ichigo and renji vs yamamoto

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Ichi solocarries

Ichigo should have no problems, as long as Yama doesnt start in Bankai, but i'd assume he does, because of the pic in the OP.

Ichigo using his true power wins without any difficulty.

Ichigo has no heat resistance feats though... sun level heat GG.

@wot_m8:

Ichigo has no heat resistance feats though... sun level heat GG.

Tanking Fraggor is a great heat resistance feat. Saying he doesn’t have any is objectively false.

What he doesn’t have is a sun level heat resistance feats but he doesn’t need them because he easily outclasses Yamma in terms of Reiatsu the base of their power which translates to the their durability.

@wot_m8: a battle between shinigami is a battle between reiastu and ichigo wins

@whatamiseeing: @leothegreatest: I was being sarcastic 😶

But Yama has a hot sword so he should win.

Yama-ji wins.

Renji dies like fodder and Ichigo carries

How? He’ll never tag ichigo with anything

Yama was taking down captain level foes like fodder, Ichigo and Renji don’t have feats on yamas level, even with scaling.

Yama was confirmed to have beaten Yhwach while Ichigo got fodderized GG.

Ichigo solos.

does not work like that, if ichigo reaitsu is that much higher than Yamamoto all he would need is to use 1 hand to cancel out Yamamoto Attack, like he did with Grimmjow Grand Rey Cero or Ulquiorra Cero/Lanza.

only hax ability can bypass reaitsu power/difference, Yamamoto is a Fire base attack.

@raziel2014: proof he has a higher Reiatsu than Bankai Yama?

I'm going with Yama, only because both Ichigo and Renji like to start fight in CQC which gives Yama the chance to one shot either, if he starts in Bankai.

@invadedtbd:

Just like characters can tank Yamma’s Ryujin Jakka by being relative to Yamma, characters stronger than him can tank Zanka no Tachi.

It would oneshot Renji but Ichigo would no sell it.

@leothegreatest: I don't know if I agree that Ichigo would no-sell it.

Off-topic: what did you mean by Ichigo will use his true power? (Pm me if you don't wanna go into detail here)

Uhhhh...you know what's kind of funny about this?

Ichigo has tanked lightning from Candice (Galvano Blast Chapter 582, pages 1-15) which was stated to have 5 gigajoules. That makes it comparable to natural lightning. And natural lightning is hotter than the sun.

So true shikai Ichigo is probably enough to beat Bankai Yamamoto.

Renji's useless, but it doesn't matter as Ichigo is enough.

Also, for those saying that Ichigo doesn't have higher Reiatsu than Yama: Only one here is a Soul King candidate and lvl being, and it isn't Yama nor Renji.

Ichigo solos and kills Renji as well for being a fodder

Ichigo solos by scaling and hype

Yamamoto solos both of them by actual feats.

Renji is fodder, why's he even here?

So it’s between Ichigo and OMG. Ichigo should stomp but Yama’s Bankai would one shot Ichigo if he lands a hit. Renji “Jobberai” has Zabimaru broken into pieces again.

Ichigo carries.

Ichigo stomps via feats, scaling, hype and logic

@diydeath: yeah i forgot about that lol thanks for the details pm me and i need your help with a fight

EOS Ichigo roflstomps yama as renji gets passively soul crushed by his teammate. Prime yama should have a chance due to defeating yhwach but old man Yama got fodderized by a base yhwach with no almighty and no soul king or other quincies absorbed. Ichigo wrecks

Gonna be honest Renji is heavily underestimated for some reason. He's easily yama level if not a tad higher post RG training. Yama bankai hax is too much for renji though

That said ichigo still solos

what is renjji doing here

Ot: ichigo stomps both of them

Renji is fodder compared to both.

EoS Ichigo > Yama

Its been shown over and over in Bleach, that having greater spiritual pressure than your opponent doesn't counter weaker spiritual pressure abilities as Yhwach was affected by KS, Aizen was affected by underbelly more like contradictions on Kubo's part, no doubt bcuz of short time constraints for drawing, storyline and whatnot. OT Ichigo gets vaped if Yama ji starts in Bankai.

Even if that wasn't the case, Ichigo has literally no-sold 5 gigajoule lightning, which is about as hot as the sun, so Yama's bankai is literally going to be useless vs Ichigo who will no sell the heat via feats, never mind that he has more spiritual energy to an absurd degree which is going to further mitigate the damage and potential to use blut vene.

Yama's bankai to Ichigo is going to be like us sitting in a warm bath.

@diydeath: You talking Candice? Anyways I agree wit the "lightning" thing, I also used that to say Naruto would survive ZnT wit scaling like that, but I dont remember her lightning being that powerful, u got scan? also his blut isnt even mastered IIRC

Yep, Candice. I've a post from several moths ago earlier in the thread with the chapter and page numbers. Blut is just a cherry on top, Ichigo would give Yama a bored look and as if he's done yet, lol.

EOS Aizen is not much weaker than Yhwach they are in fact on the same spectrum of power, even if Yhwach is stronger it would be like a average Captain vs another average Captain, be it EOS Aizen, Yhwach or Ichigo they are all Transcendent beings, Aizen was already a being that surpass Shinigami reaitsu with his Butterfly Stage which is 2 evolutions ago.

Shinigami Aizen has comparable reaitsu to Yamamoto which is why he could hypnotize everyone in SS so the difference between God tiers and top shinigami is quite huge as in Ant vs Human large.

in Bleach Reaitsu is Akin to Power level in DBZ which in essence means overall power, hax or OP abilities are the only thing that can close this gap but even then if the gap is too wide just pressure alone can render your enemies useless -> Aizen vs Grimmjow.

@raziel2014: but.. but underbelly working on Aizen?!

one-arm Yama? Gonna have to give it to MC

aizen was tie to a chair and did nothing to stop it, he did not care much for it.

The Underbelly (無防備 (ザ・アンダーベリー), Za Andāberī; Japanese for "Defenseless"): NaNaNa can analyze the Reiatsu of a target over a certain period of time, allowing him to determine an opponent's spiritual power distribution. After doing so, he imprints his epithet letter onto his target and uses it to form a grid pattern, which he dubs his "Morphine Pattern" (モーフィーン・パターン, Mōfīn Patān). The grid allows him to pinpoint the holes in a target's Reiatsu and attack them, increasing their size until the target's Reiatsu depletes. This allows him to paralyze and knock them out.

this kind of power falls under Hax, it will work as long as his enemy is not perfect being in this case aizen being sealed and tied to a chair would obviously have weakness in his reaitsu distribution, but it also has its downfall as it requires time, the longer he analyzes the more effective it is.

Nanana himself is not very powerful, he got insta killed by Bazz-b who is comparable to Renji.

think of Kamui, even a god damn Genin can harm kaguya with it.

@raziel2014: how was Aizen not a "perfect being" when a casual flex of his reiatsu brought down SK's palace when suppressed on that chair?? it was his palace right?

So basically Ichigo vs Yamamoto, Toss up, Ichigo can't tank Yamamoto's hits, It comes down to who hits first, and ichigo is faster. My money is on Ichigo.

Ichigo vs Yamamoto has been done and Ichigo wins, he is way too fast for the old man, so he attacks first and one shots him, gg. If Yamamoto had prep time to go bankai and use all of his abilities first, he has a chance. But even than if Ichigo just shot at him the Gran Ray Cero + Getsuga Tensho combination, I have no idea how would he ever survive it. It's the attack that Almighty version of Yhwach struggled with. It should one shot Yama through any shields and techniques he can possibly think of. Both in a speed contest and in a contest of sheer power, Ichigo stomps Yamamoto.