Hulk and Beta Ray Bill VS Gladiator and Wonder Woman

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Rules:

  • Hulk is allowed WBH feats
  • Gladiator is at normal levels of confidence
  • WW is allowed Pre-Flashpoint/N52 Feats
  • WW has her standard equipment
  • WBH has duel ShadowForge blades strapped to his back
  • Both Sides In Character
  • Win by any means besides BFR
  • WBH is given BRB's level of speed
  • Fight takes place in a deserted city with 20ft starting distance
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Gladiator is a MASSIVE weak link here. Team 1 wins. Neither hesitates to kill in character.

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Team 1 owns. Hulk while in a dying state with shrapnel inside him and the energy of two universes was already able to beat the shit out of Gladiator. He tried every trick in the book, from his own "strength", BFR and heat vision. None of it worked. Bill will be able to handle Diana with his own versatility and strength with Stormbreaker, which leaves her at the mercy of Hulk and Bill once he finishes off Gladiator. She either gets beaten to near death or she gets ripped to pieces and Hulk and Bill go out for drinks afterwards.

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@clamps said:

Team 1 owns. Hulk while in a dying state with shrapnel inside him and the energy of two universes was already able to beat the shit out of Gladiator. He tried every trick in the book, from his own "strength", BFR and heat vision. None of it worked. Bill will be able to handle Diana with his own versatility and strength with Stormbreaker, which leaves her at the mercy of Hulk and Bill once he finishes off Gladiator. She either gets beaten to near death or she gets ripped to pieces and Hulk and Bill go out for drinks afterwards.

Gladiator's heat vision could burn through Hulk's body but not his hand as the same heat vision that equalled Tyrant's and Phoenix Cyke, pis comic was pis. Team 2 due to speed blitz.

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Hulk has the potential to solo, BRB makes it a wreckhouse.

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#7  Edited By FirstHunter

@hellionvulcan:

Your post makes a good point. This battle isn't very fair.

I'm giving Hulk WBH feats to even it up a bit. Is it better?

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#8  Edited By Clamps

@hellionvulcan said:
@clamps said:

Team 1 owns. Hulk while in a dying state with shrapnel inside him and the energy of two universes was already able to beat the shit out of Gladiator. He tried every trick in the book, from his own "strength", BFR and heat vision. None of it worked. Bill will be able to handle Diana with his own versatility and strength with Stormbreaker, which leaves her at the mercy of Hulk and Bill once he finishes off Gladiator. She either gets beaten to near death or she gets ripped to pieces and Hulk and Bill go out for drinks afterwards.

Gladiator's heat vision could burn through Hulk's body but not his hand as the same heat vision that equalled Tyrant's and Phoenix Cyke, pis comic was pis. Team 2 due to speed blitz.

Gladiator's HV didn't even reach Hulk's heart and again a dying Hulk who was still able to overcome it and grab his face. If his HV actually matched Tyrant and Phoenix Cyclops then thats PIS, considering the massive gap in power between them and Gladiator, please know the difference and abandon your bias. Team 2 loses, because Gladiators already been overcome by high tiers at their lowest point including Eric Masterson and Bill isn't going to have any problems with Diana's speed. Neither is the Hulk, since Gladiator literally tried every trick in the book and it still didn't work.

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WBH could borderline solo, and I wouldn't hesitate to say he could if not for Diana's speed. Bill tips this massively in team one's favor

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@hellionvulcan:

Your post makes a good point. This battle isn't very fair.

I'm giving Hulk WBH feats to even it up a bit. Is it better?

Hahaha, WBH solos and then wrecks Bill as a side effect. Gladiator is overrated. A much weaker Hulk already beat gladiator. There's no need to change the OP except to maybe give WW a better partner than Gladiator. Indestructible Hulk STOMPS Gladiator.

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#11  Edited By Warlockmage

WBH could solo all 3...

Beta is the only factor and hes on his team

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@20damon said:

Gladiator is a MASSIVE weak link here. Team 1 wins. Neither hesitates to kill in character.

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#13  Edited By Clamps

Since this has now changed to WBH he could stomp them all at once. Nah Hulk wouldn't do that to Bill, he just vaporizes Kallark and Diana with a gamma burst.

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#14  Edited By HellionVulcan
@clamps said:
@hellionvulcan said:
@clamps said:

Team 1 owns. Hulk while in a dying state with shrapnel inside him and the energy of two universes was already able to beat the shit out of Gladiator. He tried every trick in the book, from his own "strength", BFR and heat vision. None of it worked. Bill will be able to handle Diana with his own versatility and strength with Stormbreaker, which leaves her at the mercy of Hulk and Bill once he finishes off Gladiator. She either gets beaten to near death or she gets ripped to pieces and Hulk and Bill go out for drinks afterwards.

Gladiator's heat vision could burn through Hulk's body but not his hand as the same heat vision that equalled Tyrant's and Phoenix Cyke, pis comic was pis. Team 2 due to speed blitz.

Gladiator's HV didn't even reach Hulk's heart and again a dying Hulk who was still able to overcome it and grab his face. If his HV actually matched Tyrant and Phoenix Cyclops then thats PIS, considering the massive gap in power between them and Gladiator, please know the difference and abandon your bias. Team 2 loses, because Gladiators already been overcome by high tiers at their lowest point including Eric Masterson and Bill isn't going to have any problems with Diana's speed. Neither is the Hulk, since Gladiator literally tried every trick in the book and it still didn't work.

It's pis because Gladiator lasted the longest against Tyrant over Surfer Beta ray and every other high tier Herald. Lets see during the Hulk/Gladiator fight Gladiator bear hugged Hulk and flew him towards our outer atmosphere, which is a feat he has done 2/3 times before instantly but with Hulk it took him so long Hulk could react, pis. Gladiator's optic blast rips through Hulk's body but not his hand because Hulk's hand is far more durable than his body, pis. The entire fight happened in an area filled with Gladiators weakness,plot device as Gladiator using only a faction of his speed could remove Hulk from the battle instantly while Wonder Woman defeats Bill.

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gladiator is weak link, WBH could probably solo

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@clamps said:
@hellionvulcan said:
@clamps said:

Team 1 owns. Hulk while in a dying state with shrapnel inside him and the energy of two universes was already able to beat the shit out of Gladiator. He tried every trick in the book, from his own "strength", BFR and heat vision. None of it worked. Bill will be able to handle Diana with his own versatility and strength with Stormbreaker, which leaves her at the mercy of Hulk and Bill once he finishes off Gladiator. She either gets beaten to near death or she gets ripped to pieces and Hulk and Bill go out for drinks afterwards.

Gladiator's heat vision could burn through Hulk's body but not his hand as the same heat vision that equalled Tyrant's and Phoenix Cyke, pis comic was pis. Team 2 due to speed blitz.

Gladiator's HV didn't even reach Hulk's heart and again a dying Hulk who was still able to overcome it and grab his face. If his HV actually matched Tyrant and Phoenix Cyclops then thats PIS, considering the massive gap in power between them and Gladiator, please know the difference and abandon your bias. Team 2 loses, because Gladiators already been overcome by high tiers at their lowest point including Eric Masterson and Bill isn't going to have any problems with Diana's speed. Neither is the Hulk, since Gladiator literally tried every trick in the book and it still didn't work.

It's pis because Gladiator lasted the longest against Tyrant over Surfer Beta ray and every other high tier Herald. Lets see during the Hulk/Gladiator fight Gladiator bear hugged Hulk and flew him towards our outer atmosphere, which is a feat he has done 2/3 times before instantly but with Hulk it took him so long Hulk could react, pis. Gladiator's optic blast rips through Hulk's body but not his hand because Hulk's hand is far more durable than his body, pis. The entire fight happened in an area filled with Gladiators weakness,plot device as Gladiator using only a faction of his speed could remove Hulk from the battle instantly while Wonder Woman defeats Bill.

Because while Gladiator has more speed, he doesn't have enough to make Hulk helpless. PLEASE, Gladiator has NEVER shown enough combat speed to make the likes of Hulk helpless. You're full of shit if you're claiming that. Gladiator has great travel speed, true, but he's never shown combat speed at light speed. You're giving him WAY more credit than he deserves. He was severely weakened when they last fought and still won. You can call it PiS if you want but it's well in line with Gladiator's previous showings.

Unless of course, you want to give us some scans to show Gladiator's consistency and not just try to make him out to be anywhere near Tyrant's level.

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#17  Edited By Clamps

@hellionvulcan:

It's pis because Gladiator lasted the longest against Tyrant over Surfer Beta ray and every other high tier Herald. Lets see during the Hulk/Gladiator fight Gladiator bear hugged Hulk and flew him towards our outer atmosphere, which is a feat he has done 2/3 times before instantly but with Hulk it took him so long Hulk could react, pis. Gladiator's optic blast rips through Hulk's body but not his hand because Hulk's hand is far more durable than his body, pis.

Can you sound a bit more comprehensible here? Shouting PIS because the instance doesn't suit your bias is no way to debate. The fact that by feats Gladiator even lasted as long against Tyrant is an outlier if not incredibly inconsistent with the rest of the people he fought during that arc. Both Bill and Surfer outclass him by feats and even mentioning Gladiator in the same sentence as a herald is an insult to guys like Surfer. Gladiator tried to fight Hulk on the ground and then tried to BFR him into space. Hulk proceeded to thunderclap him and nearly deafen Gladiator before both of them fell back to the Earth. Hulk's hand is far more durable than his body? You're not making sense here. Hulk is just as durable inside and outside, as people like Ant-Man have come to figure out.

The entire fight happened in an area filled with Gladiators weakness,plot device as Gladiator using only a faction of his speed could remove Hulk from the battle instantly while Wonder Woman defeats Bill.

Wrong again. After Hulk was done beating up on Gladiator he decided to be much more cruel and add insult to injury by throwing him in a nuclear reactor. The only reason he was stopped from killing him was because of a Changeling child that begged him to stop. Gladiator's methods failed against a dying Hulk, this is Savage without the shrapnel or energy of the universes as well as Indestructible feats. He stomps Glads, and even if by some small chance Beta Ray Bill has a problem with Wonder Woman, they'll both gang up on her and its going to get very ugly from that point on.

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#19  Edited By HellionVulcan

@20damon said:
@hellionvulcan said:
@clamps said:
@hellionvulcan said:
@clamps said:

Team 1 owns. Hulk while in a dying state with shrapnel inside him and the energy of two universes was already able to beat the shit out of Gladiator. He tried every trick in the book, from his own "strength", BFR and heat vision. None of it worked. Bill will be able to handle Diana with his own versatility and strength with Stormbreaker, which leaves her at the mercy of Hulk and Bill once he finishes off Gladiator. She either gets beaten to near death or she gets ripped to pieces and Hulk and Bill go out for drinks afterwards.

Gladiator's heat vision could burn through Hulk's body but not his hand as the same heat vision that equalled Tyrant's and Phoenix Cyke, pis comic was pis. Team 2 due to speed blitz.

Gladiator's HV didn't even reach Hulk's heart and again a dying Hulk who was still able to overcome it and grab his face. If his HV actually matched Tyrant and Phoenix Cyclops then thats PIS, considering the massive gap in power between them and Gladiator, please know the difference and abandon your bias. Team 2 loses, because Gladiators already been overcome by high tiers at their lowest point including Eric Masterson and Bill isn't going to have any problems with Diana's speed. Neither is the Hulk, since Gladiator literally tried every trick in the book and it still didn't work.

It's pis because Gladiator lasted the longest against Tyrant over Surfer Beta ray and every other high tier Herald. Lets see during the Hulk/Gladiator fight Gladiator bear hugged Hulk and flew him towards our outer atmosphere, which is a feat he has done 2/3 times before instantly but with Hulk it took him so long Hulk could react, pis. Gladiator's optic blast rips through Hulk's body but not his hand because Hulk's hand is far more durable than his body, pis. The entire fight happened in an area filled with Gladiators weakness,plot device as Gladiator using only a faction of his speed could remove Hulk from the battle instantly while Wonder Woman defeats Bill.

Because while Gladiator has more speed, he doesn't have enough to make Hulk helpless. PLEASE, Gladiator has NEVER shown enough combat speed to make the likes of Hulk helpless. You're full of shit if you're claiming that. Gladiator has great travel speed, true, but he's never shown combat speed at light speed. You're giving him WAY more credit than he deserves. He was severely weakened when they last fought and still won. You can call it PiS if you want but it's well in line with Gladiator's previous showings.

Unless of course, you want to give us some scans to show Gladiator's consistency and not just try to make him out to be anywhere near Tyrant's level.

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Now we ask why did it take longer for Gladiator to get Hulk near space over Supreme or Drax, Considering Supreme is a being with a reaction time a million times faster than Hulk's but still couldn't react to Gladiator, pis. "Gladiator's consistency and not just try to make him out to be anywhere near Tyrant's level." I said optic blast or did you not understand that ?

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@firsthunter: It's not BFR when no location is listed as why couldn't the fight go to space.

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#21  Edited By Clamps

@hellionvulcan: Hmm lets see here. In all 3 of these instances you're saying that Glads would be moving at different speeds to move them into space? Why?

1. Are you seriously comparing Current Drax to Savage Hulk? LOL.

2. Do you mean Hyperion? Show me some feats of this Supreme or Hyperion..or whoever that is being faster than the Hulk in combat speed or reaction time.

3. Here we have the scan proceeding this infamous moment and the result of his failed BFR on a dying Hulk.

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#22  Edited By FirstHunter

@hellionvulcan said:

@firsthunter: It's not BFR when no location is listed as why couldn't the fight go to space.

Location is a deserted city. There. Now no BFR.

Is the match more even now? I added in Hulk getting ShadowForge swords and WBH feats just in case. Since Gladiator is so OP.

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Yeah, he tried it with Hulk and Hulk was fast enough to react to him, which, you know, IS CONSISTENT FOR HULK.

Consistency for Hulk doesn't make it PiS. I'm always of the opinion that if you really need to discredit the other side's feats you're fighting a losing battle. Hulk has very high hypersonic feats. Which is very similar combat speed to what Gladiator has shown.

Here's a recent example of them fighting the exact same foe. An amped Annihilus who fought Thanos equally

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Y'know whats funny is that Annihilus flatout admitted Hulk gave him a better fight than Glads did. Lol. Have yet to also see a competent reason on how WW stomps BRB in a 1v1 match. Or how Glads survives a planetary gamma burst.

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@hellionvulcan said:

@firsthunter: It's not BFR when no location is listed as why couldn't the fight go to space.

Location is a deserted city. There. Now no BFR.

Is the match more even now? I added in Hulk getting ShadowForge swords and WBH feats just in case. Since Gladiator is so OP.

Hahaha, you're turning this into even more of a mismatch. WBHulk literally one shots Gladiator by striking the ground :P

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#26  Edited By FirstHunter

@20damon said:
@firsthunter said:
said:

@firsthunter: It's not BFR when no location is listed as why couldn't the fight go to space.

Location is a deserted city. There. Now no BFR.

Is the match more even now? I added in Hulk getting ShadowForge swords and WBH feats just in case. Since Gladiator is so OP.

Hahaha, you're turning this into even more of a mismatch. WBHulk literally one shots Gladiator by striking the ground :P

But the speed advantage. Oh wait, I'm gonna give WBH BRB's speed.

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@20damon said:
@firsthunter said:
@hellionvulcan said:

@firsthunter: It's not BFR when no location is listed as why couldn't the fight go to space.

Location is a deserted city. There. Now no BFR.

Is the match more even now? I added in Hulk getting ShadowForge swords and WBH feats just in case. Since Gladiator is so OP.

Hahaha, you're turning this into even more of a mismatch. WBHulk literally one shots Gladiator by striking the ground :P

He wouldnt do that, gladiator will bullrush into hulk and kill himself in process.

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Hulk and BRB

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#30 thedailybagel  Moderator

Hulk could genuinely solo all three

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Not touching this.

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WBH solos all three of them in a good fight.

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Bill bodies glads and has a real fight with Diana, hulk ain't needed.

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@20damon said:

Yeah, he tried it with Hulk and Hulk was fast enough to react to him, which, you know, IS CONSISTENT FOR HULK.

Consistency for Hulk doesn't make it PiS. I'm always of the opinion that if you really need to discredit the other side's feats you're fighting a losing battle. Hulk has very high hypersonic feats. Which is very similar combat speed to what Gladiator has shown.

Here's a recent example of them fighting the exact same foe. An amped Annihilus who fought Thanos equally

Why not post this ? the bit where Annihilus lowers Gladiators confidence. Hulk has zero consistency on tagging anyone on Gladiator's level.

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#35 thedailybagel  Moderator

@hellionvulcan: why not acknowledge that Glads gets over his confidence being hindered, and then smacks Annihilus which as shown when he was against hulk turns off the fear broadcast instantly?

Hulk has never failed to tag any powerhouses, glads level or otherwise.

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#36  Edited By 20damon

@hellionvulcan said:
@20damon said:

Yeah, he tried it with Hulk and Hulk was fast enough to react to him, which, you know, IS CONSISTENT FOR HULK.

Consistency for Hulk doesn't make it PiS. I'm always of the opinion that if you really need to discredit the other side's feats you're fighting a losing battle. Hulk has very high hypersonic feats. Which is very similar combat speed to what Gladiator has shown.

Here's a recent example of them fighting the exact same foe. An amped Annihilus who fought Thanos equally

Why not post this ? the bit where Annihilus lowers Gladiators confidence. Hulk has zero consistency on tagging anyone on Gladiator's level.

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Never tagged someone on Glad's level? He's tagged GLADIATOR. And fought off a BFR from him. And -beat- him while weakened. Meanwhile Gladiator has ZERO feats of being in the combat speed range to be anywhere close to being on the level needed to make Hulk helpless through speed. Get this stupid shit out of here.

Bagel already answered the rest in the post above. In addition to that, Annihilus used the same device on Hulk and still didn't put him down while he absolutely murderstomped Gladiator and even directly compares them.

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Why is Gladiator here?

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Team easily.

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Team 1 wins. WBH makes this easy to decide.

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WBH solos

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Bill could potentially solo,wbh definitely solos

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#46  Edited By HeirToTheKingdom

Hulk & Beta Ray Bill.

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Y'all should notice how Annihilus comments on Hulks speed, yet he didn't do the same to Gladiator. And Hulk tanked and landed more hits than Gladiator did.

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#49 emperorthanos-  Moderator

This isn't fair at all anymore. WBH solos

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Team 1. WBH more than likely solos