@anthp2000 said:
@the_wspanialy:
Just because Clint doesn't have enough screentime to constantly take on Black Panther level threats 1 on 1 doesn't mean he can't do it if he has to. He has the in universe/on paper standing as an Avenger who can fight some of the best fighters in the world and it makes perfect sense that he'd be this good.
There is no inconsistency between the whole BW/WS and Hawkeye/BP thing like you seem to think. Black Widow landed her best hits on Bucky and tried to snap him out of mind control with elbows to the head till last second - as it was confirmed in the literation of the fight from the HC tie in - but she couldn't, so she got pinned down trying. Doesn't mean she couldn't actually fight him 1 on 1 for a while if she had to like Clint did against Panther. The difference is that Clint knew he just had to hold off T'Challa, Natasha was direct and agressive because she tried to stop him for good - either by incapacitating him or overcoming the mind control. If she had to, she'd just jump off of his back and attempt to dodge and grapple 1 on 1 head on. But there was no point in that. So no, this is no proof that someone on Clint's level can't fight T'Challa.
BoF mentioned his inability to just grab the staff and one shot Clint from the get go. Clint was good enough to prevent this from happening. Unless you have actual evidence on the contrary - as in anti-feats for this fight - he's just that good.
Four movies (not counting the Thor cameo) and all of tie-in material is more than enough to firmly establish his martial standing and give him at least clear victory over an accomplished martial artist or skilled superhuman fighter. Apparently the directors/writers didn't see the need. Stop hiding behind screentime and in universe/on paper standing and face the facts. Clint has barely any buisness going against Natasha, less alone someone with comparable level of skill, much better stats, virtually impenetrable armor and willingness to kill. Unless you can prove that Clint's staff packs more of a punch than high-caliber gunfire, Winter Soldier's uppercut or Captain America's shield throw, T'Challa could just went head on into Clint's swings, laugh in his face and one-punch him.
No amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that when he's gone against any skilled fighter in the MCU, he lost. You could put as much of a spin on that as you want to, and show how Clint blocked that attack here or parried that punch there but end of the day the result is the same, he lost.
Similarly, no amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that Bucky treated Nat like an ant, despite numerous circumstancial factors in her favour.
So because you do not like Clint being a good fighter, he isn't? Even though there is no evidence of him not being? You realise that argument is flawed at its core because the burden of proof is on you and you alone here? Show me evidence of Clint being bad, or not good enough to do what he did. Then you can convince me it's PIS.
No amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that when he's gone against any skilled fighter in the MCU, he lost. You could put as much of a spin on that as you want to, and show how Clint blocked that attack here or parried that punch there but end of the day the result is the same, he lost.
Let's see... discarding the fight with T'Challa in question, the named characters he's fought are Akihiko the Yakuza leader, who he beat and.... Widow. So because he lost to Widow who's pretty much confirmed by statement as the best fighter in these movies he's bad? What?
'Mental gymnastics' - there's no mental gymnastics involved in describing what happened. Natasha unarmed never stood a chance against Bucky, she got dropped trying. Neither does Clint with just a staff against a geared up Black Panther, he eventually lost. Your point by my understanding was that Clint did better against T'Challa than his superior did against a Super Soldier; which is wrong because the mindsets and circumstances were entirely different. Nat tried to stop him till last second and went down landing her best hits, Clint fought him head on to give Bucky time. So your argument to say Clint's feat is inconsistent is wrong. Your train of thought is basically "Nat didn't last as long", well Nat had no reason to last longer, she tried to snap him out of it with all she got and failed. That doesn't mean she cannot dodge and parry like Clint did against Panther, and therefore it doesn't mean Clint doing that is not legit.
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