damage from all of those strikes. I'd hope he could beat Pre Timeskip Bleach characters LMAO.
Toneri went barely a larger distance, with no giant pillar resistance at all and only had to fight air resistance, as soon as a wall of rocks showed up he immidiately stops and doesn't even break far into the wall.
and based on the anime version of those scenes he was going faster too.
and ah yes, the budget of the Naruto movie indeed was higher than that of that specific scene in the bleach anime. Not too sure what you're even trying to do here.
in physicals? Toneri doesn't even come close, and would take significant damage from all of those strikes. I'd hope he could beat Pre Timeskip Bleach characters LMAO.
Unsubstantiated. You're using the crappy budget of the Bleach anime to prove this point. You're grasping for some pretty extreme straws with this one buddy.
This is pretty derpy. Are you done? Please be done. Concede. There's no way you're arguing that because the Naruto Movie budget was bigger than the Bleach anime for that one scene, Naruto punches harder than Grimmjow kicks.
Despite on panel the recepient of the kick being Ichigo who is already multi city block level in physicals as a lowball and him flying through 2 entire stone pillars. You are showing an extreme lack of knowledge on physics and life in general here guy.
This same baseball would bounce right off a tree trunk. How much does Toneri weigh? Lets get some real calcs on this punch because it can easily be calced if you resort to using anime flow to gague the power of this attack.
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