How many Full Power Stormbreaker Swing from Prime Thor to decapitate Post-Nukes Doomsday?

Not going to tag everyone 1by1 but Wonder Woman was able to hit Steppenwolf 3 times. ONLY THREE TIMES.

Her first hit was to his boots while hanging from a wall with one hand and trying to hit him with her other hand. It was hardly a "hit" for that matter.

Her 2nd hit on him was a retaliation, she dodged him and swing his sword while turning and hit his boots again.

Her 3rd and only real swing at him literally cut his armor and him. His blood splattered all over the place. If you can't see it, go slow-motion or get a better monitor or tv.

LOL at Parademon teeth. He was holding his stomach where Wonder Woman cut him open.

1st parademon that attacked him sent flying into oblivion, 2nd one tried to sneak from behind and pushed back with elbow. 3rd one rushed in clawed his face and then tacked him when Steppenwolf pushed it away. 4th one just bullrushed him and 5th one attacked from behind and bit his neck. One of them ( 2nd one ) attacked him again 4th or 5th cant remember and i won't bother checking it right now.

So from which body part of yours produce a thought they bit him or clawed him through his armor ?

There is nothing suggest that Stormbreaker is magical. Biforst re-created with the power of Tessaract. Not magic, bifrost is not a magical bridge or teleportation technique.

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: that’s not the point though.

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@crunch5481: the initial debate is becoming a straw man at this point. As far as if SB is magic, it clearly is. Also you should refamiliarize yourself with the OP question here as it assumes Thor does hit DD's neck with SB. This isnt a Thor v DD, that has been done to death (Zod's 2nd of course)

@arqe: If you believe diana cut SW then you also have to believe DD was hurt by bullets...he reeled and sounded like it hurt him that is.

Quick question: What makes people think Marvel magic is analogous to DC magic? Thor stated it's science that isn't yet understood and Doctor Strange expanded it to energy from the multiverse. That matches the comics. DC comics have always treated magic as something supernatural, IE beyond the scope of science and outside its rules (Lucifer and such). The DCEU hasn't made any such explicit statement, but Wonder Woman made it pretty obvious. I'm wondering why people think Marvel's super advanced science = DCEU magic.

One is all it takes

One and done.

I don't see how SB won't slice DD's head off when a single strike from Diana's sword was all it took to slice his arm off.

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RIP Doomsday.

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Believe ? You just need eyes and a proper monitor / tv to see how she cut him. If you can't see it that is your problem.

Also noticing and getting hurt are different things. When you are on the street bugs just kamikaze your face are they able to hurt your ? No, you just notice them hitting you and you move your head and arms as reflex.

Remember how Shazam thought they shot him with guns ? Then noticed it didn't do anything. Same thing. DD noticed them because he absorbs their kinetic energy.

"As far as if SB is magic, it clearly is."

If it is NOT magical in a similar enough way to WW's sword then it won't help piercing DD, that's what I said.

See, it doesn't assume that. The question suggests that, but the OP gives an option that contradicts it and the initial conditions suggest Doomsday is not constrained.

@crunch5481: The pressure inside a Nuke's core is 10^15 Pascals (source), or 647489901.8179401 tons concentrated on every single inch of Doomsday's body and he completely no-sold that shit. Has stormbreaker ever cut someone that durable before? Yeah, didn't think so either.

The amount of physics people are applying in this thread is disgusting, it's fiction... Almost no ability in Marvel or DC follows the laws of physics, yet when you need them to help your argument that's when you make them apply.

1 takes his head clean off assuming DD is letting it happen.

One swing is all Thor needs to get the job done

One swing at Doomsday, he adapts, Thor dies. That's IF he can tag him first.

Also, Diana did slice and cut Steppenwolf's stomach.

Doomsday adapts as the first hit reaches halfway into his neck, proceeds to one-shot.

MARK VI armor had 200-Petwatt energy output whilst the most powerful nuke ever detonated (Tsar bomba) had 210 petajoules. Yet Thor pierced Thanos who completely no-sold energy attacks from superior armors.

@rabumalal: sure would’ve been nice if he did that against Wonder Woman but no

@jefferydeducke: Do you not know the legendary speed of Wonder Woman?? Fool! She can blitz-decapitate all the Avengers before they can react and you dare compare her swing to Thor’s? Doomsday was keeping up with her AND Superman who is even exponentially faster than Wonder Woman!

He adapts and one-shots. /thread

@aqualion0: Yeah, well I guess Superman tanked 300 db >>>>> the Krakatoa explosion >>> any man made weapon including Tsar bomba. And Doomsday is more durable than Superman, y'get the point. Both statements are wrong btw, I doubt the writers knew anything about petajoules or decibels.

Edit: and the 10^15 pascals is actually a thing, that's the pressure inside of a 100 kt nuke and it's the reason as to why no material known to man can survive in the center of a nuke. It's not like I pulled it outta my ass or something.

@rabumalal: stepphenwolf reacted to her and he wasn’t exactly fast because there’s no Mach cOnEs, and Wonder Woman<iw Thor. That has been debated too many times and Thor was always the winner. Ww is more iron mans league

@crunch5481: Got that? Piercing durability IS skin durability. Skin durability does NOT need to be shown through resistance to sharp objects BECAUSE from basic physics we know that it is a matter of pressure.

No, it isn't always a matter of skin, or coating whatever; Steel, for exemple, is better at resisting piercing damage than wood, in an inherent manner.

THEREFORE: You are incorrect in stating that DD's best piercing feat is tanking high caliber bullets. Piercing resistance is skin durability, so anything that applies an exceptional force to DD's skin is counted as skin durability.

If this held any truth, then WW would be bullet-proof. Damage categorization is a fact at DC's. You are basically saying that all damage is the same.

And you want to tell people and believe that Thanos, the one who Iron Man made bleed with a punch (one of Iron Man's strongest punches, but still a punch from Iron Man), has better piercing durability than Doomsday. Ridiculous. Look at the feats, Thanos would not survive the pressure wave of a Nuke, let alone come out of it unscathed. Nor would Thanos survive the subsequent re-entry impact, let alone come out of it without a scratch.

I don't see why he won't. And yes, Thanos has definitely better piercing feats than DD. DD has, like no piercing resistance feat aside from 30mm bullets.

Diana's sword cutting Doomsday was obviously meant to show the might of her sword and not that Doomsday could be sliced by any powerful being wielding sharp metal. Cutting DD was meant to be a feat for the sword's capability.

The same sword that failed to affect Steppenwolf, who everybody here here rate as much less powerful than DD. IMO, Something odd is afoot.

Wonder Woman's sword failed to do any significant damage to Steppenwolf's ARMOR. She never hit Steppenwolf straight on, she only ever slashed at his armor. It took a full force CHOP to cut off Doomsday's hand. Her block of his fist with the sword only cut him, and her slash at his heel also only cut him. Doomsday isn't covered in metal alien armor like Steppenwolf, and WW NEVER got a clean hit on Steppenwolf unlike she did with Doomsday.

She got a good, full slash at his midsection. When all's said and done, WW's sword(s) has only one feat - precisely that of cutting DD. Against the two other bosses she faced, her sword(s) failed like a wet petard - and so are the kryptonians' punching strength, BTW; At no time it ever was a game-changer.

And furthermore, wasn't SW's armor in the same material as his axe? Except axes are tougher still, of course, right? Well, why did WW's sword shattered the axe but couldn't get thru the armor?

This is clearly supported by the fact that NOTHING else was hurting Doomsday up to that point. They even went out of their way to NUKE HIM & have him fall from space and be fine just to prove his insane durability.

People got way too much exited about the nuke.

First, a nuke isn't delivered like that: ICBM have what are called MIRV, independent nuclear warheads that are launched down from the ICBM, which is just a vector. I still wonder why they didn't atke a cruise missile. They didn't, they had no idea what they were talking about, and therefore, all of your "realistic logics" fails this early for the rest of the things to come.

Second; When all's said and done, a nuke is just a high explosive force. "HE" means that the energy release, if phenomenal, is still omnidirectional - it goes in all directions at once, instead of focusing on a point like AP, bunker-buster tech can do. You can build yourself a bunker that will protect you from the (primary) effects of a nuke. Warships in the Bikini Atoll tests resisted it.

Finally, it was a nuke in space. There were very little atoms for it to work on.

The most plausible explanation for her sword doing well against DD is that it is some level of magic and DD has some susceptibility to magic, since that is what has always tended to be true in other media with regard to these characters.

I agree. WW didn't cut DD because she's exceptionally strong, or the sword's exceptionally good, but because it was magical, a weakness that Kryptonians have brought into the DCEU. But that still leaves DD vulnerable to what I consider a stronger weapon, held by a stronger being, if facing Thor with StormBreaker.

One swing, or one throw.

Now I know whose alt is this^^

@lan_fan: Nucleon's an alt?

@rabumalal: Also she’s around Mach 2.5, Thor has reacted to similar things

Magic, in all of its forms, and in all universes or epochs, is treated as a science, with secret knowledge, teachers, schools, books, rituals and apprentices, and training.

@nucleon: I'm asking why people think the MCU form is translatable to DCEU when they look to be entirely different functions. "Secret knowledge, teachers, schools, books, rituals and apprentices, and training" don't mean the two magics or the way they operate are the same. DC comics also strictly set science and magic apart, where a scientist from the 41st century admitted to Dr. Fate that magic is something else. Harry Potter isn't comparable to multiversal energy. How is the MCU comparable to the DCEU in function and therefore effect on Kryptonians?

@flashfyr: Well, technology isn't the exact same neither across all fictional verses, but it's still tech nonetheless, isn't it? A guy like Tony Stark can go to the DC universe and not be flabbergasted by the tech differences he would find, I think. He would be at home in no time, more like.

Furtermore true when quite often, all the different types of magics found in a single given universe are from different origins already. That being said magic is a much more "unified" thing at DC's.

Pardon me?

@nucleon: @thebestofthebest: I got ninja'd, lmao.

@nucleon: Tech is a bad comparison, though. Magic in DC is specifically said to be separate from science (at least until you use it to make physical attacks like plain fire and whatnot), whereas Marvel actually treats magic as directly stemming from science.

The functions are so different that you can't compare the two. Superman being vulnerable to DC magic makes sense, but he's nigh protected against science. Him getting hit by science that's calling itself magic wouldn't work.

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/51000/are-magic-and-religion-just-higher-level-science-in-the-dc-universe

@lan_fan: Oh, you were referring to the Jeffry dude? Whose alt is he?

@thebestofthebest: wat

@flashfyr: I think you took Thor's statement the wrong way. "Your ancestors called it magic, you call it science. Where I come from its one and the same" what Thor meant in this statement was that Asgard was a technologically superior to earth. They came to earth a long time ago so people of earth call it magic as they didn't know much of technology so that was supernatural to them. While Dr strange told us that magic is dimensional energy and not advanced technology. So maybe that relates to the dceu one?

@darkthunder:

@nucleon: Asgardian magic being science was further reinforced in The Dark World where Jane automatically understood how a "soul forge" works. So yes, MCU magic in that regard is not supernatural. In terms of Doctor Strange, dimensions are not beyond scientific understanding and are therefore not supernatural. If you read my link from earlier, there's a clear distinction between magic and upper dimensional forces in DC. Both exist, but they're not the same. Unlike Marvel.

Further, God actually exists in DC. The Presence is essentially the Judeo-Christian god, who created Lucifer and Michael out of pure magic and not "upper dimensional energy." In fact, they're the ones who created science to begin with. While all three certainly possess upper dimensional energy after the fact, their power stems from magic and they can completely bend science any way they want. Science and technology cannot counter their power under any circumstance, but in Marvel comics, science has been shown to counter magic in a variety of ways.

So yeah, DC and Marvel have totally different understandings of magic and I don't see MCU magic having the same effects as DC.

He can't.

Doomsday has much higher piercing durability than Thanos.

@thespartanb345t:

Based on what ? Out of curiosity.

@sup3rn0va:

Hahah love this you are right it’s crazy

@flashfyr: That's the best explanation I've seen of magic in the MCU thus far, but you'd better believe people regardless of every point you've brought even with in-world confirmations will treat MCU 'magic' as though it's in any way equal to DCEU's.

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...I was saying if SB was magic like WW's sword, since that is the most plausible explanation for why she was able to cut DD. If SB is not magic then it's not cutting DD. Do you think WW's sword was magic, or did she generate more pressure than the nuke? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you'll say magic. Are you following my logic?

Do you believe Wonder Woman's sword is magic?

Do you believe Stormbreaker is magic?

Do you believe that WW cut Doomsday because her sword was magic or because of a combination of her strength and the sword's durability?