@ihateicarly: how would you know he can do that, what if he cant, what if cyttorak just decides to take it away once it looked like he was going to lose or cyttorak didn't have enough power to give him to beat the hulk. there is more i can say, there is an infinite amount of possibilities.
Is it possible that Cyttorak for some reason decides to not give Cain all of that infinite power? Why or why not? What is the relationship between Cyttorak and Cain, despite the obvious?
" the more jug punches the hulk, the madder he gets the stronger he gets. "
and he gets tired and slows down "
Not before getting strong enough to beat him. Like he did as WarHulk. Because all that Celestial tech did was give him his full potential without having to get angry. Eventually his anger would reach that limt and show how powerful the Hulk really is.
" the more jug punches the hulk, the madder he gets the stronger he gets. "
and he gets tired and slows down "
Not before getting strong enough to beat him. Like he did as WarHulk. Because all that Celestial tech did was give him his full potential without having to get angry. Eventually his anger would reach that limt and show how powerful the Hulk really is. "
Biggest fanboy statement ever. Hulk has never been shown to get close to overpowering Juggernaut on his own. It was ENTIRELY the celestial tech that did it and I would not be surprised if Aunt May could do that to Juggernaut with Celestial technology.
In that Cyttorak can give Cain all the power that he needs, yea. "
Cyttorak isn't infinite in power so he can't grant infinite power and definitely not outside his crimson cosmos "
The ruby is Cyttorak's gateway from the Crimson Cosmos, he can give his avatar as much power as he needs through it. Cyttorak is omnipotent in its dimension and has unlimited power in it so when he's flowing power through his avatar it doesn't have a limit to how much it can give.
Regardless if Cyttorak's power is unlimited or not its still more than enough to insure that Juggernaut > Hulk every time.
@CortSether: If you disagree, then give a reason the tech didn't add to his power because it's near infinite any His limit is because of his limit of rage If the Hulk didn't have a limit to his rage, then there would be no limit to his strength The tech took away the limit of rage as being a factor for his strength Allowing him to be a his full potential Aunt may has no potential for strength
It woul dbe like the Juggernaut instantly having the full potential strength given by Cyttorak without having to get from Cyttorak
Now if you disagree with what was said give a reason
@CortSether: And I am a fanboy and proud of it But i would never to go as far as to make a argument for the Hulk to beat someone he can't (like Superman)
But I will make a argument for Juggernaut and Thor where others feel that he can't
" the more jug punches the hulk, the madder he gets the stronger he gets. "
and he gets tired and slows down "
Not before getting strong enough to beat him. Like he did as WarHulk. Because all that Celestial tech did was give him his full potential without having to get angry. Eventually his anger would reach that limt and show how powerful the Hulk really is. "
Juggernaut, Hulk can't hurt him, and eventuaully Hulk will expend all of his anger and energy. I suppose you could argue somehow he could throw him so hard he reaches escape velocity for the BFR but I highly doubt it.
" Juggernaut, Hulk can't hurt him, and eventuaully Hulk will expend all of his anger and energy.I suppose you could argue somehow he could throw him so hard he reaches escape velocity for the BFR but I highly doubt it. "
you could argue that juggernaut could throw him that hard as well
@the human Juggernaut: Hence why I said Juggernaut wins. I was merely mentioning that because it's the ONLY way possible I can see Hulk winning. Like I said, hulk cannot harm Juggernaut.
" Juggernaut, Hulk can't hurt him, and eventuaully Hulk will expend all of his anger and energy.I suppose you could argue somehow he could throw him so hard he reaches escape velocity for the BFR but I highly doubt it. "
" Juggernaut, Hulk can't hurt him, and eventuaully Hulk will expend all of his anger and energy.I suppose you could argue somehow he could throw him so hard he reaches escape velocity for the BFR but I highly doubt it. "
" Juggernaut, Hulk can't hurt him, and eventuaully Hulk will expend all of his anger and energy.I suppose you could argue somehow he could throw him so hard he reaches escape velocity for the BFR but I highly doubt it. "
hulk is considered the second strongest person in the marvel universe after the sentry. the hulk beat blackbolt, who uses one of hulks weaknesses against him.
juggernaut is one of the few people who i feel can over power the hulk unless he gets really really pissed for some random reason than hulk curbstomps jugs
" jugg's magic doesnt give him magic powers it just makes him stronger. "
He has been shown to be able to use magic in certain situations. He once learned a good deal how to use his magic but he traded all of the knowledge he gained in order to exit the realm of Oblivion.
" @bloodymagic16: Hulk has no defense against magical powers, meaning that Hulk would lose. %Pr "
Does Juggernaut regularly use magical spells now?
The mystical origin of his powers really hasn't effected Hulk much differently than, say, getting punched in the face by someone with non-mystical powers (IE: Abomination).
@Sparda: I am having a lot of difficulty understanding the nature of Hulk's and Juggernaut's powers. I thought that Juggernaut's powers were magical and Hulk got stronger when he got angrier. However, Hulk's anger and therefore strength is not infinite right? %Pr
" @Sparda: I having a lot of difficulty understanding the nature of Hulk's and Juggernaut's powers. I thought that Juggernaut's powers were magical and Hulk got stronger when he got angrier. However, Hulk's anger and therefore strength is not infinite right? %Pr "
I believe that Hulk's anger is infinite because of the transformation (humans might have limited anger-since they'd have aneurisms or so after a point-but Hulk isn't human) or something (think I read that in a guidebook or encyclopedia somewhere), so his strength should be, potentially, infinite as well.
Juggernaut's powers are magical in origin, but I don't think that changes their basics. I mean, I don't think that it would matter in a fight with Hulk that his powers are magical, because he doesn't apply them in magical ways (he's not breaking the laws of physics with spells or anything). Although, is Juggernaut's strength infinite? Cytorrak isn't omnipotent outside of his realm, to the best of my knowledge, so eventually Juggs should hit a limit......if his strength was really infinite from the get-go he shouldn't ever lose to anyone that he could tag.
" @Sparda: Okay. So Juggernaut's powers and strength are both not infinite? I was saying that he uses magic to increase his strength to infinite levels. Is that correct or not? %Pr "
I don't think he uses magic, I think Cytorrak uses magic to power Juggs. Whether he's really got infinite strength or not, I don't know.
My original response was directed to you saying that Hulk has no defense against magical powers, so he would lose. I don't know about all this infinite strength stuff, I was pointing out that I don't think Juggs uses his powers in any "magical" way, so it really doesn't matter if Hulk has a defense or not because it doesn't change the situation.
" @Sparda: Yeah, but I mean how is the Juggernaut "unstoppable?" How has the Juggernaut been able to, for instance, withstand Thor's blasts? %Pr "
He's got extremely potent durability and a (possibly) impregnable shield granted to him via Cytorrak.
He's unstoppable because it's one of his abilities.....granted to him by Cytorrak. Magical in origin, but he doesn't utilize it in any way other than the physical.
" @Sparda: What can break through his shield? %Pr "
I don't think anything has yet (maybe Onslaught, but I can't remember and a lot of people consider that PIS). Thor cut off Juggs' link to Cytorrak or something once which disabled the shield so he could get some shots off.
Jugg can beat Hulk for all reasons. Jugg is much more durable then Hulk. (jugg cant be realy hurt by physical attack). In official Marvel info Cain is stated to be the most industrictible of all normal super heroes in Marvel. Jugg has limitless stamina, Hulk can get tired. Jugg can have force field which make him even more industrictible than usual. Jugg has much better regenerative healing factor than H (in official Marvel info Cain's healing factor is stated to be the best of all normal super heroes). Classic Jugg is at least as strong as max enraged H (but showed that is even stronger in his basic form, was able to let himself free from H's grisp, put H's hand to direction he wants, etc). J can have much more power then he can reach even more incalculible level of strength etc.
@Bor: WWH is not a normal superhero i wouldnt really call him a hero, i'd say hes neutral. whenever he gets in a fight he gets mad because he wants them to leave him alone. he fights more heroes than villians also. also the madder he is the stronger hulk's abilities get.
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