HT Tourney quarter finals: TTBA vs Darkraiden (voting)

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Teams

DarkRaiden:

Tangent Superman

Vixen

ultimate taskmaster

spectrem

Black Panther

Steel

TTBA:

Amazo

Despero

Cyborg Superman

Brainiac 8

Etrigan

Professor Zoom

Battlefield: Attlian

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Rules:

-Both teams are given 3 weeks of prep, and one week of assembly

-Teams will start half a mile apart.

-No BFRing people outside the city. No one leaves the city.

-Characters are in character, but will work together in spite of differences and unfamiliarities.

-Items obtained through prep cannot be OP.

-No going back in time and killing your opponents as babies.

-Characters know who their opponents are, but only know what they know about them from canon encounters they've had.

Fight!

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@darkraiden would you like to go first or shall I? If I go first I need to know if you're using a character called spectrem or if that's just supposed to be Specter.

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@darkraiden would you like to go first or shall I? If I go first I need to know if you're using a character called spectrem or if that's just supposed to be Specter.

You can go. And yeah it's Photon/Monica Rambeau.

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The Heralds of The Apocalypse

I've worked to devise one of the most effective teams possible for this tournament; something I feel I have accomplished. I do hope that with my opening post I can introduce you to everyone & give you a solid grasp on what you're going against, and that the voters will be able to easily understand. It should be noted beforehand that all of the DC characters I am using are their Pre-52 Versions; for Amazo I am using the Red Tornado/Amazo version.

Without further ado - enter - Heralds of the Apocalypse.

Amazo

The first Amazo was built by the malicious Doctor Ivo who had become obsessed with immortality. He was built with the power set of the original Justice League: Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, and The Flash; he also had a pre-installed Power Ring & Lasso of Truth.

The various powers & programming of the Amazo android have varied over his appearances, sometimes he's programmed with specific powers and sometimes he can only copy specific powers from certain groups/teams such as the Justice League. There was once a version of Amazo that used the body of Red Tornado and the Tantu Totem that belongs to Vixen in order to become a powerhouse capable of absorbing and dominating the entirety of the Justice League/Justice League of America.

Facing any version of Amazo is always dangerous as his foes never know exactly what he'll be bringing to the table; and his Absorption Cell Technology allows him to accumulate various abilities at an incredible speed.

Powers & Abilities [ Note: I am using the Red Tornado/Amazo combination ]

  • Super Strength - Due to being an android he has above average strength; this strength can be increased as he obtains meta human abilities.
  • Invulnerability - Due to being an android he has an above average durability; along with being resistant to human diseases as he is an inorganic life form.
  • Self Repair/Regeneration - Amazo has specialized nanobots that are able to fully repair or reconstruct the Android. He has been shown to regrow his head after it was blown apart by a point blank Canary Cry.
  • Superhuman Database - Amazo has been rebuilt with a database that allows him to effectively and logically deal with his foes. This database is vastly similar to the OMAC's.
  • Absorption Cell Technology - The special absorption cell technology that has been built into Amazo allow him to quickly observe & replicate any and all abilities from the foes that he comes in contact with.
  • Current/Programmed/Absorbed Abilities - The following is a list of this version of Amazo's various abilities & powerset's that he has acquired.
    • Firestorm - Transmutation & Molecular Manipulation
    • Black Canary - Sonic Scream
    • The Flash - Superhuman Speed
    • Black Lightning - Electrokinesis
    • Green Lantern - Light Constructs
    • Red Arrow - Marksmanship
    • Superman - Kryptonian Abilities [ Heat Vision // Super Strength // Flight ]
    • Wonder Woman - Lasso of Truth & Super Strength
    • Zatanna - Magic & Spellcasting

Brainiac 8

Brainiac 8 was born in the distant future from the 21st century; under the guise of "Indigo" she traveled back to the 21st century in a very damaged state. In search of a means to repair herself she teleported to the Metal Men; however, she was unable to interface with them and left them in horrible condition. Still seeking a way to obtain repairs she teleported herself to Cyborg of the Teen Titans and immediately began to interface with him. Cyborg had been in a meeting with the rest of the Titans along with the Young Justice team and the youthful heroes began a counter-attack; a lengthy battle ensued but Indigo was able to escape to S.T.A.R labs where she activated a Superman Android before shutting down.

Eventually she was reactivated by Arsenal who wanted her as a member of the newly made Outsiders. Arsenal had overseen her repair while she was at S.T.A.R labs where Indigo was also given a mind wipe. Indigo was an essential member to the team as both a powerhouse combatant and a logistics expert; battling foes such as Gorilla Grodd, The Joker, and Brother Blood. Eventually she developed personality traits & fell in love with a Metamorpho clone named 'Shift'.

Unfortunately for herself and the rest of the Outsiders the Brainiac 8 persona that had been dormant inside of Indigo began to resurface and action was instantly taken against the young android. Indigo was gone and as Brainiac 8 she joined up with Lex Luthor, Superboy (who had also reverted back to his darker self), and another version of Brainiac. She fought against her former friends and was "killed" after her Indigo persona took control and begged for her death.

She has since returned as Brainiac 8 due to repairs given to her by Superboy Prime. As Brainiac 8 she has no disregard for human life and hates any/all organic life forms. She is also a member of the Colu Empire; one of the most technologically advanced species in the DCU.

Powers & Abilities [ Note: I am using the Brainiac 8 Persona; not the Indigo Persona ]

  • Android Body - As a member of the Colu Empire & an android from the future she has a technologically advanced body that makes 21st century technology obsolete. While looking for repairs as Indigo the only beings that could interface with her were Cyborg & the Metal Men.
  • Energy Projection - Brainiac 8 can fire powerful energy blasts to combat her foes. It appears that she can also absorb or manipulate energy as she was able to completely counter & deactivate lantern constructs from the Green Lantern known as Jade.
  • Flight - Brainiac 8 is capable of flight which allows for easier maneuverability in battle.
  • Force Field Projection - Brainiac 8 is capable of producing powerful force fields. While surrounding herself in a field she is still capable of firing energy blasts through her field but attacks can't come in from the outside. Using her force fields she was able to contain Gorilla Grodd's army of around 800 Gorillas.
  • Accelerated Healing/Repair - Brainiac 8 is capable of self repair and can rebuild entire limbs while in battle.
  • Superhuman Strength - As an android she is granted strength that is considered to be Superhuman. She was able to best the Metamorpho clone known as 'Shift' in physical brawling.
  • Superhuman Durability - Brainiac 8 may be an intelligent combatant but is also capable of being a physical powerhouse. Her android body provides her with an increased durability.
  • Sound Manipulation - Brainiac 8 is able to manipulate and create sound waves to produce a variety of effects.
  • Tactical Analysis - Due to the database that acts as Brainiac 8's mind she is able to make very logical and tactical decisions while in battle. This analysis ability also makes her a skilled leader and strategist.
  • Computer Hacking/Interfacing - Due to her advanced technological build; Brainiac 8 is a skilled computer infiltrator and is able to easily reroute or manipulate data and information stored on machines.

Cyborg Superman

Hank Henshaw is Cyborg Superman; after suffering from sickness caused by a radiation storm his consciousness has gained the ability to travel from machine to machine and manipulate technology to create new bodies for himself. When Henshaw had landed along with 3 of his peers ( one of which was his wife ) they had been forever changed; while searching for help the group ran into Superman who fought Henshaw and his crew which helped spawn Henshaw's strong disdain towards Superman.

Henshaw was banished from Earth by Superman after his wife, Terri, jumped out of a window when seeing Henshaw in his new machine body. While traveling through the galaxy he came across Mongul; the cruel conqueror who roamed the cosmos above Warworld. Together the two worked to destroy Coast City, killing it's 7 million inhabitants in the process. Cyborg Superman also worked incredibly hard to tarnish Superman's reputation after his death as he impersonated the Man of Steel while fighting the other "Supermen" who arose during the fallout of Superman's battle with Doomsday.

Eventually he became the Grandmaster of the Manhunters; the 1st intergalactic police force created by the guardians, and upgraded their technology to make them more powerful. Henshaw had begun capturing living members of the Green Lantern Corps to test if Human life could be controlled, but was stopped; however, not before he created an artifact known as the Highmaster; a Manhunter that was able to amplify the power of a Power Ring 100x over [ as it did so when both Hal & Arisia had to break out of it ].

Henshaw would then become a great enemy to the Lantern Corps; discovering the Alpha Lanterns and learning how to make his own versions of them, joining the Sinestro Corps and becoming one of the most powerful members of the group, battling a Hal Jordan controlled Paralax, and batting a new and improved version of Doomsday.

Powers & Abilities

  • Technomorphing - Henshaw is a very unique type of technopath; he calls it technomorphing. He doesn't only gain control over technology and machines, he can incorporate it into his own being & manipulate it to whatever he desires. His technomorphing is similar to the Green Lantern's willpower constructs, as he can created whatever his mind can imagine.
  • Genius Intellect - As a human Henshaw had an incredible mind. With his new electronic consciousness he has gained even more knowledge and is an expert in many fields. He has also traveled throughout the universes and galaxies within the DCU allowing him to obtain even more knowledge.
  • Kryptonian Powers - During his travels he connected himself to Superman's Birthing Matrix which granted him knowledge of the organic components that make up a Kryptonian. He has been able to make himself cybernetic bodies that take advantage of these abilities thus giving him the physical stats of Superman + without any of the weaknesses.
  • Willhunters - Willhunters are specialized nanites that invade the target's mind and make them loyal to the Manhunters.
  • Electronic Consciousness - While Henshaw traditionally keeps his mind in the Cybernetic Body he has created he can also send it out to other machines while he pilots his Cybernetic Body. Thus he can be several places at once controlling vast amounts of technology simultaneously.
  • Green Lantern Power Battery - An Oan power battery was incorperated into Cyborg Superman's cybernetic body allowing him to make Green Lantern Constructs & absorb Lantern Constructs. He also has several Green Lantern rings available for usage.
  • Qwardian Power Rings - As a member of the Sinestro Corps, Henshaw has acquired a vast amount of Yellow Power Rings for his own usage. Though he does not often use them it has been shown that he is very proficient with their usage.

Despero

Despero is one of the oldest foes of the Justice League and is the tyrant ruler of Kalanor. Due to his third eye he has strong hypnotic powers, and after recreating himself from within the Flame of Py'tar his physical stats and mental stats have been increased to incredible levels. In his first bout with the Justice League; Despero was able to enslave the heroes with his mental abilities. Eventually Despero suffered defeat at the hands of the League and the Flames of Py'tar were destroyed which caused Despero to consume himself.

Despero; however, survived and roamed space as a formless bit of conscious matter. His sheer will and hatred for the Justice League actually created a new body for himself and attacked the League once more.

Since then Despero has proven himself to be one of the most powerful foes the League has faced, wielding both telepathic mastery and incredible physicals.

Powers & Abilities

  • Super Strength - Despero has the physical brawling abilties that allow him to combat Superman, Captain Marvel, and Powergirl with incredible ease. He even took on an entire group of physical powerhouses and arrived at victory rather easily.
  • Invulnerability - Despero has the durability to take numerous blunt force impacts from the fists of the Man of Steel.
  • Super Speed - Despero was able to fly from the Earth to the Moon in seconds. He can also blitz his foes with a flurry of blows and was able to blast Flash with a TK blast & react to the Scarlet Speedsters super quick attacks.
  • Telepathy - Despero has an incredible grasp on telepathy and mind control. He was able to easily overpower Martian Manhunter & Aquaman in a telepathic battle and has only faltered when Starro the Conqueror used the combined power of trillions of minds to overpower Despero.
  • Illusion Casting - Despero can create strong and vivid illusions; he did so to turn Martian Manhunter into a drooling mess after showing him images of Despero killing his loved ones on Mars.
  • Mind Control - Despero is fully capable of putting his foes under intense mind control. Supergirl explained that Despero's mind control was thousands of times more powerful & painful than Grodd's.
  • Possession - Despero can leap from body to body and possess his targets.
  • Psychic Fire - Despero can project psychic bolts of fire from his third eye that were capable of harming foes such as Supergirl.
  • Flight - Despero can fly; woohoo.
  • Telekinesis - Despero is fully capable of moving large objects or living beings with his mind.
  • Regeneration - Despero has a very capable healing factor that has allowed him to recover from decapitation and from just being a consciousness floating around in the vastness of space. Wounds such as slashes or cuts heal incredibly quick.

Etrigan

Etrigan is one of Hell's most notorious demons; bonded to the human known as Jason Blood. Originally Jason Blood was a druid who lived during the medieval times while King Arthur was alive. Doing such rendered Blood immortal; however, he often views the bonding as a sort of curse.

Throughout his history Etrigan has been portrayed mainly as an anti-hero, often times working with members of the Justice League such as Batman & Superman; though he has also fought Earth's heroes on several occasions. He has been credited by Doctor Fate as a master of the Primal Mystical Forces & has shown numerous times to be proficient in the mystic arts. Combined with his superhuman strength (on par with beings such as Lobo, Superman, and Wonder Woman) he has proven his ferocity in combat.

Powers & Abilities

  • Superhuman Strength - As mentioned earlier, Etrigan is able to trade blows with some of the major powerhouses in the DCU.
  • Hellfire Projection - Etrigan is able to produce a mystical hellfire as an omnidirectional attack; however, he commonly channels the fire through either his mouth or his hands. Etrigan's hellfire is destructive to any foe it envelops; however, it is incredibly damaging to those considered "evil".
  • Healing Factor/Regeneration - Etrigan is a Sadomasochist; meaning he enjoys receiving pain. His healing factor allows him to quickly recover from a wide variety of injuries including slashes, gaping holes (in various parts of his body), and "amputations".
  • Limb Transmutation - Etrigan has the odd ability to reconnect dismembered limbs to his own body, even if the limbs did not originally come from his person.
  • Magic - Both Etrigan & Jason Blood are skilled in the mystical arts & can perform a variety of spells and incantations.
  • Flight - Etrigan is capable of flight; more woohoo.
  • Teleportation - Though this may just be one of his spells, I figured it was important to note that Etrigan is also fully capable of teleportation.

Professor Zoom

Eobard Thawne; Professor Zoom, is from the 25th Century. Obsessed with the hero from the 21st century known as The Flash, Thawne does anything and everything in his power to replicate the abilities of his idol. Thawne is an expert on the Speedforce and while not a master combatant his intellect and creativity allow him to overpower his equals or those who are more powerful than himself.

During Rebirth the abilities of Professor Zoom were enhanced and he gained an even more destructive array of skills and abilities; thus making him an even deadlier foe. Thawne has no disregard for human life as the only thing he is unable to do is kill Barry Allen.

Powers & Abilities

  • Negative Speed Force Conduit - Similar to the Speed Force connected to the members of the Flash Family; Thawne has created his own"Negative Speed Force". This grants Thawne his own super speed that rivals that of Barry Allen; thus allowing him to move at the Speed of Light with ease. Thawne can also use his Negative Speed Force to corrupt the Speed Force used by the Flash Family, this results in them slowing down and eventually being shut off from the connection.
  • Phasing - Professor Zoom has total molecular control over his body and can become intangible via vibrating his molecules. He can also phase through organic & inorganic objects. He can use this ability to become invisible, immune to airborne toxins, or offensively to phase through people thus killing them.
  • After Images - Professor Zoom can move so quickly that he creates after images of himself.
  • Cyclones/Vortexes - Professor Zoom is capable of creating vortexes via his speed. He can use these to redistribute airborne toxins or viruses. He can also use it to funnel oxygen from the center; thus suffocating anyone inside.
  • Time Travel - Professor Zoom can effortlessly travel through time & space.
  • Age Sapping - Professor Zoom can quickly age someone & essentially steal their life from them.
  • Shapeshifting - To a very small extent. Professor Zoom can alter his own appearance in terms of how old he appears.
  • Existence Erasing - Professor Zoom is able to alter timelines in order to erase people from existence. This is NOT the same as going back in time to kill someone as a small child; he literally just removes people from the timestream.
  • Sonic Booms - Similar to Zoom; Professor Zoom can create sonic booms by snapping his fingers.

Now that you have read about each member of my team & what their capable of I'll display what I'm going to do with my prep time. If you have any questions about the abilities of my team or would like me to post some scans, I can. I didn't want to turn my opener into a huge respect thread filled with scans that are just there for the sake of being there. I will be posting scans throughout our debate in order to prove various points or setup examples.

Prep Time

The prep time is where my team essentially gets to amplify themselves tenfold; thankfully I've got some incredibly useful team members for this & some prep masters.

The version of Amazo that I'm using worked with the Red Tornado body while in combination with the Tantu Totem. Amazo will gather the Totem as it allows him to focus his absorbed abilities with much more finesse.

Amazo will also be able to copy & replicate the abilities of everyone on my team since he's spending so much time with them during the prep stages.

Brainiac 8 will link herself to various data bases in order to obtain as much information as she can about her team members. This will allow her to analyze their abilities & personalities thus making her a much better team mate & leader.

Cyborg Superman is the true powerhouse of prep for my team due to his various connections throughout the DCU and what he's been shown to do on the fly in the past. Using his technomorphing he will build several more "Cyborg Superman" bodies that he can command during the battle, thus adding more to my teams own numbers. He will also build one of those bodies so Braniac 8 can use one thus making her much more powerful as she was the "weak link" in terms of offense on my team.

He will also create or acquire both Green Lantern & Yellow Lantern power rings. He has been shown to be proficient with both as he has a power battery built into himself for a GL ring along with using 10 YL power rings during the Sinestro Corps War. Since Power Rings are technological NOT magical he should be able to create some with ease; especially since he has around 1 month of prep.

Cyborg Superman will then build another Highmaster that can be used to amply the strength of the rings 100x.

Lastly he has the ability to build/upgrade both Manhunters & Alpha Lanterns. He will spend the rest of his time building as many as he can for the upcoming battle. I don't exactly know how many he'd be able to build but I think that 200/300 is a good number granted the amount of time he has to do so & the fact that he was easily able to take over an entire planet with his technomorphing abilities.

Despero is going to link everyone together telepathically during the assembly stage. This will allow the other members of my team help Cyborg Superman in creating the Manhunters & Alpha Lanterns. It will also help my team learn about the GL & YL Power Rings.

Etrigan is going to amplify his magical abilties via Stonehenge. He has done so before & it allowed him to combat the Sentinels of Magic.

Professor Zoom isn't actually going to be doing anything for himself; but he will use his scientific mind, speed, and the telepathic link with Despero to help Cyborg Superman build the Manhunters & Alphalanters, along with acquiring materials for the others.

Prep RECAP

  • Amazo gets Tantu Totem to aid him in focusing his obtained abilities.
  • Amazo copies the abilities from my team.
  • Brainiac learns about her team & your team [ only the ones from the DCU ]
  • Brainiac 8 connects with the Cyborg Superman body created for her by Cyborg Superman
  • Cyborg Superman creates Highmaster to amplify power ring abilities 100x
  • Cyborg Superman creates 11 bodies; 10 for him to control in the battle, 1 for Brainiac 8
  • Cyborg Superman collects/builds 10 Yellow Power Rings for himself.
  • Cyborg Superman collects/builds 6 Green Lantern Power Rings; 1 for himself, the others for my team if they so desire.
  • Cyborg Superman builds 300 Manhunters & gives them Kryptonian upgrades for the battle ahead.
  • Cyborg Superman builds 10 Alpha Lanterns for the battle ahead.
  • Despero links everyone on my team via TP to help them learn about each other & gain the knowledge required to help Cyborg Superman with the obtaining of his items/building.
  • Etrigan goes to Stonehenge & amplifies his abilities.
  • Professor Zoom helps Cyborg Superman in the building of his robots with the knowledge he is given by Despero & CS combined with his own scientific knowledge.

I look forward to this battle. It should be good. If you have any questions about my prep/believe that something can be done feel free to bring it up with me.

Best of luck, @darkraiden!

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@darkseid1006: Will do! Hopefully Darkraiden & myself can provide a wonderful battle for you to read!

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Character overviews:

Tangent Superman

Powers

Telepathy

All of these are at a high level. He was able to shut off powers, give himself powers, and TK manipulate Superman and the Green Lantern ring.

Vixen

Powers

  • Animal Mimicry: Mari has the power to mimic the abilities of any animal she knows of, the ability apparently gives her intuitive understanding of the animals and what abilities they have that may be useful in the situation. She can switch between the abilities with ease in a split second:

Abilities

  • Indomitable Will: Mari has fought Amazo, Despero and countless other Justice League villains over her heroic career. Despite her experience when she was trapped underwater inside of a collapsed building she still summoned the inner strength necessary to free herself and Red Arrow.[1]

Ultimate Taskmaster

Power Mimicry: Taskmaster can absorb any powers that make contact with him (if he is hit with super-strength, he can use it, hit by energy beams, can blast energy, etc). He also has an unknown level of durability to handle these powers upon first being hit with them.

Spectrem

Monica has the ability to change into any form of light/energy along the electromagnetic spectrum. She can turn into photons, electricity, microwaves, radio waves, gamma rays, X-rays, ultraviolet radiation, infrared radiation, etc. She can travel at various speeds, depending on the type of energy she converts into, including the speed of light.

  • Energy Projection: Monica has the ability to discharge whatever energy she becomes, by focusing that energy into a tight beam. The beams are either discharged from her hands or eyes.
  • Energy Absorption: She can often mimic or absorb various energies when given enough time for analysis. Monica was capable of mimicking an energy shield spell created by Dr Strange, by matching it's energy signature. She can also absorb energy not common to the electromagnetic spectrum, such as when she replicated and drained the verdant will-powered energies of an extra-dimensional emerald gladiator.
  • Size Manipulation: Monica's abilities also allow her shrink down to microscopic levels, which she utilizes to interact and disrupt various electronic interfaces.
  • Intangibility & Invisibility: Monica is often intangible in many of her energy forms, which allows her to phase through solid matter and turn invisible.

Black Panther

It still has KotD stuff in it but...hey

Black Panther Knowledge: He now has the power to draw all the knowledge, strength, and every experience from every previous Black Panther.

Superhuman Acute Senses: T'Challa can see in total darkness as if it was a clear sunny day, something at over a few hundred feet appears as though it is right in front of his face. T'Challa's sense of hearing is enhanced in a similar manner, enabling him to hear sounds that an ordinary human can't and to be able to hear sounds that an ordinary human can, but at much greater distances. T'Challa can memorize tens of thousands of scents and track them to the exact location, can smell fear, and detect if someone is lying by change in body odor. T'Challa's sense of taste is sensitive to the point that he is able to taste the exact ingredients of any particular food he is eating.

Superhuman Strength: The special herb has enhanced T'Challa's physical strength to the pinnacle of human perfection. While not superhuman, he is considerably much stronger than the average human and is almost as strong as a human can be without being considered superhuman. At his peak, marvel hand-books class him to lift just under 800 lbs.

He has even destroyed a water mill by just flexing his muscles. Since then, T'Challa has received a blessing from the Panther Goddess, which elevated his enhanced strength to superhuman levels. The limits of his strength at this point are unknown.

Superhuman Speed: Originally T'Challa was able to run and move at speeds superior to those of any Olympic athlete, and was capable of reaching speeds of 35 mph.

As with all his powers/abilities, his speed has been enhanced by the Panther Goddess, but to what extent is unknown.

Superhuman Stamina: T'Challa's musculature generates less fatigue toxins than the bodies of most humans. He can exert himself at peak capacity for approximately 1 hour before fatigue begins to impair him.

After having his powers/abilities enhanced by the Panther Goddess, his stamina is at superhuman levels. He can now exert himself for longer then an hour, however, its unknown how long he can exert himself before fatigue begins to effect him.

Superhuman Durability: T'Challa's ability to resist and recover from physical injury or disease is also at the pinnacle of human capability. While he is susceptible to illness and injury as any normal human is, his ability to resist and recover from them is well above that of most other humans.

As with all his powers/abilities, his durability has been enhanced by the Panther Goddess, but to what extent is unknown.

Superhuman Agility: T'Challa's agility, balance, and bodily coordination are also heightened to the pinnacle of human development. He is superior to any Olympic level gymnast that has ever competed.

As with all his powers/abilities, his agility has been enhanced by the Panther Goddess, but to what extent is unknown.

Superhuman Reflexes: T'Challa's reaction time is superior to that of any Olympic athlete that has ever competed.

As with all his powers/abilities, his reflexes has been enhanced by the Panther Goddess, but to what extent is unknown.

Abilities

Genius-level Intellect: T'Challa is also a polymath genius and has an eidetic (aka photographic) memory[citation needed]. His genius is as such that he is one of the eight smartest people on Earth.[24] He possesses accomplishments such as a PhD in physics from Oxford University. He also combined alchemy with science to create a new scientific field called Shadow Physics, a dangerous discipline which allowed him to track vibranium on a quantum level, craft weapons which would be particularly effective against vibranium, and create an unstable teleportation device which at the time ripped apart anyone using it with great healing ability.

Master Martial Artist: He has been groomed to be a warrior from birth. An expert in practically all forms of armed and unarmed combat, and a master of all martial arts including African and unknown forms. He is a master of stealth, disguise etc. He is considered to be one of the best martial artists to have ever walked the Earth. This is evident by him being able to stalemate and even gain the upper hand at times against opponents such as Captain America, Daredevil etc. in hand to hand fights to an extent that in his full potential, he was able to defeat Captain America in a few moves, and overpower Wolverine twice without much difficulty, even when Wolverine was using his claws. Captain America himself said that when he one won against T’Challa, T’Challa was not his usual self, seeming weaker than he actually was.

Weapons Master: The Panther has mastered all known weapons.

Master Acrobat: T'Challa is a rigorously trained gymnast and acrobat.

Expert Marksman: He is a master marksman adept with hunting knives, firearms, and other projectile weaponry.

Master Tactician: T'Challa is a genius tactician, strategist, and leader who is practically peerless. He was taught tactics and strategies in his youth by his father who encouraged him to always think two steps ahead of his enemies and three steps ahead of his friends. His prowess is such that he is able to out think and out maneuver individuals such as Tony Stark, and other geniuses.[25]

Expert Tracker & Hunter: Even without his superhuman senses, he is a master tracker and hunter. He can pick up a prey's scent and memorize tens of thousands of individual ones.

Multilingual: T'Challa can fluently speak his native language, English, and other various languages.

Master Inventor: He can invent various devices with special properties when needed. While not all of his inventions are as good as others made by Tony Stark and so on, he possesses engineering abilities and intellect that makes him a peer and has proven to be able to invent and create weaponry that rivals their engineering capabilities. T'Challa can also duplicate practically any other technologies after learning how they work or by glancing at the designs.

Steel

Powers and Abilities

Abilities

Paraphernalia

Equipment

  • Steel Power Armor: Steel's powers vary in accordance with what hardware is currently available to him. He has modified the original weapons systems and suit several times since its debut and continues to refine its abilities. With his engineering, physics and ballistics knowledge, it is conceivable that the suit may potentially possess even greater power in the future.
  • Energy Resistance: Steel has immune systems in his armor to help him fight off computer viruses. This system also protects him against mind control agents like Queen Bee's hypnotic pollen.
  • Radioscopic Scans: His armor is able to analyze photonic energy given off from an object through readouts the armor gives.
  • Superhuman Durability: The suit's ability to impart a resistance to physical injury was quite considerable before the addition of the inertial dampening field. Small arms fire was generally not a threat but larger firearms could prove dangerous. All of the suits have performed admirably considering Steel's opponents, who include the Cyborg Superman and Metallo.
  • Superhuman Strength

Transportation

  • Jet Boots: With what are probably his greatest creations, the flight protocols for his armor are every engineer's dream.[51] The distance that can be traveled before refueling is unknown, but Steel has made a documented trip of at least 1,500 miles before touching down again. It has been determined, by observation, that Steel can reach speeds just short of the speed of sound, which is 700+ miles per hour.

Weapons

  • Kinetic Hammer
  • Rivet Cannon: This short range weapon has fired red-hot rivets similar to those used in construction.

Prep

Note: I'm using pre-KotD Black Panther and pre-doomwar BP where he still has a plethora of Vibranium and Anti-Metal and other tech

1. Steel uses his access to the JL database as well as his own personal knowledge, while Tangent Supes connects with computers across the world and universe to look for any more info, and then both share their full knowledge of your teams' abilities and powers.

2. Steel, Tangent Supes, and BP convene. They decide that everyone gets a Steel Armor, equipped with :

  • usual kinetic dampening field and durability and strength (Supes level nearly)
  • energy daggers,
  • various disorientating agents (from Steel and his suits),
  • a kinetic hammer (from Steel),
  • 2 anti-ion equalizers for the hands (also from Steel) that are attached to Power Gloves (from BP),
  • EMP Blast and other EMP weaponry
  • EMP proofing on the suits
  • Hacking proofing on the suits
  • Bubble/containment guns
  • Vibranium suit underneath the armor,
  • anti-metal claws on the gloves/hands.
  • sonic cannons (attached)
  • an Anti-Particle Cannon
  • psionic dampeners (on the outside in, not the inside out, as in they affect you and not our abilities)
  • shrinking and growing abilities.
  • Energy absorption abilities (from BP's Doom copy armor that drained Surfer's energy). Will be modified to absorb psionic energy, solar energy, magic energy, green lantern ring energy, yellow lantern ring energy, speedforce and negative speedforce energy, and various other types of energy (yes based on who our opponents are)

2. Tangent Superman uses his time to grant everyone on my team Teleportation, TK, and powerful TP near his level

3. Ultimate Taskmaster uses the week to copy the full abilities of all my team members

4. Vixen and Taskmaster use her ability to copy bacteria (and/or starfish) to make clones upon clones, an army of them to flood the sky and the battlefield. In other words, a million clones each (They do this after they receive all gear)

5. Black Panther retrieves/recreates his device that reverses polarity as well as his magnetic device.

6. Black Panther also retrieves the Ebony Blade, and even lends it to Ultimate Taskmaster to clone with his new abilities.

7. Steel retrieves the Entropy Aegis for himself to use and works with Tangent Supes to and Black Panther to delay and block...certain effects

So in the end, my team is fully equipped with Supes level suits+vibranium underneath and various weapons as well as 2 million clones, 1 million with the powers of everyone on my team, The Ebony Blade(s) and the Aegis Entropy armor

If you need scans for certain things let me know....

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Lovely, glad we can get this show on the road as I'm excited to see what your team can do. I'm fairly confident that my team has what it takes to claim the victory, even though at first look you've got the numbers. The first thing I'm going to do is look at our teams w/prep & compare them; this will give the voters an idea of what each team looks like.

Team TTBA

  • Cyborg Superman // 10 Qwuardian Power Rings // 1 Oan Power Battery // Willhunter Nanites
  • Amazo // Tantu Totem // Red Tornado Body // Pre-Installed Abilities
  • Despero
  • Brainiac 8 // Cyborg Superman Body
  • Professor Zoom
  • Etrigan // Stonehenge Magic Amp
  • 300 Willhunters // Willhunter Nanites // Kyrptonian Tech Upgrades
  • 10 Alpha Lanterns // Alpha Lantern Ring // Alpha Lantern Power Battery
  • 1 Highmaster
  • 10 Cyborg Superman Bodies

Team DR

  • Tangent Superman // Steel Armor // Vibranium Undermesh
  • Steel // Entropy Aegis Armor // Vibranium Undermesh
  • Vixen // Steel Armor // Vibranium Undermesh
  • Black Panther // Steel Armor // Magnetic Device // Polarity Reverser // Vibranium Undermesh
  • Ultimate Taskmaster // Steel Armor // Vibranium Undermesh // Ebony Blade
  • Photon // Steel Armor // Vibranium Undermesh
  • 1,000,000 Clones [ Taskmaster? ] // Steel Armor // Vibranium Undermesh
  • 1,000,000 Clones [ Taskmaster? ] // Entropy Aegis Armor // Vibranium Undermesh // Ebony Blade

So right off the bat you've got a solid 2 million more team members than I do. No big.

Question/Counter about DarkRaiden's Prep

I had done some research on your team prior to posting my own prep. I was wondering if you'd use the same prep strategy as you did last round, which you indeed ended up doing. There are some things I'd like from you; as I question your team's ability to actually do some of the things that are being done here.

I'm looking at the upgrades you're giving to the Steel Armor. You're claiming that you can:

  • Create a mechanism to absorb Negative Speedforce Energy

I'm doubting this; nobody on your team truly knows anything about the Negative Speedforce and it isn't documented anywhere. Professor Zoom has never been studied and practically nothing is known about the energy. You're claiming that your team is going to be able to make an armor attachment that can completely absorb a dimensional energy & be able to contain it. I'm honestly doubting that your team could make a machine to capture an entire dimensions worth of energy.

Also; you claim that your team will be able to stall the effects of the Entropy Aegis Armor. Has this actually ever been done & can you show me anyone on your team actually doing this.

I have examples of my team doing everything I've listed in their prep. Every object that Cyborg Superman is building is something he has been shown to build in the past. As Grandmaster of the Manhunters he was able to build more of them & upgrade them with Kryptonian Technology. He also learned how to convert Green Lanterns into Alpha Lanterns; the process takes roughly 6 hours. Lastly he can replicate Lantern Power Rings as they are pieces of technology that he has worked with; granted it wouldn't be difficult for him to obtain 10 Qwardian Power Rings.

So that's it. I don't question the cloning, I don't question the object duplication. I question your teams ability to build some of the things that you say they can build.

Battle Plan

This is where it gets fun. I'm incredibly happy that you've done what you've chosen to do with your prep. People might look at this battle and think I'm vastly out matched after seeing 2 million clones and a full HT team; but I think I've got this in the bag.

Cyborg Superman vs Everyone // Wait... WHAT?!?!!?

Does this seem suicidal, I'm sure it does. Oh.. wait... you didn't think I was going to have Cyborg Superman brawl with every single member of your team at once did you? Now THAT would be suicidal, but no, I'm taking advantage of your prep & using it against you.

You see, earlier I had mentioned that Cyborg Superman is an incredibly power Technomorph; vastly different than a technopath. See, Cyborg Superman isn't actually a truly "living" being, he's an electronic consciousness that can move from machine to machine. When he works with machines he can make them do practically anything and the amount of machinery & technology that he can work with is truly amazing.

It's also important to note that every single person on your team is wearing a very powerful and advanced piece of technology; Steel's Armor and/or the Entropy Aegis. You doomed yourself with this one, let me explain.

Cyborg Superman has the ability to think himself into anything & adapt rather quickly. In his earlier incarnations he actually fought a group made up of Superman, Steel, Supergirl, Superboy, and Eradicator. During this battle he showed his ability to transform/manipulate/control other pieces of technology while still combating Superman & others in his "Cyborg Superman" body. You'll recognize that Steel is having an especially bad time in this fight, it's a shame that everyone on your team was given his armor, for it is easy to manipulate.

In scan (4) we see that Cyborg Superman is able to manipulate Steel's armor and makes him strangle himself. In scan (9) he blows up some sort of Blaster that Superman was using.

I'm not going to showcase the entire fight because this isn't a respect thread, but to sum it up Cyborg Supe's wrecks some havoc, kills Eradicator, and then loses to Superman because it was Superman's return and if Superman was to lose that then the fanbase would go nuts.

So at this point we can see that Cyborg Superman can indeed manipulate other forms of technology while still piloting his own Cyborg body & combat powerful foes. It should be noted that this was during his early appearances too; he becomes even more powerful in the future, which I should display.

Now, Cyborg Superman may be able to manipulate every form of Armor your team is using, but what is he going to do with it? Well if we see what he did to the forces of Apokolips we can get a rather nice idea.

An entire army; killed by their own equipment. Sonic Waves so powerful that they turned the brains of the soldiers to mush & jelly. Of course, you've done my team the honors of outfitting these armor sets with some powerful weaponry that can also be used against you. Start blasting your own team with the Anti-Particle cannons, dampen the effectiveness of Tangent Superman with those Psionic dampeners, anything.

Once all your clones are killed then Cyborg Superman will be able to build himself an even stronger body, adding all of the pieces of your two million armor sets to his own self. He can quickly adapt too, here, lets check out what he did to this planet [ I believe it was Warworld but I may be wrong ] as it displays a very powerful level of Technomorphing.

He was able to quickly connect himself and adapt. You might be wondering if it's possible for him to build a body that quickly, I can answer that question too. Also; he can use tech from Apokolips.

Here he is against Superman & Darksied. During the fight he got blasted with Omega Beams [ Twice ] and was able to continuously add more pieces to his body. He should have no problem adding the TWO MILLION suits you've provided him with to himself.

Two million is a pretty large number, is it even possible for Cyborg Superman to combat/control that much technology at once? It is, look.

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That's right, 1 BILLION life forms held back by the mind of one man; Cyborg Superman, and compared to that your Two Million is nothing.

At this point I believe it's fair to say I've killed all of your clones & taken control of all of your tech. Thanks for having two wonderful prep masters on your team.

Kill the Survivors.. if they exist.

I don't actually know of anyone on your team that will survive that attack, you've just had all of your own powerful technology used against you. It should be noted that Cyborg Superman can even use the battlefield against you since the city is one big piece of technology for him to incorporate into his being.

However, it'd be a boring battle if I only displayed the effectiveness of my Cyborg Superman, so I'll discuss what the rest of my team is doing.

Both Professor Zoom & Amazo have incredible speed at this point [ Eobard/Professor Zoom has his Negative Speed Force & Amazo has copied Wally West & Professor Zoom so it's fair to say he should be moving at the same speeds ] and they'll be looking for any survivors on your team.

Above we see Amazo using Flashes speed; this is Wally West.

Professor Zoom does have the ability to throw an Infinite Mass Punch like the other members of the Flash Family as he can easily move through Time & Space, getting close to light speed is no problem for him. It also helps that nobody on your team is a member of the Flash family, as he won't care about toying with them, he'll just go straight for the kill.

As we see above that Professor Zoom was just toying with Superman, Booster Gold, and Hal Jordan. He didn't bother to fight them because he was looking for the secret behind the Omega Effect, but it's pretty clear he was faster than the three of them & was able to give them quite a whirl. Since the Professor doesn't have any motive here but "Survive & Win" I'd say your Survivors are getting blitzed.

The Willhunters will be searching for any survivors on your team. If they find any then they will disperse the Willhunter Nanites in order to convert your survivors into more Manhunters for my team. If the Manhunters get into a brawl with any survivors then they will fly in close & self destruct. They have the destructive force of a nuclear bomb when they explode, so a couple of Manhunters on one target will be quite the doozy.

The Alpha Lanterns will be searching around with the Highmaster. He should keep their rings overcharged since he can power lantern rings to an incredible overcharge. Any Survivors will be killed on the spot, and the Alpha Lanterns are no fools. They are emotionless shock troopers & the elite of the GL corps.

If Photon has gone into one of her energy forms then she will quickly be absorbed & dispatched of. Cyborg Superman has shown the ability to create a weapon to adapt to whoever he is facing in combat; see.

He was able to best Steel, Superboy, Supergirl, and Eradicator with ease. In scan (4) he admits he can create a weapon designed for either of them, and since all of your Steel suits had crazy energy absorbing skills then it shouldn't be a problem.

If Photon stays in a physical state then she'll die in combat. Professor Zoom & Amazo should easily be a match for her.

Despero & Etrigan

I hadn't forgotten about my two lovelies, as a matter of fact, Despero & Etrigan are vital in the removing of Tangent Superman.

Now I know that Tangent Superman is quite the telekinetic powerhouse & has displayed strong levels of Telepathy & Telekinesis. Thankfully, so is Despero, and I think they're quite a fair match for each other.

Scans (1-6) show him turning Martian Manhunter into a drooling mess. Scans (7-10) show him besting Aquaman & MMH in a telepathic battle and then putting them + Batman under mind control.

Despero also was able to stand up to Starro the Conqeror, he lost, but I'm going to show the scans because it shows just how MUCH power is required to beat him.

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Starro has TRILLIONS of minds linked to him; yet Despero still stood up to him. This is the ONLY time I've ever seen Despero bested in mental combat & I'm fairly sure that Tangent Superman does not display that level of telepathic power.

Now Etrigan is useful due to his Hellfire, Magic, and Physical stats. He'll easily be able to teleport to Tangent Superman and blast him with a Hellfire bath. Now I don't know if Tangent Superman has any sort of magical weakness, but regardless, he is evil. He may not be pure evil but there is some evil inside of him.

Etrigan's Hellfire has been shown to be incredibly powerful; it was even able to destroy the Phantom Stranger for a short time. Considering Etrigan is amped up more than usual due to Stonehenge I'd say that Tangent Superman is going to get quite the Hellfire bath... especially since it does more damage depending on how evil the target is.

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Here is when he destroyed the Phantom Stranger, and now I'll show what his Hellfire does to "evil" beings.

Utterly destroyed that God-Like being known as the Dreamcatcher. Tangent Superman is going to be busy withstanding Despero's mental assault & Etrigan's Hellfire. Etrigan also has the physicals to combat Superman level beings in H2H combat. Plus once my team has killed any remaining survivors/turned them into Manhunters they'll all be focusing on Tangent Superman.

I don't see a good outcome in this battle for you. You've got a good team, but mine is better.

tl;dr

Was this a really long post? Yes. Do you want me to recap everything for you? Why not!

  • Despero protects team with his own Telepathic Abilties
  • Cyborg Superman wrests control of all of your Steel Suits; uses own weapons against you to kill your team. Uses the lovely sonic emitters you installed yourself in order to turn the brains of the suit wearers into mush.
  • Cyborg Superman integrates all 2 Million Suits to his own body; he is now ridiculously powerful.
  • Etrigan & Despero combat Tangent Superman with Hellfire & Telepathy.
  • Manhunters will use Willhunter Nanites to turn any survivors into Willhunters. If they begin to falter in combat they will self destruct near your team with the force of a nuclear bomb; each one.
  • Amazo & Professor Zoom will work on blitzing any survivors. Can easily phase through them to kill them.
  • Alpha Lanterns will patrol with Highmaster. Kill any survivors on your team that they come in contact with.
  • The only two that MIGHT be able to survive the original assault are Tangent Superman & Photon.
  • Photon is absorbed if she goes into Energy Form as Cyborg Superman can make a weapon adapted for any foe he comes in contact with. She dies in a physical brawl if she stays in her physical form as Cyborg Superman will be incredibly powerful. In his normal form he was able to 2HKO Superman with his 10 Power Rings.
  • Team will focus on killing Tangent Superman
  • Cyborg Superman can also turn the battlefield against you since it's made of technology.
  • Team TTBA is victorious.

I really look forward to your response, @darkraiden. I think I've covered my bases with my team quite well. I wish you the best of luck in combat ;)

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@thetruebarryallen:

To answer your questions:

1. I assume that in the Justice League information database, there will be info on Professor Zoom. Superman has fought him, Flash has fought him, etc. Also Steel could just like...ask Superman or w/e.

2. Tangent Superman can sense people from universes away and can talk to machines with his TP. Photon can absorb and replicate universes worth of energy (at least absorb), Panther has a suit that absorbs the Power Cosmic. I think combining all of that would make sense.

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Shows his TP sensing GL energy from an alternate universe. Also shows his TP works on machines and he can power a city under his own power.

3. Stopping the Aegis merely means helping Steel battle it's mind control. Because that's what it is. He's beaten it before, and he could easily be given a psychic booster (or dampener, which ever is needed) or his Tangent Superman powers may be enough to hold it at bay. That's all I meant. Resist the control (as he's already done WITHOUT powers).

As for your plan:

1. You said you believed everything but those two things.....One of the things I said is to hacking proof (aka Cyborg Superman proof) my suits. So...your plan doesn't work. At all.

2. We have EMPs which should mess Cyborg Supes and Amazo up majorly

3. Amazo can't phase through people. Never has. Hasn't really tapped into the speedforce before either. So even with Prof Zoom absorbed, he might not be able to do that.

4. We have vibranium suits underneath the armor. So if you somehow stole them (Steel suits are already remote controlled by Steel btw and nearly impossible to hack. In fact he hacked Prometheus's armor before. With BP there to help, highly unlikely), the sonic guns literally wouldn't affect us at all as vibranium DEFINITELY absorbs sound/vibrations.

5. Magnetic devices with BP should affect your suits a great deal. At least retrieve the weapons for us (again, you can't take control of Steel's suits so...)

6. The millions of Taskmaster clones all have the Ebony Blade, extreme durability and all the powers of everyone on my team. Not only are they not dying, but with a blade that cuts everything....they easily dispatch of your team and the Steel suits.

7. Despero and Tangent Supes are comparable yes. But Despero can't hold off over 2 million Tangent Supermen. Which is essentially what he's dealing with. It will be an instant mindrape/brain stop/heart stop fest and you can't really counter that.

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He shows that he can stop hearts and other organs (even on Supes level beings), that he can tear powerful beings apart with TK, can manipulate technology (GL ring, forcefield) with TK and more. This is what happens to your team. Instant shut down everywhere. Even Despero will find himself dead and overwhelmed. None of your plan will get to start.

Also Vixen (and subsequently Taskmaster) have powerful defenses/durability from the Armored Beetle AND Krypto the Dog (lives on Earth, falls in her range). They also get the speed and strength of Krypto. Not to mention they get the TK and TP of Gorilla Grodd who deals with Flashes just fine. Oh and her claws...are magic and have cut a certain someone just fine before.

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There's Vixen doing what I said she could do above. Including copying Gorilla Grodd's own powers and beating him with them since she generally enhances any animal powers she gets.

8. So yes you're facing 2 million clones with the powers of Photon, Tangent Supes, Vixen, etc. combined. Which means that at any given moment it's an enhanced Kryptonian (with no weaknesses) with light and super TP and TK powers, as well as Steel suits (or if you want, just vibranium suits underneath) and Ebony Blades.

9. Just noticed the nuke thing. Tangent Superman's powers easily can contain a nuke. And it has. Just saying.

So yeah. It's an easy stomp for us actually.

Recap:

  • Tangent Supes can sense universes away, and the JL have databases, so we have counters to Negative Speed Force in the suits
  • Suits are hacking/Cyborg Supes proof because....you accepted it and we have at least 3 geniuses on my team, 1 of which can literally TP machines
  • Vibranium underneath and durability due to Vixen AND powers from Tangent Supes etc. prevent clones and my team from being harmed at all in anyway if you somehow took the suits
  • 2 million clones with ebony blades, kryptonian powers (no weaknesses), Tangent Supes powers, Photon's powers, etc. stomp you into the ground with TK heart, brain stop and TP mindrape
  • Also their claws can cut Despero (and they're very fast with Photon+Supes speed
  • Tangent Supes can shut down powers and tech with his powers so no Cyborg Supes doing anything
  • Entropy Aegis is faster/much stronger than Supes and stomps your team hard (never mentioned it but....it's out there)
  • Vixen's powers mean over 2 million clones with aforementioned powers and Gorilla Grodd's, someone who easily takes out Flashes like nothing
  • EMP takes out Amazo as does speed blitz
  • Team DarkRaiden victorious.
  • Believe in that and Believe in The Real

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@darkraiden, it's not going to be nearly as easy as you're making it seem & you're lacking some substance/backing with your posts.

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Alright, let's debunk your entire argument, because it's fun.

1.I assume that in the Justice League information database, there will be info on Professor Zoom. Superman has fought him, Flash has fought him, etc. Also Steel could just like...ask Superman or w/e.

Yes, because when you fight someone you clearly automatically know everything about them & their power source. Superman isn't going to have any knowledge on the Negative Speed Force & neither are the members of the Flash Family. Heck, have you ever seen a member of the Flash family try & explain their powers & power source? It's even confusing to them and when they've been cut off from their power source in the past they've had literally no understanding of why, and it's happened numerous times.

There isn't just going to be this encyclopedia of knowledge on Professor Zoom's extra dimensional energy source.

2. Tangent Superman can sense people from universes away and can talk to machines with his TP. Photon can absorb and replicate universes worth of energy (at least absorb), Panther has a suit that absorbs the Power Cosmic. I think combining all of that would make sense.

I'm glad to know that Tangent Superman can sense people from Universes away, it literally does nothing to help his understanding of Eobards power source; neither will him being able to "talk to machines". Photon's absorbing of universes is cool, but the Negative Speed Force isn't a universe; it's an entire dimension. Nobody on my team is fueled by the Power Cosmic so that's pretty useless too.

In short; none of that is doing anything to help you understand Eobard.

3. Stopping the Aegis merely means helping Steel battle it's mind control. Because that's what it is. He's beaten it before, and he could easily be given a psychic booster (or dampener, which ever is needed) or his Tangent Superman powers may be enough to hold it at bay. That's all I meant. Resist the control (as he's already done WITHOUT powers).

Okay, so throughout this fight you're going to be resisting the mind control of a suit that you've given to 1 million clones on your team. Seems like a pretty smart plan to give your team a suit that will literally try to take them over; it's a shame the suits won't get the chance.

As for your plan:

It's brilliant, I know, but lets see what you're going to try & combat it with. I've been in need of a good laugh.

1. You said you believed everything but those two things.....One of the things I said is to hacking proof (aka Cyborg Superman proof) my suits. So...your plan doesn't work. At all.

Oh of course, if we say something here on Comicvine then it MUST be true. You've claimed during your prep time that you're going to make your suits "hack proof" with no showings of Steel making something hack proof, especially from someone of Cyborg Superman's caliber. I gave you scans SHOWING Cyborg Superman TAKING CONTROL/HACKING Steel's suit & that was during Cyborg Superman's early days as a technomorph.

Cyborg Superman has more showings of being able to take control of various technologies than Steel does of preventing Cyborg Superman from doing so. What do you expect to do to prevent Cyborg Superman from taking control of the suit, it's literally his power to enter any piece of technology & take control of it. Cyborg Superman isn't stuck in his own body; he's an electronic consciousness that can move from machine to machine and build it into whatever he so desires.

If you want another ridiculous feat of Cyborg Superman taking control over something then so be it, but just claiming that the suits are "Hack Proof" is one of the flimsiest arguments I've ever seen, especially since I've shown scans of Cyborg Superman taking control over the very suits you're equipping your team with.

The above scans show a very special wall in the DCU, it's called the Source Wall. The Source Wall lies on the very edge of the universe & is the one thing between everyone else and, The Source; the cosmic being of everything that ever was, is, or will ever be. This wall is considered to be impassable & is made up of all the bodies that have tried to move through it.

Essentially, this wall is a piece of pretty advanced and rather ridiculous technology. Oh wait.. who do we see taking control of it, is that... it is! Cyborg Superman was able to enter the wall & begin using his technomorphing in order to control parts of the Wall. Cyborg Superman even explains; my chamber, my rules.

If that isn't enough to show you that Cyborg Superman is easily going to bypass your generic "hack proof" suits then I've got another lovely set of scans for you.

Here he is manipulating a giant space ship; what is he doing with it you may ask? He's folding it in on itself so that it goes on for infinity. He's making an inescapable prison that is mathematically infinite, because he can.

So you may claim your suits are "hack proof" but you're lacking some substance with that argument, maybe you should ask Steel for some help.. oh wait...

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Yeah... "Hack Proof". Hah.

2. We have EMPs which should mess Cyborg Supes and Amazo up majorly

Oh no you have EMPs, it's not like you're going to get the suits to work for you anyways. Lets say you do though, I'll debate the rest of these points because it seems fun & I like countering what other people say in debates; I enjoy it.

So you're telling me that when the entirety of the Green Lantern Corps were struggling with Cyborg Superman all they needed was an EMP? You're telling me that when the entirety of the Superman family was struggling with Cyborg Superman that a simple EMP would be able to stop him?

You see, nuclear weapons end up discharging electomagnetic pulses & radiation; and Cyborg Superman took a pretty massive Nuke with no damage done at all, even with the EMP that comes with a nuke.

That blast atomized everything. I say blast but if you read the scans there were 77,000 simultaneous explosions. Then what does it say, the leader has survived... without any severe injury. I don't think some EMPS are going to be ANY problem for Cyborg Superman, pal.

Amazo is another story; he could just go intangible & avoid it entirely. He could do so by using the Power Ring that Cyborg Superman gave to him or by using Flashes powers to just vibrate himself to an intangible state.

" He's gone Intangible! " - Scan (2)

3. Amazo can't phase through people. Never has. Hasn't really tapped into the speedforce before either. So even with Prof Zoom absorbed, he might not be able to do that.

Tantu totem is going to grant him finer control over his abilities & since he'll have both Flash & Professor Zoom he could surely phase through someone. If people think it's REALLY far fetched then he could just go intangible, then tangible while inside of someone or something. It'd act like a tele-frag.

4. We have vibranium suits underneath the armor. So if you somehow stole them (Steel suits are already remote controlled by Steel btw and nearly impossible to hack. In fact he hacked Prometheus's armor before. With BP there to help, highly unlikely), the sonic guns literally wouldn't affect us at all as vibranium DEFINITELY absorbs sound/vibrations.

You've got Vibranium Mesh Suits underneath, Iron Fist was able to slash it open with his punches, it's not like you've got a full body suit that is impossible to breach.

If a street leveler (+) like Iron Fist was able to cut through it with his blunt fists then these HT characters are going to have no problem. The sonics were literally just one means of attack. Cyborg Superman could just have the suits crush on everyone or fold in on itself for infinity like he was doing with the ship in the scans I showed earlier. Plus you've given those suits TONS of weapons so Cyborg Superman has a long list of ways to dispatch of the people inside of the suits before incorporating them into his own being.

5. Magnetic devices with BP should affect your suits a great deal. At least retrieve the weapons for us (again, you can't take control of Steel's suits so...)

Oh no, Magnetic Devices, it's a good thing that Brainiac 8 is able to magnetize things & has control of magnets/magnetism.

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See, she magnetized the wall for them! As far as you telling me that we won't be able to hack the suits, I continue to laugh. I've shown you scans of Cyborg Superman hacking into the very suits you're telling me he can't hack. Just saying that they are hack proof doesn't prove anything, especially when they've been hacked, the same suits, by a character on my team, that I'm saying is doing the hacking!

Do you realize how silly that statement is?

6. The millions of Taskmaster clones all have the Ebony Blade, extreme durability and all the powers of everyone on my team. Not only are they not dying, but with a blade that cuts everything....they easily dispatch of your team and the Steel suits.

With a blade that cuts everything, in suits that cover your entire body, and can be controlled by someone on my team... did you just grant me an entire army of Taskmasters whose heads I can crush but keep the rest of the suit in tact & then just have them slice & dice each other like robotic puppets?

I think you did, thanks!

7. Despero and Tangent Supes are comparable yes. But Despero can't hold off over 2 million Tangent Supermen. Which is essentially what he's dealing with. It will be an instant mindrape/brain stop/heart stop fest and you can't really counter that.

I've already given enough reasons as to why your 2 million are dying incredibly fast.

  • Cyborg Superman controls all the weapons on your suits & can cause them to insta-kill the people inside them.
  • Cyborg Superman can remodel the helmets in order to fold in infinitely on the heads of the wearers; thus killing the people inside of them.
  • Professor Zoom & Amazo are going to be able to move the speed of light. Speed of Light > Speed of Thought

Heck, I could just have the Professor & Amazo disarm your entire team; leave the suits on, and then have Cyborg Superman destroy the suits. His consciousness can just keep moving from machine to machine too so it's not like you'll just be able to "mindrape" him.

It should also be noted that your "Two Million" are nothing compared to the TRILLIONS of minds that Starro had backing him & Despero still held up a fight. Heck, the only reason Starro was ever able to beat Despero in a telepathic battle/have any sort of sway over him was after he damaged Despero's 3rd eye. Something your team won't be able to do because you'll be too busy dying at the hands of my malicious Cyborg as he hacks your "hack proof" suits.

He shows that he can stop hearts and other organs (even on Supes level beings), that he can tear powerful beings apart with TK, can manipulate technology (GL ring, forcefield) with TK and more. This is what happens to your team. Instant shut down everywhere. Even Despero will find himself dead and overwhelmed. None of your plan will get to start.

2 Million < Trillions

Stopping hearts isn't difficult to do, it's pretty basic control over the nervous system. Most telepaths should be able to do such but they just have morals. Cyborg Superman can manipulate technology with his technomorphing, the TK feat there doesn't really have anything to do with the telepathic power that Desepero is packing.

All of my plan will get to start & to finish. You've doomed yourself from the start.

Plus, since Amazo has copied Despero, he'll be able to work with the telepathy as well, thus aiding to the telepathic defenses of my team.

Also Vixen (and subsequently Taskmaster) have powerful defenses/durability from the Armored Beetle AND Krypto the Dog (lives on Earth, falls in her range). They also get the speed and strength of Krypto. Not to mention they get the TK and TP of Gorilla Grodd who deals with Flashes just fine. Oh and her claws...are magic and have cut a certain someone just fine before.

Oh wow, I'm quaking in my boots over here, oh wait, no I'm not.

First off, 99.9% of your team is dead after the suits are under my control. I've shown how easy it is for my team to do that; especially since we're only going after 2 Million life forms [ Cyborg Superman dominated 1 BILLION ]

As for you having the strength & speed of Krypto, big whoop. You may have the powers of the MOS's Dog, but Despero easily overpowers his master & his other powerhouse friends.

Lets see; Despero just dominated:

  1. Superman
  2. Powergirl
  3. Shazam/Captain Marvel
  4. Wonder Woman
  5. Hourman
  6. Hawkman

....aaaaand some others. I'm glad you have the abilities of Superman's dog.

As for having Grodd's Telepathy....

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Just like when Grodd intruded.... only a THOUSANDS TIMES WORSE! *dun dun dunnnn*

8. So yes you're facing 2 million clones with the powers of Photon, Tangent Supes, Vixen, etc. combined. Which means that at any given moment it's an enhanced Kryptonian (with no weaknesses) with light and super TP and TK powers, as well as Steel suits (or if you want, just vibranium suits underneath) and Ebony Blades.

I'm facing nobody, because they all die right near the start. You've got Suits that control your teams exoskeletons & you've armed them with blades that can cut through anything. I can have your team easily slice & dice through each other while Cyborg Superman sits back laughing at them. He can fold in the helmet piece an infinite number of times, mathematically speaking, and instantly kill your entire team.

Professor Zoom is faster than anyone on your team & Amazo has the same speed. There is nothing preventing them from disarming your team of the Ebony blades & slicing through EVERYONE on your team, even those lovely Vibranium suits that you all look ever so dashing in.

9. Just noticed the nuke thing. Tangent Superman's powers easily can contain a nuke. And it has. Just saying.

So can Cyborg Superman, 77,000 simultaneously actually. Maybe not contain it but withstand it.

So yeah. It's an easy stomp for us actually.

Indeed it is, you're getting stomped. Hard.

Recap:

Time to do some re-cappin on my end too. Why not just debunk your recap because it really is incredibly fun.

Tangent Supes can sense universes away, and the JL have databases, so we have counters to Negative Speed Force in the suits

Tangent Superman can sense universes away and still learn nothing about the Negative Speed Force; the Justice League has a database that has never implied having any information on the powers & abilities of Professor Zoom. Heck, the Flash Family doesn't even know how his powers truly work and they battle him all the time and have a similar dimensional based power source. Darn.

Suits are hacking/Cyborg Supes proof because....you accepted it and we have at least 3 geniuses on my team, 1 of which can literally TP machines

I didn't question the "hack-proofing" because I was going to debunk it throughout my debate, and I did. If your argument is that I "accepted" that it was hack proofing by spending a rather lengthy time explaining how my team was going to hack your crap then I don't know how you got this far in the tournament. You have at least 3 geniuses on your team? Darn, it only makes me wish I had... oh wait I've got Eobard Thawne, Hank Henshaw, and Brainiac 8. Looks like I'm there too. You can TP machines? I can TM machines. Cyborg Superman outclasses your Tangent Superman when it comes to machines, bub.

Vibranium underneath and durability due to Vixen AND powers from Tangent Supes etc. prevent clones and my team from being harmed at all in anyway if you somehow took the suits

Vibranium suit that a street leveler was able to bust when you cut the seams. Durability that my team easily bypasses & deals with on a regular basis. Ebony Blades that my team can disarm from you & then use to cut throgh you because they cut EVERYTHING! Your words.

2 million clones with ebony blades, kryptonian powers (no weaknesses), Tangent Supes powers, Photon's powers, etc. stomp you into the ground with TK heart, brain stop and TP mindrape

Ahh yes, two million clones, two million is so close to Trillions. Wait, no it isn't. Despero >>>>>> Tangent Supes

Heck My Team >>>>>> Your Team.

Also their claws can cut Despero (and they're very fast with Photon+Supes speed

Good thing Despero doesn't have a healing factor or anything..... oh wait. He does. Good thing your team isn't getting beaten right off the bat... oh wait... they are..

Tangent Supes can shut down powers and tech with his powers so no Cyborg Supes doing anything

Ah yes, shutting down powers & tech, if only my team could react faster than anyone else on your team, grab some Ebony Blades, and then slice through your entire team before they react... oh wait... oops.

Entropy Aegis is faster/much stronger than Supes and stomps your team hard (never mentioned it but....it's out there)

Literally everyone on my team is going to be Stronger & Faster than Supes. This is redudent, plus, it's tech. You're using tech against a man who was able to take control of the Source Wall & the very same Tech that suit is made of. You're hilarious!

Vixen's powers mean over 2 million clones with aforementioned powers and Gorilla Grodd's, someone who easily takes out Flashes like nothing

Good thing Supergirl didn't say that Despero was 1000's of times more powerful than Grodd when it comes to telepathy! I don't know what I'd do if that happened! OH WAIT, SHE DID! WHOOP WHOOP.

EMP takes out Amazo as does speed blitz

Intangibility & goodluck blitzing Amazo w/Wally West speed there, bub.

Team DarkRaiden victorious.

Dead. DarkRaiden team, dead.

Believe in that and Believe in The True; TheTrueBarryAllen that is.

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1. Taskmaster doesn't have the Entropy Aegis. Only Steel does. Read my prep again.

2. How else am I supposed to interpret a statement like what you said? You literally said you believed everything on my list except for the two you named.....and then directly contradicted yourself. Which is why I asked.

3. I'm not claiming the suits will be naturally hack proof. I'm claiming that in the time we have, BP, Tangent Supes, and Steel will work to hack proof it. Because...you know Steel's had this happen to him before and knows we're facing Cyborg Supes.

4. Street levellers don't rip Vibranium. Iron Fist did it with Chi (which is mystical and has many different properties) and many many hits. None of your people have chi. Vibranium has survived hits by Hulk (as strong as anyone on your team), Iron Man, and more. Don't try an lowball as if Iron fist's strength is all you need to rip it. It was literally a special occasion. And Steel's best feat for hacking was probably hacking Prometheus's suit.

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5. Universal sensing is important because that means that Tangent Supes will be able to sense what type of energy Professor Zoom is using and thus be able to build a counter to it. That's all. Being able to absorb the Power Cosmic is impressive because of how powerful it is and because it is the power of abstracts and entities. So what I was saying is that with knowledge of the negative speed force (which Tangent Supes will have due to sensing from universes away), and 3 geniuses, we can modify the absorption to also absorb Negative Speed Force. Also Universe=>Dimension. Just saying.

6. Let me address that Ebony Blade thing.

"Merlin has enchanted the blade so that its wielder can be injured, but not killed. The one exception is when the wielder is attacked by a weapon forge from the same starstone as the blade (such as the dagger Merlin himself crafted)."

So you can't kill my 2 million clones in any way. No matter what you do. And you have no knowledge of that either. Which is great.

7. I'm gonna quote your words here. "Now I know that Tangent Superman is quite the telekinetic powerhouse & has displayed strong levels of Telepathy & Telekinesis. Thankfully, so is Despero, and I think they're quite a fair match for each other."

This is what you said. Now when I say that you're fighting 2 million Tangent Supermen.....somehow that isn't enough? You have to make up your mind. Can't keep contradicting yourself.

And TK'ing someone like Superman's heart is a pretty big deal.

8. Tangent Supes straight up shut off a green lantern ring, powered a city by himself, spawned fire, turned off people's powers, etc. That is impressive and useful for this battle simply because I have over 2 million people with this same ability. And reason says that it will be at least 2 millionx stronger. That means no Technomorphing for Cyborg Supes, it's now shut off as is his consciousness. No movement or thought for your team because we shut off their minds and powers. And Gorilla Grodd was brought up simply because he takes out Flashes. Which Professor Zoom basically is.

9. Amazo is featless using the speedforce, never has, can't assume he can, he gets EMP'd and taken out.

10. You can't crush Ultimate Taskmaster or his clones's heads. He has:

A. The durability of a kryptonian

B. Armored beetle (took full on Superman punch) stacked on that

C. Vibranium on under that

D. Healing factor from kryptonians and other animals but accelerated

E. Can turn into light

F. Ebony Blade won't let him die.

G. TK shields that easily took Superman's punches

So that plan goes out the window. Immediately.

11. Entropy Aegis Steel is faster than Superman, who has the reaction time to tag professor Zoom. Vixen and Ultimate Taskmaster have Kryptonian speed as well and Tangent Supes had absolutely no trouble containing Green Lanterns (have tagged flashes) or Flash when he fought them. So Zoom nor Amazo can blitz at all. Also speed of light is the same speed kryptonians and photon can move at. Also....since we did bring up Grodd:

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According to Flash, at least pertaining to Grodd, speed of light<<<Speed of thought.

12. Despero bodied like...3 kryptonians. Cool. We have over 2 million. And they have magic claws that can draw blood from Despero when used by someone of barely super strength (nothing like the Kryptonian strength we're using here).

13. Again, Grodd was for Flash/Zoom. Just pointing out how TP messes up flashes.

14. I've shown Tangent Supes also controlling technology on high levels. Now there's 2 million+ of him. We'll win that battle (also we can clone mid battle if need be).

So recap:

  • We have suits that are proofed against Cyborg Supes and his powers. Was literally stated in my prep. Considering we have the guy who made a suit that can beat Doomsday and can hang with Superman, a guy who made the counter to the X-gene in 10 minutes and has plans against Galactus, and a hyper intelligent man who can grant himself powers, can talk to technology (and control it), can sense out of the universe, can stop and take control of a green lantern ring, and can turn off powers with his mind. I'd say with 3 weeks and complete knowledge on Cyborg Supes that's a very viable plan. You know and I know that if we didn't do that we wouldn't come out to fight Cyborg Supes in walking technology. Come one now. What do I have to make a separate plan for "if my super geniuses can't counter literally one powerset, then this"?
  • We have 2 million clones who are Tangent Supes but with Kryptonian physicals, Photon's powers, and the Ebony Blade
  • You already said 1 Tangent Supes and Despero was a good match. With 2 million we stomp
  • Grodd's TP>Flashes speed according to Flash. So our TP will take out Professor Zoom (as will the energy absorbing suit)
  • We also have 2 million clones with the claws to hurt Despero and the strength and speed to easily do something with it
  • Literally every power you hit Ultimate Tasky with he gets. So good luck with that.
  • Let's not forget about Photon who can: Hurt skyfathers, absorb extradimensional energy, do thousands of attacks at lightspeed, blind even the likes of Thor as a side effect of her attacks. And all 2 million of my clones can do this.
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So yeah. We still win. Believe in THAT!

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@darkraiden: Well, I've gotta say; you've got guts.

1. Taskmaster doesn't have the Entropy Aegis. Only Steel does. Read my prep again.

Your prep wording was slightly confusing.

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Made it sound like [ to me ] that 1 million of the clones had the Aegis armor. Just a mis-read on my part.

2. How else am I supposed to interpret a statement like what you said? You literally said you believed everything on my list except for the two you named.....and then directly contradicted yourself. Which is why I asked.

I didn't "believe" everything on your list. There were two things that I wanted you to prove yourself because they seemed incredibly far fetched. I never said I agreed with the "hack proofing" & actually stated that I questioned the ability for you to build some of the things you claimed they could build. I didn't bother putting the "hack proofing" in that part because I was about to directly counter it with scans of Steel's armor [ the exact armor IN QUESTION here ] being hacked by Cyborg Superman.

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The only things I wasn't questioning here was the cloning or the object duplication.

3. I'm not claiming the suits will be naturally hack proof. I'm claiming that in the time we have, BP, Tangent Supes, and Steel will work to hack proof it. Because...you know Steel's had this happen to him before and knows we're facing Cyborg Supes.

None of those people have shown anything in what they've built that should make it "hack proof" for Cyborg Superman. His power is literally technomorphing; it's what he does. He takes over technology no matter how powerful or foreign it may be to him. Steel has never built anything that was above Cyborg Superman & he never will. Black Panther has never built anything that was above Cyborg Superman & he never will. I don't even think Tangent Superman has any significant prep feats that would display him creating something that Cyborg Superman can't bypass.

The scan you showed of Tangent Superman controlling machines/powering things with his powers was an entire city. A city does not compare to the Source Wall, 1 Billion Techno-Organic life forms, or an entire planet. Tangent Superman's feats do not put him anywhere close to the technomorphing of Cyborg Superman. You've said it yourself, he can talk to machines & can move them with Telekinesis. He does not reconfigure them on the same level that Cyborg Superman does/will.

4. Street levellers don't rip Vibranium. Iron Fist did it with Chi (which is mystical and has many different properties) and many many hits. None of your people have chi. Vibranium has survived hits by Hulk (as strong as anyone on your team), Iron Man, and more. Don't try an lowball as if Iron fist's strength is all you need to rip it. It was literally a special occasion. And Steel's best feat for hacking was probably hacking Prometheus's suit.

Then please do explain to me why Iron Fist was able to breach it, sure, he has chi, but Black Panther's suit does have it's limits for how much energy it can absorb. I've seen scans galore of BP wearing his Vibranium suit & it having various slashes & cuts in it. If you look up Black Panther here on the Vine it even states that his suit is a Vibranium Mesh; when you cut along the grain it can be sliced open. Considering that Iron Fist attacked with a flurry of different angles during his fight with Black Panther it's safe to say some of those hits went along the grain.

Vibranium can withstand powerful blunt force hits, slashes; however, seem to damage it quite a bit. At least the armor that your Black Panther is using & that is his Vibranium Mesh suit.

I'm not low-balling Iron Fist; I'm stating that you brought a Street Level character into a High Tier tournament and you're ludicrous if you think that anyone on my team is going to have trouble emulating what Iron Fist did, as everyone on my team is LEAGUES above Iron Fist in terms of power outing.

Steel's best feat for hacking is Prometheus's suit? Steel can't hold a candle to Cyborg Superman then. There is nothing to suggest that anyone on your team can create some piece of technology that Cyborg Superman won't be able to get his hands on & manipulate. Henshaw is literally the BEST Technomorph in the DCU and the fact that your team is relying so much on this tech is your downfall.

5. Universal sensing is important because that means that Tangent Supes will be able to sense what type of energy Professor Zoom is using and thus be able to build a counter to it. That's all. Being able to absorb the Power Cosmic is impressive because of how powerful it is and because it is the power of abstracts and entities. So what I was saying is that with knowledge of the negative speed force (which Tangent Supes will have due to sensing from universes away), and 3 geniuses, we can modify the absorption to also absorb Negative Speed Force. Also Universe=>Dimension. Just saying.

Universal sensing isn't important at all, he may be able to sense Professor Zoom but it doesn't mean he's going to have infinite knowledge on the subject of his power source. I can use a metal detector to find & locate objects that I can't see, it doesn't mean I'm going to have full knowledge on the object.

Being able to absorb the Power Cosmic is impressive, and if I had characters here who relied on that type of a power source then I'd be in trouble. Thankfully Professor Zoom's energies & powers come from a different dimension; the Negative Speedforce. Tangent Superman isn't going to obtain knowledge on it just because he can sense it, that's a flawed argument and you can't show any feats or give any logical reasoning as to why he WOULD understand it.

I have plenty of geniuses on my team as well, just because someone is smart doesn't mean they'll be able to learn everything in a month's time.

Also; no. You're wrong. Universe is not larger than a Dimension. A universe has an end, it is finite. There is no technical limit to a dimension, it can theoretically be limitless & infinite. There is nothing to suggest that the Negative Speedforce has a limit to it as it has allowed Professor Zoom to move through the fabric of Space & Time.

6. Let me address that Ebony Blade thing.

"Merlin has enchanted the blade so that its wielder can be injured, but not killed. The one exception is when the wielder is attacked by a weapon forge from the same starstone as the blade (such as the dagger Merlin himself crafted)."

So you can't kill my 2 million clones in any way. No matter what you do. And you have no knowledge of that either. Which is great.

If the wielder of the weapon is whoever is holding it then wouldn't the wielder be Professor Zoom and/or Amazo at the time that they take the weapon? If the wielder of the weapon is the person the weapon was intended for then wouldn't it still be Black Panther, even if you're letting the Ultimate Taskmaster clones use them?

If I still can't kill your team when I disarm them & try to use the blade against them then I can mortally wound them to the brink of death; nothing against that in Merlin's little rulebook.

If you're claiming that my team won't try to do that, then Cyborg Superman still has a multitude of weapons at his disposal thanks to all the upgrades you made on the armor. Plus; I've already explained that Cyborg Superman can create a weapon out of anything to adapt to anyone and anything, while in the midst of battle. He can create a weapon out of the technology you've brought to this battle that will easily take your team out.

7. I'm gonna quote your words here. "Now I know that Tangent Superman is quite the telekinetic powerhouse & has displayed strong levels of Telepathy & Telekinesis. Thankfully, so is Despero, and I think they're quite a fair match for each other."

Sarcasm is fun, I then went on to talk about how Despero has only shown any sign of faltering when he went up against Starro the Conquer who had the combined might of 9 Galaxies, filled with HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS of linked minds. Despero faltered but was still protected from Starro due to his Third Eye. Your TWO MILLION of inexperienced telepathy users are NOTHING to Despero.

This is what you said. Now when I say that you're fighting 2 million Tangent Supermen.....somehow that isn't enough? You have to make up your mind. Can't keep contradicting yourself.

It isn't a big deal, and I was being sarcastic about your 2 Million Tangent Supermen. Here you are thinking that your 2 Million clones are the best thing to hit this tournament & that nothing could surpass the number 2 Million.

Cyborg Superman's Technomorphing was able to hold of 1 Billion. 1,000,000,000 > 2,000,000

Despero was able to hold up Telepathy Resistance to Hundreds of Trillions of minds. 100,000,000,000,000 > 2,000,000

Your numbers are obsolete when compared to the raw power & skill that my own team possess. You may have 2 Million Clones with the abilities of Tangent Superman, but they are not experienced in how to use them; even if they were you have no way to break the telepathic powerhouse that is Despero.

In fact, I've never seen Despero beaten in a physical fight against anyone of your team's caliber either. Whenever he went up against the Justice League he'd just get BFR'd; something neither of us are allowed to do in this tournament, and considering that your 2 Million have no resistance against Cyborg Superman's Technomorphing, Despero's Telepathy, or Professor Zoom's phasing then I'd say you're in a pretty rough place.

And TK'ing someone like Superman's heart is a pretty big deal.

Why, does Superman have some sort of really good Heart Telepathy Resistance? I'd say that making J'onn J'onzz turn into a drooling mess with some simple illusion casting is a much larger deal then TK'ing a Kyrptonian's heart.

8. Tangent Supes straight up shut off a green lantern ring, powered a city by himself, spawned fire, turned off people's powers, etc. That is impressive and useful for this battle simply because I have over 2 million people with this same ability. And reason says that it will be at least 2 millionx stronger. That means no Technomorphing for Cyborg Supes, it's now shut off as is his consciousness. No movement or thought for your team because we shut off their minds and powers. And Gorilla Grodd was brought up simply because he takes out Flashes. Which Professor Zoom basically is.

You keep making Tangent Superman out to be a much larger deal then he actually is. Over half of my team should be able to drain a Green Lantern ring, heck the Alpha Lanterns & Manhunters can & Cyborg Superman has a power battery that he used to drain Ganthet's ring built into his chest. Tangent Superman powered an entire city? That's nothing compared to the entire PLANET that Cyborg Superman was able to control. Tangent Superman made fire, so can Despero with his psionic fire bolts.

You keep claiming that he can turn off the powers of my teams & that he'll breach the minds of my team but there is nothing to suggest that he can surpass the telepathic feats of Despero. Unless you can show me Tangent Superman doing something on the level of 100 Trillion Linked Minds [ this is me being generous, the scan said 100's of Trillions yet I'm only using 1 ] then nothing you're saying is actually going to happen.

Grodd was brought up because of Professor Zoom... who is linking minds with Despero... who is not going to be going down at the hands of 1 Tangent Superman, 100 Tangent Supermen, or 100 million Tangent Supermen. Tangent Superman is so incredibly outclassed when it comes to battling Despero, and since the rest of my team are under the mental protection of Despero nothing is going to happen to them either.

9. Amazo is featless using the speedforce, never has, can't assume he can, he gets EMP'd and taken out.

I literally showed you a scan of Amazo going intangible & then someone in the JL stating that he's gone intangible. I'll post it again in case you missed it, I'm laughing a lot at this debate, it's fun.

Also; you don't need the Speedforce to use Super Speed. Amazo can replicate the Speed of the Flash, he replicates powers, that is LITERALLY his ONE FUNCTION.

He is not going down to a simple EMP attack that you'll never even get to set off. Cyborg Superman is going to dominate your technology while Despero dominates your minds.

10. You can't crush Ultimate Taskmaster or his clones's heads. He has:

A. The durability of a kryptonian

B. Armored beetle (took full on Superman punch) stacked on that

C. Vibranium on under that

D. Healing factor from kryptonians and other animals but accelerated

E. Can turn into light

F. Ebony Blade won't let him die.

G. TK shields that easily took Superman's punches

So that plan goes out the window. Immediately.

Oh no, what will I ever do now? I wrote down several ways that Cyborg Superman could approach this. I don't care that you have the costume of a Street Level Marvel Character on underneath the costume of a low-high tier DC character. So what if you've got Vibranium, it's easy enough to break the suit that BP uses & has been down several times. If he has the durability of a Kryptonian then wouldn't he have the weaknesses of one too? Vixen can copy abilities, she should also be copying their weaknesses. When Cyborg Superman first copied Superman's birthing matrix & obtained his DNA to then replicate in the organic processes he was still weak to the same things any Kyrptonian was.

Unlike Cyborg Superman; however, Vixen wouldn't have a way of adjusting the organic makeup of her powers & making sure she doesn't obtain any of the weaknesses. So your Taskmaster should be weak to Kryptonite radiation, which the Lantern Rings on the Alpha Lanterns & Cyborg Superman can emulate.

Even with Kyrptonian durability your team isn't impossible to harm; every single member of my team is pretty much Kryptonian + when it comes to durability. The Ebony Blade may not let him die but it can still injure him to the brink of death where it then becomes incredibly easy to kill them/him by other means.

Despero should easily be able to shut down the minds of your team & end this immediately. If you're going to try & go for mind rape I might as well, the only problem here is that my team is going to be better at it [Despero + Amazo] = Bad News for you.

If you turn into light then Cyborg Superman can just absorb it into his Oan Power Battery or can create a weapon to absorb it. Going into a pure energy form when I have a team fully capable of absorbing energy/building objects to absorb energy/hack objects that you modified to absorb all types of energy... is... silly.

11. Entropy Aegis Steel is faster than Superman, who has the reaction time to tag professor Zoom. Vixen and Ultimate Taskmaster have Kryptonian speed as well and Tangent Supes had absolutely no trouble containing Green Lanterns (have tagged flashes) or Flash when he fought them. So Zoom nor Amazo can blitz at all. Also speed of light is the same speed kryptonians and photon can move at. Also....since we did bring up Grodd:

Entropy Aegis Steel is automatically under control of my team via Technomorphing from Cyborg Superman. You have NO actual showings of your team accomplishing in your prep time what you THINK they could accomplish. Just because you have smart people on your team doesn't mean they're capable of anything & everything you claim them to be. Next time you try & create a team w/prep masters make sure you're aware of what they can ACTUALLY acomplish.

When talking about tagging, sure these people have tagged them before, you can catch someone off guard. Should I mention the time that Deathstroke tagged Flash, does it mean that I think Deathstroke is FTL? No, I don't, and Kryptonian speed is not nearly up to par with Professor Zoom who is on the level of Barry Allen, must I post the scan in which Barry famously states "Those were for charity, Clark" as he effortlessly speeds past Superman?

You saw the scan I posted earlier, Professor Zoom schooled Superman, Hal Jordan, and Booster Gold, and that was him toying around because he was focused on something else.

I don't care if Tangent Superman was able to contain Green Lanterns; those Green Lanterns didn't have Despero protecting their minds. You're using A/B/C logic here and that's generally looked down upon in debates.

Speed of Light may be less than Speed of Thought, in concept, but it doesn't really matter. You may be able to THINK about something but to actively react and do it, your team cannot. You don't have the reaction time is what I'm going for, nobody on your team should be able to react to Professor Zoom or Wally West/Amazo levels of speed.

12. Despero bodied like...3 kryptonians. Cool. We have over 2 million. And they have magic claws that can draw blood from Despero when used by someone of barely super strength (nothing like the Kryptonian strength we're using here).

Despero effortlessly defeated a flurry of DC powerhouse characters; I showed that as a highlight of his physical abilities. Despero is mainly on my team for his Telepathic skills, skills that surpass anyone and everyone on your team, even with your AWE INSPIRING [ sarcasm, figured I'd note it this time so you don't think I'm contradicting myself ] TWO MILLION.

I don't care if you have magic claws, nobody on your team is getting the chance to attack Despero; Cyborg Superman is making sure of that when he immobilizes your team by taking control of the armor & tech your using. Despero can even make sure nobody attacks him as he effortlessly mind rapes EVERYONE on your team. You don't have anyone close to Starro levels; remember last time Starro tried to bring down Despero?

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Dead Starfish. That's what happened. Heck, these things instantly took over the minds of Flash, Superman, Martian Manhunter, pretty much EVERYONE but Despero; because Despero has that much TP resistance. Thanks to his lovely Third Eye.

13. Again, Grodd was for Flash/Zoom. Just pointing out how TP messes up flashes.

TP messes up Speedsters, yes. Good thing I have my entire team protected by Despero & Amazo w/Despero powers.

14. I've shown Tangent Supes also controlling technology on high levels. Now there's 2 million+ of him. We'll win that battle (also we can clone mid battle if need be).

You showed him controlling technology on a CITY WIDE level & 1 Lantern Ring. I showed 1 man controlling 1 billion life forms with his mind. Your team is going to be battling against the Technomorphic skills of Cyborg Superman [ you lose ] and the mind powers of Despero [ you lose ] and Amazo with Despero powers [ you lose some more ].

Feel free to try cloning mid-battle. You'll just end up with more dead clones. My team can eliminate your clones faster than you can make them.

So recap:

  • You are unable to counter Cyborg Superman; you know who has ever been able to counter his Technomorphing? Nobody, he's essentially an immortal and he keeps coming back. He has the ability to control 1 billion techno-organic life forms, he can take command of the almighty Source Wall, he can effortlessly build a weapon to counter anything you throw at him [ and he's stated that, like, I actually have a scan in here of him SAYING that ] and he can adapt more technology to himself on the fly. I don't care if you have Steel on your team, Cyborg Superman beat Steel. I don't care if you have Black Panther, nothing he has done suggests that he can try & contain the beast that the entirety of the Green Lantern Corps failed to contain. I don't care if you have Tangent Superman, the guy is appearing to be pretty darn featless for prep, you can't just ASSUME that they'll be able to do things unless you have evidence supporting that claim. You can't counter this powerset, nobody else has in the past & since your team relies so much on technology you've screwed yourself.
  • Despero surpasses everyone and everything on your team when it comes to telepathy. If you want to play the mind-rape game then you're going to lose because Despero stood up to Starro. You know who else stood up to Starro? Nobody. You know who else resisted getting whacked in the face by one of those Starfish? Nobody. You know who else was able to combat the combined might of 100's of Trillions of minds in a battle of telepathy? Nobody. Despero is the telepathy champ and you've got nobody who can bring him down on the front for your team.
  • You have 2 Million Clones; I have people that can easily handle those numbers... AND HAVE.
  • I said Despero vs Tangent Superman was a fair fight because I was being Sarcastic. It's clear that Tangent Superman is getting ROFLSTOMPED; it doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100 million, he's gonna lose to Despero.
  • You cannot create a suit to absorb the Negative Speedforce, you have nobody on your team that has knowledge of it and neither does the JLA. Even the Flash Family doesn't really have any true way to combat it & if ANYONE did they should know, but they don't!
  • Who cares if you have Grodd's TP; Professor Zoom is under the mental protection of Despero!
  • Ultimate Taskmaster has limits, seriously, what is his best feat? I'm even skeptical that he can absorb everything you're claiming he can because you've shown ZERO of his feats in this battle & I can't find ANY on the internet. Hell, Ult. Taskmaster got overpowered by Cloak!
  • Photon doesn't stand a chance, cool, she can hurt skyfathers;I don't care if the clones on your team have her powers; they don't have the TP resistance to avoid Despero & when Cyborg Superman turns ALL of your weapons on you you're going to be hurtin' pretty bad. Plus all of your scans were literally random 1 panel, out of context scans. You don't even explain them, hah.
  • You literally have done nothing to counter Etrigan. Lol.
  • Amazo has the abilities of everyone on my team; and the way it's looking right now Despero & Cyborg Superman could take on your entire team without any chance in losing.

Good attempt, but you're outmatched, outclassed, and you're not going to win this battle.

Despero & Cyborg Superman 4 MVP of this Tournament

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@thetruebarryallen: Real quick, a more in depth response may be added in later

1. Technomorphing is essentially psionically commanding technology. If we cut off the techno-psionic waves that Cyborg superman is sending, then no technology is effected. aka we cut off/make our tech not receive his thoughts. That's the way to counter it.

2. Telepathy = mind control and rape. Telekinesis = moving physical things with your mind. Making MMH a drooling husk has nothing to do with stopping Superman's heart. They're 2 different powers. It is impressive to stop his hart because he is more durable and dense inside and out, and thus it's showing that Tangent Supees can stop hearts even when the person is higher level. Even if Despero had TP defense, he doesn't have the necessary TK defense.

3. Zoom and Amazo aren't fast enough to steal all the Ebony Blades. All the people holding them are as fast as Zoom and Amazo if not faster due to Kryptonian and/or Photon speed.

4. Despero beat 4-5 Justice Leaguers at best, so they had to BFR him. He never faced 2 million and they didn't all have Kryptonian speed and magic claws that cut him as well as TK to stop his heart or mind and super strength.

5. Quality>Quantity. Tangent Superman's TP can turn off powers, his TK can erase people from existence and stop Superman's heart and other organs. It can sense heroes and villains from across universes and can shut down a GL ring. 2 Million of those minds>>>1 trillion of.....featless minds.

6. Tangent Supes can turn off powers and can spawn random things. Cyborg Supes, Zoom, etc. will all have their powers shut off nd blocked in a similar way with 2 million clones there.

7. Everyone on your team gets heart and/or brain stopped with TK. Then Cyborg Supes gets put down with TP

8. Vibranium has taken attacks from Stardust, Hulk,, Iron Man, Energy that can supposedly put down Thor, and been fine. Iron Fist is literally a special case because of chi and only chi. You don't have chi, you don't get that special case.

That's it for now.

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@darkraiden: Alright, I know you said you'd post a more in depth post later, but you're incorrect on several fronts.

1. Technomorphing is essentially psionically commanding technology. If we cut off the techno-psionic waves that Cyborg superman is sending, then no technology is effected. aka we cut off/make our tech not receive his thoughts. That's the way to counter it.

Hank Henshaw has the ability to transfer his consciousness into other machines; he can do this simultaneously to 1 billion machines and/or techno-organic beings. There has never been an instance in which Hank was stopped from assimilating himself or other pieces of technology by someone attempting to cut off his "techno-psionic" waves.

You've been throwing a lot of assumptions out there; especially with the abilities of Tangent Superman & what he can do with prep. I've looked at the character's respect thread and read through several battles with him in it to get a feel for the character. When I'm in a battle I do research on my opponents teams because sometimes, when people are debating, they tend to have an extreme bias towards their own team & over exaggerate their abilities.

Tangent Superman hasn't shown the ability to cut off the powers of a high leveled character such as Cyborg Superman or Despero or anyone else on my team for that matter. Sure, he stopped John Stewart from using his Lantern Ring with his mind, it's not a very difficult thing for someone to do & John Stewart isn't the most powerful GL. His battle against Ultra Humanite was cool but didn't really show much besides the fact that his mind is "powerful" and he was able to beat another telepath, but UH wasn't shown to be on or near Despero's level.

Considering Cyborg Superman was able to get the best of the Source Wall, Kryptonian Technology, Apokolips Technology, and various other HIGH LEVEL FORMS of Technology with incredible ease I would say he has the clearly superior control over Technology. Tangent Superman isn't anywhere close to his level.

2. Telepathy = mind control and rape. Telekinesis = moving physical things with your mind. Making MMH a drooling husk has nothing to do with stopping Superman's heart. They're 2 different powers. It is impressive to stop his hart because he is more durable and dense inside and out, and thus it's showing that Tangent Supees can stop hearts even when the person is higher level. Even if Despero had TP defense, he doesn't have the necessary TK defense.

Telekinesis is still a mental ability; if all someone had to do to beat Despero was to telekinetically stop his heart I feel like it would've been done already. Despero's Third Eye protects him from mental assaults & mental abilities. The Third Eye was what prevented Starro from being able to control his mind. Despero also has telekinesis, it's very powerful telekinesis, and I'm 110% sure that his mental abilities will allow him to withstand Tangent Superman trying to stop his heart.

Seriously though, does Superman have some sort of really impressive telekinesis heart resistance feats that I'm not aware of? I don't see why his heart makes it a really big deal, the guy has a pretty regular anatomy [ for an alien ] it's not any more impressive that Tangent Superman was able to stop his heart for a little bit, heck it didn't even kill him.

3. Zoom and Amazo aren't fast enough to steal all the Ebony Blades. All the people holding them are as fast as Zoom and Amazo if not faster due to Kryptonian and/or Photon speed.

You've given your team powers; you haven't given them the means to fully understand their powers. There is a difference between being able to move incredibly fast & being able to react incredibly fast. When Flash lent some of his speed to Captain Cold & Mirror Master it made them sick to their stomachs, they weren't used to having such powers & abilities, they weren't conditioned. You can't just give someone a power & expect them to be able to flawlessly use it.

Professor Zoom > Photon & Kryptonians; the guy easily creates rips through space & time, much easier than other speedsters.

I'm also going to lambast your usage of Ultimate Taskmaster. The guy was in a battle against Deathstroke and the majority of people were voting for Deathstroke. He doesn't have any truly impressive showings that will allow him to use the energies that you're attempting to give him. He hasn't shown the capacity to absorb THAT MUCH energy or use his powers to 100% effectiveness. People were comparing his abilities to Sebastian Shaw but were claiming that he has to have a sort of upper limit.

Who is the most powerful being that Ultimate Taskmaster has replicated, because like I said, I've seen that he was beaten by Cloak...

4. Despero beat 4-5 Justice Leaguers at best, so they had to BFR him. He never faced 2 million and they didn't all have Kryptonian speed and magic claws that cut him as well as TK to stop his heart or mind and super strength.

He wasn't BFR'd in that fight. I was telling you that Despero hasn't been bested in Physical Combat by his foes [ except for Starro the Conqueror; but then we learn that Despero was faking it ] and that nobody on your team has really shown the ability to put him down.

So what if Vixen has "magic claws" you posted ONE panel from that fight that showed her cutting him, Despero's healing factor can easily get through that. If you're implying that all 2 million of your team [ who are going to be dead because you haven't shown any ability to withstand or surpass Despero's telepathy nor defeat Cyborg Superman's Technomorphing ] are going to attack Despero at once then I question your battle tactics, as it's literally impossible for that many people to land an attack simultaneously.

5. Quality>Quantity. Tangent Superman's TP can turn off powers, his TK can erase people from existence and stop Superman's heart and other organs. It can sense heroes and villains from across universes and can shut down a GL ring. 2 Million of those minds>>>1 trillion of.....featless minds.

Exactly; good thing Despero has resisted both.

Explain to me, what powers has Tangent Superman turned off, he beat the will of John Stewart, big whoop. Stewart is a mediorce-high level Green Lantern without any real impressive feats of resistance; hell, Cyborg Superman almost turned the dude into an Alpha Lantern.

What people has he erased from existence? Anyone of my team's caliber? If I was using Batman in this debate and claimed that there was a fight in which Batman beat 50 thugs in H2H combat I wouldn't claim that he could beat 50 Tangent Supermen because he hasn't done anything on that level. Tangent Superman sounds impressive at first, but when you truly look at what he's done it's pretty lame & low showing.

2 Million of those minds vs 100's of Trillions of Starro's. Starro had the combined might of 9 Galaxies working against Despero. If we do the math 100,000,000,000,000/2,000,000 = 500,000,000. Despero is resisting 500 Million more times the amount of minds in his battle against Starro than he is here. Tangent Superman may be able to TRACK people across Universes but his telepathic feats don't land him anywhere more impressive or even close to Starro; who was able to effortlessly enslave beings with INCREDIBLE telepathic resistance.

If we're talking featless then I'm gonna just look at your team for a little while... *COUGH* ULTIMATE TASKMASTER & TANGENT SUPERMAN *COUGH*.

6. Tangent Supes can turn off powers and can spawn random things. Cyborg Supes, Zoom, etc. will all have their powers shut off nd blocked in a similar way with 2 million clones there.

He hasn't shut off the powers of anyone significant or close to the level of my team. Please call my character Professor Zoom as he & Zoom are very different and we don't want voters to get confused.

Your clones are such a small number that they don't even matter, get 500,000,000 more and then we'll talk. Maybe.

7. Everyone on your team gets heart and/or brain stopped with TK. Then Cyborg Supes gets put down with TP

TK is still a mental/psionic energy. Despero's Third Eye protects himself from attacks of that sort; I've explained this.

Nobody on my team is getting put down with TK, TP, or anything of that type.

8. Vibranium has taken attacks from Stardust, Hulk,, Iron Man, Energy that can supposedly put down Thor, and been fine. Iron Fist is literally a special case because of chi and only chi. You don't have chi, you don't get that special case.

SO.... does Red Skull have Chi now...?

The hot headed Nazi was able to tear apart Black Panthers mesh armor in a physical H2H fight. Red Skull does not have Chi. Iron Fist is not a "special case". Good try.

I look forward to countering everything you say in whatever you post next, good luck ^_^

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1. That is complete and utter garbage and ridiculousness. John Stewart has no impressive will feats? Come again?

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Scan 1. Was near death, got to Oa on willpower alone (subconsciously)

Scan 2. Wipes out Braniac's nanotech, memories of him, and his mind control

Scan 3. EXCEEDS THE ABILITIES OF THE RING! Yeah he does that. By making a solar system. But he doesn't have willpower feats. Nope.

Scan 4. Makes marines to fight a PLANET of Black Lanterns and holds them off

Scan 5. Easily traps and incapacitates Martian Manhunter. Also later blocked a Supernova.

2. Ultra Humanite sucked out all the power from a world of Superhumans. That's very Despero level. If not higher. And Tangent Supes beat and mindwiped him.

3. Despero's third eye has only shown to gift him high level telepathy and things having to do with mental assaults. Telekinesis is physical. Show his third eye protecting him from TK and we can talk. Until then, he's crushed/has his heart stopped/his brain stopped. And....who exactly has Despero faced that should've stopped his heart and is ruthless enough to do so? No one that's who.

4. No. My team was granted Tangent Superman's powers. Guess what comes with that? His hyper intelligence. They understand their abilities just fine.

5. People can claim things but he has no upper limit so far. Cloak trapped him. Nothing to do with this fight.

6. Vixen's claws drew blood at approximately say 30 m/s or however fast she hit. Now it's hitting at lightspeed+ and with the planetary strength of a Kryptonian (not to mention the enhancement she adds to it AND the enhancement by the Steel suits). That's ground for complete decapitation as it's over 10 million times faster and over 6 sextillion times stronger (she wasn't using any super strength when she drew blood, now she's planetary).

Despero's going down to one of these clones/Vixens/ Ultimate Taskmasters. Nonetheless 2 million of them speedblitzing at FTL speeds constantly one after another.

And Vixen alone fought Despero and I don't remember her being TP'd. with Tangent Superman's TP defenses as well as those built onto the suit (look at prep, absorbs psionic energy), he's not doing anything.

7. Tangent Supes turned off the will of the Green Lanter with arguably the most will who created a solar system and exceeded the capabilities of the ring itself. He also turned off that one girl's forcefield and randomly spawned fire on her. That's high level TK and TP. Clearly.

8. Prove it. Show the 3rd eye protecting against TK. And then show how you counter the FTL magic claws that cut you at slow speeds with 0 strength behind them.

9. Red Skull? Really? And that's not PIS to you at all? You know BP doesn't always wear his vibranium right? You also know that Iron Man, Namor, Hulk, Heralds of Galactus, Doom, and more have failed to damage the suit in such way right? So using the special chi case and a complete PIS (BP should stomp Red Skull in 2 moves) low showing is tasteless. I'm sure I can dig up low showings for your guys, but you don't see me doing that do you?

Hm.....maybe...

But seriously, recap again:

  • Technomorphing by definition is psionic. Cyborg Supes has willpower to take over a lot of tech, but John Stewart himself has overtaken the GL ring with his willpower (something Cyborg Supes didn't do) and made a solar system. And Tangent Supes overpowered his will. We now have prep, absorbance of psionic energy, AND 2 million people with Tangent Supes's powers
  • Amazo is EMP'd. Prof. Zoom isn't fast enough to disarm people who all have Supes's speed (if not more since Dog>Human in speed and they're using ENHANCED Krypto) as well as Photon's multiple FTL speed and Tangent Supes powers (easily dealt with blitzes from Supes and Flash). Both are TK crushed and shut down.
  • Despero is blocked by Tangent Supes's powers+ the Steel suits. He is decapitated and mangled by the magic claws with FTL speed and planet+ strength. He is crushed/shut down by TK as well.
  • My 2 million clones easily crush/shut down your team with TK and blitz them with FTL speed, planet+ strength, and (1 million of them) can do thousands of attacks at that speed or even attacks that hurt skyfathers. Not to mention extradimensional energy absorption and blinding your team with our attacks.
  • Vibranium is not easily broken. Stop lowballing/using PIS.
  • We easily win with numbers and superior powers.

http://psi.wikia.com/wiki/Technokinesis

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanokinesis

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@darkraiden: Bahahahahah, oh my gosh, oh dear, alright.

TTBA Counters/Debunks/Dominates

I'll take these one by one, I'll be ready for voting pretty soon because you've done nothing to show me or even make me think that your team could overcome the strength of my own.

1. That is complete and utter garbage and ridiculousness. John Stewart has no impressive will feats? Come again?

Putting words in my mouth is quite incredible & I'm glad to see you doing that. Actually if you look at what I said it was more like "John Stewart isn't the most powerful Green Lantern" & that it honestly wasn't that impressive. Cyborg Superman could've done the exact same thing via Technomorphing via taking control of John's Ring & then draining it or using it against him, that's also against his will but I'm not going around flaunting that.

Your Tangent Superman is close to being truly featless for the claims you're making here.

His best feats are:

  • Stopping Superman's Heart for a short period of time [ I don't see why a Kryptonian Heart is any more powerful than a normal heart; maybe you could actually try explaining it for once. Or give some of Superman's Heart TK Resistance feats. ]
  • Preventing John Stewart from using his Lantern Ring
  • Beating Ultra Humanite in a Mental Battle
  • Sensing Hal Jordan in another Universe

You're making so many assumptions here & your argument has been incredibly flimsy the entire way through. Just because he was able to stop Superman's Heart for a short period of time does not mean that he is going to be able to effortlessly shut down the entirety of my team, especially when my team is protected with the telepathic/telekinetic link of Despero; that lovely Tyrant who is blocking at your TP/TK attempts.

2. Ultra Humanite sucked out all the power from a world of Superhumans. That's very Despero level. If not higher. And Tangent Supes beat and mindwiped him.

Ultra Humanite sent out a massive EMP that caused a blackout; he did not "suck out all the power". Tangent Superman WEAKENED him & then help him away in some secret location before calling upon him for help to fight against the Justice League & Earth 9's heroes.

Despero is the ruler of a planet & was able to hold his own against Starro the Conqueror who is more impressive than anyone on your team, and a good majority of my own team. Starro used the combined might of the minds of the 9 galaxies he was ruling over when he attacked Despero; yet he still couldn't best Despero in mental combat [ TP or TK ].

Your best Tangent Superman TK feat AGAINST a being is either restraining John Stewart or stopping the heart of Superman [ yet not killing him ] which is nowhere close to the level of power Despero is packing/able to defend himself against.

3. Despero's third eye has only shown to gift him high level telepathy and things having to do with mental assaults. Telekinesis is physical. Show his third eye protecting him from TK and we can talk. Until then, he's crushed/has his heart stopped/his brain stopped. And....who exactly has Despero faced that should've stopped his heart and is ruthless enough to do so? No one that's who.

Despero's third eye has shown him to be able to resist the mind probing and mental powers of Starro the Conqueror who at the time had the combined power of 9 Galaxies & 100's of Trillions of minds.

Would you like me to do math again, because clearly you're not understand how much Despero was resisting in that instance.

100,000,000,000,000 is 100 Trillion; the scan stated 100's of Trillions of minds.

You've got 2,000,000; or two million.

It would take 50,000,000; or fifty million times the strength you currently have in order to surpass the defenses of Despero. Now this is me using 100 Trillion, not hundreds.

Let's say it was 300,000,000,000,000; three hundred trillion [ it is several "hundreds" of trillions & might be the more realistic number ] then you're going to need 150,000,000; or one hundred & fifty million more of your armies. Not 150,000,000 more clones, 150,000,000 more battalions of 2 million clones.

Considering that nobody else was able to resist Starro's TP whenever Starro latched onto people or mentally assaulted them I'd say that Despero has QUITE the resume to defend himself against your Tangent Supermen/hybrid clone army.

J'onn J'onnz; Martian Manhunter, was easily taken over by Starro, heck EVERYONE in the DCU was. One of the mind controlling starfish landed on Despero and he blasted it away, no problem. His resistance against PSYCHIC attacks [ both the mental telepathy & physical telekinesis ] is incredible.

If you can show me a scan of Despero falling prey to telekinesis or being beaten in mental combat, then please do so. If you're so sure that your 2 Million Tangent Supermen are even a match for Despero mentally then show me.

4. No. My team was granted Tangent Superman's powers. Guess what comes with that? His hyper intelligence. They understand their abilities just fine.

Mmkay. At least you've finally justified something you've said.

5. People can claim things but he has no upper limit so far. Cloak trapped him. Nothing to do with this fight.

What is the most powerful being that Ultimate Taskmaster has absorbed/replicated. If Cloak was able to trap him why wasn't he able to absorb Cloak's abilities & then free himself?

People pit Ultimate Taskmaster against Street Level & Street Level (+) Characters from what I've seen. You've got some very low tier characters for a High Tier tournament and you're vastly overrating the abilities of Ultimate Taskmaster & have provided neither myself or the voters with ANY reason to believe that he can absorb the abilities you're claiming he can.

6. Vixen's claws drew blood at approximately say 30 m/s or however fast she hit. Now it's hitting at lightspeed+ and with the planetary strength of a Kryptonian (not to mention the enhancement she adds to it AND the enhancement by the Steel suits). That's ground for complete decapitation as it's over 10 million times faster and over 6 sextillion times stronger (she wasn't using any super strength when she drew blood, now she's planetary).

So Vixen can draw blood; cool. All of my team is on the same level of strength that your team is, as my team is made up of team busters.

I don't see why you keep bringing up the fact that you'll have the effects of the Steel suits working for you, you have given literally no defense against them & don't actually have any defense against the abilities of Cyborg Superman. He's the most powerful Technomorph in the entirety of the DCU, the guy was able to take control of the Source Wall which is the wall between everyone & everything and the source of everyone and everything. If you're telling me that your team is SOMEHOW going to build something that is BEYOND that level of tech then I'd love to see it.

Show me Steels best creation, show me Black Panther's best creation, show me Tangent Superman's best creation. Your claiming that because you have 3 geniuses; one who can detect things in other universes, that you'll be able to create some sort of master device. During my prep I actually wrote down things my team has BEEN SHOWN TO DO. You're pulling a lot of your prep out of thin air and trying to force feed me into believing it without actually showing that your team is capable.

Also; if your team does SOMEHOW land a finger on Despero his healing factor is incredible, he can project his consciousness into other bodies & possess them, so if his body becomes too damaged he'll just possess one of yours and keep body jumping until everyone on your team is dead.

If you don't think his possession will work then he's also recovered from being decapitated; he regrew his entire body. There was also that lovely time in which his incredibly angry consciousness WILLED himself a new body because he hated the Justice League so much & wanted to go kick the snot out of them.

Despero's going down to one of these clones/Vixens/ Ultimate Taskmasters. Nonetheless 2 million of them speedblitzing at FTL speeds constantly one after another.

Cute; but he isn't. Your team can't simultaneously all focus on this one target when you're fighting against Cyborg Superman x 10 [ I have 10 Cyborg Superman bodies here ] along with Brainiac 8 who is now in a Cyborg Superman body [ make that 11 ] that can all control technology masterfully. Not while Professor Zoom is phasing through your team no problem; not while Amazo is copying all of your abilities & using them against you. Not while Etrigan is blasting everyone on your team into oblivion with Hellfire. Not while my Manhunters are converting your team members into more Manhunters. Not while my Alpha Lanterns are eliminating any surviving members of your team with their Supercharged Highmaster.

Your team is a jumbled mess that can't hold a fist to my own.

And Vixen alone fought Despero and I don't remember her being TP'd. with Tangent Superman's TP defenses as well as those built onto the suit (look at prep, absorbs psionic energy), he's not doing anything.

You posted a SINGLE SCAN of her slashing Despero WITH other people around to have her back. You didn't show her DEFEATING Despero. Vixen isn't close to Despero's level & neither is Tangent Superman. The suit is being used against you but you seem to keep overlooking that because you think if your ignorant enough that your prep can actually happen.

Just because I say that I've made something "hack-proof" doesn't mean I have; you have to show it. You don't have the brainpower to do so and nobody on your team has displayed the ability to build anything near the level of Cyborg Superman's creation/technmorphing abilities.

7. Tangent Supes turned off the will of the Green Lanter with arguably the most will who created a solar system and exceeded the capabilities of the ring itself. He also turned off that one girl's forcefield and randomly spawned fire on her. That's high level TK and TP. Clearly.

Oh wow, good job Tangent Superman you were able to hold a SINGLE GREEN LANTERN still with your TK & Telepathy. If you're going to argue that John Stewart is one of the most powerful Green Lanterns then you're very mistaken. Typically when compared with other popular Lanterns such as Kyle or Hal he gets placed near the rear with Gardner.

Cyborg Superman can technically exceed the capabilities of the ring too; it's technology & he can modify & upgrade it. Heck the Highmaster that he made allowed Hal & Arisia to amplify the potential of their rings 100x.

Oh, fantastic, you're going to talk about me using "featless" characters as a reference [ Starro the Conqueror is NOT featless; heck I almost had him on my team but he was WAY over the Tournament limits ] and now you're using an unnamed girl with a random powersuit as a powerful TP/TK feat.

Tangent Superman is seriously lacking in the feat department and you're using a lot of assumptions about how powerful he truly is.

8. Prove it. Show the 3rd eye protecting against TK. And then show how you counter the FTL magic claws that cut you at slow speeds with 0 strength behind them.

Despero is skilled in both TP & TK; his Third Eye assists him with both fields. Despero can counter the claws by going into his astral form & possessing members of your team & continuously switching bodies every time the new body is about to be destroyed.

Despero's healing factor allowed him to go from a matterless consciousness to a full powered Despero because of the sheer will & hatred he was filled with. Despero literally made himself a new body out of nothing because he can.

9. Red Skull? Really? And that's not PIS to you at all? You know BP doesn't always wear his vibranium right? You also know that Iron Man, Namor, Hulk, Heralds of Galactus, Doom, and more have failed to damage the suit in such way right? So using the special chi case and a complete PIS (BP should stomp Red Skull in 2 moves) low showing is tasteless. I'm sure I can dig up low showings for your guys, but you don't see me doing that do you?

Is it PIS? Red Skull seems to be on BP's level when it comes to tournaments. Considering I've seen BP used in STREET LEVEL TOURNAMENTS his Vibranium suit really can't be ALL that crazy.

I've shown you two different instances in which Street Level characters have busted his armor, it's not impossible to do. If you're claiming that the ONLY way to damage Vibranium is through "special chi" then why wouldn't Danny be able to bust Captain America's shield with his punches, it's made out of Vibranium too!

No; what we have here is a design flaw in BP's armor that you're refusing to accept. If you cut the armor in a certain way [ it is a MESH ] then it will be busted & broken. Vibranium is not an end all/be all in this situation and you'd be insane if you thought the equipment from a Street Level character would be enough to survive in this tournament.

I didn't even show a fight in which BP lost the fight, I was just showing his armor getting busted in an H2H fight; feel free to call me tasteless. This entire debate against you has felt a bit tasteless, next time I go against you I'll make sure to say that my team makes 100000's of Infinity Gauntlets because they're smart and everything is hack proof and bullet proof and damage proof and energy proof and telepathy proof and lose proof because that's what you've been trying to do here.

Might be a tad hyperbolic here, but you get the point. I hope.

Technomorphing by definition is psionic. Cyborg Supes has willpower to take over a lot of tech, but John Stewart himself has overtaken the GL ring with his willpower (something Cyborg Supes didn't do) and made a solar system. And Tangent Supes overpowered his will. We now have prep, absorbance of psionic energy, AND 2 million people with Tangent Supes's powers

Technomorping is NOT technopathy. Do not send me to the most random & uncredited wiki about technopathy claiming it is the same as technmorphing.

Are you telling me that Cyborg Superman taking control of the Source Wall is less impressive than a Green Lantern ring? You're hilariously mistaken. The Source Wall was able to prevent God Level characters from entering the Source and Cyborg Superman was able to control it. Cyborg Superman can create Alpha Lanterns; the shock troopers of the Lantern Corps.

Hell, in his fight against Ganthet he had upgraded himself to house a power battery that drained the Guardian's ring power.

Sure looks like Cyborg Superman took control of that Ring & drained it pretty fast.

Tangent Superman doesn't show any sort of Techomorphing, he has Technopathy. They are different & I've explained the differences.

Amazo is EMP'd. Prof. Zoom isn't fast enough to disarm people who all have Supes's speed (if not more since Dog>Human in speed and they're using ENHANCED Krypto) as well as Photon's multiple FTL speed and Tangent Supes powers (easily dealt with blitzes from Supes and Flash). Both are TK crushed and shut down.

Amazo goes intangible and avoids the EMP; I've showed the scans TWICE at this point. You are going to win an award for being the most ignorant and not reading/acknowledging ANYTHING I've posted/said. PROFESSOR Zoom [ seriously, you don't want the voters to think I'm using Zoom, he's even better ] easily has the speed to surpass Superman in speed.

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Professor Zoom/Eobard Thawne is easily on the level of Barry Allen [ the Flash pictured above ] and he quickly displayed that he was much faster than Superman.

If you're going to come in here and tell me that Krypto is faster than Superman and The Flash because he is a dog and dogs are traditionally faster than humans then I might die of laughter before this debate is over. What kind of logic are you even trying to display here.

It doesn't matter if they have Photon's speed, you haven't shown her doing anything significant. Professor Zoom opened up a hole in the space/time stream in order to time travel in the short span of a jog. He easily outclasses anyone on your team in terms of Speed & so does Wally West who Amazo has copied.

Tangent Superman abilities are nothing compared to Despero; and Despero is protecting my team. GOODLUCK WITH THAT ONE ;)

Despero is blocked by Tangent Supes's powers+ the Steel suits. He is decapitated and mangled by the magic claws with FTL speed and planet+ strength. He is crushed/shut down by TK as well.

You have lost every single bit of Technology the moment you stepped into battle with Cyborg Superman. You stand no chance against his Technomorphing, nobody does.

Despero is not blocked by Tangent Superman's powers because Tangent Superman isn't close to Starro's level and never will be. Despero overpowers every single member of your team in the TK/TP front.

If Despero is SOMEHOW injured his healing factor can cover it, or he can possess someone else on your team for kicks. All of his powers & abilities come into the new body with him.

My 2 million clones easily crush/shut down your team with TK and blitz them with FTL speed, planet+ strength, and (1 million of them) can do thousands of attacks at that speed or even attacks that hurt skyfathers. Not to mention extradimensional energy absorption and blinding your team with our attacks.

Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. You haven't shown anything close to Starro/Despero level in terms of TP/TK.

Show your team hurting Skyfathers, then show that being relevant in this debate. You've been very good at posting scans with little to no meaning this entire debate.

Vibranium is not easily broken. Stop lowballing/using PIS

So I guess showing two legitimate instances in which BP's Street Level gear was busted by another Street Level character is PIS. I guess using HT characters against your Street Level characters is going to be a bad day for me then right? Heck, BP IS GONNA SOLO MY ENTIRE TEAM BECAUSE NOTHING CAN EVER GET PAST VIBRANIUM EVER AND HE PUT SILVER SURFER IN A ARM BAR/HEAD LOCK WOAH.

Sorry, had to make myself laugh again.

We easily win with numbers and superior powers.

You lose due to your poorly thought out team construction & prep usage. Along with your inability to provide sutable substance to your debate. You have several characters who are much less powerful than you claim them to be and have done nothing to prove otherwise. I even doubt that Vixen can truly clone herself as much as you're claiming she can as the ONE scan you've ever shown of it [ in a different debate where you used this SAME plan ] was when Animal man did it. Once.

Once.

You have no chance of defeating my team that was actually well constructed and covered all of my bases. Your numbers are insignificant compared to the numbers my team has faced in the past alone; much less working together. I'm sorry, but you're out of your league, bud.

I'm ready for voting whenever you are because I'm getting sick and tired of repeating myself and I'm sure you're getting a bit tired of posting absurd claims in an attempt to beat my team.

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@highaccuser: I don't even get a closing argument?

The debates kind of going in circles and you had some annoying hate on your side. I really don't want that.

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@highaccuser:

1. He went first, so I should at least get to end

2. I have no hate on my side. Just pointing out the lowballing he's doing. Is that a crime now?

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@highaccuser:

1. He went first, so I should at least get to end

2. I have no hate on my side. Just pointing out the lowballing he's doing. Is that a crime now?

Look do you have any major game-changing points to make?

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@highaccuser: I need to defend myself and present a closing summary and argument of course.

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@darkraiden: Alright fine. Seems fair enough. No more posts after that though.

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@thetruebarryallen: Darkraiden has a closing post, but mostly just because you had the first one. Shouldn't change much and certainly not my vote.

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TTBA gets my vote.

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What @dondave said

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@thetruebarryallen:

1. You said stopping John Stewart wasn't impressive. I showed why it was. He has one of the best feats for any Green Lantern ever. And Tangent Supes easily stopped that. Casually. You say Cyborg Supes can do the same (not exactly, draining =\= completely stopping from working) but that would just mean I have 2 million people on Cyborg Supes's level.

His best feats are:

  • Stopping Superman's heart, was going to kill him but was interrupted
  • Easily stopping Superman's blitz and strength with TK. Also overpowered him with it
  • Was able to shut off GL ring and sense energy from universes away
  • Was able to tear apart Ultra-Humanite and mindwipe him
  • Powered a city (not took control, powered) on his powers with ease
  • Gave himself powers
  • TP'd with machines

2. No proof of Despero's TK feats. You literally haven't named one. Certainly not one on Tangent Supes's level where he stopped Planet busters with ease, and CERTAINLY not as powerful as 2 million Tangent Supermen

3. I've already been over this. Quality>Quantity. Starro has trillions of minds that have no feats by themselves. I have 2 million that have high level feats. One powerful telepath (Prof. X, Martian Manhunter) have been shown to have 1 mind that can overpower billions. So I have 2 million of those level of minds. Which is waaaaay higher than trillions. You'e ignoring any and all context and the power of the minds being used. You wouldn't say that 2 million martian manhunters couldn't beat Despero would you?

4. Cloak's abilities trap you in a dimension. That's it. He himself couldn't escape from it if he was somehow trapped in it. They used someone who's powers are useless against themselves. That's why it worked. This same dimension held Thanos and Doom for times in 616 and IIRC Ultimate Cloak is more powerful/used.

5. Steel's best creation is his suit that allows a normal human to compete with Supes. That or the pocket dimension he created (on accident), also sonic gun that can affects, the thing that turns thoughts into data that he made in seconds, the other thing he made to affect psychic form of Eradicator. A lot that will work perfectly here.

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Black Panther built something to trap and beat down Mephisto. Also his power cosmic absorber, his thing to stop Storm's powers, rendered all vibranium inert in wakanda and outsmarted doom, thing to stop Magnetos' powers (in his mind)

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Tangent Supes gave himself and his wife those nifty powers and has hyper intelligence.

6. Can't possess my team. Remember our suits absorb psionic energy and we all have vast psionic powers ourselves.

7. They don't have to hit him at once, just one after another (he won't survive after the first 5 or so, but w/e). Cyborg Supes bodies are still easily crushed by TK and enhanced kryptonian strength+Steel upgrades. Not to mention EMPs, Sonic guns that affect ghosts, the bubble guns, and disorientation agents. Braniac gets the same.

Amazo will be dispatched by EMPs. If he phases, we can still hit him with the sonic gun or just wait for him to become tangible to hit him with one. He has to become tangible to effect my team. Professor Zoom is facing 2 million people near his speed with super senses and Super suits from Steel that enhance reflexes and strength.

Superman tagging Prof. Zoom (and Photon's much faster than Supes)

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8. We have Tangent Superman powers which have blocked the willpower of someone who's will exceeds a Green Lantern Ring itself. We have Steel who has a lot of experience blocking psionic powers and affecting psionic forms (which is what Cyborg Supes uses and what he is. Psionic. Just to technology instead), we have Black Panther who blocked Mephisto's powers. A skyfather+ level being who can reality warp. We have done things on that level. You just ignore it.

9. Despero can't possess us, already addressed that. His consciousness can be suppressed by 2 million powerful minds, and he can simply be trapped or shut down.

10. Vibranium has survived Hulk, Iron Man, Namor, Hulk again, Iron Man again, Doom, Heralds like Stardust, and more. You show two scans, one being a special case, and now THAT's the norm? Yeah sure.

11. Supes has tagged Prof. Zoom, already showed that. I showed Photon doing thousands of attacks at light speed, showed her hurting Zeus (you know...multi-galaxy durability Zeus?) and absorbing extradimensional energy ( you know...the thing Prof. Zoom uses). And her attacks blinded Thor from hundreds of yards away on accident. Her trying to blind you would end up even worse for your team.

12. Tangent Supes is on Despero's level with TP and far above it with TK. 2 Million+ of him is even better. It's complete domination.

13. One of those links were directly from technomorphing from DC's own database/wiki. The other is so we have multiple sources. technomorphing isn't a real word so I can't exactly define it in a dictionary, but superpower wikis have it as psionic controlling machines. We can block and absorb psionic energy and we will. cyborg Supes gets shut down.

14. I'm not sure why you're acting like Despero won't get hurt by claws that have already hurt him and the freaking Ebony blade. Vixen can clone cause Animal Man used the abilities of a bacteria to clone himself several times to keep someone busy (who had isolated their other powers). All I need to know is how that works in real life, and in real life, they can clone infinitely only limited by time.

15. Again, 2 low ball showings don't define what someone can do. That's like saying that Supergirl (two different ones) can beat Despero or something.

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Recap:

  • Technomorphing, according to DC, is psionic. Thus we can block it.
  • We have 2 million people with FTL speed, and planetary level strength and planet+++ level TK and very powerful Tp. Not to mention Suit powerups and 1 million of them have Ebony Blades and Photon's powers.
  • Amazo gets hounded and EMP'd before he can do anything.
  • 2 Million people that can all tag and beat Prof. Zoom plus 1 million and 2 who can absorb his energy from his body (Photon powers)
  • Despero's TP gets blocked by 2 million minds of powerfful Tpers who took out Ultra Humanite
  • Everyone on your team is blitzed with Ebony Blades/Magic clws and strength and speed and is crushed with TK
  • Don't forget Steel's psionic tech (affects psionic forms)
  • Everyone has vast psionic defenses regardless due to Tangent Supes's mind AND psionic absorption armor and psionic dampeners for said armor
  • We win due to numbers, fire power, and counters/prep against your team.

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#35 HigorM  Moderator

siding with TTBA. Superior team, strategy and debate.

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TTBA, although I do think you were a bit too disrespectful.

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@darkbeam: @ratava: @wardemon32: @higorm: Thanks for the votes; I do apologize for how heated the debate got at times. Just was a tad bit frustrated at some of the claims/assumptions that were being made on my opponent's side.

Didn't mean to belittle or hurt anyone's feelings ^_^

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TTBA - 7

  1. Dondave
  2. Reaverlation
  3. Highaccuser
  4. Darkbeam
  5. Ratava
  6. Wardemon32
  7. Higorm

Darkraiden - 0

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@darkbeam said:

@wardemon32: He should be called the true jerk.

Hey, I apologized. I admit I was being quite the jerkface in some of my posts; however, I was getting flustered which is my own fault. No need for even more name-calling here.

This same thing happened to me during my first High Tier Tournament in which my team chemistry was terrible & my strategy wasn't well thought out. Dark Raiden would be able to have damaged my team more if his team covered more bases & he had more of a set plan with his prep that he could prove his team to be capable of.

It's also annoying to have to repeat things several times when you've posted scans of it beforehand; yet the opponent fails to acknowledge it [ the example here being Amazo going intangible, it was shown twice & he kept saying that Amazo would fall prey to the IMP ]

While I may have been a jerk, sometimes you've gotta call someone out on what they're claiming their team can do. You can't just let everything slide.

Anywho. Like I said, sorry about this. It's the most heated debate I've ever had on the Vine & 99.9% of my other debates didn't get like this; I've got them all linked in a blog post if you think I'm THAT much of a jerkface. I'm generally quite a nice person, I'm just super competitive.

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#43  Edited By DarkRaiden

Hmm I appear to be losing. Strange. I certainly had the better strategy and more powerful team. More proof, more evidence, etc. But perhaps...that is WHY I am losing ohohoho!!

TTBA, they should call you Lupin the 3rd cause you stole that one son!

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*pats @darkraiden's delicate head* A-ha, you go ahead and keep thinking that dearie ^-^ ~♡

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@highaccuser: Well alrighty, cool!

We're still doing that thing where we can take 1 member from the enemy team & change out; right?

If so I'd like to get rid of Brainiac 8 & grab Tangent Superman.

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@highaccuser: Well alrighty, cool!

We're still doing that thing where we can take 1 member from the enemy team & change out; right?

If so I'd like to get rid of Brainiac 8 & grab Tangent Superman.

...you just fixed the flaw with that plan. I didn't mean it to be switching out and NWO advised me against teams too large, plus it conflicted with the numbers. Switching would work perfectly. Unfortunately it's much too late now.

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@highaccuser: Hahahaha, no biggie, Brainiac 8 works just fine, just is currently the "weak link" of my team.

Glad I was able to solve your problem though; if you ever do a tournament like this in the future you can do the switching thing!

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