@scarlet_wiccan: Show me consistent showings of a morals-on Storm manipulating air within force fields, I know she can do it but she doesn't do it consistently for a character that's been around since 1975.
Storm hasn't used this air within force field manipulation because she has had no reason to with the exception of magneto storm doesn't fight many force field based characters , so she has had no reason to use this ability , in this fight she is fighting a character who uses force fields , I see no reason as to why she wouldn't use this ability in this fight.
I'm aware that Storm can create lightning or wind shields but I'm also aware that she doesn't do that near a consistent basis
Once again she hasn't used this ability because she has had no reason to , I see no reason why she wouldn't use this ability in this fight , considering the powerful opponents she is facing.
Most of the feats you mentioned of Bobby are when he was amped by the death seed,
When Bobby froze all of hell he wasn't amped and that one feat is better than any of the feats you've provided for Johnny , Bobby also has far better hax than johnny which combined his superior raw power , cements Bobby's victory
I don't act like they are more powerful than they are
Yes you do , In one of my threads you stated that sue could solo rachel , cable , scarlet witch , quicksilver. If you think she can beat any of them in a 1v1 I have no problem with that in fact apart from wanda and maybe rachel I think she can beat any of them in a 1v1 fight , but to then say she can solo them is ridiculous and a prime example of wank and acting like a character is more powerful than they are.
Storm still hasn't manipulated the air in Magneto's force field on every occasion when they fought, her powers were also blocked by a random AIM force field, she also failed to do this with other characters with shields. There are more instances of her not manipulating the air in force fields than there are of her actually doing it. An in-character Storm with blast Sue's force field with lightning or wind because that's what she does 80% of the time.
Wrong, Storm has been tagged by attacks a lot or she dodges them sometimes, she only used lightning defensive about less than five times in all her existence.
You can't use a single feat to prove your point, it would be considered an outlier if Bobby doesn't have any other feats on that level. Didn't Bobby start melting in "Hell." If I wanted to use outliers I could easily just say Johnny embarrassed Graviton (the same guy who regularly teambusts whole rosters of Avengers) or Johnny can match power with cosmic powered Terrax.
Sue can solo Rachel, Cable, Wanda and Quicksilver because she's much faster than the first three and Quicksilver will kill himself running into her invisible force field. Sue already ignored Cable and fought Goliath in Civil War.
If you think Rachel, Cable, Wanda and Quicksilver can beat Sue, I'd CaV it to prove that...
1. Sue is leagues above Rachel, Cable and Wanda in terms of speed.
2. Quicksilver is basically useless because Sue has shielded herself from people just as fast or faster and this is me ignoring that Sue stated that she always wears a skin-tight force field in battle.
3. Rachel, Cable and Quicksilver can't scratch Sue's force field even if their lives depended on it, Wanda who is the only one that can possibly disrupt Sue's force field is the slowest of the bunch and will get dropped before she knows what's happening.
It is my belief that the two omega level mutants Ororo munroe aka Storm the omega level mutant of weather and Robert drake aka the Iceman the omega level mutant of negative temperature would be able to more then overpower their opponents here utilizing the Iceman's global ice field. As he is the omnipotent master of negative temperature he would naturally defeat his lesser Alec holland aka the Swamp thing, the embodiment of plant life. Susan Storm richards aka the Invisible woman and her brother Johnny storm aka the Human torch the Iceman's lesser mirror will be unable to defend against the superior and unsurpassable power of the two omegas. I am unfamiliar with Mera the queen of the ocean, however I believe she is inferior to the power of the unlimited omega level mutants when paired together.
@scarlet_wiccan: Storm has beaten human torch not once but twice and Johnny can't counter absolute zero. The only problems on this board are sue and swamp thing.
And Johnny has beaten Graviton (a teambuster) in canon but that doesn't mean it's valid.
As you can see Johnny already countered absolute zero back in the 80's and he's grown immensely since.
OT: I'm not sure about Swamp Thing but Sue and Johnny can definitely deal with the rest.
@scarlet_wiccan: Pull up the scans if him beating graviton and we will see. So that's him raising his body temperature and not in a fight so it's inadmissible in this. He wouldn't have hurt her he's delusional. And can you explain the other time she beat him. Johnny can't beat Iceman or Storm he's the weak link here.
Remember this also happened in the 80's.
I don't see how it not being in a fight is inadmissible when you can't even prove he's effected by cold.
I'm aware Storm is resistant to temperatures but she's not immune and she has been pushed to her limits before just like Johnny being heat resistant but can be affected by Cosmic levels of heat like Firelord's.
I'm not sure about what other time you're referring to.
Storm can be very tricky and if Johnny holds back she can overwhelm him but if he's serious he could just blitz her and punch her if he didn't want to kill her with a Nova Blast.
Johnny is much faster than Bobby, he's more powerful and Bobby's best is absolute zero which he can counter so how exactly does Bobby stand a chance?
I'd CaV any match here if you still think Bobby or Storm beats Johnny.
@scarlet_wiccan: so it happened before graviton was a established team buster or when he was at the height of his powers so not impressive? Got it.
From West Coast Avengers #12
The Avengers #159
The Avengers #159
These are all from before Johnny fought him. Btw that's the weirdest excuse I've ever heard that he wasn't established as a teambuster when he literally teambusted on his first appearance.
The reason most of Storms opponents live is because she's holding back.
And Johnny goes full Nova everytime he fights? He also holds back if you had random knowledge on him you'd know this.
Storm tanked a punch from spiderman who is physically more powerful than Johnny so only thing that would do would piss her off. Nothing to prove he can beat her when he couldn't before.
It's an outlier since Storm has peak human durability at best, and she's been KO'ed by people physically weaker than Spider-Man.
Didn't crystal also take Johnny out before someone who is explicitly weaker than Storm.
Johnny hasn't been in a serious fight with Crystal where he deliberately tried to harm her ever.
Crystal has matched Storm's lightning with fire, she's casually removed Storm's lightning from Gorgon and Storm herself said Crystal's powers rival her own.
Bobby has completely put hell out wtf is Johnny gonna?
We only see about a city-block of ice worth in that instance unless you can tell me the exact size of "Hell" or do you consider Bobby dimensional level since Hell is a dimension?
Didn't Johnny also get blitz by daken lol.
Scans of this? If you wanna lowball we can do that just let me know.
Idk how to do cav put I'd be more than happy to debate it on other platforms
It's pretty easy we both get three posts each to provide feats and evidence why we think our character wins because this back and forth is pointless and tiresome if you don't even know the basis of Johnny's character.
Here's an example.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/cav-invisible-woman-scarlet-wiccan-vs-scarlet-witc-2172558/
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