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Who wins ?

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Ichibei names him 'loser' and automatically wins.

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#3  Edited By great_black_star

Ichibei has no showing of DC, except for hax which is practically useless in other verse characters whose power doesn't come with name LOL

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Hmm what ?

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Acnologia is so dark the gets practically stomped by Ichibei.

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Ichibe passively crush acno.

Tho , somebody or something with black color , is the worst matchup for Ichibe , Ichibe no diff.

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Acno is black sooooooooooooooo.................

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Acnologia stomps

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#11  Edited By AlexTheBoss

@great_black_star said:

Ichibei has no showing of DC, except for hax which is practically useless in other verse characters whose power doesn't come with name LOL

This argument would only apply to Ichibei's removing name power. If he gave a name like "black ant" there is no reason that wouldn't work, as that is an addition of a conceptual power, rather than taking away the power of a name.

Also if you want to use that argument, Acnologia can't see Ichibei due to him being a soul.

As for DC, Ichibei's potency should at least be island level considering how he was kicking base Yhwach's butt around.

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Ichibē takes away Acnologia's N word pass.

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Ichibe wins via hax

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I'll go with the one who was trolling pre-almighty Yhwach without even using his bankai. Acno's DC is going to be meaningless against an opponent much smarter (Acno = brain-dead) and capable of negating his abilities.

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base Ichibei scales above Bankai Yamamoto which is more than enough to slap side acnologia, shikai and Bankai arent needed.

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Ichibei easily stomps.

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@great_black_star said:

Ichibei has no showing of DC, except for hax which is practically useless in other verse characters whose power doesn't come with name LOL

This argument would only apply to Ichibei's removing name power. If he gave a name like "black ant" there is no reason that wouldn't work, as that is an addition of a conceptual power, rather than taking away the power of a name.

Also if you want to use that argument, Acnologia can't see Ichibei due to him being a soul.

As for DC, Ichibei's potency should at least be island level considering how he was kicking base Yhwach's butt around.

Has Ywach ever destroyed island with kick?

Bleach is a series which kind of weird obsession with name. Knowing name and not knowing makes drastic differences. And you don't simply gives names in Bleach, names comes with power and ability. So I think Ichibei's ability will be quite useless in other verse.

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Ichibei.

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@alextheboss said:
@great_black_star said:

Ichibei has no showing of DC, except for hax which is practically useless in other verse characters whose power doesn't come with name LOL

This argument would only apply to Ichibei's removing name power. If he gave a name like "black ant" there is no reason that wouldn't work, as that is an addition of a conceptual power, rather than taking away the power of a name.

Also if you want to use that argument, Acnologia can't see Ichibei due to him being a soul.

As for DC, Ichibei's potency should at least be island level considering how he was kicking base Yhwach's butt around.

Has Ywach ever destroyed island with kick?

Bleach is a series which kind of weird obsession with name. Knowing name and not knowing makes drastic differences. And you don't simply gives names in Bleach, names comes with power and ability. So I think Ichibei's ability will be quite useless in other verse.

You are achieving masterful levels of misinterpretation regarding Ichibei's powers.

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@great_black_star:

Has Ywach ever destroyed island with kick?

No, but Yhwach scales to island level if not higher. Gremmy's meteor was going to destroy the seireitei, which is country sized based off of statements, and Kenpachi one shot it. If you want to ignore size statements and only go by visuals, that still puts Kenpachi at mountain+ level. Yhwach should at least be on par with them and Ichibei was kicking him around and would have erased him from existence with his power if Yhwach didn't get the almighty at the end. You can argue Ichibei doesn't have the DC to bust a island, but he is able to fight on par with characters who should be around island level.

Bleach is a series which kind of weird obsession with name. Knowing name and not knowing makes drastic differences. And you don't simply gives names in Bleach, names comes with power and ability. So I think Ichibei's ability will be quite useless in other verse.

But if he writes a name on someone, his verse's logic should then apply to them, as it's his power of naming someone, not just his verses' power.

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Ichibei was given the ability to name and give power to everything in Bleach verse by the one who split the universe in to two different realities the Prime Soul King. Yeah, Ichibei has total control over names in his verse or anywhere else.

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@kingxix said:

@babyholdmyhand: lol he didn't split any universe you troll

Reio created the concepts of life and death when he was rejected into existence by the old universe who he separated into one of Kishi (matter) and the other is made of Reishi (spiritual matter). Reio created Hueco Mundo from the ashes of a planet size Menos Grande and he also created Soul Society and the world of the living. Reio separated the old world that existed before he came into existence into 3 realities and Yhwach’s goal was to undo his fathers creation. Reio did all of this with his own Almighty ability. Read Bleach: CFYW if you want to know more or wait for the anime to come out to see it.

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@babyholdmyhand: it should be more like dimensional creation like kaguya does. But it will good if you can give some scans on that

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@kingxix said:

@babyholdmyhand: it should be more like dimensional creation like kaguya does. But it will good if you can give some scans on that

You can go through the whole thing by yourself instead of expecting others to do the research for you. In this case, you're the one who needs education and is uniformed. I don't remember the exact pages, as not all the info that @babyholdmyhand is posted in one single chapter but the story itself focus on Detective Hisagi finding out the truth about the Original Sin that Aizen rebelled against Soul Society, the Soul King a.k.a. Reio and all the races fighting a common foe. It is a good read. So far there's been multiple fan translations as the official viz English translation comes this summer.

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@great_black_star:

Has Ywach ever destroyed island with kick?

No, but Yhwach scales to island level if not higher. Gremmy's meteor was going to destroy the seireitei, which is country sized based off of statements, and Kenpachi one shot it. If you want to ignore size statements and only go by visuals, that still puts Kenpachi at mountain+ level. Yhwach should at least be on par with them and Ichibei was kicking him around and would have erased him from existence with his power if Yhwach didn't get the almighty at the end. You can argue Ichibei doesn't have the DC to bust a island, but he is able to fight on par with characters who should be around island level.

Bleach is a series which kind of weird obsession with name. Knowing name and not knowing makes drastic differences. And you don't simply gives names in Bleach, names comes with power and ability. So I think Ichibei's ability will be quite useless in other verse.

But if he writes a name on someone, his verse's logic should then apply to them, as it's his power of naming someone, not just his verses' power.

Here is the problem.

1. Has Ywach ever displayed any physical strength feats that suggest he is above Kenpachi? Kenpachi is a brute, while Ywach is all about hax. That scaling of yours doesn't make sense.

2. Look I am not against Ichibei's power working in other verse, in such battle it should work otherwise that will be a massive nerf. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of all Bleach fan who argue till death, that Genjutsu shouldn't work on other verse. It was a sarcastic comment, and you all taking it seriously.

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@alextheboss said:

@great_black_star:

Has Ywach ever destroyed island with kick?

No, but Yhwach scales to island level if not higher. Gremmy's meteor was going to destroy the seireitei, which is country sized based off of statements, and Kenpachi one shot it. If you want to ignore size statements and only go by visuals, that still puts Kenpachi at mountain+ level. Yhwach should at least be on par with them and Ichibei was kicking him around and would have erased him from existence with his power if Yhwach didn't get the almighty at the end. You can argue Ichibei doesn't have the DC to bust a island, but he is able to fight on par with characters who should be around island level.

Bleach is a series which kind of weird obsession with name. Knowing name and not knowing makes drastic differences. And you don't simply gives names in Bleach, names comes with power and ability. So I think Ichibei's ability will be quite useless in other verse.

But if he writes a name on someone, his verse's logic should then apply to them, as it's his power of naming someone, not just his verses' power.

Here is the problem.

1. Has Ywach ever displayed any physical strength feats that suggest he is above Kenpachi? Kenpachi is a brute, while Ywach is all about hax. That scaling of yours doesn't make sense.

2. Look I am not against Ichibei's power working in other verse, in such battle it should work otherwise that will be a massive nerf. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of all Bleach fan who argue till death, that Genjutsu shouldn't work on other verse. It was a sarcastic comment, and you all taking it seriously.

The Light Novel said that Gremmy killed himself because he forgot to make a body that could hold Kenpachi's power and Gremmy is the second strongest Quincy below Yhwach who defeated and sealed Gremmy in a cage. Gerard lost to Yhwach and Kenpachi was having a hard time against Gerard. Pick one.

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Still ichibei. Kek

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@great_black_star:

Here is the problem.

1. Has Ywach ever displayed any physical strength feats that suggest he is above Kenpachi?

He blocked post royal guard training Ichigo's sword strike with his bare arm. That version of Ichigo was said to be dangai tier. He also ripped the mountain sized soul palace in half with a casual pull of his arm.

Kenpachi is a brute, while Ywach is all about hax. That scaling of yours doesn't make sense.

Yhwach isn't just about hax, his hax is just the most dangerous thing about him. He doesn't randomly have physicals below his pay grade. Even the copy of Yhwach stomped Kenpachi earlier in the arc and blocked his sword strike with his arm. Yeah, that was a much weaker version of Kenpachi, but it was also a fake Yhwach, and Yhwach gut a buff since then from absorbing sternritter. Point being, Kenpachi has never showed he was low in the physical department.

2. Look I am not against Ichibei's power working in other verse, in such battle it should work otherwise that will be a massive nerf. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of all Bleach fan who argue till death, that Genjutsu shouldn't work on other verse. It was a sarcastic comment, and you all taking it seriously.

How would I know that's what you meant? This thread isn't even about Naruto characters and genjutsu was never brought up.

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Ichibei quite easily.

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@great_black_star said:
@alextheboss said:

@great_black_star:

Has Ywach ever destroyed island with kick?

No, but Yhwach scales to island level if not higher. Gremmy's meteor was going to destroy the seireitei, which is country sized based off of statements, and Kenpachi one shot it. If you want to ignore size statements and only go by visuals, that still puts Kenpachi at mountain+ level. Yhwach should at least be on par with them and Ichibei was kicking him around and would have erased him from existence with his power if Yhwach didn't get the almighty at the end. You can argue Ichibei doesn't have the DC to bust a island, but he is able to fight on par with characters who should be around island level.

Bleach is a series which kind of weird obsession with name. Knowing name and not knowing makes drastic differences. And you don't simply gives names in Bleach, names comes with power and ability. So I think Ichibei's ability will be quite useless in other verse.

But if he writes a name on someone, his verse's logic should then apply to them, as it's his power of naming someone, not just his verses' power.

Here is the problem.

1. Has Ywach ever displayed any physical strength feats that suggest he is above Kenpachi? Kenpachi is a brute, while Ywach is all about hax. That scaling of yours doesn't make sense.

2. Look I am not against Ichibei's power working in other verse, in such battle it should work otherwise that will be a massive nerf. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of all Bleach fan who argue till death, that Genjutsu shouldn't work on other verse. It was a sarcastic comment, and you all taking it seriously.

The Light Novel said that Gremmy killed himself because he forgot to make a body that could hold Kenpachi's power and Gremmy is the second strongest Quincy below Yhwach who defeated and sealed Gremmy in a cage. Gerard lost to Yhwach and Kenpachi was having a hard time against Gerard. Pick one.

None of them were physically as strong as Kenpachi. Gremmy was hax with no impressive physical feat, Gerald was also hax, he was hanging with Kenpachi due to his regenration and hax only. Otherwise Kenpachi was slicing him up like a butter.

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Here is the problem.

1. Has Ywach ever displayed any physical strength feats that suggest he is above Kenpachi?

He blocked post royal guard training Ichigo's sword strike with his bare arm. That version of Ichigo was said to be dangai tier. He also ripped the mountain sized soul palace in half with a casual pull of his arm.

Kenpachi is a brute, while Ywach is all about hax. That scaling of yours doesn't make sense.

Yhwach isn't just about hax, his hax is just the most dangerous thing about him. He doesn't randomly have physicals below his pay grade. Even the copy of Yhwach stomped Kenpachi earlier in the arc and blocked his sword strike with his arm. Yeah, that was a much weaker version of Kenpachi, but it was also a fake Yhwach, and Yhwach gut a buff since then from absorbing sternritter. Point being, Kenpachi has never showed he was low in the physical department.

2. Look I am not against Ichibei's power working in other verse, in such battle it should work otherwise that will be a massive nerf. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of all Bleach fan who argue till death, that Genjutsu shouldn't work on other verse. It was a sarcastic comment, and you all taking it seriously.

How would I know that's what you meant? This thread isn't even about Naruto characters and genjutsu was never brought up.

It was just said and thats all, there is no feat to support it. Even if that was true, do you think that Dangai Ichigo is physically superior to this Kenpachi?

Yeah, its not a Naruto thread but whenever I see bleach defenders, I get reminded of it. Can't help it though.

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@great_black_star:

It was just said and thats all, there is no feat to support it.

True, and I was apprehensive of it before as well, but there are multiple statements sating it, and his power even in shikai impressed the captains who already felt bankai Kenpachi, so it is probably true.

Even if that was true, do you think that Dangai Ichigo is physically superior to this Kenpachi?

I think dangai Ichigo and shikai Kenpachi are on a similar level. Kenpachi might be a bit stronger, but Ichigo has his getsuga tenshou to match him. Yhwach completely no sold Ichigo's getsuga strike. Even if you want to argue his raw physicals are lower than shikai Kenpachi's at that point, his overall power should at least be similar if not higher.

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@great_black_star:

It was just said and thats all, there is no feat to support it.

True, and I was apprehensive of it before as well, but there are multiple statements sating it, and his power even in shikai impressed the captains who already felt bankai Kenpachi, so it is probably true.

Even if that was true, do you think that Dangai Ichigo is physically superior to this Kenpachi?

I think dangai Ichigo and shikai Kenpachi are on a similar level. Kenpachi might be a bit stronger, but Ichigo has his getsuga tenshou to match him. Yhwach completely no sold Ichigo's getsuga strike. Even if you want to argue his raw physicals are lower than shikai Kenpachi's at that point, his overall power should at least be similar if not higher.

I don't think captains were comparing with Kenpachi at that moment. They might be surprise at how IChigo manage to do that.

I am just being skeptical here, coz I don't get the vibe that Ywach is physically as strong as Kenpachi or Dangai Ichigo, coz he hasn't shown any comparable feat physically. I still think among the SHinigami and quincies, Kenpachi is still at top when it comes to physical strength.

Ichibei scaling is just way too much far fetch anyway, and IChibei wasn't using only is physical but others abilities to push Ywach back, while he take advantage of surprised Ywach to attack him.

Anyway, this argument is pointless, as I already said Ichibei's hax should work, which he can use to win here.

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#36  Edited By Zuriel-el

All the people saying ichibies hax will work on acnologia are just unserious, whatsthe point of giving him a new name when he can just bisect acno with a casual swing of his asauchi. Just ridiculous.

Thats like saying Bruce banner needs to become the hulk to kill an ant.

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@great_black_star: Fake Yhwach defeated Kenpachi with brute force and I don't believe that Kenpachi was above Yamamoto or Ichibei.

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#38  Edited By WhatIsWritten

idk why u guys still entertain black star, obvious winner is obvious

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Look guys, The debate should be, would it be wrong for ichibei to make barbecue out of acnologia, since he is technically human?

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@zuriel-el: neither of them are humans

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Ichibei stomps anyone in Fairy tail in a 1on1 fight. He and Yhwach have at most like the best hax ability in the whole Hst verse.

He can just use his power to take everything left from Acno, making him to a ant(powerwise) and stomping him into the ground. Ichibei is just to hax for any Fairy tail Character so.

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Acnologia should be able to eat his hax, and his physicals are better than his.

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Ichibei fodderizes