Humans vs Robots vs Aliens vs Demons vs Monsters, King of the Hill!

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Either Orks or Chaos win. Or flood go crazy.

I can you who's not gonna win, The humans.

I think either Team Monsters, Aliens, or Demons have the best shot, and in all honestly its a fight between Monsters vs Aliens imo as the Demonic side lacks numbers and although they're good, they're not that good. They need a third player.

Honestly I don't see how anyone counters the eight daemon princes at all, I'd change them to greater daemons to make it more even.

That being said this place is definitely destroyed lol.

@fullmetalemprah: I wouldn't per say Daemon princes like greater daemons vary in power, but unless they are primarch daemon princes I've never seen them as strong as Greater Daemons. Also 30 Stompas should help the Green tide pretty well, plus the flood have 8k of those huge... monsters that can slap the shit out of anyone. Daemon Princes will have their work cut out for them for sure. Robots might win due to their broken terms, but that's a maybe.

@merulezall: I mean, you're probably right but it depends. Sometimes daemon princes are hyped above average greater daemons and other times they're below them. I feel really bad for the humans though, all their opponents are terrifying and have extreme firepower, I could see them having morale problems save the Helghast. I think an IG regiment could be added so long as it isn't too elite and that would even the odds. Especially since they're really good at this type of battle.

@warlordeternal said:

@merulezall said:

I can tell you who's not gonna win, The humans.

I think the only ones who'd suffer from morale loss could be nazi germany, but they got a lot of robots as well. As funny as the humans are, they actually all got decent morale, I mean look at nod. They're literally insane when it comes to combat as they have such a religious fever for their leader. Helghast might actually be the weakest link in this fight, as they don't bring a lot of robotic troops like Nazi Germany nor do they field religious fever people like Nod on the avg. The Avg soldier of nod isn't scared of much

Overall they're screwed though as everyone else is either insanely durable or just freaking stacked with weapons. I think the ones who would haunt everyone is those damn Necromorphs though. I'd hate to fight them, rather fight a bloodletter than them

@bastetz: That's true, although honestly I don't think the Helghast will have too many issues after the first engagement since they have Radec. He's not only a cunning commander but he also inspires his troops quite a bit. But to be fair, none of them to my knowledge have fought creatures like the necromorphs or demonic forces of Doom or 40k before, so I still think the first engagement with them will be really rough, even if they win.

I still think an IG regiment would help a lot here, they would actually even things up and give the humans a fighting chance since they've faced stuff like this before, have a ton of firepower, and it wouldn't be unfair for the other teams.

As for who is scarier, in that specific case I'll agree, at least I know the bloodletter will blitz my head off and not pop up out of nowhere. Other types of daemons I'm not so sure I'd take over the necromorph, some of them like to do incredibly creepy stuff.

@fullmetalemprah said:

Well considering its King of the Hill, They don't have to defeat a force, they just have to hold the hill. I don't see them holding that hill long enough before Da Green tide comes in and kicks everyone's face in. Flood imo would be the worst as they can infect everyone who is dead, as stated in the rules. I think with all the meat backs on the ground the monsters might win with the flood carrying them hard in the long run.

I understand why he didn't do it, because if you look at this thread, there's not a single sci fi that is shared here. Everyone single faction he picked is from a single sci fi setting. I think that's why, because why in the hell would he use Novus when he could of easily put Necrons or Geth in that spot, but since 40k demons are being used and Kett/Collectors are being used, neither exists. He could of at the very least maybe used UNSC as their heavier hitting weapons might do it, but the Nazis bring some impressive stuff. The only thing lacking on the Human side more than anything is pure experience otherwise I'd pit any of these guys up against an IG regiment and it'd be a close fight.

In a battlefield where its king of the hill and there's an objective, I don't think the daemons are gonna be messing around, Necromorphs attack in brutal ways not because they are brutal themselves, but rather "Ill keep stabbing u until u don't move because it's all I know!" Bloodletters know we know fear and they can smell it along with other daemons, they just don't got the time to mess around with this massive fluster cuck going on in the background

Team undead seems to be The most powerfull.

@bastetz: Well, they do have some options, the best of which is to entrench themselves and shell the hill continuously. If the other factions ignore them for the most part and focus on each other as well as the hill, they could possibly take the hill later on when most of the other teams are depleted(save maybe the Flood). It would take some good fortune and planning, but it's not impossible. Most likely wouldn't happen though given the other commanders aren't dumb and are going to notice them as soon as the bombardment commences.

He has both the Orks and daemonic forces from 40k, but I do agree the representation would be a bit heavy for them with the IG. Also I think it's also kind of cool he used Novus since Necrons are incredibly broken and would be harder to balance, not mention that Universe at War factions aren't used a lot. Which is a shame because they have some really cool stuff. Geth would have worked too though I agree.

Actually some daemons do mess around like that on the battlefield, Khornate daemons just exist to fight and so they really don't do the whole "I make haunted house stories look tame" thing, it's not in their character. Others though will and have before, it really just depends on the daemon itself. Then there's the whole thing with a lot daemons taking on a form that can drive most mortals insane just by looking at them. So yeah it really depends. Some daemons like bloodletters look scary but just want to fight and are really good at it, while others can and like to do creepy stuff even in the middle of battle.

The Demons IMO lose this, because The warp or chaos gods are not present here.

The flood however would just get stronger with necromorph virus( not really sure it is a virus ).

After that it just needs to find The orks after which it has infinite amount of soldiers.

And The flood allready can infect 80% of all that is present here anyway.

Word.

@rockette: Well actually The undead team isn't the most powerful, but it definitely has THE best attributes, which will give it the eventual win.

@rockette said:

I think they do as well, but I feel the Robots would be a hard counter to them with all their different styles of fighting. I mean T-1000's are gonna be a bitch for them

They are, but as i said once the super amped flood/necromorph combo reaches the Orks they have unlimited amount of soldiers. Also the Lambent has some heavy hitters of their own, that naturally get even stronger with the mutations.

@exmaster3000: How so, I don't think the necros would do much to the orks? I don't think the op is allowing the flood super cell nor the necro virus in here, otherwise orks win via spores to only which the flood could counter, which measn the flood would carry

well if the infection is not allowed here then the undead side has no place here and get stomped. If these are the rules the Demons pretty much clear.

@exmaster3000: not necessary the necromorphs and flood bring some really durable units, capable of tanking .50 cal sniper rounds without suffering much damage. They also got some really big monsters as well

I was leaning towards Aliens cuz of Orks, but then saw the demon team.

Yeah, they’re gonna roll everyone else hard.

Probably goes like this:

1. Demons

2. Aliens

3. Undead

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56. Robots

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999999. Humans

What’ll probably end up happening is the demons are gonna possess the humans and the aliens and then they’ll stomp everything else even harder.

I doubt any of the undead can take over any of the demons as they are of mystical nature, and the Doom demons at least, dissipate after dying (maybe that’s just a game mechanic though). The demons also vastly overpower anyone here. Only thing they lack is numbers, but possessing the humans and aliens will fix that.

I searched the rules, and OP allows flood to infect dead soldiers. That tips the scale in that its Demons vs Undead in the end. If the Demons cannot be turned then they win.

@vulkanian: The Undead rules state that they can infect as long as the target is dead beforehand. That gives them too large numerical edge over the Demons.

@vulkanian: I'd disagree, the only factor is chaos and a handful of Doom demons matter. The rest is trash compared to the Robots and Aliens aspect. Considering the Ceph have no issue mopping the floors with most of the doom demons alone and can hang with the 40k demons. This doesn't account for the terms T-1000's and so on. Ork Stompas, nobs, kommandos, and flash gits would wipe any doom's demons with their ass, and that again only leaves 40k to do all the carrying. I do agree with @merulezall that they are a factor, but they are not the top of the chain imo at least

@exmaster3000: 100,000 Flood Infection Forms ( can only infect corpses ). They're the only ones that can infect though, this isn't the flood super virus nor is he appyling it to the necromorphs virus. I do agree the flood infected forms will give the monsters an advantage for sure, but I don't think he's applying it to the rest of the team otherwise lambents can infect as well with their own virus which means the monsters just overwhelm everyone besides the orks as the orks spores would grow rapidly due to the cluster of this conflict. Keep in mind its not about destroying each other, its about capturing a point on the map.

@warlordeternal said:

@merulezall said:

I can tell you who's not gonna win, The humans.

Exactly haha

Siding with the robots in a tough fight, Terms being the good heavy hitters infantry wise CIS brings the proper armor to over time put them enemy down, and the Novus bring the fodder with some decent armor to compete as well. Skynet's specialized robots are going to have a field day with almost everyone here!

@bastetz: yes i agree. My argument is heavily based on how far are we allowed to use The flood infection. For If they are allowed to infect ork corpses The flood gains Access to spore reproduction.

@exmaster3000: I think they could, but how would the flood be able to gain access to the spore reproduction, IIRC the flood have access to one's memory, but the orks don't know that they release spores. However, I think that'd be a question we'd need to ask the op, because if you're right yeah the flood should then sweep and I think it should be made clear with the necromorphs as well if they can infect with their own virus as that means a lot of other flesh fodder would serve the monster side

@bastetz: exactly, this is My argument. The flood is able to take over some of The biological abilities they infect. But as you also agree My original argument The flood is too powerfull If allowed 100% infection abilities.

@bastetz: Lol the Robots are arguably even weaker than the humans. I only ranked them higher because they can’t be possessed. The droids and terminators are complete fodder and shouldn’t be here.

Even some of the weaker Doom demons can tank futuristic rockets straight to the head, and the higher ones like Barons can tank Gauss Cannon shots repeatedly + Chaingun fire. This doesn’t include the Cyberdemons, which can’t even be killed besides straight up disintegration or removing the Argent accumulator in them. The WH40k demons are also ridiculous too.

The Necromorphs are a non factor as some guy that didn’t even have any combat experience and basically had work tools soloed their strongest units + their supreme leader. The locust are a non factor too. The Flood are a downgrade from Orks/Tyranids, and the WH40k demons are arguably above those.

This isn’t even bringing up that Doom demons can possess the dead as well. That’s literally what all the Possessed humans in Doom games are, zombies.

@fullmetalemprah said:

From what I know only named Daemon Princes are better than Greater Daemons, but then again I'm not a warhammer expert we'd have to ask @wut@decaf_wizard@sirfizzwhizz on that aspect.

IG regiments would be over kill, there's already orks and daemons and it doesn't allow much room for debating. We honestly need to know where each faction starts and if there's like a military base or a portal that allows them to be transported here and so on.

How are terminators complete fodder? You do realize Terminators can no sell .50 and rpgs like nothing. They're way stronger than humans, and I don't see much of the Doom's demons putting down a T-1000 let alone that many of them. They also have teleporting Terms as well who look like this,

He didn't say no time travel, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as these guys can literally travel to any point in time and kill someone. Regardless, they can slip into pockets outside the dimension and kill and they're extremely tanky. Skynet's terms without jobbing are superior to Doom's daemons, helghast, nod, flood, etc. The only one competing against them in the ground game would be orks and Daemons of chaos. That's it.

Congrats, so can the terms. Literally in a novel KW posted, a term tanked a sniper round to the head and into the eyeball and it didn't die. When they do die from sniper rifles its purely because the person knows where to aim and that's it. Said sniper rifle is killing most of the doom's demons besides Barons of hell and Hell Knights. IT's a shame the ones we see in the movies are mid tier fodder, they are nothing compared to T-1000's, T-X's, T-Infinities, etc. Skynet's troops also bring powerful plasma rifles which are firing .50 cal rounds or similar to that and since its super heated plasma it should effect Doom's demons greatly. I can't see how a Baron of hell is going to put down a T-1000, let alone that many T-1000's. Op actually really gave the Term's low numbers. Furthermore if we go by Legends lore, Magnaguards are going to be able to challenge bloodletters, Barosn of hell, knights of hell, etc due to their ability to challenge jedi and not just any jedi, but high tier jedi in the clone cartoon and they're quick enough to keep up with them. They were also hand trained by General G. The CIS doesn't need to bring specialized infantry though, they just need to bring fodder and a sheer amount of it, in which they do to give their pals, the terms to carry the infantry aspect of the war. CIS brings some big guns for armor and the Novus bring nice mid tier armor as well. They may not win, but they are tied as far as I'm concerned with the Demons and Monsters.

They're not gonna possess stuff faster than the flood or necromorphs and its likely the flood and necros can override the doom's demons as well in that aspect, but as @bastetz said, we need the op to clarify on a few things as well

@merulezall: The same Terminators that we’re getting destroyed by a handful of poorly equipped humans in the future and had to send a terminator back in time to kill Connor because they were losing so hard? Right.

The droids are inferior to the Clones and the clones got swamped by Ewoks. Please.

There is nothing the bots have that even compare to Doom high tiers, let alone WH40k demons, which are above everyone here by a mile.

There’s also nothing to say the demons don’t possess the flood as well, as they did the same to an alien race in Doom 3 and Doom 4 (the Night Sentinels are technically aliens even though they look human /shrug).

@vulkanian:

The same Terminators that we’re getting destroyed by a handful of poorly equipped humans in the future and had to send a terminator back in time to kill Connor because they were losing so hard? Right.

Poorly equipped? You mean the same humans who used terminator technology to fight against the terminators? The same humans who in a realistic situation would of died due to Skynet's plan? The same humans who are literally saved by plot? Yeah those humans, kinda like how the Demons of Hell from doom, kept getting their faces kicked in by a human.

The droids are inferior to the Clones and the clones got swamped by Ewoks. Please.

Post where Clones got swamped by Ewoks. Please do so. You are right that the droids are inferior to clones though, the B-1's and B-2's are not very good, but I wasn't referring to them now was I? I also referred to them being fodder and tanking most of the damage while Skynet did the real lifting?

There is nothing the bots have that even compare to Doom high tiers, let alone WH40k demons, which are above everyone here by a mile.

Wrong, Doom High tiers once more can't counter T-1000s, T-Xs, and T-infinities. 40k daemons are going to be carrying them hard. The only reason why the demons are ranked high amongst the rest isn't because of Doom's demons being so good, its because 40k's demons are that good.

There’s also nothing to say the demons don’t possess the flood as well, as they did the same to an alien race in Doom 3 and Doom 4 (the Night Sentinels are technically aliens even though they look human /shrug).

Right, you must explain to me then how the demons from doom are going to possess a mind a super small being that hides in a human body. Please by all means try to prove the demons wouldn't be stuck frozen fighting for control over a body against the flood as its controlling a puppet.

@merulezall: There is no real way to class named daemon princes and "tier" them at all effectively. Especially with Greater Daemons. The GENERAL rule is that top tier named Greater Daemons > Daemon Primearchs > mid tier named Greater Daemons > Daemon Princes > normal Greater Daemons > Extremely high tier Chaos Champions (Such as Kharn and Ahriman) > low tier/jobber Daemon Princes. But there are notable exceptions to this.

Specifically Magnus is a tier above most other displayed Daemon Primarchs, some Slanneshi Daemon Prince who was foddering Keepers of Secrets even before her ascension and some bloodthirsters break this rule. On the other hand some daemon princes are such shit that many upper level chaos champions are flat out much better at stuff than them, and Horus of course is an outlier

@merulezall: Ulkair specifically seems like a pretty generic, if above average Great Unclean One to me. He was notably superior to Daemon Prince Eliphas the Inheritor in terms of general threat level as far as I remember

@vulkanian: I see your post, and I'll give you a chance to save face and such, but I have a feeling you're not very well versed in the Star wars universe are you? If not it's okay, but you will see why when i point out why your video is wrong.

That is a good video, but I'm still lost why you think the resistance is super poor? Let's point some stuff out shall we?

First of all the person driving, guess what? Is a terminator. Interesting isnt it that he acts and looks like a human, and is able to over come skynet's mobile terminators?

Secondly looks like a fully operated military base to me,

The Beginning of that movie,

Huh, big large missiles being fired at a com's station to prevent skynet from giving out orders real quick or quicker, keep in mind in the novels skynet despite the hit and run tactics the resistance did was capable of delivering reinforcements to any location on earth, within reason of course, to try and counter the resistance. Despite years of war humans still died and skynet still countered them. You know what's also nice in that video? The humans using jets and such to counter attack the defenses at that location. Now idk about you, but that's not poor resources. It just means humanity doesn't have tons of fodder and gear to throw at Skynet, which is why they rely on guerrilla warfare.

I'd like to also note, that it's stated multiple times that John Conner is the soul reason why Skynet either wins or loses in the war. Literally there are tons upon tons of timelines, where the machine wages its war still AND even wins,

^ Proof.

Now remind me again why skynet and its terms are complete garbage against especially the t-1000, T-X, T-3000, T-Infinity, etc. Because I'm telling you, Doom's demons offer nothing to counter them other than crushing the T-600's and T-850's

No matter how hard you try to lowball Skynet, you can't really do it. Any low showing I got 2136213813721647213741 other better showings both movie wise, comic wise, novel wise that says other wise. Keep in mind those two videos I posted were only that of the movie you picked. I could show Genesys where Tech com invades with a full fledged force and raids a skynet military base and so on, but I think its quite clear that the forces of Skynet are far better than what you're portraying them to be.

Those are some heavily equipped humans right there m8. Doomguy isn't a human either.

Wrong Doomguy is a human, Doomslayer is his upgrade, both still managed to completely trash the demons of hell without any issue whatsoever.

However, as time has went on he's obviously amped himself into a super human, thing is though again before those amps he was still kicking demonic ass without much issue. He's skilled, super skilled, but he's still or was human while doing it for a while. I understand everyone wants doom's demons to be super bad ass and so on and that it takes a legendary god to kill him, but hes honestly no different then MC, Shepard, Adam Jensen, Prophet, etc. They all started off as human, but over time got ripped as shit.

You mean those Terminators that got destroyed by an inferior Terminator model and in T-Infinity's case was heavily damaged from a Bazooka shot? Doom demons have abilities that could melt the Terminators such as their hellfire and Cacodemon and Cybermancubus acid ball things. Cyberdemons and Spider Masterminds would stomp any of the Terminators.

You mean when even freezing a T-1000 solid ice cold didn't do jack despite it being shattered as well? Yeah, or how about the fact the T-850 had to toss it into lava to keep it perm dead? Because you know bullets and such didn't seem to have any effect on it.

When did the T-Infinity get heavily damaged by a rocket? Are you referring to this down below,

That's cute. However, what you don't realize is that it's already been taxed in almost all aspects and was EMP'd before thus rendering its processor and abilities down. Do your Demons have EMPS in their pockets and are as powerful as Tech coms?

However, its been shown multiple times to teleport in mid fights, and that teleportation can cut shit in half. Please explain to me how this thing doesn't just teleport onto a cyborg demon and then teleport's out, thus one shotting it?

You do realize T-850's can tank them just fine. T-X's literally tanked one and only suffered "hand" damage as its gun which was part of its hand was only disabled and nothing else, or how it has zero effect on the T-1000's what so ever.

If the demons have the ability to melt things as well as you claim then why don't we see it all that often???

Why couldn't they? Also, that's not how Doom demons possess things. The big demons don't do the possessing, it's the Hell energy that is released that causes it. The Lost Souls are the only demons that we can see in-game actually able to possess.

Lost souls are described in the Corrax Tablets as being the weakest form of demon. They lack a physical form and are despised by the other denizens of Hell. Lost souls home in on a potential host before exploding in a burst of Hell energy. If the host is sufficiently weak-willed, the demon will possess the host and the host's soul will then become a lost soul itself." - straight from the wiki.

What makes Hell's energy more potent than the flood's? Last I checked the flood are doing much more than just possessing someone when it comes to infecting.

Impressive, but one there is no lost souls here, two even if said energy was to give rise, it takes a host's soul to give it life, Flood have no souls? Flood don't have a will power because they are under the gravemind. They are all TP linked and although the leaders are not in the fight itself, I don't see anything on doom's side matching a Gravemind in the TP fight, so the chances of this happening to the flood is slim same with Necromorphs. However, could it affect humans and other aliens, sure why not?

Doubt the flood have a particularly strong will or any resistance to Hell energy.

I've set to see the forces of doom counter something on the Flood's level, although I'm open to anything.

I just remember from the games and some comics that Daemon Princes seem to come across as equals to Greater Daemons or right below, that's all. Thank you for your input and this helps alot! :)

He is tbh hes from DoW2 isn't he?

aliens

@vulkanian said:

What makes robot's weak bruh? Because they aint man, this is a fight between everyone but the humans tbh. Although they could win via sheer numbers, but it'd be hard as hell for them to do so ( ha the irony )

Sorry bub, but Futuristic rockets isn't good enough. Apply feats slick

Have you seen Issac's gear, bruh come on let's be real. Dead space Necromorphs would still stomp the crap out of other alien races whether they got soloed by a guy or not. You're also forgetting there was military personal aboard and what happened to them, Oh right, they got lolstomped. So in other words Issac basically winged everything and lucked out. He also didn't kill the biggest monsters with a chainsaw like Doomslayer did, he had to use actual ship or station guns to get rid of the larger Necromorphs, of course said Necromorphs are not in this thread. You also forget Necromorphs destroyed an alien race before stumbling upon humanity

Flood at their prime would lolstomp the tyranids and beat the orks in a long fight. In what world did you get that idea? If you man ground troop wise, sure, in the grand scheme of things, naw man

Doom's demons any possessing jack shit other than humans. They don't got Hell pouring in here, they're coming from either a portal or a base which we need answers from the OP in what way all these guys are coming from

Agreed, I just wasn't sure is all I'm glad we're on the same page

Now remind me again why skynet and its terms are complete garbage against especially the t-1000, T-X, T-3000, T-Infinity, etc. Because I'm telling you, Doom's demons offer nothing to counter them other than crushing the T-600's and T-850's

Because they get trashed by humans using 1990's weapons and Doom demons can resist weapons made in 2100-something? In Doom Eternal the demons completely dumpster Earth, including all of its futuristic armies and weapons, and (as far as we know, could change when it comes out) they didn't cheese it by using nukes or anything like that.

Doom higher demons can tank consecutive Chaingun fire, and here's what the lore says about the Chaingun: It's firing crucible has a PSI of 220,000 and launches a 15mm Tungsten Slug at 5,000 feet per second, and it can basically fire forever because the heat recharges the battery.

That's not enough? The Gauss Cannon is even more powerful than that with the Siege Mode mod, and can two-three shot higher level demons.

That's not including the Cyberdemons and Spider Masterminds, which are way tougher than even those demons. These demons can also tank BFG shots, which one shot all the "normal" demons.

Wrong Doomguy is a human, Doomslayer is his upgrade, both still managed to completely trash the demons of hell without any issue whatsoever.

There is no official source claiming that the Doomguy from the first two and Doom 2016 are two different people. Doomguy is a Night Sentinel, which isn't a human.

However, its been shown multiple times to teleport in mid fights, and that teleportation can cut shit in half. Please explain to me how this thing doesn't just teleport onto a cyborg demon and then teleport's out, thus one shotting it?

If it was so easy why didn't it teleport onto John Connor and one shot him? It wouldn't one shot a Cyberdemon anyways.

If the demons have the ability to melt things as well as you claim then why don't we see it all that often???

I don't know, if these things are such elite killing machines, then how come they can't kill a normal teenage boy in the past or a normal human in the future?

What makes Hell's energy more potent than the flood's?

It's Argent energy. A single Argent energy cell has enough power in it to produce more power than a nuclear power plant can in a year. It also doesn't follow quantum physics, if that matters. The UAC also tried to cut it with a 2 megakelvin laser at it and the laser was completely absorbed and the heat was contained. The demons run on Argent energy, and exposure to it instantly killed or turned any human into the Possessed. What does the Flood have to resist that kind of energy?

@bastetz: Lmao, don’t tell me you actually think the Flood have a remote chance against the Tyranids or the Orks?

@merulezall: I mean you have your god tier Daemon Princes like Ax'Senaea, who was foddering Keepers of Secrets as a mortal out of pure willpower and draining them for powers, or Ghargatuloth, who required hundreds and hundreds of Grey Knights to kill, and of course Doombreed. But these are not your average lords by a long shot

The average ones (not jobber garbage lords like Samus, M'kar or Voldorius, they get routinely stomped into the dirt by Chapter Masters/Champions. Hell, Voldorius nearly got banished by god damn normal humans) would be around or above the level of low tier Greater Daemon going by feats, but by fluff they should be somewhat less from what I know.

Cherubael, The Sapphire King, Eliphas the Inheritor, or Gara’gugul’gor (nurgle names amirite) is a good example of what a Daemon Prince can do. Cherubael in his case was bound for his feats too

@vulkanian: they do, they would stomp both unless a waaagh was fully United. Full prime flood would challenge necrons and could very well win just like the forerunners

Fully Prime Flood are not challenging the WiH Crons. The C'tan are simply far, far, far too much for them to deal with, nevermind the absurdity of Necron technology back then

@killerwasp: No, they don’t.

Tyranids are immune to Nurgle’s diseases, you think the Flood would do jack to them?

Forerunners don’t have shit on WH40k.

@vulkanian: why does that matter? Magic isn’t the same as biology. The flood have infected or have infection fears above petty plagues from nurgle and they weeenr immune to it at first either they were getting rekted until the new batch of nids came out and were immune to it but the immunity isn’t permanent nor is it always there the tau proved this

Forerunners would shit on a lot of the 40k they’re in the same league as the war in heaven necrons

@decaf_wizard: they would and they can this is without the Ctan ofc.

So maybe how do they deal with anything the Necrons have from that era like weaponized planets that pack enough firepower to take out entire fleets of Imperial Battleships in seconds, multi-dimensional sealing away of entire star systems, or combat usable timetravel and literal weaponized suns

@decaf_wizard said:

None of that besides time travel matters at all. Literally what you listed is exactly what the forerunners did and look what it got them, no where. The flood literally with one swipe of their star roads wiped 9 solar systems OUT in one single...swipe. They infected Forerunner slipspace which is on par with Necron transportation to the point of where Forerunners couldn't even jump into slipspace anymore and if they were lucky enough to do so, they either echoed out ( lost forever ) or it took them longer than that one fleet we see in 40k where it was gone for like 1237127312837 years and came back afterwards lol

The only benefit the Necrons have over the Flood is time and maximum firepower right off the bat. If they played the long political game, The flood could very well overrun the Necrons with logic plague and other various ways including using forerunner A.I's to help crack their heads open. Now keep in mind even from the start the Flood would put up a huge fight and it's highly unlikely the Necrons could so to speak one shot without cracking out the big guns, but said big guns are vague again nothing stopping the Flood from slipping into their own means of travel.

FYI Flood learns as it fights regardless, so yes you prolly know this, but I mean.... actually learns. We know from Halo Wars 2, Mona Lisa, Halo 1-3, etc that the flood had over time ( short time ) figured out how to activate UNSC and Covenant engines to allow them to travel to solar systems, said flood if they could crack some higher up Necrons, this means knowledge would be passed, along with possible weaknesses and so on. I mean the Didact despite all his centuries of being alive was driven mad due to the Flood, even the higher tier forerunners like The Builder were affected by the Flood. The Flood is very well capable of infecting anything and everything like said down below,

• Organic beings - humans, covies, forerunners, etc
• Robots - obviously Med bias and various forerunner A.I's, Cortana, etc
• Can infect time-space itself
• Can infect non organic non living life forms ( controlling a ships engines for example )

And various other things, they bring at their prime Forerunner ships that number obviously in the millions, with a high pop and of course star roads maps that allow them to wipe entire solar systems off the map, because they can.

Just like with the Forerunners, the Necron's only edge is time travel ( forerunners have time control just not time travel )