iceman vs huma torch

Dreadnaught says:

"Done to death. Iceman wins every time. "

I think that if Torch went supernova on him, he would die. But yeah, Iceman wins pretty much every time.

Iceman is way above human torch in power levels

what do you think?

Done to death. Iceman wins every time.

Sparda says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Done to death. Iceman wins every time. "

I think that if Torch went supernova on him, he would die. But yeah, Iceman wins pretty much every time."

Absolute Zero>Supernova. That's a fact. Absolute zero can freeze stars for pete's sake!

Dreadnaught says:

"Try someone on firestorm's or firelord's level. "

as far as I know firestorm would win there so don't worry doing that thread.

Besides it was done like one week ago so don't worry doing that thread.

Try someone on firestorm's or firelord's level.

It has been done? Ah. That changes everything.

Dreadnaught says:

"Absolute Zero>Supernova. That's a fact. Absolute zero can freeze stars for pete's sake!"

sorry... what?

Absolute Zero can freeze stars?

if i wasn't so busy laughing my ass off as the incongruity of that statement i would blast a ton of physics on to this page to prove you wrong.

Star's exist in space and a make up of plasma which is permanently going through nuclear fusion (not fission which is used in nuclear power plants, don't get them mixed up, they're two completely different things)

if a star goes Supernova, there is not a damn thing you could do to stop it, even attempting to freeze it with someone like Iceman's powers would be like a fly trying to put out a 50 meters tall bonfire by blowing on it.

a Supernova is the most destructive event in this galaxy barring a Black Hole, they can wipe out entire solar systems, perhaps more depending on how large the star is.

M
Post Edited:2007-12-02 20:59:39

Methos says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Absolute Zero>Supernova. That's a fact. Absolute zero can freeze stars for pete's sake!"

sorry... what? Absolute Zero can freeze stars? if i wasn't so busy laughing my ass off as the incongruity of that statement i would blast a ton of physics on to this page to prove you wrong. Star's exist in **space** and a make up of plasma which is permanently going through nuclear fusion *(not fission which is used in nuclear power plants, don't get them mixed up, they're two completely different things)* if a star goes Supernova, there is not a damn thing you could do to stop it, even attempting to freeze it with someone like Iceman's powers would be like a *fly* trying to put out a meter tall bonfire by blowing on it. a Supernova is the most destructive event in this galaxy barring a Black Hole, they can wipe out entire solar systems, perhaps more depending on how large the star is. M"

Dreadnaught says:

"Absolute zero freezes all. All motion at any level stops. Period. Even the tiniest vibrations stop. "

true...

but since Nuclear Fusion doesn't need motion to happen, that doesn't do dick to a supernova...

absolute zero is –273.15°C

the Boomerang Nebula, with a temperature of –272.15°C, or 1 K, is the coldest place known outside a laboratory. The nebula is 5000 light-years from Earth and is in the constellation Centaurus.

and starts quite happily burn away there, if fact IT'S A NEBULA, WHERE STARS ARE BORN, and anyone that says 1°C is going to make any difference at all to a star, is seriously smoking something illegal.

M

I don't think Iceman would win that easily if at all. The central stars of planetary nebulae are the hottest known stars and even they only reach temperatures of 250,000 Kelvin which is 449,540 degrees fahrenheit (less than half of torchs maximum output). A study took thermite which is only 5432 degrees and pitted it "against" liquid nitrogen -324 degrees and the thermite totally incinerated the liquid nitrogen and the cannister it was stored in. Considering torchs output is 184 times hotter than thermite I think Torch might be able to incinerate Drake even while he is totally frozen.

Gladius Prime says:

"I don't think Iceman would win that easily if at all. The central stars of planetary nebulae are the hottest known stars and even they only reach temperatures of 250,000 Kelvin which is 449,540 degrees fahrenheit (less than half of torchs maximum output). A study took thermite which is only 5432 degrees and pitted it "against" liquid nitrogen -324 degrees and the thermite totally incinerated the liquid nitrogen and the cannister it was stored in. Considering torchs output is 184 times hotter than thermite I think Torch might be able to incinerate Drake even while he is totally frozen."

Torch can only reach 1,000,000 degrees F.

Torch WINS!!

Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"I don't think Iceman would win that easily if at all. The central stars of planetary nebulae are the hottest known stars and even they only reach temperatures of 250,000 Kelvin which is 449,540 degrees fahrenheit (less than half of torchs maximum output). A study took thermite which is only 5432 degrees and pitted it "against" liquid nitrogen -324 degrees and the thermite totally incinerated the liquid nitrogen and the cannister it was stored in. Considering torchs output is 184 times hotter than thermite I think Torch might be able to incinerate Drake even while he is totally frozen."

Torch can only reach 1,000,000 degrees F."

Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AsserEstriplet.shtml

ponders just deleting the thread because of the sheer amount of BS that is being posted under the pretense of physics

M

Okay one Methos said dick

Two Im just trying to get the thread locked, So yeah it can frezze stars.

Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

Final Arrow says:

"Okay one Methos said dickTwo Im just trying to get the thread locked, So yeah it can frezze stars."

I say Dick all the time...

i'm always in the Nightwing threads...

M

and everyone ignores my posts about stars being able to exist in absolute Zero...

hello... person with actual degree in physics here...

please, actually pay attention in a thread when someone proves you right or wrong

M

Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

That's" />http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AsserEstriplet.shtml"

The point is that Torchs million degree output is hotter than the surface of the hottest start! Thermite at a comparatively low temperature of 5432 degrees incinerates liquid nitrogen, so how can you possibly think that Torchs nova blast isn't going to turn drake into steam?

Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

That's" />http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AsserEstriplet.shtml"

That's surface temp. Not core temp. "

And drake can easily reform.

Methos says:

"Final Arrow says:

"Okay one Methos said dickTwo Im just trying to get the thread locked, So yeah it can frezze stars."

I say Dick all the time...

i'm always in the Nightwing threads...

M"

LMAO

And to note. Drake can reform as long as there is water for him to make ice out of. Even if it's in vapour/steam form.

Final Arrow says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

That's" />http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AsserEstriplet.shtml"

That's surface temp. Not core temp. "

The point is that Torchs million degree output is hotter than the surface of the hottest start! Thermite at a comparatively low temperature of 5432 degrees incinerates liquid nitrogen, so how can you possibly think that Torchs nova blast isn't going to turn drake into steam?"

And drake can easily reform. "

Then how come everyone said he could easily reform in the Ice man vs Superman thread?

Methos says:

"and everyone ignores my posts about stars being able to exist in absolute Zero... hello... person with actual degree in physics here... please, actually pay attention in a thread when someone proves you right or wrong M"

OWNED!!!!

Methos says:

"and everyone ignores my posts about stars being able to exist in absolute Zero... hello... person with actual degree in physics here... please, actually pay attention in a thread when someone proves you right or wrong M"

OWNED!!!!

Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

That's" />http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AsserEstriplet.shtml"

That's surface temp. Not core temp. "

The point is that Torchs million degree output is hotter than the surface of the hottest start! Thermite at a comparatively low temperature of 5432 degrees incinerates liquid nitrogen, so how can you possibly think that Torchs nova blast isn't going to turn drake into steam?"

What actually no, he almost died refroming once and that was from being broken, reforming from steam is harder in fact, Myestic had to give him mouth to mouth, to keep him alive!!!!

Dreadnaught says:

"And to note. Drake can reform as long as there is water for him to make ice out of. Even if it's in vapour/steam form. "

and in a Supernova, even steam is reduced to it's composite atoms due to the quantum nature of plasma...

after a Supernova, there in nothing coming back from it...

M

Gladius Prime says:

"Final Arrow says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

That's" />http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AsserEstriplet.shtml"

That's surface temp. Not core temp. "

The point is that Torchs million degree output is hotter than the surface of the hottest start! Thermite at a comparatively low temperature of 5432 degrees incinerates liquid nitrogen, so how can you possibly think that Torchs nova blast isn't going to turn drake into steam?"

And drake can easily reform. "

What actually no, he almost died refroming once and that was from being broken, reforming from steam is harder in fact, Myestic had to give him mouth to mouth, to keep him alive!!!!"

Everyone has been suped up recently.

Final Arrow says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

That's" />http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AsserEstriplet.shtml"

That's surface temp. Not core temp. "

The point is that Torchs million degree output is hotter than the surface of the hottest start! Thermite at a comparatively low temperature of 5432 degrees incinerates liquid nitrogen, so how can you possibly think that Torchs nova blast isn't going to turn drake into steam?"

And drake can easily reform. "

Cause they where fan boys!!!!!!

Final Arrow says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Torch WINS!!"

Note the sun Can reach 27,000,000 degrees F at it's core so your wrong again. And also Yellow dwarf's *Which are the most likely to have inhabited planets* are not the hottest stars known. That is the Blue Supergiant. And they can reach billions of degrees kelvin at their cores. "

That's" />http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AsserEstriplet.shtml"

That's surface temp. Not core temp. "

The point is that Torchs million degree output is hotter than the surface of the hottest start! Thermite at a comparatively low temperature of 5432 degrees incinerates liquid nitrogen, so how can you possibly think that Torchs nova blast isn't going to turn drake into steam?"

And drake can easily reform. "

I didn't think Iceman was powerful enough to reform his body from steam!! Most of his molecules would be destroyed. I was going to call BS on that but I wasn't sure if he had been suped up to that level or not.

chaoticsymbiote5 says:

"what do you think?"

DUDE ITS BEEN DONE 80 TIMES

chaoticsymbiote5 says:

"what do you think?"

DUDE ITS BEEN DONE 80 TIMES

Darth Balls says:

"DUDE ITS BEEN DONE 80 TIMES"

I don't care about the actual battle...

I'm fighting against the complete gall and stupidity of Dreadnaught for saying...

1. Stars can't exist as absolute zero = complete BS

2. Iceman could freeze a Supernova = complete BS

3. Iceman could survive a Supernova = complete BS

M

Darth Balls says:

"chaoticsymbiote5 says:

"what do you think?"

DUDE ITS BEEN DONE 80 TIMES "

Someone who sees clarity in his thoughts at last!

So in conclusion Iceman gets his a$$ destroyed by Torch.

Gladius Prime says:

"So in conclusion Iceman gets his a$$ destroyed by Torch."

Lets see Omega level mutant vs Some hot head. I go with Omega Level mutant.

there is no way iceman could withstand a supernova...

from a star or from human torch, they are still the same heat and have the same plasmatic nature...

sorry, but iceman is about to get reduced to his composite atoms and completely destroyed in the plasma of the supernova.

M

Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"So in conclusion Iceman gets his a$$ destroyed by Torch."

Lets see Omega level mutant vs Some hot head. I go with Omega Level mutant. "

typical fanboy. Even after you are presented with hard evidence that iceman would lose you stick to your opinion, not because of facts, but because of the title "omega level mutant".

Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"So in conclusion Iceman gets his a$$ destroyed by Torch."

Lets see Omega level mutant vs Some hot head. I go with Omega Level mutant. "

typical fanboy. Even after you are presented with hard evidence that iceman would lose you stick to your opinion, not because of facts, but because of the title "omega level mutant"."

Let's see every time this battle has been done everyone agrees Iceman wins. And Iceman hasn't even reached the potential of his powers. Torch has.

Dreadnaught says:

"Let's see every time this battle has been done everyone agrees Iceman wins. And Iceman hasn't even reached the potential of his powers. Torch has. "

seriously, show me the physics to back that up...

your saying Absolute Zero beats a Supernova...

i have proven several times that it is exactly the opposite that it true...

so either show me some proof, or stop with the stupid fanboyish argument

M

Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"So in conclusion Iceman gets his a$$ destroyed by Torch."

Lets see Omega level mutant vs Some hot head. I go with Omega Level mutant. "

typical fanboy. Even after you are presented with hard evidence that iceman would lose you stick to your opinion, not because of facts, but because of the title "omega level mutant"."

Let's see every time this battle has been done everyone agrees Iceman wins. And Iceman hasn't even reached the potential of his powers. Torch has. "

Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"Dreadnaught says:

"Gladius Prime says:

"So in conclusion Iceman gets his a$$ destroyed by Torch."

Lets see Omega level mutant vs Some hot head. I go with Omega Level mutant. "

typical fanboy. Even after you are presented with hard evidence that iceman would lose you stick to your opinion, not because of facts, but because of the title "omega level mutant"."

Let's see every time this battle has been done everyone agrees Iceman wins. And Iceman hasn't even reached the potential of his powers. Torch has. "

It sounds like to me the only one still thinking iceman would win is you. What does Iceman not reaching his potential yet have to do with a fight taking place NOW? "

Read the recap thread on this. That has plenty of evidence on why Ice man would win. Right now I'm too lazy to pick it up.

OK, let's get off the heat vs. cold topic. I think Methos put that argument to rest. The question is: Can Iceman negate Torch's power as he did to Sunfire? I'd imagine that it would be a similar chemical/ biological process.

Sorry, but I'm far, far too lazy to read the rest of the replies, but can someone tell me approximately how hot a supernova is? I've been wondering that for a while.

Okay how about this Human tourch goes nutz and heats up to max, Burning the Ozone layer away and we are all screwed!