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#1 Edited by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio
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Rules

  • Manga feats for both
  • Both bloodlusted
  • Both at the peak of their power.
  • No jobbing.
  • Demon King has the Ruler
  • Start 50 meters apart on an indestructable battle field.

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#2 Posted by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

DK in a mismatch

Why would you give him all the commandments?

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5c60dc252a2af (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

DK in a mismatch

Why would you give him all the commandments?

This. Feels like spite.

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#4 Posted by deactivated-5c9011bc9c6e9 (616 posts) - - Show Bio

Reiatsu crush gg

Ichigo gets stomped he can't hurt him

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#5 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

DK in a mismatch

Why would you give him all the commandments?

Removed commandments.

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#6 Posted by shirso (4471 posts) - - Show Bio

DK hard counters physical characters like Ichigo unless we see a limit for The Ruler

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#7 Posted by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

Even with the changed OP, I still don’t feel like ichigo wins.

We don’t really know how Meliodas managed to injure him, so as it stands, ichigo gets stomped eventually.

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#8 Posted by zxc6 (659 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo can do nothing to him

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#9 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

DK low-mid diff.

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#10 Posted by Keneth911 (171 posts) - - Show Bio

DK

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#11 Posted by ElderElijah190 (2044 posts) - - Show Bio

Dk one-shot.

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#12 Posted by SkySanji (4896 posts) - - Show Bio

Dk ragdolls

"You couldn't even handle my offspring foolish boy"

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#13 Posted by FaradaySloth (10089 posts) - - Show Bio

DK only wins because of the Ruler, take that out and he gets one-shotted.

Too bad for Ichigo.

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#14 Posted by GXrevs06 (4778 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo bodies him. He swatted away a hado 90(an attack that distorts time and space) like it was nothing, took a mountain level Fraggor to face with barely a scratch and was obliterating entire mountains with just the pressure from his casual swings. Mel cut his his arm and Ichigo is well above him, so he shouldn't have any issues

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#15 Edited by SkySanji (4896 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06 said:

So many things wrong with this post..

Ichigo bodies him. He swatted away a hado 90(an attack that distorts time and space)

To create a unquantifiable Gravity attack

like it was nothing, took a mountain level Fraggor to face with barely a scratch

Go reread or rewatch his arm got burned, what are you on about?

and was obliterating entire mountains with just the pressure from his casual swings.

Entire mountains!?

It was a Hill and he only shaved off the top of it:

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If you want to call it a mountain whatever but don't say he destroyed the entire thing..

Mel cut his his arm and Ichigo is well above him, so he shouldn't have any issues

What kind of logic is this?

You would have to prove Ichigo is above Mel....

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#16 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: Mountain level is nothing to DK. Ichigo is a good deal above mountain level too, so I don't know why you brought up vaping "mountains".

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DK is large hill/small mountain sized and he casually sliced away an area of this size. A casual slice from DK should be at least multimountain. He should scale to AT LEAST multimountain anyways. DK still has broken hax too.

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#17 Edited by diydeath (2541 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: If it distorts time and space to any major degree, then it's fairly quantifiable since we know how much gravity it takes to do that (thanks to Black Holes).

This is furthered by Ichigo's shockwaves evaporating half a small mountain (take your dumb not a mou tain crap elsewhere, national geological survey states mountains start at 1000ft and you are most certainly not qualified to challenge the official critera) and being able to completely blitz Aizen in his butterfly form.

Mel has no physical feats on par with evaporating half a small mountain with air pressure alone. The closest he has is the twig feat in which he busts a small mountain, which is vastly less impressive than evaporating.

So by scaling, since we know that Ichigo is supposed to have reclaimed his dangai levels of power somewhere between true shikai and HoS+true bankai, Ichigo is physically superior to Mel.

So logically,if Mel's physical attack can cut the DK, Ichigo just might lop an arm off.

Not saying who wins, don't know enough about Ruler, just pointing out that Ichigo is difinitively Mel's physical superior come the EoS.

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#18 Edited by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at fragor being only “mountain” level

do you guys even bleach?

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#19 Posted by deactivated-5c9011bc9c6e9 (616 posts) - - Show Bio

Mel has no feats or scaling to put him above eos Ichigo but lets if that changes

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#20 Posted by Madscientist224 (1460 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, after reading the not a mountain thing again, I'm good.

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#21 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at fragor being only “mountain” level

do you guys even bleach?

It can only be realistically scaled to multimountain. The damage that it caused was only mountain level.

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#22 Posted by FaradaySloth (10089 posts) - - Show Bio

^Attack dwarfing mountain ranges = "mountain level"

lol

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#23 Edited by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio
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It can only be realistically scaled to multimountain. The damage that it caused was only mountain level.

Don’t you worry mate. I even put In some circles cuz I know how hard it can be to figure these things out.

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Unfortunately, I don’t feel like addressing Lanza‘s issue again.

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#24 Edited by SkySanji (4896 posts) - - Show Bio

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@skysanji: If it distorts time and space to any major degree, then it's fairly quantifiable since we know how much gravity it takes to do that (thanks to Black Holes).

Only the attack didn't completely form in the manga

Also Aizen's attack is not a blackhole..

This is furthered by Ichigo's shockwaves evaporating half a small mountain (take your dumb not a mou tain crap elsewhere, national geological survey states mountains start at 1000ft and you are most certainly not qualified to challenge the official critera) and being able to completely blitz Aizen in his butterfly form.

Salty much?

What does any of this have to do with Hado 90?

Prove the hill was 1000 ft.

Mel has no physical feats on par with evaporating half a small mountain with air pressure alone. The closest he has is the twig feat in which he busts a small mountain, which is vastly less impressive than evaporating.

Lol you do realize you are now Comparing BOS Meliodas without a sword to Dangai Ichigo let that sink in.

So by scaling, since we know that Ichigo is supposed to have reclaimed his dangai levels of power somewhere between true shikai and HoS+true bankai, Ichigo is physically superior to Mel.

Already went over this you just compared BoS Meliodas with a twig to Dangai Ichigo, lmao I'm deceased

Even Unsealed Meliodas vastly outstats him...

So logically,if Mel's physical attack can cut the DK, Ichigo just might lop an arm off.

Not by your logic..

Not saying who wins, don't know enough about Ruler, just pointing out that Ichigo is difinitively Mel's physical superior come the EoS.

No. As you've just proven...

Get ridiculed.

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#25 Posted by Wanderez (1959 posts) - - Show Bio

@diydeath:

Well, if im not mistaking the gravity completely erased a building, no?

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#26 Posted by Wanderez (1959 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo by feats and mostly scaling is above Mel in the strenght department+he has vaporization. Not sure who wins though.

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#27 Edited by deactivated-5c9011bc9c6e9 (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: So you say the rock formations in Naruto that are barely twice the size of trees are mountains, but here when they are multiple times bigger than nearby trees they are only hills, a little bit hypocritical don't you think?

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#28 Posted by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

By scaling DK is Country Level and Ichi is Continent+ Level. Ichi wins.

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#29 Posted by SkySanji (4896 posts) - - Show Bio

@smokak said:

@skysanji: So you say the rock formations in Naruto that are barely twice the size if trees are mountains, but here when they are multiple times bigger than nearby trees they are only hills, a little bit hypocritical don't you think?

That is the only scan that gets brought up to lowball Naruto mountains to hill sized....

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#30 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4795 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo one shots The Ruler wasn't shown working on physical damage.

and iTS aN nLf, wHAt iF gALctUS AtTaCkeD hIM. Still haven't figured out why Galactus is the go to character when arguing against NLFs.

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#31 Posted by deactivated-5c9011bc9c6e9 (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: The scan you posted that gets posted every time this is mentioned trying to compare Ichigo's and Aizen's height to the mountain makes no sense considering we have no idea how far or close they are to it.

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#32 Posted by deactivated-5c531dce659a2 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

@smokak: they weren't far and a mountian starts at 200m and that's a small af mountian, this wasn't even close to the 200m mark.

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#33 Posted by deactivated-5c531dce659a2 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

Fragor is Mountain+ though it's not mountain range level though. But it's definitely multi Mountian.

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#34 Posted by FaradaySloth (10089 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel:

"dawnt u no dat blec mootains r hells????"

"Bleach takes part in our world, so mountains there are actually mountains"

"skrew u brah ichigon iz hell levl @ BEAST"

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#35 Posted by ourmanuel (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

@smokak said:

@skysanji: The scan you posted that gets posted every time this is mentioned trying to compare Ichigo's and Aizen's height to the mountain makes no sense considering we have no idea how far or close they are to it.

This

Don't people get how perspective works?

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#36 Posted by deactivated-5c9011bc9c6e9 (616 posts) - - Show Bio

@vummax: How far were they? both the aerial scans from naruto and bleach the mountains and trees surrounding them look the same, but one scan from naruto showing they are smaller is considred inconsistency, one scan from bleach showing them smaller that's just their size deal with it, I'm not targeting you or sky specifically just what I see happen often.

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#37 Posted by deactivated-5c531dce659a2 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: Ichigo (dangai) is pasted mountian because of Fragor not that "mountian" slashing feat

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#38 Edited by Godren (3786 posts) - - Show Bio

I love when people try to scale feats that quantifiably require math based off what they're looking at. Like when SkySanji told me Franky had Mountain+ durability based off a mushroom cloud lmao.

That basic fragor is above Mountain level simply due to the fact it vaporized the area and miles below it.

Ichigo sublimating that mountain is not hill level, do you know how much energy is required to do that with a parry?

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#39 Posted by GXrevs06 (4778 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: Mountain level is nothing to DK. Ichigo is a good deal above mountain level too, so I don't know why you brought up vaping "mountains".

DK is large hill/small mountain sized and he casually sliced away an area of this size. A casual slice from DK should be at least multimountain. He should scale to AT LEAST multimountain anyways. DK still has broken hax too.

Ichigo's feat is head and shoulders above anything Mel or the DK has done. The DK cut through mountain by physically making contact. Ichigo completely evaporated a mountain with just the air pressure of his swing alone. The latter is a more impressive

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#40 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18100 posts) - - Show Bio

The Demon King is probably stronger, and with The Ruler he definitely wins.

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#41 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4795 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss:

Theres no type of scaling you can use for both characters where the DK comes out on top and The Ruler hasn’t worked on physical damage.

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#42 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18100 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: The Ruler was stated to turn all negative affects to positive, pretty sure it works on physicals. And this is the Demon King at the peak of his power, so he is at least 2x stronger than he was when fighting Meliodas and Ban,.

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#43 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4795 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss:

That was regarding Ban’s fox hunt. Physical attacks were never addressed they just weren’t on his level for those 60 years.

And that still wouldn’t put him anywhere near Ichigo in power.

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#44 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18100 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest:

That was regarding Ban’s fox hunt. Physical attacks were never addressed they just weren’t on his level for those 60 years.

Meliodas said "all manner of attacks."

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The Demon King has pretty good physicals anyways.

His swing>dangai Ichigo's.

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However I can possibly see EOS Ichigo's physicals being higher due to scaling off of Kenpachi's feat, but even then the Demon King should have high level regen like other demons, plus his ability the ruler.

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#45 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4795 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss:

Yet when Hawk’s brother attacked him he only said it couldn’t pierce his skin not that it made him stronger.

He was actually attacking with that swing Ichigo did his feat effortlessly with a parry and Dangai scales to Kenpachi who’s feat is above anything in NNT. The DK’s regen isn’t going to save him.

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#46 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3628 posts) - - Show Bio

@worldofruin6 said:

It can only be realistically scaled to multimountain. The damage that it caused was only mountain level.

Don’t you worry mate. I even put In some circles cuz I know how hard it can be to figure these things out.

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Unfortunately, I don’t feel like addressing Lanza‘s issue again.

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Those mountains Aizen destroyed were hills. Look above and the anime says enough. You are using the manga scans because the size was obscure considering we never got this top view. Fragor has mountain level DC and multimountain potency at most.

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#47 Posted by weebbicboi (1455 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo solos the verse

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#48 Posted by Lordflawlez (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth:

Dude what would it ever take for you to agree a nnt is more powerful than a bleach character?

You always have something to say or a complaint to make and all that crap

Dk fodderize Ichigo along with 99 percent of bleach

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#49 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo wins.

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#50 Posted by EcoBlitz (5104 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: except I’m seeing wrongly in those same scans you posted trees are about the size or taller than those “mountains”