I think Natsu can beat Luffy: Prove me Wrong

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@leo-343 said:

@kingzod:

Since when wasn't it Natsu's as well?

His entire arsenal doesn't revolve purely on hand to hand and he wasn't trained by a hand to hand specialist who battled the most powerful man in his universe with just his fists.

Before I reply let me ask. Do you mean "fist fight" as in luffy, no DF, natsu, no Fire Dragonslayer magic? Just pure skill?

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@leo-343 said:
@kingzod said:
@leo-343 said:

@kingzod:

Since when wasn't it Natsu's as well?

His entire arsenal doesn't revolve purely on hand to hand and he wasn't trained by a hand to hand specialist who battled the most powerful man in his universe with just his fists.

Before I reply let me ask. Do you mean "fist fight" as in luffy, no DF, natsu, no Fire Dragonslayer magic? Just pure skill?

No, I just mean who is the more skilled H2H fighter.

Well then I would have to disagree with you. The reason I back Natsu in skill is because of how he employs his fire dragonslayer magic while fighting. Now I know you've said normal fire doesn't affect Luffy, I agree. Problem is, Natsu's fire isn't normal at all. I mean this dude melted steel by licking it in the early chapters, let's not forget what he so casually did the GMG arena. There was no way Luffy would shrug off the kind of heat Natsu's flames produce. Haki can only hold on for so long unless you have scans of Luffy's Haki protecting him from flames as hot and potent as Natsu's.

Natsu has good combat speed as well as shown in his fight with Laxus, Sting and Rogue and Mard Geer.

I'm not downplaying luffy or anything, I mean he also employs his devil fruit very well in unison with his H2H skills, but to say he would embarrass Natsu in a fist fight is a huge exaggeration if not a downright lie. We've seen both of them show tremendous amount of skill, with Natsu just edging him out. If you want to prove me wrong, I'm right here.

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tbh post time skip natsu has gained the feats to stand up to members of straw hate crew. only real problem is his speed feats are kinda lacking if only we got a quantifiable feat for him then we could gauge where he sits against HST members. if we equalized speed or rounded it to a point where its not uber one handed due to Hiro refusing to give us something to base his speed on. we could infer it to a degree but then it would be either bloated or made smaller based on who did the calcs however, i could legit see him taking wins 1v1 against luffy Natsu has the DC,and the durability to stand up there with him.

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@zangetsusama01: Natsu lost the igneel amp. It's not clear how powerful he is atm

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@natsudragneel41: only problem with that is Luffy is massively faster, much much more stronger physically. Has precognition, and can strengthen himself thanks to Haki.

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@linsanel_doctor: that is true but he still has a pool of unamped feats which cannot be ignored. Btw im not saying he is gonna pull a majority vs luffy but he can win a few battles. i mean he has shown that the amp isnt the only thing different from before with his fights against blue note and ikatsunagi. we get to see his full(non amped) power now hopefully.

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#110  Edited By kyrees

@kingzod said:

I really don't understand what you wanted to acheive with those arguments? Is it versatility

you never understood the on-point comparison of natsu and luffy's skills as a whole and how luffy as a whole is a lot more adept in using his element unlike natsu's "one trick" pony attacks that are essentially one blast attacks.

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@kyrees said:
@kingzod said:

I really don't understand what you wanted to acheive with those arguments? Is it versatility

you never understood the on-point comparison of natsu and luffy's skills as a whole and how luffy as a whole is a lot more adept in using his element unlike natsu's "one trick" pony attacks that are essentially one blast attacks.

THANK YOU AND LUFFY'S IS WAY BETTER QUICKER THINKER THEN ASSPULL NATSU FRIENDSHIP BS

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@zangetsusama01: Natsu lost the igneel amp. It's not clear how powerful he is atm

If you look at it carefully he didn't really lose it. When he did things like one-shot Bluenote with that city busting roar and one-shot Ikatsunagi he still had the bandage wrapped around his arm. Only against Zeref did he actually take it off and start using Igneel's power.

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@kyrees said:
@kingzod said:

I really don't understand what you wanted to acheive with those arguments? Is it versatility

you never understood the on-point comparison of natsu and luffy's skills as a whole and how luffy as a whole is a lot more adept in using his element unlike natsu's "one trick" pony attacks that are essentially one blast attacks.


You never once brought up any sort of comparison in their skill, just how versatile their powers are which wasn't the arguments. Tbh you're making the same mistake I did, mistaking their employment of their powers for their skill. @leo-343 cleared that up for me. So since you were probably aiming for a versatility argument, just know that I agree, of-course Luffy is more versatile.

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@kingzod: you infringed too much on leo's case on hand to hand combat. mine is overall combat skills and that's not versatility, that is considered skill

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I completely agree with what is said.

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@kingh: just because his name is natsudragneel has nothing to do with it because say for instance i have the name MasterChief_117, and there was a battle between master chief and deathstroke. Master chief of course would win but there are reasons I would use to help my case. There would be no being biased in that.

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I think that Natsu can take out the rubber man because he can manipulate fire, which in case you don't know burns rubber

YEAH NO this is fiction and in One Piece that doesn't work that way. Did you know rubber doesn't do well in the cold in Punk hazard Luffy shouldn't have been able to stretch let alone move, but he can since this is fiction hence why feats are taken not logic.

, and while it's not stated in One Piece that Luffy's weakness is fire, Luffy has shown significant difficulty against fire based foes and he has even said that he could never defeat his brother, who can also control fire.

You've seen the series? Ace got the fruit after he left home Luffy lost in physical strength. This is pure headcannon.

While Luffy has Haki, Natsu has fought people with the same abilities as Luffy like the poison dragon slayer, and Natsu actually won that fight so I think he will have experience against opponents with precognition.

No one Natsu fought has the same abilities as Luffy, and you are assuming magellan is not potent poison you know how strong the poison is it doesn't even touch people to kill them, and Luffy did survive and had and now has extra poison resistance.

It has been said by Erza that Natsu's skill and fighting power depends on the opponent he's fighting and Rogue said his power is limitless, so I don't see Luffy overpowering Natsu.

Statements=/= feats and Natsu has been outclassed before in the 100 year quest he had to use his magic to harm the armor dragon slayer and never had the strength.

Luffy's Red Hawk ability would rove useless against Natsu and even if Luffy turns his skin to steel, Natsu has been shown to be able to break steel in the past.

Except iron isn't steel, haki is steel, and so can Luffy, and Zoro. Red Hawk is a move that although the fire is useless the impact isn't.

Luffy may be fast, but Natsu has been shown to have the same kind of speed as he too is able to dodge incoming attacks like when he fought Sting and Rogue.

Where do they scan too? Because unlike the claims made I can say Luffy dodged point blank explosions, moved faster than ignition since he grabbed law and got out of sticky flammable substance unscathed.

Unlike Luffy, Natsu does not get tired so easily during fight as shown with his fight with Sting and Rogue and he is just as durable to as he was able to survive being hit through several layers of the ground

Luffy got his ass kicked for half a day, wdym? And he had endurance to beat the man who did it and no Natsu is not as durable, Luffy is resistant to blunt force and tanked an Island level hit. And Luffy hits like this

That is casual not a named attack, a normal punch from Luffy

and let's not forget Natsu's enhanced senses which would counter Luffy's supersonic speed ability as Natsu could smell him out.

He onlyed used that once and wasn't helpful against Laxus, he can't do it subconsciously, also Luffy is MHS and it is a power up not an ability, and Luffy has his own precog that can see slightly into the future.

While some may argue that Luffy's moves are unpredictable, Usopp was able to predict Luffy's moves, and he was actually able to create weapons designed to take out Luffy

HAHAHAHAHAH Ussop rode with Luffy for months knowing how Luffy works and knows how to beat him and with the weapon still got mid diffed, and you cannot say Ussop works like Natsu in intellect.

. Natsu was able to predict Sting's moves during their fight so I would argue we could do the same with Luffy

Sting not Luffy

. Luffy may be extremely strong, but don't forget, in the Fairy Tail universe dragon slayers have the same powers as dragons and since it is implied that dragons are extremely strong, and it is also said that Natsu has not harnessed his true potential, I would say Natsu may be stronger than Natsu.

No,dragon slayer magic was designed to hurt dragons

It is not true that Natsu needs to recharge by eating fire as shown with his fight with Sting and Rogue, even without fire, Natsu became even stronger in the final fight with Sting and Rogue.

Luffy became stronger too with a number of people.

Furthermore, Luffy is not a better fighter than Natsu. Luffy is not a trained masrtial artist, it just seems that way because of his agility and without his devil fruit power, Luffy has no real fighting experience,

hahahaha Luffy fought and defeated Trained martial artist and without his devil fruit he still low diffed almost everyone in Doffy's arena, fought ace, trained haki from Rayleigh and Garp trained him to be strong

and while his boxing match with Foxy was impressive, Natsu has been fighting his whole life, even as a child

So has Luffy him and Ace fought bears, lions, crocs.

, and this experience would give Natsu a massive advantage over Luffy

prooved otherwise

. Now if Natsu was given Etherion and Jellal's fire, Natsu would be even more unstoppable as Natsu's speed matches Luffys with Etherion as when Wendy was exposed to Etherion, she was able to move at super sonic speeds too. Luffy's Gear Four may be the biggest threat to Natsu, but keep in mind, Natsu was one of the only people to actually defeat a dragon, and Luffy's power is nothing compaired to them. Therefore, Natsu could beat Luffy. Now prove me wrong and tell me why Luffy would win.

Wendy isn't natsu, and Natsu has specifically made magic to fight dragons and his feats say otherwise, what you used was headcannon and when feats come up come and we can debate

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