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Posted by YouShallNotPass (1167 posts) 11 months, 20 days ago

Poll: How long would it take Obi to solo the Last Jedi throne room? (76 votes)

Wouldnt take him that long, he destroys all of them 51%
It takes him a while but he comes out on top 26%
Team are way too much for him, he loses 11%
Snoke solos 9%
Kylo solos 3%

Throne Room opponents- Kylo, Rey, Snoke and the Praetorian Guards

Obi is not very happy

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#1 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43014 posts) - - Show Bio

He gets the high ground, solos

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#2 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio
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This sums it up

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

And more NSWT low balling. Kylo and Rey beat him together. All the Praetorian guards can win. Snoke solos with no effort.

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#4 Posted by dark-sith123 (4870 posts) - - Show Bio

What is this spite thread? I'm not sure Kenobi can even hold his own against Snoke alone.

@riddlerfan77:

And more NSWT low balling.

Did you expect anything else? Lol

Kylo and Rey beat him together.

I'm kinda ST fan but that's questionable.

All the Praetorian guards can win.

Likely, but still not sure.

Snoke solos with no effort.

This, yeah.

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#5 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

What did Snoke do that so very much impressive lol

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#6 Posted by YouShallNotPass (1167 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Posted by dark-sith123 (4870 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria:

He oneshotted Rey who's done this:

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Certainly comparable to Kenobi's best feats. Rey is also equal to Kylo, who has:

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Kenobi can't come close to Snoke before being eventually overpowered by his vastly more powerful opponent, who has been stated to be at the "dark end of the Force" by Andy Serkis, who even went as far to state he was darker than Palpatine himself.

Snoke also has the feat of creating a Force Bond/bridge between Kylo and Rey, which was so powerful that:

  • Rey instantly got Kylo's skill+knowledge just by touching his hand in that scene where Luke caught them
  • Rey and Kylo could casually talk to each other despite in a normal situation it being much harder, with Kylo even telling Rey the effort would kill her
  • Still lived on strong after Snoke's death

This speaks volumes to Snoke's ability in the Force. Add the fact that Kenobi is an incredibly defensive fighter which will most likely mean that Snoke takes the initiative, I'm afraid our good old Jedi Master... really doesn't stand a chance.

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Posted by dark-sith123 (4870 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239:

True. Obi-Wan will have the high ground.

When he's being tossed around like a ragdoll by Snoke.

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#10 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239:

True. Obi-Wan will have the high ground.

When he's being tossed around like a ragdoll by Snoke.

Snoke is pathetic and has no feats on Dooku's level.

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#11 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark-sith123: I'd argue Kylo can equal Obi 1 V 1 and with Rey's help he wins. Questionable I know but I have a far higher opinion of Kylo than most.

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#12 Posted by YouShallNotPass (1167 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Posted by dark-sith123 (4870 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239:

No, Snoke's not on Dooku's level. He's comfortably above it.

Yeah, pathetic. One of the most impressive feats in canon=pathetic. One-shotting someone whose best TK feat is at least comparable to Kenobi's=pathetic.

Earth calls Chaos239! Earth calls Chaos239! Come back down please!

@riddlerfan77:

I'd argue Kylo can equal Obi 1 V 1

That's taking it too far.

I could actually see such a thing in a Force battle, but Kenobi's much better with a blade and that would grant him a win.

I could see Reylo beating Kenobi though.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

@youshallnotpass: Ah more lowballing. Funny how people never actually back up their claims. Rey lifted huge rocks with no strain which is more impressive than a lot of SW universe people can do. Kylo's has done things never shown before with the force in Star Wars and Rey equalled him. Kylo's froze blaster bolts knocked Rey out with a wave of his hand invaded people's minds ect. Lowballing. I shouldn't be surprised but I am.

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#15 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark-sith123: That's what I said. I don't see Kylo beating him or Rey but together I think they win. Sorry should have phrased that better. I mean Ren can give Kenobi a close fight but would lose.

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#16 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark-sith123: Dooku's feat during TCW when training Savage was way more impressive and Odi-Wan resisted his TK. Snoke is wanked like hell.

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#17 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239:

No, Snoke's not on Dooku's level. He's comfortably above it.

Yeah, pathetic. One of the most impressive feats in canon=pathetic. One-shotting someone whose best TK feat is at least comparable to Kenobi's=pathetic.

Earth calls Chaos239! Earth calls Chaos239! Come back down please!

Dooku lifted a bunch of Obelisks as a demonstration to Savage which is better than Rey's feats which even then seemed to be done in a moment of the force boosting her since no one else displayed anything close in the movies.

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#18 Posted by YouShallNotPass (1167 posts) - - Show Bio

@riddlerfan77: Seriously? Are you implying that she has the most impressive force feat?, have you forgotten about what Dooku did, Vader done etc? Yeah... the Kylo you're talking about is the one who lost to damn untrained, unexperienced Rey. Not really lowballing, you're highballing.

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#19 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

@youshallnotpass: What the hell are you reading. I never claimed it was the most impressive thing in SW just impressive. Snoke didn't just TK her he did so with no effort. Kylo beat the entire Jedi Accademy and the Praetorian gaurds as well as Finn (Who's highly trained with meele weapons and Kylo had been shot in the stomach by something that would have killed Obi Wan given he literally cried like a baby after getting tapped with a lightsaber. He didn't get struck he was tapped. Kylo endured multiple strikes and was still standing after already being shot. I'm not claiming he wins solo just that he can give a fight and that he wins with Rey's help.

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#20 Posted by dark-sith123 (4870 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria@chaos239

The obelisks Dooku lifted:

I reckon there's one or two in the background
I reckon there's one or two in the background

The boulders Rey's lifted:

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Looking at the size and quantity, Rey's feat>Dooku's feat.

Both videos are on YouTube- if you watch them you can also see Rey didn't put in as much effort as Dooku.

The obelisk feat is not going to cut it.

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#21 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark-sith123: Each of those boulders were the size of fin when we got a close shot, I don't have a screenshot I can find it if you like plus they were obelisks behind Dooku as well

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#22 Posted by dark-sith123 (4870 posts) - - Show Bio

@_kingoflatveria:

I think they were bigger that Finn tbh.

Anyway it's not like the obelisks are much bigger- and there aren't that many. There's one or two behind him, true, but not more.

There's like 8 obelisks and 20+ boulders.

Rey's TK feat easily matching one of Dooku's top TK feats while exerting less effort than the Count and Snoke one-shotting her really makes it hard to believe Snoke is not better than Dooku.

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#23 Posted by Iragexcudder (9464 posts) - - Show Bio

Snoke lost due to PIS, granted it was awesome it was still very silly.

He ragdolled Rey and manipulated both Rey and Kylo being separated across the galaxy. Same way Vader force choked across the galaxy, Snoke did to Hux but in a far more brutal way.

He also held Rey in mid air and did whatever that force was. He’d smoke Obi Wan

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#24 Posted by Six-Deuce (1080 posts) - - Show Bio

All this scaling off one PIS boulder lifting feat. Leia solos by opening an airlock. OT Obi in relatively easy fashion.

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#25 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark-sith123: there was 10 obelisk and half of them were twice the size of the boulders.

Also the rock feat would be impressive, if Rey could do it more than once in a plot fueled moment. Dooku could not be subdued by Yoda own power, and Dooku actually uses TK in fights with no need to of "omg my friends will die if I dont do soemthing." specific moments.

Luke Skywalker as a untrain padawan pretty much shook a star destroyer with his TK. But guess what? We dont cpunt it for battle purposes since it was triggered instance and not the norm.

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#26 Posted by ProteusXManRxis (4444 posts) - - Show Bio

He humiliates them.

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#27 Posted by Xy (964 posts) - - Show Bio

When I read the title I thought you were trying to shorten Obito. Would be hilarious.

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#28 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@iragexcudder: Your high.

Obi Wan can beat all these guys and their feats scale better than Snoke did to Rey who had one time emotion driven feat.

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Holding the blast of a explosive that takes out a building.

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multi ton rocks thrown at speeds to tag jet speed Y Wings 1000s of feet away.

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Maul drags a couple dozen tons of shuttle off a cliff.

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Windu shoves easy 50+ tons of Walker with a push.

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100+ ton feat for sure.

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Yoda with all his power holding a mountain size foot from killing him. Said mountain was also force resistant to TK.

Wait whats that? Rey lifted some small ass boulders the size of a human?

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Looking at the size and quantity, Rey's feat>Dooku's feat.

Then Snoke easily beat her untrained ass? Big whoop. A un train Luke did this shit.

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Luke lashing his power all around, completely un focus, shook a stated 2 million ton Star Destroyer.

I guess by your bad scaling and logic ESB Luke > Dooku, Windu, hell even RotS Anakin. LOL at that. Check mate this dumb ass logic to wank Rey and Snoke.

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@sirfizzwhizz: lol are you mad? You’re*

Small ass boulders? You’re high.

& I only thought this was movie Kenobi since you pictured him, not clone wars. Even though it is canon. Jeez do you get f*cking worked up lmao

& movie wise, Luke, Obi, Dooku and Palp haven’t shown anything besides the fight with Yoda that have been on par with Rey’s “small ass boulders”

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#30 Posted by dark-sith123 (4870 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz:

there was 10 obelisk and half of them were twice the size of the boulders.

Twice the size of the obelisks? I'd say the obelisks are somewhat bigger but they're not much bigger and they're outmatched in quantity.

Also the rock feat would be impressive, if Rey could do it more than once in a plot fueled moment.

Plot fueled? Can you please stop making absolutely baseless assumptions?

Dooku could not be subdued by Yoda own power,

*Sigh*

This debate can take a huge chunk out of anyone's time and time's not something I've got in spades right now.

Yoda's inferior Zonakin has stomped Dooku, though, and Yoda's near equal in Sidious has also stomped Dooku. Yoda's Jedi restraint and his not trying to actually subdue Dooku don't mean he can't do it if he goes full out- which contradicts his philosophy.

Luke Skywalker as a untrain padawan pretty much shook a star destroyer with his TK. But guess what? We dont cpunt it for battle purposes since it was triggered instance and not the norm.

We've seen untrained Force sensitives perform extremely impressive feats at random. For instance, child Zannah Force stomped two Jedi. Only Prime Zannah could probably do such a thing again. Child Galen pulled Vader's lightsaber from his grasp- adult Galen wouldn't be able to do that no matter how hard he tried.

Luke's also Chosen One 2.0 so he can just unleash his power at random. Rey, however, knew perfectly what she was doing. It's a completely normal feat you're just trying to write off as PIS.

I'm not saying Rey is as powerful as Dooku but she's definitely comparable, and Snoke is vastly more powerful than the Count.

@six-deuce:

All this scaling off one PIS boulder lifting feat.

PIS? I'd love to see where you are all getting this from. Maybe from the book of excuses- doesn't matter as long as we can make TLJ combatants look bad based on our opinion of the movie and how much we like them as characters which is completely irrelevant in a battle forum.

OT Obi in relatively easy fashion.

Against an extremely powerful Darksider who can blow him away with the Force at a whim that's backed up by two other Force sensitives who alone would give him a hell of a fight that are further protected by eight MagnaGuard+ level opponents? I'm doubting he lasts any more than ten seconds. Kenobi is powerful but he'd lose to Reylo+Praetorians pretty solidly on his own, add Snoke who would cream Kenobi without any outside help and this becomes a laughable spite thread.

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@sirfizzwhizz: lol are you mad? You’re*

Small ass boulders? You’re high.

& I only thought this was movie Kenobi since you pictured him, not clone wars. Even though it is canon. Jeez do you get f*cking worked up lmao

& movie wise, Luke, Obi, Dooku and Palp haven’t shown anything besides the fight with Yoda that have been on par with Rey’s “small ass boulders”

Oh I get mad Irage. I will tell Luther Strode creator to suk m dick, and have lol. Dont say the wrong thing around me, or face the lash of my words.

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@dark-sith123: The feats are all one of a kind and lack any consistency. Likely this is due to an attempt to tottaly re-imagine the "force" ala highlander 2's use of aliens. Snoke is hype with one actual feat against a force sensitive with a couple actual feats, and those are vs another force sensitive whose best feats are off panel (knights of ryn). Kylo one moment can casually TK a blaster shot then struggles with basic padawan stuff. I say this not to be critical of the film but it's haphazard interpretation of force lore does not translate well. Obi has wrecked much better teams in much better fashion than Ryn and Rey combined. Please stop tooting snoke's horn also...as I said he is basically featless and apparently a star wars equivalent to a redshirt.

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#35 Posted by GoofTheFloof (372 posts) - - Show Bio

Dooku wins

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#36 Posted by Alavanka (2409 posts) - - Show Bio

Ehhhhh, Obiwan would struggle with Snoke, because apparently he's more powerful than Sidious in the force and Dooku pinned him with the force in ep 3.

That said, Obiwan would absolutely school Kylo, Rey, and the praetorian guards in saber combat.

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@alavanka said:

Snoke, because apparently he's more powerful than Sidious in the force

LOL no

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#38 Posted by Dawn_of_Ages (2401 posts) - - Show Bio

What did Snoke do that so very much impressive lol

Being unable to prevent his own death while narrating it.

Snoke dies

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#39 Posted by NoQualms (305 posts) - - Show Bio

Whats the best team Obiwan has taken out by him self.If it was strictly sabers i'd probably go obi wan but the team seems likk a lot especially if its just movie.

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basically, the skywalker blood doesn't fall far from the tree. just insert ren for vader. we all know how that turned out. who knows about snoke. that tk feat was pretty flipping awesome, but what else has he done that is incredible? :/

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Obi Won should stomp:

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#44 Posted by KeenCraft (741 posts) - - Show Bio

I definitely see Kenobi beating those (less than?)magnaguard level opponents with some time of course. This scenario presses him, but I dont see him ever being in legitimate danger given his fighting style.

As for Rey and Kylo together, I dont see how anyone can decisively conclude that they can beat Obi Wan. There is absolutely no way they are beating his soresu in saber combat, and we lack the material to judge whether Rey or Kylos combative force application will break his defenses. Though I definitely "see" their victory as a possibility, we should lack the evidence to actually give them a victory.

Snoke is a completely different story however. I can easily see him ragdolling Kenobi. Unfortunately I lack anything to really impart judgment. Hype is the only thing I can see lol.

@youshallnotpass: What the hell are you reading. I never claimed it was the most impressive thing in SW just impressive. Snoke didn't just TK her he did so with no effort. Kylo beat the entire Jedi Accademy and the Praetorian gaurds as well as Finn (Who's highly trained with meele weapons and Kylo had been shot in the stomach by something that would have killed Obi Wan given he literally cried like a baby after getting tapped with a lightsaber. He didn't get struck he was tapped. Kylo endured multiple strikes and was still standing after already being shot. I'm not claiming he wins solo just that he can give a fight and that he wins with Rey's help.

Praetorian gaurds as well as Finn (Who's highly trained with meele weapons

But still non force sensitive with non force sensitive speed and no precog. ( Very Low speed and perception showing, though I recognize his emotionally distraught state + injury)

Kylo had been shot in the stomach by something that would have killed Obi Wan

This is an incorrect analysis. The novelisation explains the feat: at first I thought, like you, it was a durability feat but it turns out Kylo dampened the bolts damage greatly with tutaminis. (Though its a decent tutaminis feat)

given he literally cried like a baby after getting tapped with a lightsaber. He didn't get struck he was tapped. Kylo endured multiple strikes and was still standing after already being shot

Also incorrect, both parties lack the technical expertise that Dooku has. He posseses the masterful precision to incapacitate an opponent with felling blows. Every strike Dooku makes is perfectly calculated and hitting vital areas necessary to stand or strike.

Finn has some melee combat experience, but not with a lightsaber and he is getting lucky if he places a blow. Rey posesses no technical skill, she is self taught. You can tell she fares a lot worse than Finn until her plot induced force amp (which is a pretty decent "force valor(?)" feat given her level.

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Yoda with all his power holding a mountain size foot from killing him. Said mountain was also force resistant to TK.

Wait whats that? Rey lifted some small ass boulders the size of a human?

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This is utterly ridiculous, do not lowball something as immense as that. Though I agree it is somewhat PIS, she still managed to do it. It shows her potential if nothing else and it is an incredible feat. (Though she is yet to apply it to combat in any way shape or form). Considering she is untrained, I doubt it is even something she could replicate in combat (YET).

It isnt something we can compare or scale to other characters however, as she is untrained. I agree with you in this respect.

@youshallnotpass: Ah more lowballing. Funny how people never actually back up their claims. Rey lifted huge rocks with no strain which is more impressive than a lot of SW universe people can do. Kylo's has done things never shown before with the force in Star Wars and Rey equalled him. Kylo's froze blaster bolts knocked Rey out with a wave of his hand invaded people's minds ect. Lowballing. I shouldn't be surprised but I am.

Other than the boulder feat, this is riduiculous unless you meant "in canon". Also most of these powers were demonstrated against non force sensitives. Rey has little active force defense as she was completely untrained. She subconsciously holds basic barriers that she doesnt know exist. The "force stasis" feat on the blaster bolt is probably the only truly impressive showing and even that is only due to his reaction time. Though force sensitives such as Darth Maul have reacted to near point blank bolts before, he could be comparable in speed if not for getting knicked by Finn.

Though dont misunderstand me, in raw power he seems like one of the most impressive acolytes/knights to date. Most definitely

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Now that Im done with my rant Im going to post Obi wans most impressive feat.

He stomps due to this single showing:

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#46 Posted by KeenCraft (741 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: lol are you mad? You’re*

Small ass boulders? You’re high.

& I only thought this was movie Kenobi since you pictured him, not clone wars. Even though it is canon. Jeez do you get f*cking worked up lmao

& movie wise, Luke, Obi, Dooku and Palp haven’t shown anything besides the fight with Yoda that have been on par with Rey’s “small ass boulders”

Im sorry, by "fight with Yoda" I sincerely hope you meant this:

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And not the act of fighting Yoda itself.

Lol because that is exponentially beyond the boulder thing.

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#47 Posted by deactivated-5bf470b432518 (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

@keencraft: Yes I meant in cannon. Don't worry I'm not that crazy.

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#49 Edited by americanspeeddemon (7121 posts) - - Show Bio

Rey is definitely comparable to Obi-Wan in Force Power. I don't know why people brought up Dooku not being able to ragdoll Obi-wan. We know the gap in force power has to be massive. I mean Vader had trouble ragdolling season 2 Kanan. The act of ragdolling a force sensitive is also held back by the fact that things "alive" in the force are much harder to manipulate.

Ragdolling Rey without even a gesture at times is a feat above even Dooku's caliber imo. And let's not forget this is a guy who knew things only sidious also knew and who post RotJ Luke went to for teaching.

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#50 Posted by deactivated-5b17f1b84ea5f (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless Rey activates Mary Sue powers Obi is winning this.