@crunch5481: 1) You state a claim and then fail to support it. Obviously steel has better piercing resistance because it is a harder material than wood lol, that is perfectly consistent with my accurate physical explanation.
What do you mean I failed to support it? If I failed to support it why do you agree with my exemple? Some material/fabrics are more resistant to specific type of damage than other materials/fabrics.
2) I am not saying all damage is the same. I am saying that a punch and a stab are the same in that they both conduct a force exerted over an area of skin, and the ONLY difference from any objective standpoint is that the punch has a greater surface area of effect than a knife would, and therefore for a given force the punch would exert less pressure. That's just physics.
You are, in fact, saying that all damage is equal, which I think is very simplistic. Damage doesn't have the same velocity, mass, direction, etc etc. Now I do believe DC takes it to a stupid extreme with WW, but yeah, one character can be more resistant to a type of damage than another, just like a medieval chainmail was better against arrows than it was against maces.
3) Just so we are clear, you Nucleon believe that Thanos can tank a Nuke and the force of being thrust downwards to Earth from said Nuke from orbital altitude? Careful there, you're bias is showing. And here you go completely ignoring the objective truth and science of the situation. I just explained as best as I could what piercing resistance actually is and why tanking 30mm bullets was not DD's best skin durability feat. And you choose to be ignorant and ignore it in it's entirety, writing it off with an incoherent excuse that you couldn't even support in the slightest.
Yeah, I do.
4) Actually, you're wrong (and I was too for saying she didn't get a clean hit, she did at the end). Most of Diana's strikes were slashes and simply scraped Steppenwolf's metallic alien armor, but she does get a good slash at his stomach that apparently pierces the armor. You can see Steppenwolf holding his abdomen afterwards. And yes something odd is afoot, duh, its called magic. WW's sword was making direct contact with DD's skin and has the advantage of being magical, against Steppenwolf he was protected by his metal armor. This armor tanked a beating from superman without falling apart, making it even more durable than the kryptonian metal that we got to see slice through multiple buildings like butter, without damage.
A likewise strike by Thor with SB would have taken SW out of the fight. WW's damage on SW was minimal.
5) You're just speaking nonsense, one feat for her sword??? She cut a car in half easily, she cut a statue head in half easily, she did in fact pierce Steppenwolf's armor with a clean hit at the end, she cut DD's heel, she left a gash in his arm, and then she cut off DD's hand. The sword has feats. It's almost as if extremely durable alien metal armor is resistant to a sword, hmmmm that's weird it's not like sword's are bad at slashing through metal knight's armor in real life.... oh wait they suck at that. At no point was the punching strength a game changer? Superman completely dominated Steppenwolf with his strength, what do you even mean? Against the other enemies? The ones that were equally if not stronger than Superman? First of all we don't know the axe is the same material. Is Thor's metal armor made of the same metal as Stormbreaker? No, definitely not, it gets pierced all the time by blades from Loki even. Dude. Did you completely forget why his axe broke????????? Do you not remember that Superman used his freeze breath on the axe, and froze it? Do you not know that freezing metal very fast makes it brittle and easily shattered? Because that's literally exactly what happened. You have no point there whatsoever.
If Step's axe was broken by a heat/cold succession, then it isn't worth much, especially for a weapon. You really think that combination would have broken Mjolnir?
Supes wasn't strong enough to KO or even hurt SW. Parademons were. A Thor armed with SB would have made him twains. The Kryptonians's hitting power is discutable; How come they can spent hours taking turns at hitting one another witout even bruising themselves? There also something odd going on here.
Finally, we know exactly how Thor's weapons were made - we don't have to guess it like we do for SW. In his case we're just applying the (quite sound) logic that his gear was from the same shop, as they are visually in the same hues and style.
6) The MIRV's you talk about are deployed on the descent of the Nuke, and guess what, the Nuke never got to descend in BvS. Your point is moot.
My point was that the directors had absolutely no idea what they talked about, ergo all of what concerns the nuke is to be taken with a grain of salt. ICBMs don't directly hit their targets; They're vectors.
Wrong. A Nuke is not just a HE, it is not a conventional bomb. A Nuke includes dramatic radiation effects, which is devastating to life. Nukes are omni-directional yes, but they were hit point-blank. It could not have been more point-blank then that, it made direct impact with them. Nothing in the world would come out of a direct impact with a nuke, no bunker. You're completely ignoring the direct impact of the Nuke in your futile attempts to disprove the feat. The warships in Bikini Atoll were NOT close to the center of the Nuke they suffered from the wave of water caused by the Nuke and a much lesser blast wave that is present at the epicenter. Stop equating the two situations they are vastly different in significant ways.
We still see a fireball from the explosion for one, and two since they were at the epicenter of the blast they (along with the matter in the ICBM) would be the atoms that were 'worked' with by the Nuke. They would experience the energy directly. Since this ICBM was not split and was likely a Minuteman it most likely had a payload of three warheads with 170Kt each to make a total 510 Kiloton payload exploding on top of Superman and Doomsday. And yes, Zack Snyder did express his interest in having a Nuke scene, primarily because he liked showcasing power and he was taking inspiration from Frank Miller's adaptation.
Nuke are quite the same as a conventional bomb at their core. The difference is in the way to arrive there, and in the aftereffects. And yes, a bunker that you would build in your backyard can resist the direct, primary effects of a nuke. That's why people and world leaders build them. But nearly all of these bunkers won't resist a bunker-buster bomb, even if it has a lot less energy than an omnidirectional, wide-effect nuke. At Bikini Atoll, the ships were (very clearly) into the blast radius, and water is of no effect of a nuke - it's still atoms.
These heavy-hitting characters, they're like warships, or kaijus; taking them out require a focused attack with lots of mass involved.
7) Glad you agree that it is magic. Doomsday isn't a pure kryptonian, so be careful in automatically attributing the magic weakness to all kryptonians especially when the only time a pure kryptonian got exposed to magic he resisted it. Superman resisted WW's lasso of truth and that was the only time a pure kryptonian encountered magic. You're assuming Stormbreaker is magic just like WW's sword, and that is a strong assumption given the in-universe and writer explanation of 'magic' in the MCU universe. Post #93 by Flashfyr explains it nicely. There is a difference between DC magic and MCU 'magic' and to assume they are the same is a false assumption. Thus this leaves us with just Stormbreaker as a non-magical weapon. And Thor is not strong enough to generate enough pressure along the edge of SB to exceed that which was produced by a Nuke, and the subsequent forceful fall from orbit. A fall from orbit alone, produces more pressure on the body than Thor could every hope to produce with Stormbreaker.
Well, yes, Stormbreaker is magic. It's got enchantments like Mjolnir have, that Odin placed. The debate we're having has taken place, in the Avengers' AoU party when different Avengers tried to lift the hammer; Stark offered the tech possibility, that Thor dismissed.
WW's sword, we can only suppose it is magic, since one of them - the GodKiller - was being little more than a prop.
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