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Posted by SaltySultan (261 posts) 2 months, 19 days ago

Poll: How fast is the SDS verse and the God Tiers? (72 votes)

FTE 7%
Supersonic 1%
Supersonic+ 1%
Hypersonic 3%
Hypersonic+ 3%
High Hypersonic 7%
MHS 10%
MHS+ (Lightning timing) 25%
MHS++ 28%
Sub-Rel 4%
Sub-rel+ 3%
Relativsitic 4%
Lightspeed 7%
Omnipresent 13%

Speed in NNT is quite a hot topic. Some believe the verse is only at lightning timing based on feats, others believe it is easily quad digit mach based on scaling. Others use Galands feat to reach high MHS+ NNT and others say that it is neither based on a consistent amount of antifeats.

What do you think?

This poll is for the top speed in the verse, not the overall speed of the characters.

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#101 Edited by ourmanuel (11395 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: disregard everything I just said.

Even with proper math, the time for their fight would still be aroun 0.04-0.06 seconds at most.

I and others disagreed with the manner in which you got that number(streak gave the reasoning above), but after looking at a graph, it seems the end result won’t chnage much.

Still, that’s about 2 times more than you had initially claimed

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#102 Edited by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

@streak619: Seeing as the cup is solely under the effects of gravity(thus the direct definition of freefall) which like you just said the earth with accelerate ANY object at 9 MPS, you're very much so running yourself in circles here. It seems you're just arguing with me to argue with me, could it simply be im using whole numbers instead to avoid extra math?

I've clarified over several times what I meant to do and and by god it shouldnt take a physical science class to understand it.

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#103 Edited by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

Still, that’s about 2 times more than you had initially claimed

Wow, that's it. Being civil clearly doesn't work on intentional ignorance So you mean to tell me I'm at fault for something tha you simply couldn't understand?

Freefall speed is 9 Meters per second or 29.5 fps which would mean the fight happened in roughly 0.03 seconds if we're using the halfway point where it began of a single foot, double that to get the time of the Full length drop, halve that to get the quarter length sequences.

My god what do I have to do read the damn argument to you myself? These boards are total trash, I need to meet someone like myself here because it's like a lighthouse in a storm basically.

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#104 Posted by shirso (4027 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: Acceleration is not velocity dude. Distance/Acceleration not equal to time. So you can't divide 2ft by 9.8, 9 or whatever to arrive at a time.

Because 9.8m/s^2 is earth's gravitational accelerationnot speed.
I am seriously doubting now whether you even know the difference between acceleration and speed.

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#105 Edited by ourmanuel (11395 posts) - - Show Bio

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@shirso said:

@hope_w: Acceleration is not velocity dude. Distance/Acceleration not equal to time. So you can't divide 2ft by 9.8, 9 or whatever to arrive at a time.

Because 9.8m/s^2 is earth's gravitational accelerationnot speed.

I am seriously doubting now whether you even know the difference between acceleration and speed.

This this this

@hope_w you’re missing the point.

If you did the math correctly, your result would be different(but close enough)

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The y-axis is distance in feet

The x-axis is time in seconds

To drop from table-top to 1 foot(the halfway point where the battle properly begins) it would take about 0.177 seconds

To drop from the halfway point(1 foot) to when Mel caught it(either 1.5 or 1.75 feet) it would take either:

0.234 - 0.177 = 0.057 or 0.6 seconds low end(likely when caught it)

0.216 - 0.177 = 0.04 seconds high end(likely when the battle ended)

A 2 foot drop wouldve taken about 0.25 seconds.

Damn it man, you’ve made me resort to using vsbattles tier calcs for things like this.

Your result isn’t the problem but rather the way you did it. That’s the real reason why we’re disagreeing with you, people got confused by your method(which is wrong).

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#106 Edited by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

Freefall =/= Terminal Velocity

Acceleration is nothing but a measure in the change of velocity, irrelevant when measuring freefall.

And last but not least the 5th grade common knowledge that Time = D/S:

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So not only did you not read my response, you're arguing with me over something I never claimed and are proving it to be to difficult to understand simple multiplication and division. Claims I don't know the difference between acceleration and velocity yet fails to realize no force is being exerted on said object, thus freefall.

Jaw dropping incompetence that should be in all cases bannable.

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#107 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4589 posts) - - Show Bio

Come on guys the cup was obviously falling at light speed.

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#108 Edited by SaltySultan (261 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: Thanks for posting these scans and reasoning, I like the way you have presented your arguments and I find myself agreeing with you.

@shirso@ourmanuel I fail to see what both of your problems are with his post, read it again and it makes complete perfect sense. The argument is based on how Nakaba choses to present speed in NNT and how he draws his fights.

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#109 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1361 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao at meliodas having millisecond or picosecond move speed. Even based it off going FTE to actual high end human perceptions.

Going by that logic SS arc kenpachi (not known for speed) would be mach 6.7k lol

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#110 Posted by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

Yea, 'picosecond' Meliodas. Holy crap this is an unnesecary handful.

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#111 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1361 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: like I said that would make SS arc kenpachi at least mach 7k

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/103/11

https://www.mangareader.net/bleach/103/13

That's him blitzing ichigo like he's a legit statue. If we use your basis for a calcs and only have it at the "low" end. That's at the very least 40 meters in .012 seconds

That leads to 7745 mph. Does that make any sense to you?

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#112 Posted by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: except not only do you have no basis of ichigos speed like I clearly do Meliodas with an on panel stated timeframe you have absolutely no sound logic of how you ended up with mach 7k nor is mach 7k anywhere near picosecond timing. That's legitimate plot amped wally west speed levels.

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#113 Edited by ourmanuel (11395 posts) - - Show Bio

@saltysultan said:

@shirso@ourmanuel I fail to see what both of your problems are with his post, read it again and it makes complete perfect sense. The argument is based on how Nakaba choses to present speed in NNT and how he draws his fights.

We were specifically talking about the teacup feat. His result was kinda correct, but the way he got to it was wrong. Im guessing most people didn’t calc it themselves so when they saw his calc, even if the result was correct they wouldn’t have known but instead would have focused on the glaring error that he made in his method.

His arrogance is just blinding him to the fact that he’s wrong, and instead he prefers to throw insults lmao.

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#114 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1361 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: ichigo speed was based on the actual human perception that you used in your calc. I don't need his speed just what the peak human perception is.

Also this is kenpachi during SS arc. He was arguably the slowest captain in the arc. Not to mention bleach characters get way faster after this

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#115 Posted by katanalauncher (3614 posts) - - Show Bio

MHS+, they don't really have feats to put them into sub-relativistic level as far as I'm aware.

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#116 Edited by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry if I seem agitated by the you can't comprehend simple division even though it's been explained well over several times. It's just not within me to pity a fully capable human being.

If you're going to attempt to call someone on something by all means get it right.

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#117 Posted by Sy8000 (35230 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Cruel Sun launched Estrossa 50km in what didn't look like more than a second. Meliodas and Escanor both reacted to Cruel Sun at point blank.

That's all I got.

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#118 Posted by SevenDeadlyGOD (196 posts) - - Show Bio

faster than light

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#119 Posted by ourmanuel (11395 posts) - - Show Bio

This dude legit doesn’t know what freefall is, yet he’s so quick to make fun of others...

Lmao

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#120 Posted by SevenDeadlyGOD (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: Good post, I hate how people lowball speed on this site and just ignore on panel evidence.

I calced that feat using Merlin's irrefutable canon confirmed casting time (faster than lightning) and got around relativistic Galand. NNT has a multitude of amazing speed feats but people cry that it's inconsistent or muh 'speed of sound Arthur' and other utterly laughable claims. I had someone try to tell me the tea feat isn't even subsonic.

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#121 Edited by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

If you're still struggling to define freefall after several links aswell as a Google search has been provided I'm afraid you aren't qualified to conversate with me.

So yes I'm quick to make fun of the lesser skilled, incompetent, hair-brained and otherwise illogical users like yourself. I'm not making fun of you for having a different opinion more so your inability to digest fact and being ignorant on the second law of motion, which is taught around the 4th-5th grade in the American Education system. If your feelings are hurt or you feel insulted it's No one's fault but your own I'm afraid. I however dont care one way or the other, I hope you stay mad.

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#122 Posted by KingCrimson (5573 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: I’ve honestly never read a more cringe worthy post in my life. To have the audacity to refer to other posters as “lesser skilled, incompetent, hair-brained and otherwise illogical” like some complete pseudo-intellectual knobhead when all they did was point out to you that acceleration =/= velocity (which is completely right, btw) is frightening.

You wanna check that superiority complex you have man, it will do you no favours.

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#123 Edited by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingcrimson: its even more cringe worthy when you attempt to put those words in my mouth, make it seem like I'm implicating such, then telling me I'm wrong after I explained otherwise over several times. If anything is truly frightening it's your inability to properly grasp the full context.

I don't think I have a complex, and even if I did who cares what you think of me? I'm doing myself a favor right now by bothering you without the need to even directly conversate with you, I call that a perk tbh.

Oh, and if you haven't noticed by now none of these 'insults' are taken seriously by either parties.

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#124 Posted by ourmanuel (11395 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: I’ve honestly never read a more cringe worthy post in my life. To have the audacity to refer to other posters as “lesser skilled, incompetent, hair-brained and otherwise illogical” like some complete pseudo-intellectual knobhead when all they did was point out to you that acceleration =/= velocity (which is completely right, btw) is frightening.

You wanna check that superiority complex you have man, it will do you no favours.

Basically this.

Im at a loss for words.

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#125 Posted by MindingMuffin (350 posts) - - Show Bio

MHS+, anything above that is pure speculation and speed has been shown to not scale with powerlevels at all.

However the verse has literally gone through about 3 major speed upgrades IIRC, Galand, Escanor and recently Demon King Meliodas so it'd be unfair to simply put them as 'lightning timing.'

They're somewhere in the mid quad digit mach range I'd imagine.

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#126 Posted by Consciouskeeper (1258 posts) - - Show Bio

7DS is too inconsistent.

Currently Ban and Meliodas could be MHS+

While characters like hawk are omnipresent

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#127 Edited by Coona34 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean Twigo, the first bad guy in the series, can attack at mach 20 and Meliodas casually outran that. So you tell me if you think that that ANY Sins character being in the supersonic-hypersonic range is even remotely feasible. Like I can't believe some people here believe that.

Anyways they're in the high 1000s of mach and Ominous Nebula is low end sub-rel if we were to powerscale.

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#128 Posted by ourmanuel (11395 posts) - - Show Bio

MHS+, sub-rel with things like omnous nebula.

I can’t imagine them being any slower than low MHS+

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#129 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3178 posts) - - Show Bio

^^^^^^^^^^^^

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#130 Posted by jashugan (6318 posts) - - Show Bio

Just from watching the anime, they're some level of supersonic given sonic booms and hypersonic with how far Galand jumped. Everything else is "I couldn't see this guy move" and some fake lightning dodging.

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#131 Edited by Coona34 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: The lightning isn't fake though, it comes from a thundercloud and there is even an in verse explanation that magic itself manipulates nature in order to be made so it is natural lightning. Plus the fact that Twigo, y'know the first damn villain in the entire manga, has an attack that has been calced at mach 20 I don't see how they are just supersonic.

Anyways any notion that the Sins are anything less than at least massively hypersonic has already been perfectly debunked by @hope_w.

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#132 Posted by jashugan (6318 posts) - - Show Bio

@coona34: You're saying a whole lot of nothing.

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#133 Edited by Coona34 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: And you tagged me to tell me this because? They are above supersonic.

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#134 Posted by Consciouskeeper (1258 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think anyone is light speed but they are causally faster than lightning.

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#135 Posted by jashugan (6318 posts) - - Show Bio

@coona34: Actually you tagged me first, then replied with a whole lot of nothing. What do you expect back?

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#136 Edited by Coona34 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: Can't be bothered with this, if you don't want to refute anything that's fine. Just know that your 'analysis' on NNT speed in this thread was a load of bull.

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#137 Edited by jashugan (6318 posts) - - Show Bio

@coona34: What the hell am I supposed to refute? I did no analysis on Seven Trashy Sins and you posted nothing to refute.

@coona34 said:

The lightning isn't fake though, it comes from a thundercloud and there is even an in verse explanation that magic itself manipulates nature in order to be made so it is natural lightning. Plus the fact that Twigo, y'know the first damn villain in the entire manga, has an attack that has been calced at mach 20 I don't see how they are just supersonic.

Anyways any notion that the Sins are anything less than at least massively hypersonic has already been perfectly debunked by @hope_w.

This is your post. You didn't post this "mach 20" calc. You posted no demonstrative feat for any god tiers or whatever. You don't even understand that if they were mach 20, that means they're supersonic.

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#138 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3178 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: Please tell me how Gilthunder's cloud to ground lightning is "fake".

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#139 Posted by jashugan (6318 posts) - - Show Bio

@worldofruin6: Gilthunder has magical lightning powers. So far, nothing I've seen indicates anyone is fighting at the speed of real life lightning.

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#140 Posted by emperorthanos- (16386 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a battle.

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