Hunter Zolomon (Post Sage & Strength Forces amp)
Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death
Standard gear and abilities
Fight takes place at on an indestructible, Earth-like planet
Who'd win? For what reasons?
Penny for your thoughts on this battle?
Did Zolomon achieve phasing in the Flash War because he sure as hell didn't have the ability phase in Post-Crisis.
In Post-Crisis he was an extremely overrated speedster brick with no real abilities, he wasn't even able to knock out Wonder Woman. Also the Wonder Woman "hits harder than Superman" is an PIS outlier statement, since Superman has literally punched her harder.
@sirneko: Hunter wasn't trying to knock Wonder Woman out. He was trying to make her a better hero. Also, her saying that he hits harder than Superman isn't an outlier. She literally says that he's punching her at the speed of light. In Flash War, he's knocked the entire Justice League out with a single punch. That also includes Hal Jordan and both Barry and Wally couldn't even see him. And that's without even using the Strength Force.
Hunter had already showcased the ability to phase during Flash: The Faster Man Alive so that shouldn't be an issue. Regarding striking, I'm personally not the biggest fan of basing an entire character capabilities of a character on a single statement, but I do believe it's worth noting that the same writer that had Diana admit that Zolomon hits harder than Superman also had the latter punch Wonder Woman from the Sun back to the Earth at MFTL speeds, which is one of Pre-Flashpoint Superman all time best striking feats.
Regarding the thread, I honestly don't know if Zoom wins or even if he stands a chance, but there is surely a lot of misinformation being spread out here.
Without even the two new forces hunter would beat thanos anyway
Thanos were struggling against runner and even if he does have some sort of FTL reactions dosen't mean he will be able to react and outrun to someone that is above literally beyond speed itself and primary time.
Diana stated that hunter punches harder than superman now later superman punched Diana from sun to earth both looks different but that's due to the fact that superman tried to kill Diana and if you punch someone from the sun to earth she will literally gain mass and momentum while she travels toward earth
Comics has some sense of science into it, if hunter did the same punching wonderwoman from the sun to the earth it would have a far more devestating result unless if his intentions were not to kill her unlike superman he was weakened by the kryptonite while being affected by scarecrows fear gas causing superman to think Diana is Doomsday
Now people comparing Hunters and Clarks punches isn't really that much of a different the huge difference is hunter isnt trying to kill her therefore the impact is less harder than superman's MFTL punch and the fact that she was launched from the sun toward earth
Let's just make sure why superman's punch is more devestating than Zooms punching wonderwoman
1. She was punched from the sun to the earth by superman launching her at the speed of light toward earth increasing the force of the mass while the speed increases overtime as a mass gains more energy
2. Superman tried to kill her which is why the artist would show a far more devestating impact while hunter didn't try to kill her yet punches her harder than supermans normal punches
This means even zooms normal punches are much more devestating than supermans normal punches
There's a huge difference between a bloodlusted punch between a non bloodlusted punch
This dosen't debunk that hunter punches harder than superman in relativly to zoom his motions went at the speed of sound meanwhile his surrounding relativly to himself was at the point wonderwoman merely a statue hunter is capable of going at multiple speeds simultainously
Logically a bloodlusted zoom would punch harder than a bloodlusted superman
Anyway enough about that
Right now it dosen't matter how fast or slow Zoom goes the thing about the new forces is that they have the equal core of power like the speedforce
It depends how much zoom has mastered the forces
Though he instantly mastered those forces granting him powers he utilised the Sage and Strengthforce in such way someone else haven't done yet even Barry were not able to control the Strengthforce
The Strengthforce grants the host the ability/power to control gravity, mass and force around them
The Sageforce grants highly enhanced intellect that would perhaps make him as smart as Dr manhattan and with telekinesis and telepathy
While collecting those 2 forces to his arsenal seemingly his only weakness would be speedforce energy somehow it has to do with that all of those forces are related to Eachother being able to encounter Eachother in some way
But the massive possibilities it gives hunter to defeat thanos even through brute strength he can just Adjust his mass to the point he can just move planets or just adjust the force from the mass to the point he can punch a hole through thanoses chest
Literally trap thanos in the air by shifting the very gravity around him rendering his movement quite useless
Or perhaps mindrape thanos through the Sageforce
At this point hunter is above prime level knocking out the justice league in one punch on each of them is even enough to say that he definitivly can beat thanos it would simply destroy him
With his old time powers that he had from the beginning is already enough but with the Strengthforce his old powers isn't really relevant to this battle at this point
This... I would say this is a massive overkill
Zolomon already hits harder than superman when he wants. He can hit even harder if he wants.
I was thinking this was Pre forces amp zolomon. But zoom wins anyway.
So does Thor and Hulk and they can't do anything to Thanos.
Thanos should take this. Not sure how much the other forces make him better, but not sure if he has them here, so.
You would have to be at skyfather levels of powers to take out Thanos, which Zolomon definitely isn't
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