Hunter x Hunter Pouf VS Hisoka pure brawl without hatsu.

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Poll: Hunter x Hunter Pouf VS Hisoka pure brawl without hatsu. (22 votes)

Pouf still has far more aura out-put and base stats advantage, he wins. 73%
Hisoka should take this due to experience and skill, but it's a very difficult fight. 27%
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Pouf and hisoka both still have aura but their hatsu(nen technique) are banned, so it's a pure H2H brawl fight.

Also pouf can't use fly in this fight.

Who can win?

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I want to asking the person who voted for hisoka one question.

How does hisoka going to overcome the aura and stats difference by just skills?

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#2 Woodward  Online

The Royal Guards never impressed to say they can take on Hisoka

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#3  Edited By CCThor

@woodward:

A casual kick from pouf easily make morel, who has three times more aura than gon slipping few meters.

Youpi defeated shoot in under 40 secs without any slightly damege. and if not for killua, knuckle would one-shot by him too.

Pitou, when serious, his combat speed is faster than 0.1 sec, and he's able to taken someone as strong as kite's arm with ease.

These feats are all above hisoka ever showing.

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@ccthor: Your post is invalidated by the fact Hisoka is laughably stronger than the likes of Morel, Gon (except Adult), Kite and Shoot.

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@woodward:

No proof claim. put some feats to support your opinion.

It's yes if you just mean gon and shoot, but kite and morel weaker than hisoka is debatable. and even if we assuming hisoka does stronger than both, it should not by a large margin, but royal guards are all much stronger than both these people.

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By basic logic, Pouf would rag-doll. Even though he's the weakest of the Royal Guard in combat, he should still be far above Hisoka.

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#7  Edited By WordWarrior  Online

Morel could fight the RG...Morel was too scared to even fight Hisoka (didn't know who he was, just that Illumi had help IIRC, also scared to fight Illumi) and claimed he was not a combat hunter. And Hisoka solo'd dozens of combat hunters sent to him (so did Illumi).

Hisoka would...essentially stomp.

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pouf takes it.

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@Knowledge_King:

He's prepared to die by fighting RGs, your point proofs nothing.

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@ccthor said:

@Knowledge_King:

He's prepared to die by fighting RGs, your point proofs nothing.

No like...he refused to even fight Illumi and said he was no match. And yet with the RG he fought fine and survived. That proves a lot. And he's not even a 3 star hunter btw. RG aren't high on the totem pole.

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Lol ^

Somebody clearly didn't read that this is a h2h fight.

Morel was using tricks against the RG like Deep Purple and Smoky Jail

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@Knowledge_King:

He fought them fine? that's laughable, his life was only spared because youpi learing to respect his enemy, togashi even straight up states youpi are ten times more stronger than morel. And you want morel to fight hisoka and illumi even he's still recovering during that time?

Also, morel never said he's no match for illumi and hisoka, stop making false information.

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@ccthor said:

@Knowledge_King:

He fought them fine? that's laughable, his life was only spared because youpi learing to respect his enemy, and morel never said he's no match for illumi and hisoka, stop making false information.

And you want him to fight hisoka and illumi even he's still recovering during that time?

He literally said it and refused the order. He said nothing about recovering IIRC, just that he wasn't going to fight. And he only had to fight one of them to his knowledge. If the RG were so superior, he'd be fine. But obviously, that's not the case.

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#16  Edited By CCThor

@Knowledge_King:

Show me the scan or the video, he only said he "thinks" himself is not very strong and not a warrior, he never said he's no match to either of them.

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#17  Edited By WordWarrior  Online

@ccthor said:

@Knowledge_King:

Show me the scan or the video.

Later, don't have access to either right now...or really any media.

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@Knowledge_King:

Don't bother, I find it for you, but I can only find reaction video but it's no matter.

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hiisoka won't really do a thing to pouf. Durability is too insanely high, especially considering he is the physically weakest among the guards.

Pouf straight out tanked a tail whip by meruem to the face and he only suffered a barely visible scratch. Meruemy tail whips are able to casually blow off people's heads, and yet the one pouf received was out of anger and had more force packed into it than the casual head bust done by meruem to the farm people.

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#20  Edited By JoshTaku

@Knowledge_King: You seem to be remembering it wrong. Morel does state that illumi is dangerous but he was referring to the hunters that teradain would send after illumi. It was a plan made by killua to stall illumi from chasing him and alluka. Morel agreed to killua's plan to have teradain send hunters to intercept illumi's human puppets but under the condition that teradain warn the hunters to not go after illumi himself as he is way too dangerous for them.

Regardless of it, the reasoning that morel fought the royal guard but refused to fight illumi therefore illumi is stronger is flawed. Morel didn't want to fight in the first place. He only did so because the chairman personally asked him. He was very scared of the guards and would resort to tricks and illusions to avoid direct contact with any of them. Even when faced with youpi, he was fairly confident because they literally planned how they would fight the royal guard for weeks. He and knuckle had a plan that's why he risked fighting the guards. If they didn't have any sort of plan and it looked like they would be forced into an all out fist fight, he would not have gone through with it because he knows just how insanely overpowered the guards are.

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Pouf stomps

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@joshtaku: I'm pretty sure I have a manga scan where Morel straight up refused to fight Illumi. And the main thing to take away isn't even the refusal, but that he's a 2 star hunter who's not combat-related. This means the RG are not the juggernauts people think they are, if a 2 star, non-combat hunter was able to keep up with them. Similar hunters are killed in droves by Hisoka and Illumi.

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@Knowledge_King:

Chrollo also refuses to fight hisoka until he’s prepared.

What’s your point?

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@Knowledge_King: He was picked by the chairman because he fit well into his plan of fighting the ants. He wasn't picked because of his fighting skills but for his hatsu. The goal was to keep the guards busy for long enough for netero to kill the king. Morel literally had knuckle, shoot, and the chameleon dude to back him up that's why it looked like he was doing fine. The second he was alone with no back up available, he was taken down quickly and was about to be sliced by youpi.

Again, morel refusing to fight ilumi is not a good basis. Anyone with knowledge on who he is and what he's done will be scared to death. Morel had a plan and backup against the guards. He didn't against ilumi and the chairman is dead so he had no reason to fight anymore.

And excuse me but they are juggernauts. Pitou got hit by a full palm from netero's buddha and was unharmed. Youpi got electrocuted multiple times by killua and was unharmed. Pouf was smacked on the head an angry meruem with killing intent and came out just fine. Hisoka got his fingers broken by a volleyball spike from razor. Replace the guards with hiisoka in those situations and I guarantee hisoka would have died. He is not tanking a full palm from netero, he is not surviving killua's eectricity, and his head would get blown off by Meruem's tail.

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@joshtaku: But remember, Morel's >>>Knuckle and Shoot (stated). And dozens of Morel level Hunters got slaughtered by Illumi and Hisoka so fast that they couldn't even call for help.

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@Knowledge_King: what part of what I said did you not understand? They had a PLAN and everyone in the mission fit in to the plan perfectly. Their hatsu was perfect for stalling. Morel was practically a master at deception because of his hatsu. It worked perfectly with knuckles hatsu to stall long enough for the bomb to explode and drain the enemy's aura. If it was individual combat they would have been slaughtered by the guards immediately. And like I said, morel WARNED teradain not to send the hunters against ilumi because he knew that would happen. Those hunters had no idea what they were uo against and it was a ragtag quickly put together group with no experience of workjng together. Of cojrse they're going to get wiped out. Comparing the guards to ilumi because of the amount of hunters they managed to kill is not reliable because the royal guard would have done the same thing if in hisoka's situation.

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@joshtaku: But there's no proof of that. Hisoka and Illumi took on significantly more hunters at similar power levels, in much less time.

And the same hunters that the RG fought wouldn't even try against either of them.

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@Knowledge_King:

If you really think those hunters killed by both hisoka and Illumi are same or similar level to morel/knuckle or shoot then you are dumb lol

I don’t even think those fodders have half power of gon or Killua.

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@Knowledge_King: what do you mean there's no proof? Netero hand picked them how much more proof do you need. Netero even said morel was close to his own power at the moment.

And you missed the context. Morel didn't fight because he didn't have a reason to fight. Teradain was asking him to back him up for the chairman position. Why would he risk his life for something he didn't even want to participate in and for someone he didn't care about. That's not a valid source of credibility. And you continously disregard the numerous shows of power, strength, speed, and durability displayed by the royal guard.

The royal guard have actual feats and statements to back up pouf winning against hisoka. All you have is a vague scaling based on someone being scared to fight them. Now who has no proof?

Refute the feats first. If you think that hiisoka can perform the same things they did and endure the same things they endured, then you can have an argument to present. Right now, the vagueness of the "evidence" you're trying to present is not good enough.

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@joshtaku: Morel said Gon and Killua were above him so...Netero was lying or he's not that strong (both are possible tbh)

And Illumi fodderizes Killua still

RG doesn't have any feats above Hisoka or Illumi though.

And all evidence points to them being far above RG.

@ccthor: Gon and Killua are above Knuckle, Shoot, and Morel now...

And it showed their stars and a few were the same as Morel and combat-specc'd IIRC.

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@ccthor: His so called evidence is vague at best and doesn't prove anything. We on the other hand have actual feats and statements to back up our claims.

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@Knowledge_King: tell me then, how is hisoka going to survive a buddha palm to the face? Hoe is hiisoka going to survive multiple electric strikes from killua? How is hisoka going to survive a full on tail whip from meruem?

Can hisoka jump 2.2 kilometers in 3 seconds? Can hisoka survive gettjng hit by the dragon technique of zeno? No.

Hisoka got his hand broken by a spike from razor.

Your laughably bad scaling cannot refute the feats I present. Try harder.

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Wtfs going on in this thread? Mods are lazy sacks

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@woodward: ikr? I have to go through 9 gifs full of penises just so I could reply to the thread.

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Ants are vastly superior physically even without nen. Without Hatsu I'm not sure any human beats Pouf

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@joshtaku said:

@Knowledge_King: tell me then, how is hisoka going to survive a buddha palm to the face? Hoe is hiisoka going to survive multiple electric strikes from killua? How is hisoka going to survive a full on tail whip from meruem?

Can hisoka jump 2.2 kilometers in 3 seconds? Can hisoka survive gettjng hit by the dragon technique of zeno? No.

Hisoka got his hand broken by a spike from razor.

Your laughably bad scaling cannot refute the feats I present. Try harder.

The feats don't matter when we have direct feats/scaling done by the characters.

Facts:

Killua's godspeed blitzed Youpi and was at least as fast as Pouf

Morel>Knuckle and Shoot

Gon >Morel

Knuckle and Shoot survived an extensive fight with a RG and lasted long enough to be considered distractions

Godspeed Killua was similar speeds to Pitou when she blitzed Gon

That's agreed upon right? But then there's this:

Morel is not a combat specialist

Morel refuses to even fight Illumi and whoever's helping him (Hisoka)

Hisoka kills dozens of Hunters that fashion themselves combat specialists, and before they can sound an alarm

Hisoka can see and keep up with Godspeed Killua

Hisoka's said to be able to kill Killua

Even Illumi's needle people can land a hit on Killua and not be blitzed (he was worried that one hit would kill his sister/Alluka while he was carrying her in Godspeed)

So we know that Killua's as fast as the RG in Godspeed, and it's nothing to Hisoka who can still see and kill him. This puts Hisoka above the RG already. Then Morel, Knuckle, and Shoot being so far below him is another (they fought with the RG).

And another piece is that the cheetah ant (supposedly fastest or one of the fastest by feats) got stomped by Killua's father Silva. Which scales to Hisoka via Chrollo.

Everything in the series says Hisoka >Ants.

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#37  Edited By JoshTaku

@Knowledge_King: you just keep going back to morel huh? Even though I already pointed out that his abilities are perfectly suited for stalling and distractions while others finish off the opponent.

Show me the scan of hisoka saying killua is slow. Show me. because the few times he saw godspeed being used was from a distance where he has a wide field of vision so of course he is going to still see killua. Pouf was literally right in front of killua and thus was unable to react because the distance was very close and yet one of his smaller clones was keeping up with killua while running at full speed with godspeed. Take note that the clones are immensely weaker than pouf himself. And killua did not blitz youpi. He outsped him, which youpi is already relatively weak in. But killua's attacks had no effect. Youpi kust walked it off like a bee sting. Killua would run out of aura before he can actuallly severely damage youpi. But I guess hisoka can cut him with his cards huh? Because cards are immensely stronger than electricity.

Like I already said, morel was scared to fight both the guards and ilumi. That doesn't mean anything. He only fought the guards because netero asked him to. Of netero had asked him to keep ilumi busy, he would have done it as well. He didn't want to fight ilumi because HE HAD NO REASON TO RISK HIS LIFE.

And what do you mean the feats don't matter?? They absolutely matter because the characters have already done it, they've proven the ability to do the things they did. Hisoka cannot replicate the crazy things the ants have done. And I am already scaling pouf from meruem just like what you keep doing with morel. So you're contradictng yourself. You cannot disregard the feats I present and only focus on yours. Hisoka cannot do the same things the ants have done while the ants can do the things hisoka has done.

And cheetah wasn't even paying attention. He was off guard and silva came down from the sky, an angle he had no way of predicting. Morel literally had to resort to deception to counter his speed. And still, pouf is faster than cheetah.

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Hisoka > Morel > Pouf

Hisoka lowball is astounding. Even Netero could flick away the strongest RG effortlessly. Morel would’ve slaughtered Pouf in a straight fight

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#39  Edited By Bearderby
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Hisoka is atleast supersonic+, probably faster than Pouf in flight which is restricted.

nobody stomps. this could go either way

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@bearderby: He's using the gum to enhance his speed in that fight, which is not the case because all their hatsu are banned.

And no that's not a supersonic speed feat. also don't forget pouf flys near a kilometer in 1 sec.

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@joshtaku: Morel is a common enemy that makes comparison easy. So is Killua.

Killua is seen as not an issue to Hisoka. He doesn' even comment on his speed. At all. He just contemplates killing him to get Illumi mad at him. And when he 'jokingly' suggests it, Illumi treats it as a serious possibility.

And Killua did blitz Youpi. Blitzing is just speed, not hurting someone. He attacked him multiple times before he could react. That's the definition of blitzing basically.

Killua's electricity and Hisoka's cards have...nothing to do with each other. Hisoka's piercing and cutting people.

Morel being scared isn't the only issue. It's also the fact that he's not a combat specialist. And says it himself. The people that all die to Hisoka, some of them are and still they die so fast they can't sound an alarm. The difference between them is immense. So Morel even hanging in the presence of the RG puts them below Hisoka. As does Killua being able to blitz and outspeed them.

The feats don't matter because we have no indication that Hisoka and the like can't do the same. But we do have indication that they're above the ants due to comparisons against Morel, Knuckle, Shoot, and Killua.

So can Hisoka replicate those feats? Not sure. Doesn't matter because he's directly shown to be better/more deadly in a fight. And thus he'd win. The same people that gave the RG trouble are fodder to him.

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#42  Edited By CCThor

@Knowledge_King:

Your points haven’t any solid proofs or direct showing, all you points have is just simply guess.

If you want strike a argument plz stop using your guess like it was fact and using some actual feats.

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@ccthor said:

@Knowledge_King:

Your points haven’t any solid proofs or direct showing, all you points have is just simply guess.

If you want strike a argument plz stop using your guess like it was fact and using some actual feats.

They have direct showings. Killua can blitz RG, he can't blitz Hisoka and Illumi or even Illumi's needlemen.

Morel (and lower level people) can survive RG, dozens of more capable people can't survive Hisoka for a few seconds.

That's all it boils down to. Hisoka's superior.

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@Knowledge_King: So you're basing your entire argument of hisoka's speed based on that??? You do know that ilumi is a control freak and obsessive with killua. Any and all threats made against killua will be treated as an absolute by ilumi; whether it was made by hisoka or that ape guy gon played dodgeball with. He would kill anyone that makes a threat like that, it's his personality. Honestly, I thought you had some solid statement to back your claim that killua is slow to hisoka but all you had was a single scene that weighs little significance.

And you keep missing what I said. The ant task force had weeks if not months to plan their attack. They studied each of the guards and split them up accordingly and came up with plans and contingency plans to fight the guards. The guards didn't have any trouble with them despite all that preparation. Youpi won his fight even treated them as more of an annoyance than a threat and pouf wasn't even interested in fighting and would rather look for the king. Those "combat specialist" you keep bringing up are fodder not only to hisoka. Killua would have no problem dealing with them. They went in blind to a situation thinking they would only need to fight mindless needlemen but got surprised by hisoka. Morel and his party on the otherhand had ample amounts of plans in place for every situation they could think of after they arrive at the palace, that's why they did so well. It's simple logic.

And no, hisoka is not replicating those feats. No human outside of adult gon and netero could replicate the feats done by the guards. You do not have indications of any kind. You only have illogical scaling created by your own desire to wank hisoka.

Again, hisoka is not jumping 3 kilometers in 5 seconds, he is not tanking a tail whip from meruem unharmed, he is not tanking a buddha palm from netero unharmed, he is not keeping up with godspeed killua running at full speed. If you think he can then show me scans or evidence that's not your head canon. Because there is actual proof of what I've said so far while you yourself admit hisoka has not shown anything close to the feats Ive listed. Why? Because hisoka is not as physically impressive as the ants.

Even in his death battle with chrolo if he has not shown anything that would put him above the royal guard even when his life is on the line. While the royal guard have shown durability, strength, and speed to indicate they would survive the very same thing that caused hisoka's temporary death.

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@joshtaku: We have no basis to say Illumi would take any old threat that seriously. And Hisoka's speed is also based on the fact that he never remarked about losing track of Killua or about Killua being fast in any way.

Prep or not, the RG spent lots of time fighting with fodder (to Hisoka). Hisoka kills similar people in seconds.

Showings are fine but we have direct comparisons. And direct comparisons say Hisoka>Killua>RG in speed. And Hisoka>>>>RG>Combat specialists>Morel>Knuckle/Shoot in a fight.

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#46  Edited By Wrathofthebrad

Pouf stomps, what is this crazy Hisoka wank even?

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@woodward said:

The Royal Guards never impressed to say they can take on Hisoka

Hisoka is not even close to Royal Guard level.

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@Knowledge_King: Based on the fact that he did not remark? And you're not even going to try and consider prep time? And youre saying feats are less than vague comparison??

Wow.

Just wow.

You are by far the worst debator I have ever had the displeasure of encountering.

I'm not even going to entertain your responses anymore. Literally no one here would agree with what you just said.

OP: Pouf and any of the royal guard murder stomp hisoka and all his ancestors along with any future children and grand children he may have. His 3rd cousin twice removed would feel the quake of the punches the royal guard would deliver to hisoka's face. The creator of the universe itself will feel a slight sting ad he watches hisoka get demolished.

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#49 WordWarrior  Online

@joshtaku: Yes, in universe, comparisons are worth more. Were this a CAV, or a tournament, you'd be right. But this is in-universe comparisons. Like it doesn't matter if character A can lift a galaxy and move MFTL and character B can't or hasn't...if when they fight each other and others, character B wins, he's better in-universe.

And in this case, Hisoka's superior to the RG by that measurement. He's faster than Killua, they're not. He stomps Morel level people, they don't. It's as simple as simple can be. They fought the same and similar people and Hisoka was superior.