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#1 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

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#2 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom could blitz him before he even reacts.

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#3 Posted by Exile-616 (1507 posts) - - Show Bio

Matthew would win without a doubt, since he has much more time-manipulating abilities than Zoom and even possesses Worlogog.

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#4 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio
@Exile-616 said:
"Matthew would win without a doubt, since he has much more time-manipulating abilities than Zoom and even possesses Worlogog."

Nice to see some one who knows what going on.
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#5 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@Exile-616 said:
" Matthew would win without a doubt, since he has much more time-manipulating abilities than Zoom and even possesses Worlogog. "
That is only assuming he has opportunity to activate the device. Zoom makes the rest of the world look like it isn't even moving: it wouldn't be difficult for him to see his opponent and destroy his machine before he can even use it.
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#6 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@sevennames27 said:
" @Exile-616 said:
"Matthew would win without a doubt, since he has much more time-manipulating abilities than Zoom and even possesses Worlogog."
Nice to see some one who knows what going on. "
It's funny that you should accuse me of not knowing what's going on when it looks like you don't know anything about Zoom.
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#7 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah he is the guy that should have dead because of his own powers.

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#8 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@sevennames27 said:
" Yeah he is the guy that should have dead because of his own powers. "
And your saying that will automatically retcon over ten years of comic books. OH WAIT!
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#9 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio

If you are honestly going to argue that he should be dead because of his powers, I would like to point out that Spider-man should have gotten cancer and died instead of superpowers, as would Daredevil. The entire concept of mutants and aliens is crazy. If you put a child in a space ship and that ship crash landed on a planet the child would die, not become Superman. It doesn't matter that he came from another planet, because by your logic he shouldn't have powers.

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#10 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

I can’t help it that in DC Comics there is no Logic.

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#11 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

Matthew Tyler

Hourman is a master at time control and manipulation. He can see the future and the past, travel through time, place himself out of phase with time, age and de-age people and perform many other feats with time. Hourman has enhanced strength, endurance and agility; he also has the ability to fly.

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#12 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@sevennames27 said:
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Matthew Tyler

Hourman is a master at time control and manipulation. He can see the future and the past, travel through time, place himself out of phase with time, age and de-age people and perform many other feats with time. Hourman has enhanced strength, endurance and agility; he also has the ability to fly.

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He can only manipulate time with the device that Worlogg gave him. If I am wrong on that then he can win, but otherwise Zoom could punch his head clear off his shoulders in between heartbeats.
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#13 Posted by Exile-616 (1507 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
" @Exile-616 said:
" Matthew would win without a doubt, since he has much more time-manipulating abilities than Zoom and even possesses Worlogog. "
That is only assuming he has opportunity to activate the device. Zoom makes the rest of the world look like it isn't even moving: it wouldn't be difficult for him to see his opponent and destroy his machine before he can even use it. "
Huh? Do you think that Hourman's only advantage is this device? You're not right. Matthew has got a lot of abilities related with time manipulation. He could easily avoid Zoom's time slowing down, because he can exist even outside of time.
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#14 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@Exile-616 said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @Exile-616 said:
" Matthew would win without a doubt, since he has much more time-manipulating abilities than Zoom and even possesses Worlogog. "
That is only assuming he has opportunity to activate the device. Zoom makes the rest of the world look like it isn't even moving: it wouldn't be difficult for him to see his opponent and destroy his machine before he can even use it. "
Huh? Do you think that Hourman's only advantage is this device? You're not right. Matthew has got a lot of abilities related with time manipulation. He could easily avoid Zoom's time slowing down, because he can exist even outside of time. "
I'm saying that Zoom's reaction time is faster than that though. That is what his fight comes down to: Who reacts faster.
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#15 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

Speed of light 186,300 miles per second/670,680,000 miles per hour

Average human foot speed 15 miles per hour

So Zoom would have to speed up his personal time field by 44,712,000 times.

There is about 525,600 minutes in a year.

So if he if he were to speed up his personal time field to allow him to run at light speed, for one minute real time he would age about 85 years.

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#16 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@sevennames27 said:
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Speed of light 186,300 miles per second/670,680,000 miles per hour

Average human foot speed 15 miles per hour

So Zoom would have to speed up his personal time field by 44,712,000 times.

There is about 525,600 minutes in a year.

So if he if he were to speed up his personal time field to allow him to run at light speed, for one minute real time he would age about 85 years.

"
Yet he has moved that fast, and he has not aged 85 years.
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#17 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
"@sevennames27 said:
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Speed of light 186,300 miles per second/670,680,000 miles per hour

Average human foot speed 15 miles per hour

So Zoom would have to speed up his personal time field by 44,712,000 times.

There is about 525,600 minutes in a year.

So if he if he were to speed up his personal time field to allow him to run at light speed, for one minute real time he would age about 85 years.

"
Yet he has moved that fast, and he has not aged 85 years."

PIS, some one was just to embarrassed about the flawed character they created or they were too stupid to realize the problem.

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#18 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@sevennames27 said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
"@sevennames27 said:
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Speed of light 186,300 miles per second/670,680,000 miles per hour

Average human foot speed 15 miles per hour

So Zoom would have to speed up his personal time field by 44,712,000 times.

There is about 525,600 minutes in a year.

So if he if he were to speed up his personal time field to allow him to run at light speed, for one minute real time he would age about 85 years.

"
Yet he has moved that fast, and he has not aged 85 years."

PIS, some one was just to embarrassed about the flawed character they created or they were too stupid to realize the problem.

"
So you're saying that a consecutive showing of power in a fictional book is wrong, but you are right? This is your whole arguement?
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#19 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
"@sevennames27 said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
"@sevennames27 said:
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Speed of light 186,300 miles per second/670,680,000 miles per hour

Average human foot speed 15 miles per hour

So Zoom would have to speed up his personal time field by 44,712,000 times.

There is about 525,600 minutes in a year.

So if he if he were to speed up his personal time field to allow him to run at light speed, for one minute real time he would age about 85 years.

"
Yet he has moved that fast, and he has not aged 85 years."

PIS, some one was just to embarrassed about the flawed character they created or they were too stupid to realize the problem.

"
So you're saying that a consecutive showing of power in a fictional book is wrong, but you are right? This is your whole arguement?"

I am saying logic is right.
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#20 Posted by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@sevennames27 said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
"@sevennames27 said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
"@sevennames27 said:
"

Speed of light 186,300 miles per second/670,680,000 miles per hour

Average human foot speed 15 miles per hour

So Zoom would have to speed up his personal time field by 44,712,000 times.

There is about 525,600 minutes in a year.

So if he if he were to speed up his personal time field to allow him to run at light speed, for one minute real time he would age about 85 years.

"
Yet he has moved that fast, and he has not aged 85 years."

PIS, some one was just to embarrassed about the flawed character they created or they were too stupid to realize the problem.

"
So you're saying that a consecutive showing of power in a fictional book is wrong, but you are right? This is your whole arguement?"
I am saying logic is right. "
Show me the logic in Superman. Show me the logic in Spider-man. Show me the logic in Mr. Sinister.

If that is your only arguement, I think this is over.
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#21 Edited by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom wins.

Androids don't exists.  Matthew Tyler's existance is clearly PIS.  Logically, he can't have been built so Zoom wins by default.

Huzzah!  Another victory for logic!

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#22 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is even more illogical than Zoom, the other at least have explanations for the inconsistencies.

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#23 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@sevennames27 said:
"Superman is even more illogical than Zoom"
One more reason why Zoom beats Superman.

Go logic!  Battles are fun with logic!  I wish comic books more logical, without so many silly things like people running at the speed of light, aliens and androids.  Then they'd be more....fun?
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#24 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

Logic is "The formal systematic study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning".

Logic can there for be applied even to an abstract or fictional object.

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#25 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio

I think you just need a hug.

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#26 Posted by sevennames27 (1589 posts) - - Show Bio

You must be a “Right Brain” thinker...

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#27 Edited by Ferro Vida (34317 posts) - - Show Bio
@sevennames27 said:
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You must be a “Right Brain” thinker...

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I'm pretty sure they have surgery now that could remove that stick you sat on.
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#28 Edited by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio

You just seem so angry at a comic book character.

Do you want to talk about it? XD

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#29 Posted by dailywheattoast (107 posts) - - Show Bio

@sevennames27: either PIS or he is immortal, likely both considering he is part of another dimension outside of time