Human Torch & Invisible Woman VS Storm & Iceman VS Mera & Swamp Thing

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Poll Human Torch & Invisible Woman VS Storm & Iceman VS Mera & Swamp Thing (13 votes)

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X team win more times out of ten , sue is definitely a problem but I think storm can hold her off long enough for bobby to beat johnny , then it becomes a 2v1. Team dc isn't really doing anything in this fight mera is fodder and swamp thing can't win by himself

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Probably team DC. Storm is a glass canon who gets easily dropped by anyone, and Iceman can't beat any team on his own as well. Swamp Thing beats Johhny as I don't see Johhny being capable of doing anything save for like a nova blast, but that would be out of character as there are obviously going to be people who die by that. I'm not sure if Sue's forcefields can counter dehydration from Mera, but Mera can at least hold her off long enough for Swamp Thing to come in.

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#4  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

X team win more times out of ten , sue is definitely a problem but I think storm can hold her off long enough for bobby to beat johnny , then it becomes a 2v1. Team dc isn't really doing anything in this fight mera is fodder and swamp thing can't win by himself

How can Storm hold Sue off? If Sue hits Storm with a force field she's down and Bobby can't beat Johnny, they stalemate or Johnny wins due to better raw power.

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@scarlet_wiccan: How can Storm hold Sue off

Lightning spam , temperature manipulation , air manipulation etc.

If Sue hits Storm with a force field she's down

Sue will be on the defensive , blocking storms elemental attacks and ororo can also defend her self with lightning so sue hitting storm with a force field isn't taking her out

Bobby can't beat Johnny,

Lol , It's actually the opposite Bobby can't die and will always reform unlike johnny , Bobby has more raw power than johnny and has better internal hax , Bobby beats johnny mid diff.

, they stalemate or Johnny wins due to better raw power.

Bobby has more raw power than johnny and better hax , Bobby beats johnny mid diff.

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#6  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

@godlyshinigami said:

@scarlet_wiccan: How can Storm hold Sue off

Lightning spam , temperature manipulation , air manipulation etc.

If Sue hits Storm with a force field she's down

Sue will be on the defensive , blocking storms elemental attacks and ororo can also defend her self with lightning so sue hitting storm with a force field isn't taking her out

Bobby can't beat Johnny,

Lol , It's actually the opposite Bobby can't die and will always reform unlike johnny , Bobby has more raw power than johnny and has better internal hax , Bobby beats johnny mid diff.

, they stalemate or Johnny wins due to better raw power.

Bobby has more raw power than johnny and better hax , Bobby beats johnny mid diff.

You do realize Sue has a force field and that she can attack Storm while she's in her force field plus Storm can't defend herself against Sue's attack?

Sue can be on the defensive while attacking.

Johnny has overpowered a planetary Climate Canon's freeze ray, has set a planetary object on fire, destroyed a city-sized meteor with a blast, ect. So how exactly does Bobby have more raw power?

It's pretty obvious you don't understand the basics when it comes to Sue and Johnny.

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@scarlet_wiccan: You do realize Sue has a force field and that she can attack Storm while she's in her force field plus Storm can't defend herself against Sue's attack?

Nothing stop storm from manipulating the air within sue's force fields , Storm can use lightning to defend herself

Johnny has overpowered a planetary Climate Canon's freeze ray, has set a planetary object on fire, destroyed a city-sized meteor with a blast So how exactly does Bobby have more raw power?

Bobby has been able to casually freeze manhattan , he's blanketed planet earth in winter , he's frozen all of hell (which is a better feat than anything johnny has done tbh) He's created ice strong enough to pierce thor etc , So how exactly does Johnny have more raw power?

It's pretty obvious you don't understand the basics when it comes to Sue and Johnny.

I completely understand the basics of sue and johnny lol , I just don't wank them and act like their more powerful than they are unlike you.

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@scarlet_wiccan: You do realize Sue has a force field and that she can attack Storm while she's in her force field plus Storm can't defend herself against Sue's attack?

Nothing stop storm from manipulating the air within sue's force fields , Storm can use lightning to defend herself

Johnny has overpowered a planetary Climate Canon's freeze ray, has set a planetary object on fire, destroyed a city-sized meteor with a blast So how exactly does Bobby have more raw power?

Bobby has been able to casually freeze manhattan , he's blanketed planet earth in winter , he's frozen all of hell (which is a better feat than anything johnny has done tbh) He's created ice strong enough to pierce thor etc , So how exactly does Johnny have more raw power?

It's pretty obvious you don't understand the basics when it comes to Sue and Johnny.

I completely understand the basics of sue and johnny lol , I just don't wank them and act like their more powerful than they are unlike you.

Show me consistent showings of a morals-on Storm manipulating air within force fields, I know she can do it but she doesn't do it consistently for a character that's been around since 1975.

Show me consistent instances of Storm defending herself with lightning. I'm aware that Storm can create lightning or wind shields but I'm also aware that she doesn't do that near a consistent basis and tends to get tagged by attacks more regularly, also can Storm's shields block attacks that can consistently harm high-tiers.

Most of the feats you mentioned of Bobby are when he was amped by the death seed, Didn't Mystique also pierce Thor's skin in that same comic when Bobby did it?

All the feats I've mentioned are done by regular level Johnny. Bobby sure is powerful but Johnny just has better consistent feats, high-end feats and outliers.

I don't act like they are more powerful than they are because I can actually provide scans for all the statements I make on their powers levels.

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#9  Edited By GodlyShinigami

@scarlet_wiccan: Show me consistent showings of a morals-on Storm manipulating air within force fields, I know she can do it but she doesn't do it consistently for a character that's been around since 1975.

Storm hasn't used this air within force field manipulation because she has had no reason to with the exception of magneto storm doesn't fight many force field based characters , so she has had no reason to use this ability , in this fight she is fighting a character who uses force fields , I see no reason as to why she wouldn't use this ability in this fight.

I'm aware that Storm can create lightning or wind shields but I'm also aware that she doesn't do that near a consistent basis

Once again she hasn't used this ability because she has had no reason to , I see no reason why she wouldn't use this ability in this fight , considering the powerful opponents she is facing.

Most of the feats you mentioned of Bobby are when he was amped by the death seed,

When Bobby froze all of hell he wasn't amped and that one feat is better than any of the feats you've provided for Johnny , Bobby also has far better hax than johnny which combined with his superior raw power , cements Bobby's victory

I don't act like they are more powerful than they are

Yes you do , In one of my threads you stated that sue could solo rachel , cable , scarlet witch , quicksilver. If you think she can beat any of them in a 1v1 I have no problem with that in fact apart from wanda and maybe rachel I think she can beat any of them in a 1v1 fight , but to then say she can solo them is ridiculous and a prime example of wank and acting like a character is more powerful than they are.

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Swamp Thing is planet level and immortal. He solos almost all of Marvel

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#11  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

@godlyshinigami said:

@scarlet_wiccan: Show me consistent showings of a morals-on Storm manipulating air within force fields, I know she can do it but she doesn't do it consistently for a character that's been around since 1975.

Storm hasn't used this air within force field manipulation because she has had no reason to with the exception of magneto storm doesn't fight many force field based characters , so she has had no reason to use this ability , in this fight she is fighting a character who uses force fields , I see no reason as to why she wouldn't use this ability in this fight.

I'm aware that Storm can create lightning or wind shields but I'm also aware that she doesn't do that near a consistent basis

Once again she hasn't used this ability because she has had no reason to , I see no reason why she wouldn't use this ability in this fight , considering the powerful opponents she is facing.

Most of the feats you mentioned of Bobby are when he was amped by the death seed,

When Bobby froze all of hell he wasn't amped and that one feat is better than any of the feats you've provided for Johnny , Bobby also has far better hax than johnny which combined his superior raw power , cements Bobby's victory

I don't act like they are more powerful than they are

Yes you do , In one of my threads you stated that sue could solo rachel , cable , scarlet witch , quicksilver. If you think she can beat any of them in a 1v1 I have no problem with that in fact apart from wanda and maybe rachel I think she can beat any of them in a 1v1 fight , but to then say she can solo them is ridiculous and a prime example of wank and acting like a character is more powerful than they are.

Storm still hasn't manipulated the air in Magneto's force field on every occasion when they fought, her powers were also blocked by a random AIM force field, she also failed to do this with other characters with shields. There are more instances of her not manipulating the air in force fields than there are of her actually doing it. An in-character Storm with blast Sue's force field with lightning or wind because that's what she does 80% of the time.

Wrong, Storm has been tagged by attacks a lot or she dodges them sometimes, she only used lightning defensive about less than five times in all her existence.

You can't use a single feat to prove your point, it would be considered an outlier if Bobby doesn't have any other feats on that level. Didn't Bobby start melting in "Hell." If I wanted to use outliers I could easily just say Johnny embarrassed Graviton (the same guy who regularly teambusts whole rosters of Avengers) or Johnny can match power with cosmic powered Terrax.

Sue can solo Rachel, Cable, Wanda and Quicksilver because she's much faster than the first three and Quicksilver will kill himself running into her invisible force field. Sue already ignored Cable and fought Goliath in Civil War.

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If you think Rachel, Cable, Wanda and Quicksilver can beat Sue, I'd CaV it to prove that...

1. Sue is leagues above Rachel, Cable and Wanda in terms of speed.

2. Quicksilver is basically useless because Sue has shielded herself from people just as fast or faster and this is me ignoring that Sue stated that she always wears a skin-tight force field in battle.

3. Rachel, Cable and Quicksilver can't scratch Sue's force field even if their lives depended on it, Wanda who is the only one that can possibly disrupt Sue's force field is the slowest of the bunch and will get dropped before she knows what's happening.

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Swamp Thing & Mera, mainly due to Swamp Thing. He's pretty OP.

Invisible Woman & Human Torch would be runner-ups.

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@scarlet_wiccan: Storm still hasn't manipulated the air in Magneto's force field on every occasion when they fought, her powers were also blocked by a random AIM force field, she also failed to do this with other characters with shields. There are more instances of her not manipulating the air in force fields than there are of her actually doing it. An in-character Storm with blast Sue's force field with lightning or wind because that's what she does 80% of the time.

Wrong, Storm has been tagged by attacks a lot or she dodges them sometimes, she only used lightning defensive about less than five times in all her existence.

You can't use a single feat to prove your point, it would be considered an outlier if Bobby doesn't have any other feats on that level. Didn't Bobby start melting in "Hell." If I wanted to use outliers I could easily just say Johnny embarrassed Graviton (the same guy who regularly teambusts whole rosters of Avengers) or Johnny can match power with cosmic powered Terrax.

We can go on and on like this forever so I'm just gonna summarise , Storm can hold off sue long enough for Bobby to beat johnny , it then becomes a 2v1 and sue obviously looses , Mera is fodder and Swamp thing can't win by himself

If you think Rachel, Cable, Wanda and Quicksilver can beat Sue, I'd CaV it to prove that...

I wonder is this confidence or arrogance , nevertheless I don't mind doing a Cav with you , although I'll probably use another character

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@scarlet_wiccan: Storm still hasn't manipulated the air in Magneto's force field on every occasion when they fought, her powers were also blocked by a random AIM force field, she also failed to do this with other characters with shields. There are more instances of her not manipulating the air in force fields than there are of her actually doing it. An in-character Storm with blast Sue's force field with lightning or wind because that's what she does 80% of the time.

Wrong, Storm has been tagged by attacks a lot or she dodges them sometimes, she only used lightning defensive about less than five times in all her existence.

You can't use a single feat to prove your point, it would be considered an outlier if Bobby doesn't have any other feats on that level. Didn't Bobby start melting in "Hell." If I wanted to use outliers I could easily just say Johnny embarrassed Graviton (the same guy who regularly teambusts whole rosters of Avengers) or Johnny can match power with cosmic powered Terrax.

We can go on and on like this forever so I'm just gonna summarise , Storm can hold off sue long enough for Bobby to beat johnny , it then becomes a 2v1 and sue obviously looses , Mera is fodder and Swamp thing can't win by himself

If you think Rachel, Cable, Wanda and Quicksilver can beat Sue, I'd CaV it to prove that...

I wonder is this confidence or arrogance , nevertheless I don't mind doing a Cav with you , although I'll probably use another character

Storm can't hold Sue off, Sue can one-shot Storm and I don't know how Bobby can beat Johnny.

Mera isn't fodder, lol.

I don't know much about Swamp Thing but I guess he solos.

You can call it confidence or arrogance but the fact remains that the listed characters don't have the speed to contend with Sue other than Quicksilver. Ok dm me if you have a character you wanna CaV.

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No one here is doing anything to Swamp thing. He solos with massive ease.

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Mera/Swamp Thing Win due to ST being the Biggest Problem.

Other than that Storm/Iceman can pull a win too.

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#17  Edited By StarChyldeTsuna

It is my belief that the two omega level mutants Ororo munroe aka Storm the omega level mutant of weather and Robert drake aka the Iceman the omega level mutant of negative temperature would be able to more then overpower their opponents here utilizing the Iceman's global ice field. As he is the omnipotent master of negative temperature he would naturally defeat his lesser Alec holland aka the Swamp thing, the embodiment of plant life. Susan Storm richards aka the Invisible woman and her brother Johnny storm aka the Human torch the Iceman's lesser mirror will be unable to defend against the superior and unsurpassable power of the two omegas. I am unfamiliar with Mera the queen of the ocean, however I believe she is inferior to the power of the unlimited omega level mutants when paired together.

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wow wow, she's omega level, with that statement the other teams are helpless.

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@starchyldetsuna: You should realize that if we used these classifications for DC, Swamp Thing would be the absolute pinnacle of an "omega" being. Also, the statement of them being "omega" doesn't hold too much value in terms of a battle. Neither on team one can do much to Swamp Thing. You'd have to show feats that prove Iceman could just overpower Johnny.

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this comes down if sue and johnny can keep swamp thing down

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I can't believe anyone is going to ko or kill Iceman but i can't see Swamp Thing losing either. Stalemate between the two.