morals off
616 standard versions
who wins ?
Hulk vs Gladiator and Hyperion
@the_red_devil said:
@captaincoolade: @rampagethefirst: But yet managed to beat Hyperion , stalemate Thor and Surfer in their fights.
You can't really blame Gladiator , the writers write him very inconsistently , you have him stalemate guys at par / above Hulk level and then lose to Eric Masterson. On the other hand Hulk is written a lot more consistently.
He didn't stalemate Thor, 616 Gladiator never fought 616 Thor, 616 Gladiator actually lost to Eric Masterson who is a weaker Thor and he NEVER fought Surfer, i dunno where you got this but the only time he ever THOUGHT about fighting Surfer ended up in Surfer telling him to step down before he casually one-shots him
The only other time you might be thinking of them fighting is in the Marvel Adventures, which are non-canon.
No we can't blame the character but we also can't excuse the character, if the character is written inconsistently and loses to mid-tiers that still can't be ignored, it's a part of him and just means that he has a far less chance of winning here then the more consistent character. In fact apart from Gladiator already losing to a pre-core breach weakened Hulk, let me show you several direct comparisons between them and why Hulk ultimately STOMPS him.
Annhilius fight with Gladiator
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Annhilius fight with Hulk
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Hulk lasted longer, tanked more attacks, actually managed to damage Annhilius and in the end Annhilius even makes a reference to Gladiator stating that Hulk was more of a challenge.
Heimdall vs Gladiator
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Heimdall vs Hulk
Gladiator fails to take him out with a galaxy long blitz and struggles to beat him after a long and painful fight, while Hulk casually slaps Heimdall away.
The next part i will just copy from @lvenger and what he said in another thread since i am lazy and he already said it perfectly.
In contrast, Immortal Hulk takes down his field and nearly kills Cannonball with a backhand
When fighting Wonder Man, Gladiator opted to BFR Simon into the planet's core with multiple blows rather than trying to overpower Simon in a slugfest.
In contrast, when Immortal Hulk fought a more powerful Wonder Man than the one Gladiator fought, he casually restrains him and could have torn off Simon's head in his own words.
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When Eric Masterson took control of Living Lightning and used him on Gladiator, this stunned Kallark long enough for Eric to overpower him.
Against Immortal Hulk, Living Lightning fires a full power blast at Hulk only for him to no sell it without a scratch.
And the last comparison can be seen in Gladiator's performance against Jane Foster. Jane was able to stagger Kallark in a single blow and was only overpowered after Kid Gladiator distracted her with heat vision.
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Once again, by striking contrast, Immortal Hulk tanks a punch from Hercules, which hurts his hand, followed by a strike from Jane and shrugged off the combined grip of Jane and Hercules, both of whom displayed planetary lifting strength in the same story.
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On top of Immortal Hulk's superior striking and ridiculously overpowered healing factor, there's no scenario where Gladiator is beating this Hulk.
So yea Gladiator is under no circumstances beating Hulk, especially after he already lost to a pre-amped weakened one.
The sheer differences between the 2 are ridiculous at this point.
Edit: Even in the case that there is no Immortal Hulk allowed in this thread, i still don't see a scenario where Gladiator beats standard 616 Hulk which still includes guys like Green Scar and Indestructible Hulk.
@the_red_devil: 616 Gladiator never fought 616 Thor, as the Gladiator you are referring to comes from the Reinging future which was moved to Earth-3515,
which is where he got BFR'd by Odin once he realized he isn't from our world
So that's Gladiator from Earth 3515.
Another instance of non-canon Gladiator comes from Fantastic Four vol.1 #339 which was confirmed in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes from 2005 to be from Earth-8810 from where Galactus died and was revived by an alternate version of a Celestial and whose hunger intensified to the point of actually eating the universe as opposed to planets.
I appreciate you linking me your CAV but i have no need or time to read any of that and that's nothing personal against you i just dont care for CAV's in genera.
Anyway the Surfer fight is non-canon
For instance Marvel Adventure vol.1 #1 takes place on Earth-TRN566
While the later relaunched series in 2005 takes place on Earth-20051
These things are not canon, they were never meant to be canon, they were standalone stories launched for younger readers each having it's own self contained story that doesn't affect the 616 universe.
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