How fast is the SDS verse and the God Tiers?

Anybody who believes BoS Sins are anywhere near lightning timing is delusional

NNT is too inconsistent to scale everyone based on a few characters. With that power levels doesn't help anyone's case due to it not translating into speed, not that they should be used.

The verse has 1 source of MHS feats, yet a plethora of indepedent and explicit on panel anti-feats that are objectively irrefutable.

It's too inconsistent.

I won't be that surprised if the God-tiers would be around sub-rel by the end, but for now I'm going with MHS+/MHS++

@shirso: why????

@jieldre: Too many anti feats. Too much scaling. Too inconsistent

@shirso: hehhh?? how is it ''too much'' when it is just BoS??

its logical that you would scale from meliodas and gilthunder,no??

@jieldre: Exactly. All otye4 characters in series have no standalone feats and depend on scaling from the first 5 chapters. And BoS Mel has way too many anti feats for lightning timing to be consistent

what does them having no standalone feats have to do with anything?? if there is clear/proper scaling they dont need ''standalone'' feats.

what are Mels anti feats??

@jieldre: Some antifeats.

Arthur being surprised by Mel being faster than sound

The gang taking like 0.5 seconds to get to the Demon Form Dale, Zel being knocked out for 0.8 seconds and Ludo not blitzing during that time, Mel and Griamore having a full fight in the time it takes for a cup to fall. That's it I believe.

Whether you think these discredit MHS+ NNT is up to you, they exist though; sadly.

Problem with NNT is that it's this guy blized that guy and that guy is slower than this guy who got blitzed by this guy. NNT has the same speed scaling Bleach has (NNT is more consistent though).

I hold the belief that BOS Sins are at least MHS.

@ovy7: @mr_ingenuity: @shirso:

got this scan from Hope.

This is definitely HS+ combat speed around BOS and it’s casual.

@shirso:

Zeldris actually has a feat reacting to Light...

Not a light speed attack... light.

@saltysultan:

These are all from the beginning of the series before Male got his powered back.

@ourmanuel: They threw like, 10-15 punches for an object likely falling at 9.8 m/s. Nowhere near MHS.

@faradaysloth: my point was mainly about their processing speed.

That entire fight would have occurred in about 0.6 seconds. It should be around low end MHS.

Edit: oops, I meant hypersonic, not MHS

@ourmanuel: A hypersonic character would travel a few kilometers in 0.6s

@streak619: so what would you call that feat in terms of processing/combat?

@ourmanuel: It's only a street tier feat unfortunately. It's at best FTE. And it's one of the many anti-feats that makes me distrust all the BoS lightning scaling.

That's well above street level and performed casually so it couldn't be a low showing anyway given it wasn't his limit.

I can understand your line of reasoning but not using that instance to prove it.

Lol @ street level BOS sins. At the slowest MHS. At the fastest MHS++.

@streak619: You call that an anti feat but a post time skip character that can run 100 km/hr in One Piece is considered fast is OK? One Piece has more strong anti feats than SDS, don’t be bias dude.

Zeldris’ ominous nebula attack is flat out stated to be FTL as well and directly stated to not be an exaggeration.

NNT debating pulls a fast one saying Zeldris being FTL based on statements. I don't want to see any complaining if any other series does the same...

@streak619: I thought I was replying to Shirsio, lmao.

And how was it a mistranslation?

@faradaysloth: Zeldris isn’t FTL must his ominous nebula was (unless it was a mistranslation). Rudociel also has the power of light.

@shirso: read post 22, that was made for you.

These "anti feats" are the type of thing that happen in pretty much every manga/comic ever.

We have multiple instances of BOS Mel casually reacting to cloud to ground lightening and only very weak "anti-feats" to refute that. Some aren't even anti feats.

You could find this stuff in any Manga. The idea that people in a manga must be constantly blitzing/acting at their full speed constantly is absurd. If that was the case Naruto and Bleach 's entire storyline should take place over the span of a couple days based on their speed.

@saltysultan: Arthur being surprised at Mel fighting faster than sound isn’t an anti-feat. The first flaw in that reasoning is that MHS is faster than sound, so it offers no contradiction.

Without modern science or google to tell you how fast light/lightning is, the only thing you can deduce from watching a lightning bolt and then hearing the thunder afterwards is that it’s faster than sound.

You could replace that scene with Arthur watching a lightning storm and coming to the same conclusion, it wouldn’t mean that light/lightning is just above supersonic.

“If that was the case Naruto and Bleach 's entire storyline should take place over the span of a couple days based on their speed.”

Possibly one of the dumbest claims I have seen on this site. Most arcs DO take only a day or a little more, an entire storyline has nothing to do with their speed lmao.

Not fast enough.

@alextheboss: Ominous nebula being FTL was a fan mistranlation, there was nothing about light speed in japanese and later official translations, all its said was "god-like speed" or something like that.

MHS+, hypersonic if we ignore the lightning feat. NNT is probably the most inconsistent shounen when it comes to speed bar maybe Fairy Tail. It's all A blitzed B ABC scaling.

What is it with mangakas and “god-like speed”?

@kingcrimson: To be honest I was playing devils advocate there, I don't think that any of those are true antifeats and you're completely correct.

@ourmanuel: I still don't know if that is the actual translation, I still haven't received proof that it was a mistranslation honestly.

Obviously an outlier but still.

@faradaysloth: There was a conversation the other day surrounding the amount of time it take people to perform actions based on their speed. My point was that the amount of time that characters take to perform basic actions has no bearing on their top level speed.

For example we see Bleach characters walking/jogging when they are in a hurry sometimes. Or when we see Naruto characters have drawn out conversations where they would logically get blitzed. Any one can see that actions like those are not reflective of their actual speed.

If that's one of the dumbest statements you have seen then you must not read many comments on here.

@kingcrimson:

Arthur being surprised at Mel fighting faster than sound isn’t an anti-feat. The first flaw in that reasoning is that MHS is faster than sound, so it offers no contradiction.

He broke the sound barrier after he got serious. If he were high MHS like the fandom believes he was at that point then using around 0.3% of his speed would have been enough. But clearly it wasn't potrayed to be such a fodderish feat.

Official translation didn't mention FTL.

@streak619: That doesn’t change anything I’ve just said. That attack might of been Mach 30, it might of been Mach 300, it might of been Mach 3000.

The only objective conclusion that can be drawn from that feat is that Meliodas was moving above Mach 1. It’s not an anti-feat to him being MHS.

@man_of_miracles: For example we see Bleach characters walking/jogging when they are in a hurry sometimes. Or when we see Naruto characters have drawn out conversations where they would logically get blitzed. Any one can see that actions like those are not reflective of their actual speed.

This is accurate. Along with DBS characters not crossing the ToP stage instantly, OP character taking time to cross islands, Naruto failing to react to kirin at VOTE, etc. There are a lot of speed inconsistencies that happen in fiction, and yet people ignore them.

IIRC, there's also a feat from Monspier (?) where he throws a lance towards the Sins, 100 miles away, and they mention that the lance would hit them in 10 seconds, which puts the attack at mach 47.

@streak619: What did the official translation say then?

The fact that he broke the sound barrier in and of itself is not what makes it an anti-feat. I acknowledge that MHS is faster than sound and that statement in and of itself is not an anti-feat. What makes it an anti-feat is the fact that he had to get bloodlusted to break the sound barrier. Meaning he couldn't break the sound barrier without using his absolute full speed. Which irrefutably contradicts him being high MHS.

@ovy7: you mean the lance that Mel caught and threw back at him?

I have a feeling Gil’s lightning isn’t as fast as Natural lightning but if we say it is then NNT characters are definitely in the MHS ++ range.

Galans feat against Merlin is over exaggerated though, it’s definitely not a quad digit mach feat.

Oooo I live these types of threads. Where to begin...

This is likely the main reason why after rereading NNT I put them lower than what I originally had them. Why should I believe they can blitz characters from other series who have quantifiable speed feats?