Take place in central city
R1 : Morals on
R2 : Bloodlusted
No prep
No knoweldge
Who wins ?
@firestarlord73194: Reason ?
Round 1: Wally West
Round 2: Wally West also wins
Wally has more consistent feats when it comes to speed that simply are better than Superman.
@eobard21: it was stated on panel that pre crisis Clark has infinite speed, meaning he can match Wally at his best. On top of that solar system + level strength, ridiculous feats like sneezing away planets and the silver age ability to make up ridiculous powers on the fly puts him a bit above Wally who at his best has potential for infinite speed but not all the additional stuff that Clark has. Usually I go Flash but I’m pre crisis logic plays by different rules
@firestarlord73194: I see thanks !
it was stated on panel that pre crisis Clark has infinite speed
By bursting the bonds of Infinity? That doesn't necessarily mean Infinite speed. Pre-Crisis Supes has also been matched, and isn't the fastest in the Universe.
@eobard21: Yup.
it was stated on panel that pre crisis Clark has infinite speed
By bursting the bonds of Infinity? That doesn't necessarily mean Infinite speed. Pre-Crisis Supes has also been matched, and isn't the fastest in the Universe.
To be fair though, in that instance, Superman was tearing through all of the barriers of reality like tissue paper while moving at those speeds. When he broke through the bonds of infinity, he broke the final barrier of reality, which I think indicates that he went beyond any possible possible barrier of speed, which is what it means when it says he broke the bonds of infinity, or in other words, flew faster than infinity. This is even supported by the fact that Superman had to be stopped by Spectre himself or he would have destroyed destroyed the universe and crossed into heaven.
I don't think Superman flying through the bonds on infinity meant that he was literally flying infinitely fast. For starters, he would have had no issues catching Supergirl, if he was.
@doctordamn: Iirc he didn't phase himself out of existence, he just Went so fast that no pre crisis heroes could even notice him
@kasya_carey: No but he's faster than teleportation
@firestarlord73194: But wasn't wally at one moment so fast that even pre crisis supes couldnt see him ?
@eobard21: you can’t measure teleportation though.
@kasya_carey: True but he crossed the universe in an instant that would easily make him fast enough to be able to fight sa supes
@supermanwithatan01: Reason of why it's not close ?
Superman. Flash has no way to even hurt Superman. Bfr won’t work. Phasing won’t work. This is not even taking into account that Superman already has a speed feat that’s arguably just as impressive as Flash’s feat.
@kanyecosby: Bfr can't work ?
@eobard21: Superman has shown the ability to casually travel through time, other dimensions, and even other universes with ease.
@kanyecosby: does that mean that he can break himself out of the speedforce ? If wally was to bfr him ?
@eobard21: Wally has advantages Superman just doesn’t have: Wally’s much, much faster in this incarnation. Wally’s able to phase organs and body parts off without physical might being able to touch him, Wally’s got the capability to lend speed (not steal it yet iirc) which is what Walter West used to fry electrons in brains, Wally being the superior. The only advantages Superman has are irrelevant given phasing alone.
@supermanwithatan01: Thanks for the answer
@eobard21: no problem
@eobard21: Wally has advantages Superman just doesn’t have: Wally’s much, much faster in this incarnation. Wally’s able to phase organs and body parts off without physical might being able to touch him, Wally’s got the capability to lend speed (not steal it yet iirc) which is what Walter West used to fry electrons in brains, Wally being the superior. The only advantages Superman has are irrelevant given phasing alone.
Phasing isn’t going to work.
@eobard21: it was stated on panel that pre crisis Clark has infinite speed, meaning he can match Wally at his best. On top of that solar system + level strength, ridiculous feats like sneezing away planets and the silver age ability to make up ridiculous powers on the fly puts him a bit above Wally who at his best has potential for infinite speed but not all the additional stuff that Clark has. Usually I go Flash but I’m pre crisis logic plays by different rules
No, no, no no no, stop it stop it STOP IT. R1 ok I hear you, but R2, Clark dies my guy. He gets blitzed, and a phase thru the brain.
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