Iceman vs Superman

Superman's heat vision matched, then overpowered the absolute zero blasts of Captain Cold, so Ice Man doing it is no go.

Superman inhaled Etrigan's gas vapor attack then expelled it with no problem, so he will have no problem inhaling Drake if he turns into vapor, then super speed rushing to a Black Hole or the sun itself and depositing the X-man into either of those items.

A character that has the durability feats Supes has (including withstanding a supernova "50 times bigger than Keppler's supernova" despite simultaneously being in a Sun Eater and receiving withering blasts of red sun radiation for an extended time, or absorbing a half a galaxy destroying amount of ANTI sunlight and SMILING afterwards) is not going to be affected by anything Drake does.

On the slightest chance any of Ice Man's attacks could affect him, Superman can super speed away or vibrate to intangibility, making anything Drake tried completely useless and moot.

Most likely, Superman's on panel nanosecond, fraction of a nanosecond, attosecond, and faster than advanced alien thought combat speed feats means he KO's Drake before this poor man's abominable snowman can blink.

Translation: SUPERMAN WINS.

She absorbed his life energy lol she didn't freeze him

@keyboardthug9: I still don't see why he couldn't freeze him at absolute zero

We both know he didn't. Freezing over hell is impressive, but stopping an exploding reactor isn't something that should be difficult for someone who accomplishes those feats he had with the Death Seed.

First off Superman can't phase not in new 52 2ndly he doesn't have attosecond reactions you dumb moron stop confusing Superman with Flash.

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iceman stomps easily if he cuts lose, superman beats the regular holding back iceman though.

I don't see how Superman could kill Iceman, even if Iceman's entire body got destroyed, he could easily reform it from the water vapor around him. He could reform his body from water vapor around. In the most recent run, he basically intentionally turns vapor and reform at will, he could even reform inside a person's body and tearing Superman's body from the inside. While Superman's body is durable, I don't know if his digestive system is just as hard, you can't digest anything if your organ is hard as steel. Iceman did kill people when he gets really angry, drawing off all the moisture out of a person and killing him. If he gets pushed too far, Iceman can be very dangerous.

Bump...could this be a tie? Only if we look at full potential Bobby is it a tie...possibly

supes blitz stomp

Blitz doing what exactly? Iceman can reform or even intentionally turn himself into vapor. How could Superman kill Iceman? What if Iceman enter Superman's body and start to form icicle inside him?

Ice-Man

Ice Man stomps Clark hard.

It's an issue of Red Hood and the Outlaws where Superman gets his body filled with some sort of foam and he just increases his body temperature to utterly vaporize it.

He notes he can just alter his body temperature to be as hot as the Sun.

Bobby's cooling can *reach* absolute zero. Most Chemistry labs can *reach* within 3 degrees of absolute zero. There's nothing impressive about it from a chemistry or physics standpoint, the hard part is being able to observe absolute zero without, well, pushing it *just* above absolute zero.

The next time Bobby winks out something as hot as the sun with an internal fusion power source is the next time I think he can legitimately damage Superman.

Also, Killer Frost -Caitlyn Snow- is capable of overcoming the humorously powerful fusion reactor that is Firestorm. She's his archnemesis... She has literally depowered him before through sheer heat absorption.

When's the last time Bobby even *fought* an energy projector/matter manipulator on the level of Firestorm?

Iceman's ability to regenerate or use his powers are often shown to be dependent on moisture in the area, he's been left helpless with his head cut off in the X-Mansion but casually reforming and creating giant versions when in pools of water.

If Superman uses his heat vision it would remove practically all moisture from the area.

You're assuming that Superman knows about Iceman's ability to reform and his potential. Iceman has already stated that he could reform inside people's body, how would Superman knows beforehand to counter that? By the time that happens, it would be too late for Superman as Iceman could have pierced his body from the inside or absolute zero him. At absolute zero, his brain, his mind would freeze, there can't be any activity as every single atom of Superman no longer moves, he wouldn't be able to heat up the body if Iceman absolute zero him. Heat vision would evaporate the area, pushing the vapor to somewhere else, but it would just be temporary as vapor would quickly return to fill in the void due to diffusion. Anyway, when was the head cut off? When was Iceman first shown his ability to return to his human form as vapor? It's usually depending on the writer like Punisher not being affected by Penance Stare. I kinda want to know the scans and the period of the scans. Iceman has demonstrated his reform ability several times without body of water, so I want to see the explanation and what the writer said about it, it could just be the lack of the writers' understanding of the characters which go against the more common showing of that character. It would be strange for someone who could casually flash freeze the entire Manhattan, an Omega mutant, freezing gods to not being about to reform just by having his head cut off when he has shown to be able to be able to reform his body many times without body of water. As of the most recent, he didn't need any body of water to reform, he turns into vapor willingly and reform before do an absolute zero attack on Jug.

Iceman ftw

Bobby wins

@poeticwarrior:

You're assuming that Superman knows about Iceman's ability to reform and his potential.

No, I am going with the idea that an intelligent character would use heat vision against an opponent made of ice

Iceman can't lose

lmao exactly. I got an education on the potential of Bobby's powers a few months back and its given me a whole new respect for him but Superman would wash him

Meant to quote this lol

Iceman.

Which still wouldn't kill him. At most, it evaporates iceman, but it's something he does willingly, he could reform from the atmosphere. Heat vision doesn't remove water molecules, it's just evaporating it at most and diffusion would return the water vapor quickly . I'm more referring to Superman's knowledge about Iceman reforming from Superman's insides, piercing his organ or absolute zero him from the inside. Absolute zero would stop superman from heating up his body as every single molecule of Superman would stop moving. It's different from encasing a person in ice. At absolute zero, there wouldn't be any brain activity and every atom that made up Superman would simply stop. Iceman at his upmost limit couldn't be killed while there are ways for Iceman to stop Superman. I would say he win.

Iceman.

Prime Iceman is seriously, seriously underrated.

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Freezes Legion solid.

Freezes a nuke explosion.

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Claims on a good day he can reach absolute zero very fast and does so against Juggy.

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Transmutes Ice to water

Freezes hell over

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Can attack is mist (and can turn into mist)

My persona favorite but not really relevant: scares the hell out of Thor. xD

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Can teleport, has regeneration and size manipulation.

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Freezes an entire city instantly, is omnipresent.

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Can create "force fields", travel in space and freeze internal organs.

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Tanks a hit from Mjolnir, ice is sharp enough to impale Thor through his armor.

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Freezes Thor and teleports several X-Men against their will.

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Creates a massive explosion with his punch

I can keep going, there's some other stuff I left out...but yeah...

The Iceman Cometh

How can Superman break from absolute zero degree temperature? Iceman wins

Iceman wins, if he plays his cards right.

Superman stomps him

Superman wins.

Superman whoops him.

@diydeath: Like hell Iceman is underrated, people think he's omnipotent. He wins 90% of fights on CV

Yeah, funny how people mistake his limited omnipresence for omnipotence. He wins lots because people underrate him and place him against either bad matchups or vs people he outclasses. In this case it's a bad match up.

I think the issue comes down to Superman's lacking the ability to permanent down Iceman, as he has been shot, his body destroyed, he could reform and turn into mist and vapor. During the recent fight with Jug in the new Iceman solo, he turned into vapor intentionally reform and then do an absolute zero attack right after, freezing and stop the speed of light itself as he puts it.

He could reform as water vapor inside your body, even if you crush him. He intentionally turn into mist when he got grabbed. He could do an absolute zero attack and freezes the molecules around the area or freezing the speed of light. I don't think Superman has a counter to Iceman. While it's true superman could melt him, but water vapor can reform quickly and he could freeze hell over in a flash freeze. Melt iceman doesn't remove vapor, and you could never remove water vapor permanently just by heating it as diffusion would make vapor filled back into the area quickly. Iceman could turn into vapor and pierce superman on the inside as he wanted to do to Jug or he could absolute zero him. Iceman is hard to find a good battle against simply because he's like Midnighter, the fight is decided simply by good or bad matchup. I just notice how often Jug has been used as a punching bag for Iceman. lol

@poeticwarrior said:

@diydeath said:

@amendment50 said:

@diydeath: Like hell Iceman is underrated, people think he's omnipotent. He wins 90% of fights on CV

Yeah, funny how people mistake his limited omnipresence for omnipotence. He wins lots because people underrate him and place him against either bad matchups or vs people he outclasses. In this case it's a bad match up.

I think the issue comes down to Superman's lacking the ability to permanent down Iceman, as he has been shot, his body destroyed, he could reform and turn into mist and vapor. During the recent fight with Jug in the new Iceman solo, he turned into vapor intentionally reform and then do an absolute zero attack right after, freezing and stop the speed of light itself as he puts it.

He could reform as water vapor inside your body, even if you crush him. He intentionally turn into mist when he got grabbed. He could do an absolute zero attack and freezes the molecules around the area or freezing the speed of light. I don't think Superman has a counter to Iceman. While it's true superman could melt him, but water vapor can reform quickly and he could freeze hell over in a flash freeze. Melt iceman doesn't remove vapor, and you could never remove water vapor permanently just by heating it as diffusion would make vapor filled back into the area quickly. Iceman could turn into vapor and pierce superman on the inside as he wanted to do to Jug or he could absolute zero him. Iceman is hard to find a good battle against simply because he's like Midnighter, the fight is decided simply by good or bad matchup. I just notice how often Jug has been used as a punching bag for Iceman. lol

He can also instantly freeze the blood in your body. Superman isn't winning.

No he can't reform, it's too hot, his power is heavily dictated by the surrounding atmosphere

The age of Apocalypse Iceman, an alternate timeline Bobby who was both more aggressive and had reached his peak power levels first

yet he ends up getting killed in a furnace

Which falls in line with Bobbys struggle to reform if the area doesn't suit his needs

I'm more referring to Superman's knowledge about Iceman reforming from Superman's insides, piercing his organ or absolute zero him from the inside.

He has never done this and secondly he says it as if he needs to get inside him first.

Given what has killed him or can kill he's probably dead when a morals off Superman scorches the area.

Iceman can turn himself into moisture right?cant he go into clark's nostrils and freeze his lungs or something? Gut feeling says superman

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@dextersinister1 said:

@poeticwarrior said:

@dextersinister1 said:

@poeticwarrior:

You're assuming that Superman knows about Iceman's ability to reform and his potential.

No, I am going with the idea that an intelligent character would use heat vision against an opponent made of ice

Which still wouldn't kill him. At most, it evaporates iceman, but it's something he does willingly, he could reform from the atmosphere. Heat vision doesn't remove water molecules, it's just evaporating it at most and diffusion would return the water vapor quickly . I'm more referring to Superman's knowledge about Iceman reforming from Superman's insides, piercing his organ or absolute zero him from the inside. Absolute zero would stop superman from heating up his body as every single molecule of Superman would stop moving. It's different from encasing a person in ice. At absolute zero, there wouldn't be any brain activity and every atom that made up Superman would simply stop. Iceman at his upmost limit couldn't be killed while there are ways for Iceman to stop Superman. I would say he win.

No he can't reform, it's too hot, his power is heavily dictated by the surrounding atmosphere

The age of Apocalypse Iceman, an alternate timeline Bobby who was both more aggressive and had reached his peak power levels first

yet he ends up getting killed in a furnace

Which falls in line with Bobbys struggle to reform if the area doesn't suit his needs

I'm more referring to Superman's knowledge about Iceman reforming from Superman's insides, piercing his organ or absolute zero him from the inside.

He has never done this and secondly he says it as if he needs to get inside him first.

Given what has killed him or can kill he's probably dead when a morals off Superman scorches the area.

AoA Iceman incident was pure PIS. A fire like that can't dry out enough of the immediate area enough to prevent moisture from forming. Bobby just conveniently forgot how to use his power, he was nowhere near his prime since he 1) allowed himself to get thrown into an oven and 2) didn't teleport/transfer consciousness.

The other scans weren't of full power Iceman either, or Iceman was jobbing. At his peak, which was with the seed (since it made Bobby use his powers properly), he was well beyond that jobber limitation.

superman iceman will just be annoying to him

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@dextersinister1: all you posted doesn't really apply to current iceman, he litrally regenerates any where via thoughts ,he is now making use of his full power.

Iceman. If his powers can hurt a cosmic being like the stranger, I'm sure he could do a lot worse to superman.

this is still being discussed? Lol still iceman

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Iceman freezes speed of light , prevents photons from being created and instantly withdraws and depletes solar energy from

Superman`s body for few seconds. Then freezes Superman`s molecules at absolute zero.

Also there is no way to put down Bobby with Superman`s powers.

GGEZ 4 Bobby

Iceman. How does Superman even win

If Superman has no morals, he should take this.