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#1 Edited by xtreme1 (4106 posts) - - Show Bio
  • No prep.
  • Fight starts visible and 100 feet apart in an unoccupied field.
  • Win by kill, KO, or incapacitation. Both are willing to kill.
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#3 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (12630 posts) - - Show Bio

This would likely be a stalemate.

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#4 Posted by xtreme1 (4106 posts) - - Show Bio

Any other thoughts?

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#5 Posted by LunaticRedEyes (256 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate or iceman

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#6 Posted by icecold14 (6767 posts) - - Show Bio

stalemate or Iceman

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#7 Posted by damage32 (169 posts) - - Show Bio

Spectrum wins.

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#8 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

This would likely be a stalemate.

Stalemate or iceman

stalemate or Iceman

These.

MR Can become pure light and travel at light speed.

IM can become 1 with the water molecules on the planet making it impossible to kill him unless you can planet bust.

Since neither have TP,soul manipulation,or planet busting powers this will most likely end in stalemate.

Only way to get a winner is if IM made the entire planet's temp absolute zero and MR didn't leave the planet.

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#9 Posted by icecold14 (6767 posts) - - Show Bio

@sophia89: couldnt have said it better myself :)

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#10 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by myerlanski (2487 posts) - - Show Bio

What sophie and icecold said...

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#12 Edited by cosmoman (362 posts) - - Show Bio

Thinking Monica takes this, via UV/X-ray/Gamma Radiation bombardment breaking down nearby H2O bonds (even in our own atmosphere). This should permanently put Bobby down.

Rambeau is the only light speed character of the two (IM's feats of speed are not as consistent) and Iceman has only been shown to reform from moisture directly around so he'll have nothing to reform from if she bombards the area enough.

Monica FTW.

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#13 Edited by TourneyMaster (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

MR wins. she can planet bust and nearly did so Ultimate Marvel Earth during the beginning of Secret Wars.

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So she can win with no counter.

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#14 Posted by Supermanthor (21221 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by Yamiyodare (1597 posts) - - Show Bio

Composite Iceman Curbstomps or Monica Rambeau wins without really trying.

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#16 Posted by EternalDarkFury (2531 posts) - - Show Bio

Composite Iceman Curbstomps or Monica Rambeau wins without really trying.

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#17 Posted by Aqualion0 (2259 posts) - - Show Bio

Iceman simultaneously exists in every water particle across planet and can reform as long as there is single molecule of moisture around him. He was able to disintegrate organic/inorganic matter and extremly durable beings like Thor via molecular moisture conversion. I highly doubt if Monica has answer against that. Furthermore , Bobby has shown to literally freeze photons and redirect it as ice blast which practically makes her energy physiology including light-form useless in combat.

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#18 Posted by cosmoman (362 posts) - - Show Bio

@aqualion0 said:

Iceman simultaneously exists in every water particle across planet and can reform as long as there is single molecule of moisture around him. He was able to disintegrate organic/inorganic matter and extremly durable beings like Thor via molecular moisture conversion. I highly doubt if Monica has answer against that. Furthermore , Bobby has shown to literally freeze photons and redirect it as ice blast which practically makes her energy physiology including light-form useless in combat.

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To be fair and transparent, the underlined (Nigh omni-present/Thor-buster) feats were only accomplished with help from Apocalypse's amp.... Which of course isn't available here:

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And the focusing of Absolute zero around a slow character is one thing, but what about lightspeed characters? Much less someone who can dodge 100+ Lightspeed attacks at once like Monica. Monica is consistently on another plane of speed than Iceman, he'd be lucky to catch even some of her while she has ways of putting him down for good (Photodissacociation via UV/X-ray/Gamma Ray bombardment).

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#19 Posted by del_torro (3792 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate.

Also Iceman has had his consciousness spread over a wide area in Xmen forever which was years before astonishing X-Men.

Plus he's been show to be able to slow down light, so however you want to interpret that.

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#20 Posted by Aqualion0 (2259 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmoman: That was portion of Apocalypse seed which didn't amp him rather freed his mind to access full potential. Iceman could spread his consciousness 13 years before Astonishing X-Men was published. Monica can't hurt Iceman.

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#21 Posted by katrurius17 (1302 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by Noone1996 (12041 posts) - - Show Bio

I highly doubt Iceman has ever frozen energy. Monica wins.

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#23 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (9480 posts) - - Show Bio

Monica

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#24 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11945 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmoman: also regarding the Death Seed, even when he had it taken away and Mystique had it he was still operating on a planetary scale.

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#25 Posted by Poltragyst (56 posts) - - Show Bio

Monica

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#26 Posted by HellionVulcan (7277 posts) - - Show Bio

People act like Iceman has to be able to react to her when all he has to do is actively freeze the water in her body or her energy form from a distance not to mention he could ice nuke her.

I highly doubt Iceman has ever frozen energy. Monica wins.

Absolute zero dead stops everything including whatever energy form Monica takes, he can even freeze light now so he has numerous ways of dealing with her.

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#27 Posted by del_torro (3792 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996: Hellionvulcan is right. Iceman has frozen energy blasts from the stranger

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#28 Posted by LordOfFate (1482 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate or Monica

She faster then the speed of light and all his attacks are pretty much frozen in time to her. Plus add in the fact she invisible and blends into the natural light around, to the point Magneto cant find here.

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#29 Posted by DoctorDaMn (986 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate or Monica... Way to fast and can planetbust if necessary.

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#30 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@sophia89: monica could hit the earth at light speed destroying it like she was going to do when the 2 earths were going to collide

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#31 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (1801 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Posted by HellionVulcan (7277 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan: how is he going to freeze something he can't see?

Like Iceman has stated.

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He doesn't need to see you to freeze you as his powers allow him to know where everything is naturally.

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#33 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan: I don't see where he says that in the scan you posted...

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#34 Posted by HellionVulcan (7277 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan: I don't see where he says that in the scan you posted...

The hallway remark as he knew their locations inside the house without ever seeing them as he psionically senses the world around him and he'd do the same with Monica.

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#35 Edited by LordOfFate (1482 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, what?!? He can sense people around him because of the heat our bodies naturally gives off.

Monica can blend into the natural light around her...how would he sense that? As a matter of fact, she can fly around the world 8 times before he gets off his first thought.

Also, Monica can easily find Bobby as she has cosmic awareness and found Galactus recovering in a pocket dimension created by Molecule Man.

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#36 Posted by CaptainSweatpan (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan: finding those guys and finding an opponent moving at light speed (speeds his brain hasn't shown to be able to comprehend) are two different things

And how fast has he shown to freeze things? Please don't say instantly because that's not an adequate unit of speed when light speed is part of the conversation, if monica starts getting frozen at a snails pace in her perspective she could just turn intangible or multiply herself and move away

Just saying

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#37 Posted by green_skaar (12548 posts) - - Show Bio

Monica

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#38 Edited by cosmoman (362 posts) - - Show Bio

@aqualion0 said:

@cosmoman: That was portion of Apocalypse seed which didn't amp him rather freed his mind to access full potential. Iceman could spread his consciousness 13 years before Astonishing X-Men was published. Monica can't hurt Iceman.

Underlined: Um, scans?

Because from what i gathered that seed actually did amp Iceman, which is openly admitted in the book. Ergo Iceman's feats are invalid.

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Bolded: Monica could actually destroy Iceman via Photodissociation (seperation of Water molecules via UV/X-ray/Gamma Radiation). And where "13 years" prior did Iceman transfer consciousness across the globe?

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#39 Posted by cosmoman (362 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmoman: also regarding the Death Seed, even when he had it taken away and Mystique had it he was still operating on a planetary scale.

I don't recall this sadly. He could make giant versions of himself, sure, but nothing planetary.

Scans?

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#40 Posted by deactivated-5cd70a60bb551 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

I am not sure how Bobby even perceives Monica. She is as fast as light, can turn into any form of energy and can be invisible and undetectable to anyone.

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#41 Posted by EternalDarkFury (2531 posts) - - Show Bio

This is interesting.

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#43 Posted by HellionVulcan (7277 posts) - - Show Bio
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#44 Posted by HellionVulcan (7277 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmoman said:

@supremegeneration said:

@cosmoman: also regarding the Death Seed, even when he had it taken away and Mystique had it he was still operating on a planetary scale.

I don't recall this sadly. He could make giant versions of himself, sure, but nothing planetary.

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He still had the planet under his power until the very end of the last issue, it's why at the end when Iceman and Wolverine are having a conversation and Iceman admits he could do it all again and no one could stop him. You also forget that Iceman disintegrated Thor and the X-men after the seed was removed too as his range of powers is well unstoppable depending on his morals.

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@cosmoman said:
@aqualion0 said:

@cosmoman: That was portion of Apocalypse seed which didn't amp him rather freed his mind to access full potential. Iceman could spread his consciousness 13 years before Astonishing X-Men was published. Monica can't hurt Iceman.

Underlined: Um, scans?

Because from what i gathered that seed actually did amp Iceman, which is openly admitted in the book. Ergo Iceman's feats are invalid.

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Bolded: Monica could actually destroy Iceman via Photodissociation (seperation of Water molecules via UV/X-ray/Gamma Radiation). And where "13 years" prior did Iceman transfer consciousness across the globe?

and we go into the comic where it's confirmed it didn't amp his powers in the slightest.

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#45 Posted by HellionVulcan (7277 posts) - - Show Bio

@captainsweatpan said:

@hellionvulcan: finding those guys and finding an opponent moving at light speed (speeds his brain hasn't shown to be able to comprehend) are two different things

And how fast has he shown to freeze things? Please don't say instantly because that's not an adequate unit of speed when light speed is part of the conversation, if monica starts getting frozen at a snails pace in her perspective she could just turn intangible or multiply herself and move away

Just saying

How fast can he freeze things at absolute zero, the speed isn't stated but it's quick. It makes me wonder does Monica have any feats of her form being absolute zero'd or her atoms being frozen at that temperature since Proxima Midnight was able to tag Monica during Infinity (IIRC) so it's likely Iceman can tag her too.

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#46 Edited by cosmoman (362 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan said:

He still had the planet under his power until the very end of the last issue, it's why at the end when Iceman and Wolverine are having a conversation and Iceman admits he could do it all again and no one could stop him. You also forget that Iceman disintegrated Thor and the X-men after the seed was removed too as his range of powers is well unstoppable depending on his morals.

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Your scans speak for themselves, he was apparently never amped other than mentally. Impressive, meaning the claim he would respawn anywhere in the world is valid... and problematic. Doubt he could get through Monica's Photodissociation however, or even catch her for that matter (as I've shown she can dodge 100's of light speed attacks at once).

Underlined: Yeah... that never happened, they were transported under the Ice but it never stated they were "Disintegrated". Scan?

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How fast can he freeze things at absolute zero, the speed isn't stated but it's quick. It makes me wonder does Monica have any feats of her form being absolute zero'd or her atoms being frozen at that temperature since Proxima Midnight was able to tag Monica during Infinity (IIRC) so it's likely Iceman can tag her too.

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Underlined: Monica has no record of ever being slowed down by absolute zero in my experience. Matter of fact she has been shown to freeze others to absolute zero with no effect on her own body (that was touching said victim).

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Bolded: P.M. putting down Monica is not applicable for Iceman as he does not utilize the same abilities (in this case Black Light, which moves at light speed and is consistent). Iceman is still far too slow for this battle.

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#47 Posted by HellionVulcan (7277 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmoman: Your scans speak for themselves, he was apparently never amped other than mentally. Impressive, meaning the claim he would respawn anywhere in the world is valid... and problematic. Doubt he could get through Monica's Photodissociation however, or even catch her for that matter (as I've shown she can dodge 100's of light speed attacks at once).

The problem is has she ever used photodissociation against any one the caliber of Iceman ?.

Underlined: Yeah... that never happened, they were transported under the Ice but it never stated they were "Disintegrated". Scan?

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He moved them by disintegrating them and reforming them and that's what makes morals off Iceman such a beast.

Underlined: Monica has no record of ever being slowed down by absolute zero in my experience. Matter of fact she has been shown to freeze others to absolute zero with no effect on her own body (that was touching said victim).

Still she has no feats of resisting Iceman's level of attacks in human form or as energy.

Bolded: P.M. putting down Monica is not applicable for Iceman as he does not utilize the same abilities (in this case Black Light, which moves at light speed and is consistent). Iceman is still far too slow for this battle.

wasn't consistent against Captain America as he managed to react to them and block one or two of them, I can see Iceman being able to slow her due to her atoms which he can freeze psionically.

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#48 Edited by CaptainSweatpan (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan: Proxima tagging her is PIS, Monica is confirmed light speed

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#49 Posted by HellionVulcan (7277 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan: Maxima tagging her is PIS, Monica is confirmed light speed

She never missed a single person she threw her spear at iirc and like the user said above; it's black light which is light speed+.

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#50 Edited by cosmoman (362 posts) - - Show Bio

@hellionvulcan said:

The problem is has she ever used photodissociation against any one the caliber of Iceman ?.

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He moved them by disintegrating them and reforming them and that's what makes morals off Iceman such a beast.

Still she has no feats of resisting Iceman's level of attacks in human form or as energy.

wasn't consistent against Captain America as he managed to react to them and block one or two of them, I can see Iceman being able to slow her due to her atoms which he can freeze psionically.

Photodissociation has nothing to do with Caliber it is a breakdown on the sub-atomic scale. It separates Hydrogen from Oxygen, And Iceman has only shown control over H2O itself (Atomic) and not it's parts (Sub-Atomic), therefore ending the fight.

Underlined: That scan says nowhere that they WERE truly disintegrated, just that they allegedly could have been. So it never happened.

Iceman can't effect Monica in energy form, she's intangible to physical matter (even absolute 0 as ive shown). So how can he touch her?

Consistenly doesn't mean everytime, it means most times, like in my scan. I can post endless Lightspeed level speedster feats for Monica, that is called consistent. You can't post even 5 lightspeed scans for Iceman, that is called Inconsistent. Also light doesn't have Atoms to freeze, it is a photon (energy) and not Matter. He can not freeze her and my scan shows Absolute 0 does nothing to her mobility.