How many Outriders can MCU Captain America fight before being overwhelmed?

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#1 Posted by Oraculi (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Infinite waves of one at a time (so basically a gauntlet but it's the same enemy that he keeps fighting until he loses)

Round 2: All at once

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#2 Posted by imsososorry (776 posts) - - Show Bio

Round1: a lot

Round2: 5

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#3 Posted by Oraculi (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

Round1: a lot

Round2: 5

I think maybe for round 1 he'd stop at wave 80 or 60.

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#4 Edited by imsososorry (776 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi: I’m confused. So like for round 1 it starts off with one alien then 2, 3 and so on?

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#5 Posted by Oraculi (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

@imsososorry: Round One is basically

Wave 1: One Outrider

Wave 2: One Outrider

So on and so forth the difference being Cap does not heal or regain lost stamina after each wave.

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#6 Posted by death4bunnies (2468 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

Round 1: for 12 hours (he can do this all day, but eventually night finds us all)

Round 2: 10-20(hes injured at like 15 then kills a few more while dying)

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#7 Posted by death4bunnies (2468 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

Can you make a thread, same conditions, for Spiderman?

Or do you mind if I do?

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#8 Posted by Oraculi (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

@death4bunnies: I'm find if you do it.

Sorry for late reply, I was doing homework lol

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#9 Posted by war of light_2814 (2844 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on what kind of plot armor he's wearing.

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#10 Edited by Thoromdil (1900 posts) - - Show Bio

R1:

- First 5-10 outsiders he probably one shots without too much trouble

- Next 10 or so he starts actually fighting, to catch his breath.

- He cen keep fighting and eventually beating them for a long time. When he reaches 40th-50th he'll be probably barely standing from minor wounds, lose of blood and general exhaustion.

- Anywhere from 50-80 he eventually gives up and loses counciosness.

R2: Anywhere from 8-12 should be enough to overwhelm him

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#11 Posted by buildhare (8819 posts) - - Show Bio

One had him in the end in the Wakanda battle, he can take a handful but any estimate over a couple of minutes in R1 is ridiculous, he gets beaten quickly in R2.

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#12 Edited by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on what kind of plot armor he's wearing.

This. They never used their "Hulkbuster cutting" claws against Cap for some reason they were just pulling and pushing him around. So depends on plot armor.

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#13 Posted by graham_savion (422 posts) - - Show Bio

R1 - 20

R2 - 5

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#14 Posted by Richubs (6546 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2:

Actually the Hulkbuster cutting claws is what was stupid and I always disregard that.

Seriously? We have 5 of thed taking down Hulkbuster AND cutting it?

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#15 Posted by ANTHP2000 (29640 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't imagine him dropping more than 10-15 solo in either round.

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#16 Posted by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: Their claws don't have anti-feats right? I don't think them cutting Hulkbuster is stupid. At least not that much.

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#17 Posted by cokirules (120 posts) - - Show Bio

BP would get pverwhelmed by 6-7 Cap should do about 3-5 same time and lose

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#18 Posted by WolverineBatmanFTW (1819 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: At least 20-30

R2: Depends on the location. If it's a confined space such as an elevator, I see him fighting no more than 2 or 3 at once, but if it's an open space such as a field, he could take like 6-7 simultaneously.

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#19 Posted by Richubs (6546 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2:

It won't make any logical sense.

They literally swarm Captain and are apparantly attacking him but if they're not using the claws then what are they even doing?

It just sounds ridiculous that they can cut through Hulkbuster and use their claws readily while they don't attack Captian with the claws even once when he's down and unable to fight. One slash from the claws would literally kill anyone in the whole Wakanda army and any of the Super Soldiers barring Black Panther.

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#20 Edited by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: On-screen they never used their claws against Cap... even when 3 of the got a hold of Cap they were just pulling and pushing him lmao. Watch it in slow mo i saw one try to bite Cap (but their bites were doing nothing to Hulkbuster except causing tiny sparks so Cap's bulletproof suit may save him) but the same one that bit him just grabbed his leg and didn't use claws either. Lord Russos protect Cap from the evil of the world. 😇🙏

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#21 Posted by arqe (895 posts) - - Show Bio

This scene is literally on the movie, he can't handle more 3 of them.

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#22 Posted by Ouroborik (4111 posts) - - Show Bio

@arqe said:

This scene is literally on the movie, he can't handle more 3 of them.

He jumped against their entire army and held his ground for several minutes.

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#23 Posted by Oraculi (6801 posts) - - Show Bio

@arqe: How many kills can he get 1v1 before falling?

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#24 Posted by mexcomics2078 (3288 posts) - - Show Bio

R1:10-15

R2:3-4

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#26 Posted by MrTrey (722 posts) - - Show Bio

A couple dozen, then 5-10 at most.

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#27 Posted by Richubs (6546 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2:

That's kind of what I'm talking about.

I am going to outright discard stuff like this because that's PIS. What else could be a better example of Plot Induced Stupidity?

They had surrounded Cap and he was down while they all swarmed him and was like that while Thor came in and not one of them used their claws? That's BS.

On top of that these creatures suddenly having clwas that can cut through Hulkbuster is also BS because that'd mean they can claw through Titanium with ease. If that was the case pretty much most of the Wakandan army would be dead.

So we can have 2 possibilities. Assume that the claws themselves were actually Hulkbuster level and that they didn't his Captian with thier claws even once while so many of them were surrounding them.

Or we can assume that them cutting Hulkbuster wasn't thought out very well and discard them taking down Hulkbuster as Banner's incompetency. I don't see 5 to 6 Captain America's together being able to push Hulk down. Outriders are far weaker and yet they could push a similar opponent with absolute ease.

The Russos wanted to build some tension and wanted stakes and did this without thinking at all.

That's one of the bugger issues with Russo directed action scenes. The power levels are all over the place.

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#28 Posted by APEX_pretador (21439 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: He can do it all day.

Round 2: somewhere between 2 to 7

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#29 Posted by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: We actually saw the possibility 1 being real. They never used claws on him. And getting pushed around has more to do with body mass than strength normally. So it doesn't prove a few outriders = HB in strength.

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#30 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2212 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: I don't wanna say he can take out over 1,000 but he was one shotting some of the Outriders in IW when it was one on one.

R2: 4 Outriders should do it.

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#32 Edited by WolverineBatmanFTW (1819 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger13x:

"You guys think that Steve won't be able to kill more than 20 outriders in round 1?"

Wtf? I said he could fight off at least 20-30 lol, what are you smoking?

That gif doesn't really support your argument at all. I doubt those hits were one-shotting, they probably got back up and came at him again. During the whole battle, he had constant help and support. from other Avengers and the Wakandan warriors. Plus, he got briefly overwhelmed by like 3 right before Thor arrived:

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#33 Posted by Richubs (6546 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2:

That and them taking down Hulkbuster is what I'm calling PIS.

They had so much time and they didn't use it once? That's stupid given they readily use it otherwise.

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#35 Posted by WolverineBatmanFTW (1819 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger13x:

But it happened, didn't it? So what's to say there won't be another resilient Outrider than can pin him whilst the others beat him down. And you clearly posted a gif of Steve fighting alongside T'Challa. Are you really going to suggest that whilst fighting side-by-side these two mutually-respectful Avengers would not have helped out one another over the course of that battle?

Steve is not fighting off 10-15 in round 2. That is more than was needed to pin down the Hulkbuster.

And please, I beg of you, don't compare Steve to the Hulkbuster suit.

"100+"

Lol, sure.

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#37 Edited by WolverineBatmanFTW (1819 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger13x:

Except maybe it's not a low showing for the armour, but rather a high showing for the Outriders. They beat down an armour, and also beat down Cap. I have given you two instances of very competent heroes on very different power levels being overwhelmed by them, but sure you can call it PIS.

And lol at him one-shotting all the other Outriders he fought.

He didn't one-shot here:

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He didn't one-shot here either:

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Show me some definitive evidence of him actually one-shotting. You've just shown a clip in which he knocks them down, and then it is cut away, so we have no way of knowing if they got back up or not. In my first GIF, it takes him at least 2 shots to even knock one down. In my second, it takes him three strikes to knock the Outrider out, and he presumably hit it once before in order to take it to the ground.

Maybe you can try giving some actually conclusive evidence to support your point (which I have done extensively)

Or, you know, you can just call me a retard.

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#39 Posted by WolverineBatmanFTW (1819 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger13x:

How about you give some evidence of Cap one-shotting? I've shown you the GIFs of when we have actually seen him fighting outriders on screen, and these gifs show that he does not always one-shot. Panther was one-shotting because he had those concussive energy blast things, which can be seen in the one GIF you posted. And when did we see other Wakandans one-shotting? And there is no way to quantify how many he took out in Wakanda. We didn't see him fighting Outriders for the majority of the scene, and we don't have a proper time-frame. He could've killed 30,100 or 1000. No way to know definitively. And on this site, we prefer to use solid, definitive evidence rather than just assuming that he killed 50 billion.

All you have done is say that you've proven me wrong despite providing no evidence, get increasingly salty and hurl insults like a small child.

Grow up.

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#40 Posted by Namebk (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverinebatmanftw: All that poster does is debate using assumptions so don't even waste your time with them.

OT:

Round 1: maybe 15-20 before tiring out

Round 2: 4-6

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#42 Posted by Cregan_Stark (5423 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 - “I can do this all day”

Round 2 - Maybe a few of them. All at once are way too many. Give him the hammer and it becomes a better showing

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#43 Posted by Eredin12 (888 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: He can do it all day.

Round 2: HE can kill 10

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#44 Posted by eri123 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: He can do it all day.

Round 2: HE can kill 10

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#45 Posted by BreakOfDawn (2553 posts) - - Show Bio

Six Outriders took down the Hulkbuster. How the hell is he even reaching that for round 2?

R1: About 20 with his shield, 100 or so with Mjolnir.

R2: 2 or 3.

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#46 Posted by jashro44 (54455 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Maybe 100? I assume he got a decent body count in the battle of Wakanda. 100 is a bit conservative I feel.
  2. 10 would overwhelm him for sure.
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#47 Posted by FinalKingThanos (2712 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverinebatmanftw: I kind of agree with you tbh it was pretty evident the only person who had zero trouble with the outriders was Thor.

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