Hokage Naruto vs Gerard Valkyrie

@batmanplusjay: smh more assumptions to justify inconsistency. It's right on the page he was next to Delta when Himawari was thrown into the air and he then deflected the attack.

It's not inconsistency. He moved at that time. You can clearly see he jumped on that page because of the action lines behind him. Boruto was shown on panel with the background normal because he was sitting still, Kawaki had action/speed lines behind him, and those lines always signify a character moving or taking action on something. He saw Himawari get thrown into the air, and shortly after he jumped up before Delta shot that beam(likely when Delta was talking before she shot the beam). I'm basing my assumption off of what I'm seeing.

You don't realize you're assuming shit too, you have no proof he jumped after she shot that beam. You're just choosing to believe stupid shit for some reason with no basis.

You already said there is no scan of him jumping before the beam so why assume he did How are going to argue with what was shown and just add what you feel like?

You really see no problem with your argument, do you? Alright. Let's say he did jump after that beam was shot and outsped it. Now you either have a FTL Kawaki, which is borderline retarded, or a beam of light hell of a lot slower than Kawaki, which is also borderline retarded. That's why your argument doesn't work -- both of the outcomes from it makes absolutely 0 sense.

Kawaki can't be FTL, that's impossible and stupid for obvious reasons.

But he also can't be faster than those beams because KCM Naruto had barely dodged those beams, and base Naruto has proven to be hell of a lot faster that Kawaki when they first met. Kawaki couldn't outrun base Naruto no matter how hard he tried. So Kawaki can't both be slower than base Naruto but damn near just as fast as KCM Naruto who could barely react to the beams. That's a blatant contradiction.

The only logical explanation is he jumped before those beams were shot. And the action lines in his background further backs that claim.

I already gave you two options, you decide which one you think it is. Either he is FTL or the beam isn't LS. It's entirely up to you.

Both of those options are idiotic. You can't choose either one.

Lol I'm done.

I truly hope you are done, cause you're just saying dumb shit, you're not even thinking your arguments through. You just came here typing just to type.

It's heated up in here. For reals????

@batmanplusjay: Let me quote you "and those lines always signify a character moving or taking action on something"

That means Jugram & Uruu are FTL ???

Uryu shooted an light arrow at Jugram after the sun came up in the morning and the arrow hit Jugram's sword before the sunlight reflected on his blade. FTL Bleach ?

@batmanplusjay: You really didn't because I am asking for the proof.

@tetsukage: just like what you think the author would or wouldnt do, doesn't matter. Prove your statement.

@batmanplusjay: lol the action line could mean he noticed something happening, it doesn't always mean someone is moving.

Boruto didn't have those lines when he noticed it. It does mean someone is taking action. It's literally the entire point of the action lines.

And where is it clearly shown he jumped you have already admitted there is no scan, so how is it clear thats just your assumption.

It is clear because of the action lines and the simple fact that Kawaki is nowhere near close to KCM Naruto in speed or as fast as that beam of light. Therefore it is nonsensical, completely idiotic and out of this world for him to have outsped it. You're assuming stupid shit. Do you realize how dumb you have to be to actually think he casually outsped that beam, the same beam KCM Naruto BARELY dodged?

Obviously Kawaki isn't LS but the beam isn't either, you only assume it is because Naruto dodged it

Even if that beam wasn't LS, it still is relativistic and WOULD NOT explain why Kawaki was able to outpaced it. Do you not realize how stupid you sound? You're implying a beam of light that KCM Naruto barely dodged is somehow slower than Kawaki. Even though it's already been established that Kawaki is hell of a lot slower than even base form Naruto. I'm not assuming it's LS because Naruto dodged it, I know it's light speed because it's a beam of light.

It makes a lot more sense with scaling and based on what we see in the manga that Kawaki jumped before she shot that beam. It's literally the only thing that makes sense, but you'd rather think like you have the brain power of an autistic goldfish and think Kawaki casually outsped something KCM Naruto barely reacted to.

and its a light attack but every light beam isn't LS smh. Once again show me where he jumped before the beam.

Show me where he jumped after the beam was shot.

The options are based on your claims of the beams being LS with no proof just headcannon.

It's a beam of light. That's direct proof. Not headcanon. That's like asking for proof that fire style is actually fire as if it being called fire stylet taking the same properties of fire and looking like fire isn't proof enough. You need to prove that this beam of light isn't actually a beam of light. That's a dumb ass claim you made, therefore it's the dumb ass claim you need to prove.

And Kawaki reacting and deflecting said LS eye beams.

He didn't react, he jumped before it was shot. And he didn't deflect it. It blew up on impact on his scientific hand. What, did you think the explosion and the smoke after it hit was headcanon too?

I'm done don't tag me anymore in this conversation. You guys are using headcannon to justify your wanking.

You have no actual proof so...

Once again I'm done.

@batmanplusjay: nah just the lines when the sword is moving.

You proved to yourself that it was lightspeed. You didn't prove anything to me. Try again.

Yeah. It's called a beam of light because it's actually a beam cheerios.

Show it refracting off the surface of something.

It's a destructive beam of light. The point is to blow up on the surface of something.

Show it reflecting.

Like what, the trees? The grass? What's around for it to reflect off of?

@godren: waste of time dude. They are already stuck in a loop of headcannon.

They think light equals LS, by their logic Laser circus and the blinding attack Sage mode Kabuto used are LS because they use light.

Nonsense. Just tryna warn you.

Kawaki reacted to it, just saying.

We’ll have to wait and see.

If most beam attacks are light then a lot of characters who dodge it are FTL.

Which is why they need to display properties of natural light to be considered light speed, this is very simple to understand.

Light doesn't cause explosions, but this particular light attack has a destructive property added to it. Light attacks would be completely useless if they didn't have added properties to this as all they would do is flash onto the opponent like a flashlight.

This makes no sense, how do you make light blow up? it's psuedo science that goes against what natural light can do. it's just a generic beam attack literally like Kamehameha wave.

The mangaka is displaying light speed. You don't bring up an irrelevant point which you can't even determine is true or not to act like the mangaka is at fault for not having a random vase sitting nearby to show reflection.

He isn't displaying light speed smh, he's displaying a beam attack that can effect regeneration and explode. You don't have a case for light speed like at all based on the evidence were given in the manga chapter.

@batmanplusjay: you claimed that not me smh.

Show me where I claimed that, and I promise to tag everyone on this thread and tell them you're right and that that beam was not LS.

Like I said by your logic Laser circus and Sage mode Kabuto's light jutsu are LS because you claim if it uses light it's LS.

I don't know what Lazer circus is, stop bringing it up. And what Sage Mode Kabuto light are you referring to?

Once again nonsense, once again don't tag me with bullshit.

You said you were done iirc. You're still here. Don't tag me, and stay out of my notifications, and be done like you claim.

@batmanplusjay: post 722 at the end.

I said "To you". You do know what "To you," means right? And I can tell you ignored that whole post, you're not obligated to read it, but I can tell. Because you're still fine with thinking Kawaki outpaced the beam.

Laser Circus is a light attack used by Darui during the 4th Great Ninja War. The blinding light attack he used on Edo Itachi and Sasuke when he fought them don't rember the name of it. How do you not know these things if you have read or watched Naruto?

The same reason you "don't remember the name of it". It's funny when people try to act like they know so much more than someone because they remember insignificant moment we only saw like once throughout the entire series.

You tagged me after I tagged Godren so why are you complaining. Lol I can post where and when I want ,don't be salty at me because you can't prove something. I said I was done because you guys brought no proof.

I tagged you because iirc I never said I was done. You claimed to be done, yet here you are. You can do what you want, where you want, but don't think you just gonna lie and contradict yourself and won't be called out for it..now either be done and move on, or don't be done and keep taking part in this. And don't kid yourself, I proved you wrong several times over.

@batmanplusjay:

This isn't a small area of detail at all, as a matter of fact there is 0 proof Naruto can replicate Might Guy's feat at all. It's literally just scaling them to everything because they're stronger.

So you think Naruto isn't faster than 8th gate guy? ? Alrighty. We're not even going to get into that. But here's a better analogy. Same way Naruto and Sasuke are faster than 6th gate Lee, but every time they move, they aren't shown in blurs with Sonic books every time they throw a punch. Consistency on small details like that aren't always shown. Once it's established something is what it is, it becomes tedious for writers to add these minor details every time it's shown.

Also I'm not sure if you're new to battle board, buy you need to prove what you're saying. There isn't a single shred of evidence that points to her generic beam attack being light speed in any shape or form. All you're arguments seem to stem from personal feeling.

It stems from it being called a beam of light. Someone else earlier tried saying "it needs to have these properties to be LS" and had "travel in a straight line" and "be stated to be LS" as the properties. It does travel in a straight line. And it being called a beam of light indirectly suggests it has the properties of light, like being light speed. If it weren't an actual beam of light, there's absolutely no reason for it to be called something it isn't.

The only property to fire is fire burns which varies from source to source so this is a false equivalency, Light is always moving at a constant speed (except under certain conditions).

It burns, the color, it can be extinguished by water in most cases, it cannot exist without oxygen. These are all properties of fire. And her beam of light also was shown to move at a constant speed.

It's not irrelevant lmfao, it's literally a scientific indication that it's legit light speed.

That's not why I'm saying it's irrelevant. I'm saying it's irrelevant because it can't be determined based on the setting it took place. So bringing this up, and pretending like it doesn't have this property because you don't see it here in this particular setting is ignorant.

You're the one who brought up a vase. It's kind of ironic since Boruto is suppose to be a scientific series yet they can't even display light properly. Show us a single hard evidence of it being light speed such as refraction, reflection, being intangible, and even being stated to be light speed. Your entire analysis is based on personal conjecture.

Refraction can't happen when it explodes on impact because of an added property. We don't know if it reflects. It being called a beam of light indirectly suggests it is light speed. It can't be intangible because it needs to explode on impact. My arguments are based off of it being a beam of light. Again, never in Naruto has someone used a move called, let's say for example, ice tower(completely made up move), and the ability has nothing to do with ice and the main properties that make up ice are nonexistent. If it wasn't a beam of light with no properties of light it wouldn't have been called a beam of light, it would've been called a boom blaster or some shit.

It's just nonsensical to think characters will have light "attacks" with only natural light properties and not give it any new properties. Natural light is harmless and can at best blind people like Genos from OPM likes to do. To make it into an attack, some properties need to change. Like intangibility so it can actually harm the opponent. Like refraction. Adding these new properties doesn't make it any less slower than natural light though unless it's stated/suggested it is slower.

This is a fictional universe, it works like that in fictional stories. You can't always apply real life logic and physics to characters or their abilities because it'll destroy the entire purpose of the author creating said ability when they add changes to it.

@batmanplusjay: where did I claim anything like that, that's your interpretation of what I said.

If you actually read post #722, you'd see why I said that. Nothing you ever said makes sense. And it ultimately boiled down to base Naruto >> Kawaki >> KCM Naruto >> beam of light.

Don't have to remember the name of something to remember it happening and never claimed to know more than you just surprised you don't know of those instances. I see you also never addressed that those attacks use light, which you clearly stated multiple times means they are LS attacks which is false.

Well I haven't seen the actual attacks/forgotten them. If Kabuto's light ability did indeed blind itachi and assume then it obviously is a light attack that moves at LS. Same with Darui. I'm gonna have to actually see these moves to talk about them.

You tagged me like I said, also just because I was done with you and Tetsukage doesn't mean I can't respond on the thread. Who did I lie to I left and came back is that a crime lol.

It's not a crime, just a contradiction and you got called out on it. And again, you're still here, tagging me. Therefore you clearly aren't done.