How long would it take the 0 division to beat the gotei 13?

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Let's say that ichigo was made into the new SK and shunsui leads the gotei to free ichigo. Ichibei and the others know that the gotei is coming

Round 1- end of war captains w/ unohana and komamura still alive

Round 2- Yamamoto is alive and joins the gotei

Round 3- base aizen, gin and kaname join the gotei (no yama)

Everyone is in character

Win by death, KO or BFR

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They lose all rounds only worthy 0 Divison is Ichibei who gets mopped the first round the Gerard trio solos (Byakuya, Kenny, Hitsu,) it’s gets worse after every round

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@allhellkingdox: just gonna throw out there that oetsu alone one shot gerard. The trio you mentioned couldn't even kill him let alone all of the other elites simultaneously

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They lose every round mainly do ichibie. Alot of them also get blized

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Bankai Kenpachi, bankai Yamamoto, and adult Toshiro could all give the zero squad major problems themselves. The only reason they can't solo is due to Ichibei. The entire Gotei should win unless Ichibei's hax can take them all down at once.

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#6 AnimeFreak1  Online

Bankai Kenpachi, bankai Yamamoto, and adult Toshiro could all give the zero squad major problems themselves. The only reason they can't solo is due to Ichibei. The entire Gotei should win unless Ichibei's hax can take them all down at once.

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Zero Squad stomps

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#8  Edited By Revold

Squad 0 will stomp any incomplete roster of Gotei 13. So the teams should be:

R0: Flashback arc (with Urahara Yoruichi etc)

R1: SS arc (with Aizen Gin Tosen)

R2: TYBW arc

R3: Post TYBW (rukia etc)

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squad 0 stomps by hype, gotei by feats

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@revold: these are complete versions? Aside from round 1 who doesn't have yama

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@alextheboss: the 3 of them wouldn't be able to solo and toshiro needs like 15 minutes in bankai to achieve that form. 0 division has a speed advantage which will help them against the number of opponents

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squad 0 stomps by hype, gotei by feats

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EoS Gotei is OP, they beat 0 division.

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0 division fodder except ichibei, who gets overwhelmed every round.

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#15  Edited By ThousandSteps

Gotei gets slaughtered every round pretty fast (assuming 0 squad is bloodlusted), with only some difficulty on round 2 due to Yamamato.

When talking about in-verse battle, lore has to be considered, and it was made very clear that 0 squad was above the might of Gotei.

Featwise, ZS members are faster, and Ichibei can hax them to death, not to mention they can revive each other.

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@alextheboss said:

Bankai Kenpachi, bankai Yamamoto, and adult Toshiro could all give the zero squad major problems themselves. The only reason they can't solo is due to Ichibei. The entire Gotei should win unless Ichibei's hax can take them all down at once.

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The scaling wasn’t very clear but Ichibei and Oetsu should still be above the Gotei.

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Round 1: teams only chance is not get touched by ichibei.

By hype zero squad should be solidly above normal captains but by feats the only relevant ones are ichibei and oetsu. I'm going with squad zero just because oetsu and ichibei should know all zanpaktou abilities and I think they are more likely to go all out on former allies and I don't think the team can take out ichibei fast enough. Zero squad in a tough fight

Round 2: Yama is helpful for knowledge purposes but I don't think Yama is above Kenny adult toshiro or even shunsui based on feats. I'll go with the gotei high diff just because they'll have better teamwork and more knowledge with the captain commander here.

Round 3: Physically those 3 base captains should all be well below tybw arc captains. Kanames bankai is probably just black that ichibei can manipulate but aizen and gin were likely reaching the realms of squad zero based on Aizen reaching the pinnacle of shinigami power and gin is well above a normal captains. KS could make a huge difference here. I'll go with gotei 13 in very high diff

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@alextheboss: the 3 of them wouldn't be able to solo and toshiro needs like 15 minutes in bankai to achieve that form. 0 division has a speed advantage which will help them against the number of opponents

Bankai Kenpachi is the fastest character here, and I know Toshiro needs time to get into his adult form, but if he does get into his adult form he is stronger than all of the zero squad except Ichibei.

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#20 AnimeFreak1  Online

Wanted to add this

I feel as though the only people giving Ichibe a good fight are Yamamoto and Kenpachi if they team up on him and go Bankai

They could probably beat him in Shikai then

Then he goes Bankai and proceeds to wipe the floor with everybody

So what I guess I'm saying is

Ichibe solos

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@alextheboss: kenpachi the fastest character here??? Ichibei would run circles around him. He doesn't have the speed feats to compete with base ichibei

Adult toshiro didn't even take out gerard so I fail to see him soloing all of the elites together with the utmost ease.

Kenpachi got stomped by base pernida who couldn't even react to oetsu meaning he is also much faster than kenpachi. Saying those 3 characters alone beat the 0 division would mean this is a mismatch which isn't

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@theemperor95: I assume you think Ichibei is so fast due to travelling 1000 ri, but he never actually traveled the full thousand, he stopped Yhwach short, and the soul palace was still clearly visible.

Adult Toshiro couldn’t take out Gerard because he was immortal. Out of the zero squad, only Ichibei could defeat the miracle Gerard due to his final move that erases something’s existence. Kenpachi only lost to Pernida because he was taken off gaurd and couldn’t see the nerves coming since they were too small.

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They cant .

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@alextheboss: 1. Incorrect ichibei said "go back another 1000 ri" implying he already travelled that distance

2. We have no idea what a large island-country sized area would look like from the sky so it being visible means nothing

3. Miracle didn't help gerard not get one shot by oetsu. Something neither adult toshiro nor kenpachi could replicate

4. Oetsu also had no knowledge of pernida and pernida was already starting to attack yet he still got blitz one shot by oetsu

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@theemperor95:

1. Incorrect ichibei said "go back another 1000 ri" implying he already travelled that distance

Then he probably mean the shorter version of ri, which translates to 300 miles, not thousands.

2. We have no idea what a large island-country sized area would look like from the sky so it being visible means nothing

The seireitei is large island-counter sized, the soul palace is a mountain sized castle and 5 cities.

3. Miracle didn't help gerard not get one shot by oetsu. Something neither adult toshiro nor kenpachi could replicate

Because that was base Gerard who hadn't activated the miracle yet.

4. Oetsu also had no knowledge of pernida and pernida was already starting to attack yet he still got blitz one shot by oetsu

Kenpachi could also blitz and one shot pernida if he attacked right off the bat. Pernida could also reck Oetsu just the same as Kenpachi if they gets her nerves inside him.

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Ichibei Solos?

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#27  Edited By WhatIsWritten
@alextheboss said:

@theemperor95:

1. Incorrect ichibei said "go back another 1000 ri" implying he already travelled that distance

Then he probably mean the shorter version of ri, which translates to 300 miles, not thousands.

so you're telling me you hopped on your laptop and without any bias decided to say a japanese dude used a chinese measurement with a different pronunciation, all because you still have trouble with how OP his feat was?

riiigghhttt...

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@alextheboss: 1. That was a mistranslation and iirc viz even said they mistranslated it

2. The wall that goes around the entire sereitei surrounds all of the SK palace including the areas home to the 0 division. Shunsui even explains this to ichigo

3. Base gerard got killed too quick to activate or realize he was in danger. Adult toshiro doesn't replicate nor bankai kenpachi nor byakuya

4. What are you talking about? We see kenpachi attack pernida right away and he loses there is no way around that. We also see oetsu attack pernida (while pernida is in the middle of attack) and instantly kills him. Kenpachi tried to replicate oetsu feat and failed. This happens on panel

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@alextheboss said:

@theemperor95:

1. Incorrect ichibei said "go back another 1000 ri" implying he already travelled that distance

Then he probably mean the shorter version of ri, which translates to 300 miles, not thousands.

so you're telling me you hopped on your laptop and without any bias decided to say a japanese dude used a chinese measurement with a different pronunciation, all because you still have trouble with how OP his feat was?

riiigghhttt...

That's what the english version of the manga said...

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@alextheboss: 1. That was a mistranslation and iirc viz even said they mistranslated it

2. The wall that goes around the entire sereitei surrounds all of the SK palace including the areas home to the 0 division. Shunsui even explains this to ichigo

3. Base gerard got killed too quick to activate or realize he was in danger. Adult toshiro doesn't replicate nor bankai kenpachi nor byakuya

4. What are you talking about? We see kenpachi attack pernida right away and he loses there is no way around that. We also see oetsu attack pernida (while pernida is in the middle of attack) and instantly kills him. Kenpachi tried to replicate oetsu feat and failed. This happens on panel

1. Can I see where they said it was a mistranslation?

2. The wall of the sereitei surrounding all of the SK palace only proves the SK palace is smaller than the seireitei.

3. That's because Adult Toshiro and bankai Kenpachi never fought base Gerard, he already had the miracle activated. I don't remember if Byakuya was using his bankai already or not, but he is probably the weakest of the three.

4. This is wrong on multiple levels.

-Kenpachi was in base when fighting Pernida. I agree Oetsu has a good chance of being above base Kenpachi.

-Kenpachi tagged Pernida, even in base. If he had the sword Oetsu had, he would of cut Pernida in half.

-Oetsu threw his sword, so the nerves couldn't reach his arm.

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@alextheboss: 1. I'll have to look for the statement

2. The giant wall that surrounds all of sereitei?? The one ichigo and co needed help with to enter when they first got to SS. It goes around sereitei so it also going around the SK palace means that they are the same size or roughly the same size

3. Byakuya was iirc and he blocked an attack from gerard strongest form so he is at the very least comparable to the other 2 and still didn't one shot.

4. Oetsu fought pernida in base as well... he was much faster and much stronger as per both of their encounter with pernida. If his base is vastly above kenpachi then his shikai and bankai would be as well

Oetsu had a regular sword? It was just hella sharp and he still wouldn't have been able to replicate oetsu feat because he couldn't blitz pernida

Kenpachi wasn't touching pernida either yet the nerves reached him. Weird how when you can't blitz your opponent that they can hit you with their hax

You also seem to forget that kenpachi would never start the fight in bankai nor would he immediately whip out shikai and the 0 division has already shown that they will kill you before you even think of using your power

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@alextheboss: also their are plenty of other feats from the 0 division that showcases their superiority over the gotei

Shutara going across all of the sereitei and collecting people/things from the squad 4 barracks and even breaking into mayuri lab stealing tensa zangetsu and returning before anyone noticed she was gone. This happened in the time it took ichibei to scold tenjiro

Tenjiro effortlessly blitzing soi fon despite her looking straight at him

Senjuumaru completely changing out nianzol clothes and recreating them in the short time it takes him to explain his ability. He was even looking straight at her for half of the time and didn't notice or feel anything

Those coupled with the fact that they are said to be more powerful than all of the gotei shows that it would take much more than just 3 people to take them on

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@theemperor95:

The giant wall that surrounds all of sereitei?? The one ichigo and co needed help with to enter when they first got to SS. It goes around sereitei so it also going around the SK palace means that they are the same size or roughly the same size

That's not how that works. If it is surrounded by the walls of the soul society, that just means it is smaller. It does not mean it is comparable in size.

Oetsu fought pernida in base as well... he was much faster and much stronger as per both of their encounter with pernida. If his base is vastly above kenpachi then his shikai and bankai would be as well

Oetsu never even showed if he had a bankai. I'm talking about the Oetsu we saw, not a hypothetical Oetsu that we have no idea about. He was fighting with the sharpest sword that exists, we don't how it works or if it transforms.

Bankai Kenpachi>the Oetsu we saw. If Oetsu has power ups, he might be stronger, but we didn't see them so they are irrelevant. It's like trying to use bankai Aizen in an argument. We never saw it, so it's pointless.

Oetsu had a regular sword?

Lol no. It was a special sword he had to keep in water and brought it just to defeat the biggest threat the soul society has ever faced. It is far from regular, and arguably the most dangerous zanpakuto that exists.

Kenpachi wasn't touching pernida either yet the nerves reached him. Weird how when you can't blitz your opponent that they can hit you with their hax

Kenapchi did go up and touch Pernida directly. Pernida also attacked while they were apart, but Kenpachi was first hit when he cut Pernida's head apart.

You also seem to forget that kenpachi would never start the fight in bankai nor would he immediately whip out shikai and the 0 division has already shown that they will kill you before you even think of using your power

Irrelevant. My argument was bankai Kenpachi was stronger, not that Kenpachi would win in character in every scenario.

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@alextheboss: 1. What you're saying doesn't make sense. If I built a wall around my house and then moved the wall and it fit around my neighbors house you would assume that they are roughly the same size. Same deal here. Both fit within the shakonmaku yet you say the SK palace is smaller because it fits inside the shakonmaku

2. That still wouldn't be correct imo. Bankai kenny isn't capable of dealing with one elite. You'd have to say that he could solo all the elites at one time to even hope to reach oetsu level and Kenny just doesn't have that power

3. It called it a failure unworthy of being called a sword. It was just incredibly sharp but guess what nozarashi is as well. That's right it just becomes really sharp

4. The first time kenpachi attacked he still had distance between him and pernida but had to tear off his arm to prevent himself from getting turned into mush. The second time he directly touched pernida and still failed to do anything more than superficial damage

5. Do you really think that bankai kenpachi is going to solo the elites? Pernida alone would still body him and he lost to gerard. He hasn't shown the ability to kill gerard before he can activate the miracle or kill pernida or kill lille before he goes intangible and he's just as likely to get caught by askin hax as grimmjow tbh

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People in this thread really using the Zero squad defeating elites as a feat, even tho elites were at one percent power LMAO

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@ckarma: head canon they were not. They were at the pre auswahlen power levels when they faced the gotei. All of their fights prove so.

Shunsui being able to pressure lille

Renji even being able to fight with gerard

Mayuri not getting blitzed by pernida

Yoruichi brother being able to injure askin

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@whatiswritten: I looked it up and it seems the japanese ri is based off of the chinese one and there is also something called the marine ri. Seems kind of confusing, but I guess the current standard Japanese one would make the most sense, but Kubo does take things from other cultures (spanish and german) so who is to say he didn't take something from china. I'm pretty sure I've also herd people say it depends on what era of Japan we are talking about, as maybe the old Japense ri was similar to the chinese one?

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#40  Edited By WhatIsWritten

@alextheboss said:

@whatiswritten: I looked it up and it seems the japanese ri is based off of the chinese one and there is also something called the marine ri. Seems kind of confusing, but I guess the current standard Japanese one would make the most sense, but Kubo does take things from other cultures (spanish and german) so who is to say he didn't take something from china. I'm pretty sure I've also herd people say it depends on what era of Japan we are talking about, as maybe the old Japense ri was similar to the chinese one?

youre actually reaching so hard, like this is hilarious

I like how we'll ignore the two other times they used the ri correctly and then say this one is right

oh well, i guess karakura is just 0.6 miles wide then

Like do you seriously believe this nonsense youre claiming?

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@whatiswritten: I wasn't saying those were the right measurements, I was just saying things I found when looking it up. I even said in my last post "but I guess the current standard Japanese one would make the most sense", but you wanting to stroke your ego making yourself feel more right saying I'm reaching, when I'm just bringing up other information to create a dialogue, not saying you are wrong.

There are far more problems with the argument besides the distance, as there is also no given time frame, which already makes calculating the feat extremely dubious, and like I said, Yhwach is still flying and the visuals definitely don't show him being anywhere close to tousands of miles away from the soul palace.

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#42  Edited By Raziel2014

Base Ichibei was already comparable if not stronger than Bankai Yamamoto who = Base Yhwach, adding in Ichibei power increase and hax via Bankai/Shikai puts him massively above Yamamoto.

only way Gotei 13 is beating Ichibei is via sheer hax and only Shunsui and Aizen can give them that, Gin via Bankai could also come in handy as he only needs one scratch of course even piercing Ichibei would prove quite a task as even Yhwach could barely scratch the guy.

Toshiro Ice would be neg via Sheer Power of Ichibei, Byakuya is also useless due to difference in power and no hax, Soi Fon shikai is useless as the difference between her and ichibei is greater than a 3rd seat is to a captain, her shikai proved useless against Base/Shikai Aizen much less Ichibei, KOmamura has no hax, Kenpachi is a 1 trick pony at best he is probably Yama tier for several seconds at best.

the other members can be defeated by Senior captain class if not tied.

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@whatiswritten: I wasn't saying those were the right measurements, I was just saying things I found when looking it up. I even said in my last post "but I guess the current standard Japanese one would make the most sense",

if you knew all this, then why did you originally tell emperor that it should be 300 miles? Not to mention this whole “who am I to say” and “Muh era” stuff.....just stop

but you wanting to stroke your ego making yourself feel more right saying I'm reaching,

telling you facts isn’t me stroking my ego when you’re trying to deny something.

when I'm just bringing up other information to create a dialogue, not saying you are wrong.

there’s no need for dialogue, it was 3800 km, end of story.

There are far more problems with the argument besides the distance, as there is also no given time frame,

ichibe caught up to Yhwach before he could think about stopping the movement/chanting/whatever it was he was trying to say.

that can’t be more than a few seconds.

which already makes calculating the feat extremely dubious, and like I said, Yhwach is still flying and the visuals definitely don't show him being anywhere close to tousands of miles away from the soul palace.
1) when ichibe smacks him again, they are at a dead stop https://m.imgur.com/WBuEIOF?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

2) ichibe already stated “go back another 1000 ri”

hmmm, I wonder what that means

again....just stop. Even if you can pull up contradictory visuals, ichibe’s own words disagree with you.

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@whatiswritten:

if you knew all this, then why did you originally tell emperor that it should be 300 miles?

Because I wasn't aware of the history of the ri, and I heard from others on this site when this argument was brought up before that it depended on the time of Japan or something and they didn't seem to come to a conclusive answer back then if I recal.

Not to mention this whole “who am I to say” and “Muh era” stuff.....just stop

Well you aren't a valid source, whether you like it or not. I'm not a valid source either.

telling you facts isn’t me stroking my ego when you’re trying to deny something.

Your last post wasn't telling me facts.

youre actually reaching so hard, like this is hilarious

Not a fact.

I like how we'll ignore the two other times they used the ri correctly and then say this one is right

I'm not familiar with every example the ri is used, nor did I claim I was.

oh well, i guess karakura is just 0.6 miles wide then

I agree it wouldn't be that small. Nothing I ever said implied that it was.

I have no problem with you giving me information like this to prove your claim, as it is compelling evidence, but you bring it up in an arrogant way and come across as an A-hole, which is why I'm saying you are stroking your ego.

Like do you seriously believe this nonsense youre claiming?

And what do you know, your next line backs that up.

there’s no need for dialogue, it was 3800 km, end of story.

Like I said, you aren't a source. Whether it is or isn't has nothing to do with it when debating. How do you think it would look if someone in the past went around saying, "the earth is round, there is no need for evidence, end of story." Do you really think people would take that claim seriously? Even though that person would be right, he would still be improperly educating people, and that type of argument would never hold up in any sort of debate or scientific setting.

ichibe caught up to Yhwach before he could think about stopping the movement/chanting/whatever it was he was trying to say.

that can’t be more than a few seconds.

Yeah, it was probably a few seconds, but that means it could easily be only 4 digit mach speed, which bankai Kenpachi is easily at or above.

1) when ichibe smacks him again, they are at a dead stop https://m.imgur.com/WBuEIOF?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

The lines behind Yhwach in the background indicate he is still moving.

2) ichibe already stated “go back another 1000 ri”

In this translation he didn't say that, and actually implied he hasn't flown 1000 ri yet.

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I don't speak Japanese so I don't know which one is more accurate.

ichibe’s own words disagree with you.

If that's the correct translation, because Ichibei's words in the scan I just posted disagree with you.

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Because I wasn't aware of the history of the ri, and I heard from others on this site when this argument was brought up before that it depended on the time of Japan or something and they didn't seem to come to a conclusive answer back then if I recal.

right....

Well you aren't a valid source, whether you like it or not. I'm not a valid source either.

Sorry that we cant apply common sense and figure stuff out based on other uses of the ri in the manga.

Your last post wasn't telling me facts.

youre actually reaching so hard, like this is hilarious

Not a fact.

you reaching and doing some of the worst mental gymnastics ever is fact

oh well, i guess karakura is just 0.6 miles wide then

I agree it wouldn't be that small. Nothing I ever said implied that it was.

Yes, and karakura is about 2 ri wide as per mayuri's own words, and they did include the proper conversion then.

I have no problem with you giving me information like this to prove your claim, as it is compelling evidence, but you bring it up in an arrogant way and come across as an A-hole, which is why I'm saying you are stroking your ego.

Im telling you what the ri should be based on the authors heritage

i mention another instance the ri was used and why its conversion to 4 km is more accurate based on that

yet you're ignoring me and still trying to argue for the other side

like wtf are you tryiing to pull....

Like do you seriously believe this nonsense youre claiming?

And what do you know, your next line backs that up.

there’s no need for dialogue, it was 3800 km, end of story.

Like I said, you aren't a source. Whether it is or isn't has nothing to do with it when debating. How do you think it would look if someone in the past went around saying, "the earth is round, there is no need for evidence, end of story." Do you really think people would take that claim seriously? Even though that person would be right, he would still be improperly educating people, and that type of argument would never hold up in any sort of debate or scientific setting.

i gave you all the evidence. The manga has used the proper definition for karakura, and by logic the japanese conversion would be more apprpriate than a chinese one lol

Yeah, it was probably a few seconds, but that means it could easily be only 4 digit mach speed, which bankai Kenpachi is easily at or above.

thats not what im arguing, and i never believed anyone in bleach except mimihagi is above sub rel anyways.

The lines behind Yhwach in the background indicate he is still moving.

Those arent speed lines, which would be coming off his body and are much shorter(like in the scan where the smack itself occurs), those lines you see meant to represent sudden actions and the like in manga, theyre a staple.

similar to how none of these characters are moving

boruto isnt moving
boruto isnt moving
kawaki isnt moving(bottom left)
kawaki isnt moving(bottom left)
naruto and delta arent moving
naruto and delta arent moving

2) ichibe already stated “go back another 1000 ri”

In this translation he didn't say that, and actually implied he hasn't flown 1000 ri yet.

Thats not the literal translation for it, which mangastream is known for being loose on sometimes. The viz scan has the proper one and if you want to verify, you can look the chapter up on mangahelpers.com as they always have literal translations.

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Gotei beat them every time, heck whe juhas top men fought the zero division the zero division lost, it was the gotei that killed most of those rop men later and i don't see ichibei beating yamamoto, kenpachi, aizen or rukia.

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@theemperor95: What??? They literally had their new powers lmao, how are they pre??

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@ckarma: lille specifically said it's not a new power it's their true power that they didn't get the chance to use before. He even correct oetsu on assuming it's a new power

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/604/10

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Sorry that we cant apply common sense and figure stuff out based on other uses of the ri in the manga.

I didn't say we couldn't, but you didn't start out by showing your examples from the manga to prove your point. If you did so you actually would have been credible.

you reaching and doing some of the worst mental gymnastics ever is fact

Opinion.

Yes, and karakura is about 2 ri wide as per mayuri's own words, and they did include the proper conversion then

Ok, then all you had to due was show that to start off with. I don't have the entire Bleach manga and ever line in it memorized.

Im telling you what the ri should be based on the authors heritage

Ok, but you just said it without giving a source. I had to go look it up myself, and when I saw that you were correct I said you were probably right and that the larger ri unit makes more sense.

i mention another instance the ri was used and why its conversion to 4 km is more accurate based on that

yet you're ignoring me and still trying to argue for the other side

No, you didn't bring that up until far into our conversation, where I was already saying you were probably right.

Go reread the conversation again, because you clearly don't remember it.

like wtf are you tryiing to pull....

You are creating your own arguments. I never had a strong opinion either way. You just started right off the bat as a jerk, then I conceded that it was probably the larger ri, and then you continued to act like a jerk. That is literally what happened. Show me one time where I flat out denied an argument with a valid source here. If you can't then my point stands and you are arguing against an imaginary version of me that is denying facts that doesn't exist.

i gave you all the evidence. The manga has used the proper definition for karakura, and by logic the japanese conversion would be more apprpriate than a chinese one lol

You didn't give any sort of evidence until multiple replies in, and at that point I already said you were probably right...

thats not what im arguing, and i never believed anyone in bleach except mimihagi is above sub rel anyways.

Ok then we agree on this for the most part, though I think soul king Yhwach is faster than mimihagi, at least when it comes to short and quick movements, considering at base he reacted to mimihagi without the almighty.

Those arent speed lines, which would be coming off his body and are much shorter(like in the scan where the smack itself occurs), those lines you see meant to represent sudden actions and the like in manga, theyre a staple.

similar to how none of these characters are moving

I see where you are coming from, but the lines were always clearly in the direction Yhwach was flying in every scan.

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You may be right, but it's hard to tell. Can you post the exact scan where Ichibei said fly another thousand ri?

The viz scan has the proper one and if you want to verify, you can look the chapter up on mangahelpers.com as they always have literal translations.

If we can't trust Viz to translate ri right, why should we trust them any more than mangastream which did get the ri translation right?

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Sorry that we cant apply common sense and figure stuff out based on other uses of the ri in the manga.

I didn't say we couldn't, but you didn't start out by showing your examples from the manga to prove your point. If you did so you actually would have been credible.

you reaching and doing some of the worst mental gymnastics ever is fact

Opinion.

Yes, and karakura is about 2 ri wide as per mayuri's own words, and they did include the proper conversion then

Ok, then all you had to due was show that to start off with. I don't have the entire Bleach manga and ever line in it memorized.

Im telling you what the ri should be based on the authors heritage

Ok, but you just said it without giving a source. I had to go look it up myself, and when I saw that you were correct I said you were probably right and that the larger ri unit makes more sense.

i mention another instance the ri was used and why its conversion to 4 km is more accurate based on that

yet you're ignoring me and still trying to argue for the other side

No, you didn't bring that up until far into our conversation, where I was already saying you were probably right.

Go reread the conversation again, because you clearly don't remember it.

like wtf are you tryiing to pull....

You are creating your own arguments. I never had a strong opinion either way. You just started right off the bat as a jerk, then I conceded that it was probably the larger ri, and then you continued to act like a jerk. That is literally what happened. Show me one time where I flat out denied an argument with a valid source here. If you can't then my point stands and you are arguing against an imaginary version of me that is denying facts that doesn't exist.

i gave you all the evidence. The manga has used the proper definition for karakura, and by logic the japanese conversion would be more apprpriate than a chinese one lol

You didn't give any sort of evidence until multiple replies in, and at that point I already said you were probably right...

thats not what im arguing, and i never believed anyone in bleach except mimihagi is above sub rel anyways.

Ok then we agree on this for the most part, though I think soul king Yhwach is faster than mimihagi, at least when it comes to short and quick movements, considering at base he reacted to mimihagi without the almighty.

Those arent speed lines, which would be coming off his body and are much shorter(like in the scan where the smack itself occurs), those lines you see meant to represent sudden actions and the like in manga, theyre a staple.

similar to how none of these characters are moving

I see where you are coming from, but the lines were always clearly in the direction Yhwach was flying in every scan.

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You may be right, but it's hard to tell. Can you post the exact scan where Ichibei said fly another thousand ri?

The viz scan has the proper one and if you want to verify, you can look the chapter up on mangahelpers.com as they always have literal translations.

If we can't trust Viz to translate ri right, why should we trust them any more than mangastream which did get the ri translation right?

Viz has a history of getting translation wrong, look at their early Bleach translation is absolute trash, Viz has used Ri Japanese during SS/Arrancar arc so assuming is chinese Li when the Author Kubo is Japanese is just avoiding common sense.