Homecoming Spider-Man vs MCU Captain America

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#1  Edited By werkudoro

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  • No prior knowledge or prep
  • H2H only, No Webbing or Shield
  • Any win conditions except BFR

Location: Capitol Hill Washington, D.C. (Spider-Man Homecoming)

Starting distance 50 feet apart

Round 2: Standard equipment

Round 3:

  • 3 hours prep, basic knowledge
  • Morals off, bloodlusted on
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Spiderman is that weak?

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Spider-Man could beat cap with out homecoming feats

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Spider-Man could beat cap with out homecoming feats

Clearly not, because he lost their fight.

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@werkudoro: how good was the film? I was thinking about going to it sometime in the next few weeks. Is it worth it?

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#8 the_red_viper  Moderator

Isn't the film only coming out in 2 days?

Regardless, the ship feat from the trailer is probably above anything Cap has done.

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#9  Edited By stvblackrose801

Round 1 I'd pick Cap with the more experience in fighting.

Round 2 & 3 I would go with Spider-man since his webbing can take out the shield and pin Captain America and just go in to take him down.

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#10  Edited By werkudoro

@hittheassasin: The Movie is pretty good i couldn't tell more without spoiling it. And yeah It's worth it

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#12  Edited By werkudoro

@rbt: No he's strong but i don't know if he's stronger than Tobey

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#13  Edited By TheSpartanB345T

@lubub55 said:
@webinyoureye11 said:

Spider-Man could beat cap with out homecoming feats

Clearly not, because he lost their fight.

This is a bloodlusted fight, and Spidey is going to oneshot.

Edit: Oh that is Round 3.

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#15  Edited By Cable_Extreme

Cap loses all rounds, spidey sense is tingling.

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@cable_extreme: But Steve has more experience in close combat, Going toe to toe with Ultron was impressive

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@werkudoro: skill doesn't get past his superior stats and spidery sense (which I would argue is more effective than Cap's skill).

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@lubub55 said:
@webinyoureye11 said:

Spider-Man could beat cap with out homecoming feats

Clearly not, because he lost their fight.

No he didn't. Spiderman was in no way defeated, Cap ran away when he was distracted lifting the walkway.

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#19  Edited By g2_

Spider-Man ripped Vulture's suit to shreds. Cap dies a brutal death.

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@the_red_viper: Na it's out.at least for my country. Watched last night too

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@g2_: to be fair, after how many encounters was this?

Spidermans inexperience is what is limiting him here. I just see Spiderman eventually winning after a few fights but the firdt few will be caps victories

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@cable_extreme: and lack of skill makes your superior stats obsolete.

Falcon and winter soldier though physically weaker eventually "won"

Cap though physically weaker eventually "won"

Vulture though having lost in the end, I mean after how many encounters did Peter have with him..

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@webinyoureye11: Lol, you can't claim plot simply because your favorite lost. Lol

Is Spiderman physically capable of beating Captain America? Yes. Does he possess the necessary abilities to do so? Yes. He lost due to inexperience and immaturity. Which all plays into a combative situation fine.

Yes he lost to someone he is superior than, but he lost fair and square to that same person who is superior by quite a margin in skill and experience. There's nothing wrong with that.

Now once he adults a little and doesn't let his immature nature get the best of him, he should defeat Captain America fine.

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Spidey was inexperienced when he fought Cap. Im sure after the film we will see how much of a difference of results it would be if they were to fight again.

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@soaringturkeys: what makes you think they eventually won? He wasn't KO'ed by them. He took on Falcon and Winter Soilder single handily and did very well.

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@webinyoureye11: Lol, you can't claim plot simply because your favorite lost. Lol

But it's true. The fight was ended prematurely because of the plot. Cap couldn't KO him, and Spider-Man never threw a punch. Clearly that fight is not indicative of Spider-Mans fighting abilities, he wasn't even fighting to kill/KO. He was trying to restrain Cap

Is Spiderman physically capable of beating Captain America? Yes. Does he possess the necessary abilities to do so? Yes. He lost due to inexperience and immaturity. Which all plays into a combative situation fine.

According to these rules, Cap didn't win the fight. Unless you count win by distraction.

Yes he lost to someone he is superior than, but he lost fair and square to that same person who is superior by quite a margin in skill and experience. There's nothing wrong with that.

He was not out of the fight though. call it a loss if you want, but to use that instance as a way to argue for Cap in any situation other than where he has a large structure to drop on Pete would be like me stating that Pete would stomp Cap in h2h. It hasn't happened, and the odds aren't very good.

Now once he adults a little and doesn't let his immature nature get the best of him, he should defeat Captain America fine.

Or if he's not holding back due to his respect/morals, then I'm confident he could beat Cap for the majority.

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@webinyoureye11: ok most of your responses are just repeating what I said. But you can use their fight in Civil War as an example. You're pretending like Captain America wasn't distracted as well. He only dealth with Spiderman because he confronted him.

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Spiderman caught a 20 - 25 ton structure with a ton of strain, but he was still able to do so. He also seems more agile and flexible. His webs also give him a major advantage. Cap's best chance is round 1. Round 3 is better suited for Peter, since he is smarter. Peter should win all these rounds.

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@webinyoureye11: ok most of your responses are just repeating what I said. But you can use their fight in Civil War as an example. You're pretending like Captain America wasn't distracted as well. He only dealth with Spiderman because he confronted him.

I didn't repeat anything you said, and Cap wasn't distracted during his fight with Spider-Man

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@cable_extreme: well all units weren't going for kills. Otherwise Falcons eagle could have gone for a bullet instead of tagging him with something else.

But that's besides the point.

I'm saying Holland's inexperience clearly lets his superior stats down.

Cap doesn't even necessarily lose in first encounters. He usually goes toe to toe with people in first encounters.

Holland clearly in civil war and even more obviously in homecoming sucks at first encounters.

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I'll be extremely disappointed if Spiderman can't clearly beat Cap after Homecoming.

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@g2_: to be fair, after how many encounters was this?

Let's see:

Rooftop fight (Spider-Man escapes).

Truck fight (Spidey accidentally bashed his head).

Ferry fight (Vulture escapes, Ferry get's sliced).

Plane fight (Spider-Man with his homemade suit, after a fight with the Shocker, and getting smashed by a ceiling, rips his suit to shreds).

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Peter should win handily, considering Buckys metal arm punches were cracking concrete and Steve was going all out to avoid them and Peter casually overpowered that very same metal arm and proceeded to stomp Falcon and Bucky with ease.

Chances are a couple punches from Spidey is gonna put Steve down, coupled with Spider Sense and far better stats in every department unless Steve has a motorcycle he loses.

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@webinyoureye11: Yes he was. It was an inconvenience. (His altercation with Parker)

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got love for cap but spidey

(defeats winter soldier who can match cap in h2h)

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#36 JediXMan  Moderator

According to these rules, Cap didn't win the fight. Unless you count win by distraction.

It's called being tactical and using your environment. Cap exploited Peter's inexperience, as did Falcon.

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@jedixman: my point stands, cap didn't KO SM, and I doubt he would before getting injured or KO'd himself. Especially in these scenarios. Even if he did drop another jetbridge, SM already got out from it before, he could do it again

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Cap schools Peter again.

Not a close fight.

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#39 JediXMan  Moderator

@jedixman: my point stands, cap didn't KO SM, and I doubt he would before getting injured or KO'd himself.

And why would you say that? Peter was KO'd by an accidental Giant Man backhand and sent flying by Red Wing - hard enough that he didn't come back to finish off two incapacitated opponents.

The idea that Cap would injure himself presumably because Peter is that durable is absurd.

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Can Spider-Man dodge bullets yet?

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@webinyoureye11: He knocked the hell out of Parker and kept him out of the fight temporarily.

He won that fight.

And what point? I made my point and left it at that.

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Are Shocker and Vulture stronger than a Súper Soldier,?

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@jedixman:And why would you say that? Peter was KO'd by an accidental Giant Man backhand and sent flying by Red Wing - hard enough that he didn't come back to finish off two incapacitated opponents.

I don't see how Scott or Red Wing are relevant, I'm only talking about Cap vs Spider-Man

The idea that Cap would injure himself presumably because Peter is that durable is absurd.

Well that is absurd, hence why I never said it. What I meant is that SM would KO Cap before Cap KO'd him

@morleericks:He knocked the hell out of Parker and kept him out of the fight temporarily.

Leaving while Spider-Man is distracted is not a win condition I've ever seen.

He won that fight.

And how does Cap win this fight?

And what point? I made my point and left it at that.

?? I didn't even tag you since you last tagged me.

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@lubub55 said:
@webinyoureye11 said:

Spider-Man could beat cap with out homecoming feats

Clearly not, because he lost their fight.

Plot. No way a kid who can stop 3000 pounds dead in its tracks is losing to Cap in a tug-o-war.

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If we're going by brute strength and capabilities, Spider Man should beat Cap in H2H combat. Barring any plot tendencies, Spidey has more offensive arsenal and brute strength at his side.

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@g2_:

He lost the fight to shocker.

His friend had to rescue him.

And

No the plane crash ripped Falcons suit to shreds.

Falcon with a broken suit clearly bested Spiderman. He literally let him go to get the arc reactors.

You also forgot the factory fight when Falcon dropped a building on Spidey to ko him

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@g2_:

He lost the fight to shocker.

His friend had to rescue him.

He didn't lose he won, he got saved from getting punched another time.

And

No the plane crash ripped Falcons suit to shreds.

Falcon with a broken suit clearly bested Spiderman. He literally let him go to get the arc reactors.

You also forgot the factory fight when Falcon dropped a building on Spidey to ko him

WTF? Falcon? Is name is Vulture.

No the plane crash ripped Falcons suit to shreds.

Which Spider-Man caused, by crashing two turbines.

Falcon with a broken suit clearly bested Spiderman. He literally let him go to get the arc reactors.

No, he didn't, the suit was busted he couldn't kill him.

You also forgot the factory fight when Falcon dropped a building on Spidey to ko him

Same fight.

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@g2_: sorry vulture* Easy mistake.

... So getting saved = winning for you?

And it wasnt the same fight. He clearly lost the factory scene. Every conceivable way that the term lose covers Bar death.

And no.

He dragged and threw Spidey into two turbines. And Spidey still only managed to make him go into one.

He then undamaged tried to grab the arc reactor from a crashing plane. That's what damaged his suit.

Spidey only managed to break apart one talon.

I literally just saw the movie again

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@monsterstomp:

Then you only consider strength and don't place value in anything else.

Spiderman spent more time losing to fodders in homecoming and didn't even beat vulture.

Vulture bested Spidey 3 times

Shocker even beat Spidey.

And Spidey got tagged quite a few times

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@dirtytree333: He literally Stopping A few thugs firing their guns even before they could pull the trigger, and he is fast enough to dodge Vulture's blaster multiple time.