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#1 Edited by rogueshadow (29434 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules:

  • Same set-up as the Battle of the Goldroad, but this time the Lannisters have not been weakened by the Wot5K. Tywin's scouts spotted Daenerys approaching rapidly, giving the Lannister army 5 minutes to prepare before she will come upon them with all of her might.
  • Which army wins?

House Lannister:

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Leader: Tywin Lannister

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Battle Commanders:

  • Ser Jaime Lannister; The Kingslayer
  • Sandor Clegane; The Hound
  • Ser Gregor Clegane; The Mountain that Rides
  • Ser Bronn; of the Blackwater

Forces:

  • 40,000 Soldiers
  • 10,000 Men-at-Arms/Armoured Lances
  • 5000 Archers
  • 5000 Mounted Knights
  • 5 Scorpions

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Dothraki Army:

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Leader: Daenerys Targaryen

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Forces:

  • 100,000 Dothraki
  • Drogon
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#2 Edited by DarthFallax (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

Prolly the Dothraki due to Drogon, cavalry and Numbers.

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#3 Posted by macleen (3654 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think 5minutes is enough for them to mount a defense against that amount of cavalry.

Also no matter how prepped they are, the sight of the Dragon would make more than half the soldiers on the Lannister side sh*t themselves.

There only hope is if Bronn goes for the "Dragonkiller" and kill the Dragon with a the first shot while Drogon is unprepared for it.

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#4 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

The Dothraki win.

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#5 Edited by rogueshadow (29434 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys are underrating the potency of a vanguard of thousands of highly skilled, disciplined and armoured knights/mounted lances. And the Lannister soldiers were honestly really impressive in how quickly they got into formation. Five minutes with this many knights to line them up and a general as experienced as Tywin and this many beastly battle commanders spread throughout to keep them in check? Plus five scorpions rather than one? Lannisters could take this in my opinion.

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#6 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5059 posts) - - Show Bio

Drogon is only reason they win without they get stomped

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#7 Posted by FatherChaos (2668 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the 5 scorpions definitely make this a Lannister win, considering just one was all it took to almost bring down Drogon and Daenerys.

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#8 Edited by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Jaime say that the Dothraki were the best warriors he has ever seen ?
As long as there a more or equal amount of Dothraki soldiers, they should win.

Drogon is overkill.

Edit: The archers would give the lannisters the edge, if they had equal amount of troops, but the number advantage still gives the Dothraki the victory imo (40.000 more Dothraki ? Cmon now ...)

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#9 Posted by rogueshadow (29434 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Jaime say that the Dothraki were the best warriors he has ever seen ?

As long as there a more or equal amount of Dothraki soldiers, they should win.

Drogon is overkill.

Edit: The archers would give the lannisters the edge, if they had equal amount of troops, but the number advantage still gives the Dothraki the victory imo (40.000 more Dothraki ? Cmon now ...)

You underestimate knights and lances who are armoured in full plate (along with their horses), disciplined (this is massive imo) and as or probably on average more skilled than the Dothraki. Unarmoured, undisciplined Dothraki whose weapons can't pierce plate will crumple against the initial Vanguard of armoured lances and the intermittent layers Tywin would inevitably assemble. Numbers are their key advantage aside from Drogon.

Jaime said no army could stop them, but you have to put that in context of where we're at, he's right because there's no army left that can stop them, they're all either allied with somebody else or ravaged. It's easy to forget that as powerful as Daenerys seems, she is storming a war-torn, divided, weakened land. How they fair against the Golden Company's armoured, disciplined troops and elephants will certainly be interesting.

The 60 - 100,000 is accurate to the actual army sizes.

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#10 Posted by KingCrimson (5855 posts) - - Show Bio

Jamie seemed genuinely frightened of the Dothraki, and it's been mentioned more than once now (IIRC) that nobody can hope to beat them on an open field.

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#11 Edited by thatduderox (1034 posts) - - Show Bio
@rogueshadow said:
@ithemanwithoutfeari said:

Didn't Jaime say that the Dothraki were the best warriors he has ever seen ?

As long as there a more or equal amount of Dothraki soldiers, they should win.

Drogon is overkill.

Edit: The archers would give the lannisters the edge, if they had equal amount of troops, but the number advantage still gives the Dothraki the victory imo (40.000 more Dothraki ? Cmon now ...)

You underestimate knights and lances who are armoured in full plate (along with their horses), disciplined (this is massive imo) and as or probably on average more skilled than the Dothraki. Unarmoured, undisciplined Dothraki whose weapons can't pierce plate will crumple against the initial Vanguard of armoured lances and the intermittent layers Tywin would inevitably assemble. Numbers are their key advantage aside from Drogon.

Jaime said no army could stop them, but you have to put that in context of where we're at, he's right because there's no army left that can stop them, they're all either allied with somebody else or ravaged. It's easy to forget that as powerful as Daenerys seems, she is storming a war-torn, divided, weakened land. How they fair against the Golden Company's armoured, disciplined troops and elephants will certainly be interesting.

The 60 - 100,000 is accurate to the actual army sizes.

Robert was afraid of them too. And this was before Westeros was torn apart by The War of Five Kings. Like Jaime, Robert seemed to think that fighting these guys on an open field was nearly guaranteed loss. Plus we really do have to take into account the psychological effect that Drogon has on people.

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#12 Posted by Thorthunder98 (6877 posts) - - Show Bio

Feel like Drogon still gives Dany a huge edge

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#13 Posted by rogueshadow (29434 posts) - - Show Bio

@rogueshadow said:
@ithemanwithoutfeari said:

Didn't Jaime say that the Dothraki were the best warriors he has ever seen ?

As long as there a more or equal amount of Dothraki soldiers, they should win.

Drogon is overkill.

Edit: The archers would give the lannisters the edge, if they had equal amount of troops, but the number advantage still gives the Dothraki the victory imo (40.000 more Dothraki ? Cmon now ...)

You underestimate knights and lances who are armoured in full plate (along with their horses), disciplined (this is massive imo) and as or probably on average more skilled than the Dothraki. Unarmoured, undisciplined Dothraki whose weapons can't pierce plate will crumple against the initial Vanguard of armoured lances and the intermittent layers Tywin would inevitably assemble. Numbers are their key advantage aside from Drogon.

Jaime said no army could stop them, but you have to put that in context of where we're at, he's right because there's no army left that can stop them, they're all either allied with somebody else or ravaged. It's easy to forget that as powerful as Daenerys seems, she is storming a war-torn, divided, weakened land. How they fair against the Golden Company's armoured, disciplined troops and elephants will certainly be interesting.

The 60 - 100,000 is accurate to the actual army sizes.

Robert was afraid of them too. And this was before Westeros was torn apart by The War of Five Kings. Like Jaime, Robert seemed to think that fighting these guys on an open field was nearly guaranteed loss. Plus we really do have to take into account the psychological effect that Drogon has on people.

Jorah and Rakharo also broke down the benefits of plate armour and sword over the Arakh in their discussion though, and it showed later against Qotho, a younger, perhaps more technically skilled fighter, who still lost to Jorah. Agreed about Drogon. But what kind of morale boost would it be for the Lannisters if they felled him, and what a kick in the balls to the Dothraki morale if they see him die?

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#14 Posted by cdiddyman911 (5540 posts) - - Show Bio

Dothraki make the Lannister backs go cracki.

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#15 Posted by destinyman75 (15261 posts) - - Show Bio

Same outcome just Las a little longer

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#16 Posted by Jack_Hart (958 posts) - - Show Bio

The Dothraki outnumber the Lannister forces 2 to 1 and their riders and archers 20 to 1. The Dothraki bows have superior range to the Lannister bows, they can fire on horseback, charging or retreating. And the Dothraki have air superiority in Drogon.

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#17 Posted by deactivated-5aad0467ddfcf (965 posts) - - Show Bio

drogon still roasts them. take him out of it and it would actually be interesting. robert did say fighting dothraki in an open field is stupid madness

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#18 Posted by LuminousHydra (1040 posts) - - Show Bio

Season 8 bump

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#19 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (9488 posts) - - Show Bio

😂...Dothraki stomp!

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#20 Posted by buildhare (8760 posts) - - Show Bio

Dothraki would have steam rolled the Lannisters with or without Drogon. With him you could give the Lannisters a hundred thousand men and it wouldn't matter.

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#21 Posted by BreakOfDawn (2493 posts) - - Show Bio

"Only a fool would meet The Dothraki in an open field" - Robert Baratheon

I trust the general of one of the most vicious wars in Westeros' history more than any theories from fans that the Lannisters could beat them if they weren't weakened. The Dothraki stomp.

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#22 Posted by G_Race (304 posts) - - Show Bio

@rogueshadow: a 40 000 troop advantage and a Dragon? Not to mention those troops are on horses, in what is essentially a flat field??!!

DRACARYS

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#23 Posted by BladeOfFury (3317 posts) - - Show Bio

Dany didn't have 100 000 Dothraki...

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#24 Posted by cromulor (2469 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury: Actually that’s exactly the number the show stated she had after she burned all the Khals.

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#25 Posted by Amcu (17079 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see the Dothraki losing. Implication was that they were superior to standard soldiers by a fair margin IMO.

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#26 Posted by BladeOfFury (3317 posts) - - Show Bio

@cromulor: Didn't Jorah/Daario say that number when trying to sneak her out? In the context of the conversation, it seemed like an over-exaggeration, especially considering that they didn't count.

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#27 Posted by cromulor (2469 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury: I don’t remember that, all I remember was that the number was stated in the show. However, honestly I feel like it would make sense. Khal Drogo had the largest Khalasar before he died and it was stated to number at a solid 40,000. I feel like 100,000 or close to it isn’t a bad number for literally every other Khalasar combined now under Dany.

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#28 Posted by thatduderox (1034 posts) - - Show Bio

After watching what Daenerys did to Kings Landing, this thread is almost laughable. The Lannister soldiers were rested, had the support of the Golden Company and Greyjoy Navel Fleet, and the advantage of being behind the walls of Kings Landing with scorpions lined up for defenses. None of that mattered when you're fighting the fantasy equivalent of a nuke. No one other than the Night King is standing up to a bloodlusted Dany on Drogon and a horde of Dothraki.

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#29 Posted by BladeOfFury (3317 posts) - - Show Bio

@cromulor: Drogo's Khalasar was unusually large.

The reason I am skeptical of this number is that Dany said that the army of the dead was 100 000 strong, and it would have been weird if the army of the living outnumbered the army of the dead. We saw how quickly the Dothraki were pummeled, and that likely wouldn't have happened if there were just as many Dothraki as wights.

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#30 Posted by cromulor (2469 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury: Well that’s the thing, Dany has used the Dothraki in plenty of battles since gaining them and we’ve seen them dying. So if 100k was the starting number, I doubt it was 100k by the time of Season 8 Episode 3. It would’ve probably still been a lot, but not that much. And yes, Drogo’s Khalasar was unusually large, but the show never gives us a definition of what the size of an actual Khalasar is and there’s like THIRTY Khals inside the Khalar Vezhven. That’s a lot of Khalasars and all we know is that Drogo’s Khalasar of 40,000 was unusually larger than any other individual Khalasar. I don’t see any reason to believe 100,000 isn’t a good number to go with.

And the whole “army of the dead is 100,000 Wights strong,” I mean that’s completely speculation on Dany’s part isn’t it? Mance Rayder was said to have 100,000 Wildlings (including men, women, children, and giants) under him and the White Walkers picked off several of the tribes near the Land of Always Winter before just straight up massacring and absorbing most of the Wildlings at Hardhome. That’s the only place I can guess the 100,000 Wights number comes from.

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@ithemanwithoutfeari said:

Didn't Jaime say that the Dothraki were the best warriors he has ever seen ?

As long as there a more or equal amount of Dothraki soldiers, they should win.

Drogon is overkill.

Edit: The archers would give the lannisters the edge, if they had equal amount of troops, but the number advantage still gives the Dothraki the victory imo (40.000 more Dothraki ? Cmon now ...)

You underestimate knights and lances who are armoured in full plate (along with their horses), disciplined (this is massive imo) and as or probably on average more skilled than the Dothraki. Unarmoured, undisciplined Dothraki whose weapons can't pierce plate will crumple against the initial Vanguard of armoured lances and the intermittent layers Tywin would inevitably assemble. Numbers are their key advantage aside from Drogon.

Jaime said no army could stop them, but you have to put that in context of where we're at, he's right because there's no army left that can stop them, they're all either allied with somebody else or ravaged. It's easy to forget that as powerful as Daenerys seems, she is storming a war-torn, divided, weakened land. How they fair against the Golden Company's armoured, disciplined troops and elephants will certainly be interesting.

The 60 - 100,000 is accurate to the actual army sizes.

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#32 Posted by rogueshadow (29434 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55: Mostly because of D&D's idiocy.

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#33 Edited by eri123 (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

Dothraki stomp,Drogon probably solos.

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#35 Posted by BladeOfFury (3317 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyway, there won't be a house Lannister by the end of this

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#36 Posted by 20damon (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

After watching what Daenerys did to Kings Landing, this thread is almost laughable. The Lannister soldiers were rested, had the support of the Golden Company and Greyjoy Navel Fleet, and the advantage of being behind the walls of Kings Landing with scorpions lined up for defenses. None of that mattered when you're fighting the fantasy equivalent of a nuke. No one other than the Night King is standing up to a bloodlusted Dany on Drogon and a horde of Dothraki.

This

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#37 Posted by FaradaySloth (10788 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember when the Scorpions meant a thing to Drogon?

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#38 Posted by Tony_Shark (2126 posts) - - Show Bio

Take away Drogon and it's a fair fight.

I mean, Dothraki still come out on top. Better mobility, skill, and archery.

Adding Drgon is overkill and completely demoralizing to the Lannister army.

5 scorpions dont mean anything when Drogon is blitzing around. Like when it did against all of The Iron Fleet

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#39 Edited by JediXMan (42884 posts) - - Show Bio

Any Dothraki beating any fully armored Lannister soldier is PIS. The plot swords were strong these last few seasons.

This is what happens when a highly skilled Dothraki fights a moderately skilled knight passed his prime.

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Skill means nothing against strong armor.

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Seasons 6-8 be damned. Armor means something, and the Dothraki can't do anything about it.

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#40 Posted by Wut (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Dothraki? The guys that never figured out the use of heavy cavalry or armor [You know, something all the other famous horse guys figured out? Mongols loved their heavy lancers]? That use a weird Khopesh on horseback with little signs of them primarily being horse archers and instead being some kind of weird light cavalry that think they are shock cavalry? The dudes that jump off their horses into the middle of a heavy infantry formation?... The guys that kept charging into spearmen head on over and over again [Unsullied]? Those guys?

Yeah, they are lucky the dragon is here.

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#41 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

Dothraki have 100,000 men and a dragon they stomp dragons seem to be able to dodge ballistas easily if they are aware of them see Drogon in S8E5 and Drogon has also dodged 2 Night King icicle spear attacks

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#42 Posted by IAmInEvitable (100 posts) - - Show Bio

@rogueshadow: If Dany is riding Drogon then he solos. He basically dodges every obstacle thrown at him when he has a rider.

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#43 Posted by Tony_Shark (2126 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: True, but aren't the horses and numbers a huge advantage? As well as terrain?

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#44 Posted by rogueshadow (29434 posts) - - Show Bio

@rogueshadow: If Dany is riding Drogon then he solos. He basically dodges every obstacle thrown at him when he has a rider.

D&D decided Dany couldn't deal with a dozen scorpions then that he could easily solo 25 of them. D&D kind of forgot about logic.

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#45 Posted by Richard96 (5831 posts) - - Show Bio

Take out Drogon and you get a battle.