Hobbs & Shaw vs MCU Luke Cage

round 1) H2H only

round 2) H & S both have automatic rifles and grenades; Luke is limited to H2H

Mismatch

1. They can wear him down, their punches were staggering Brixton and eventually him to a point where he couldn't stand up. Luke is never touching either of them in a 2v1,
2. Shaw unloads an automatic into his groin, Luke collapses from pain -- either that or they wear him down using the same strategy

@kolkent: But how they're gonna hurt him? Luke can tank amounts of explosion and no sells judas bullets (alien weapon) which can harm him before.

@assemblesquad: They can’t. They would break their hands punching Luke, let alone putting him down. He has taken punches from individuals much stronger (Diamondback, Danny, Bushmaster, etc). He would take them out with little trouble.

@jaylinfreeman: Damn right. They stand no chance. And they would get their ass handed by any other Luke's foes.

@assemblesquad:

Brixton tanked multiple tons of concrete falling on top of him at Eteon's base and was fine, needed some minor repairs. Hobbs crashed landed on Brixton from like 20+ stories up and deformed the hood of a military reinforced car, right after that, caught an armoured truck that exploded on top of him and than crashed thru one side of a double Decker bus and landed out the other side --- he was more pissed off than hurt.

He might not be as durable as Luke but he's pretty close and these guys put him with moderate effort. Luke isn't very skilled in comparison to these guys, he'd be hard pressed touching either of them in a 1v1, much less two of these guys at once.

Luke was on his knees when the Judas bullet hit him - he can continue fighting after being hit by one but they clearly do hurt

@kolkent: Luke would replicate these feats.

Luke survived these hits:

Which can do this:

No sells this:

That Brixton's never done that.

@kolkent: The Judas bullet hurting him was prior to his Season 2 upgrade as in contrast the former could no longer hurt him as his skin became more durable.

@assemblesquad:

Again I never said Luke isn't more durable -- his durability can still be worn down, Shaw and Luke both are shown fighting dirty kicking their opponents in the groin using submission holds added the fact that they hit hard as well in order to put a guy who was conscious after this

a lot of people say Brixton jumped so somehow the building didn't hit him but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the sheer size of the thing added the fact he was shown getting repairs after this which supports him actually being hit.

Both solostomps.

@jaylinfreeman:

I'm referring to season 2 when I said a Judas bullet brought him to his knees -- Luke wouldn't have this sort of reaction if the bullet didn't hurt

Like I said, he has amazing durability and the duo is gonna struggle to put him down but he can be worn down and his durability can be taxed - it might take a while but he's gonna get put down

@kolkent: The gfycat you posted that Brixton only withstood a portion of tower collapsing onto him. Brixton would've die if a full tower drops on him. The groin shot still won't hurt Luke, they will break they're legs or foot and submission won't put him down too.

@kolkent: I think he do that, because he wasn’t braced for that attack but I can see your point as well. I however, don’t think the duo can put him down Luke is too durable and has tanked attacks from physically comparable if not superior opponents.

@assemblesquad:

The gfycat you posted that Brixton only withstood a portion of tower collapsing onto him.

a portion of the tower collapsing on top of him requires some ridiculous level durability to survive - he's also superior in durability both Luke, Shaw and Dom and Shaw survived a parking garage collapse on top of him with no fatal injuries.

The groin shot still won't hurt Luke, they will break they're legs or foot and submission won't put down too.

Why wouldn't a groin shot from guys who hurt superhumans hurt Luke? A random guy kicking Luke in that area didn't break any bones I'm baffled at how you think Hobbs and Shaw are gonna be breaking any bones in this fight from hitting him.

Submission holds should work just fine unless you have counter evidence -- Black Sky was restraining him with a construction rope during Defenders and both of these guys should be at least as strong at the very least they're gonna wear him down.

@kolkent:

Brixton tanked multiple tons of concrete falling on top of him at Eteon's base and was fine, needed some minor repairs.

@kolkent: If it's a injuries Luke vs these two would be more fair, but in this one they stand no chance. You think surviving a portion tower collapsing is worse than the truck with packed of TNT's that Luke withstood? We've never seen Brixton withstanding big explosions.

Team can’t do anything to Luke, like at all.

@kolkent: a lot of people say Brixton jumped so somehow the building didn't hit him

cause he did, & it didn’t

@assemblesquad:

If it's a injuries Luke vs these two would be more fair, but in this one they stand no chance.

What an injuries Luke? Also up till now nobody's provided really an argument for how Luke is gonna handle 2 opponents who are a good degree better than him in fighting, attacking him at the same time...

and yea a collapsing tower falling on top of you seems to be at least as good as taking exploding TNT -- and again, Brixton may not be as durable as Luke but eventually the two put him down and they had to withstand a couple hits from prior in order to damage his CPU so they probably weren't even punching him with peak force.

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@jaylinfreeman

I however, don’t think the duo can put him down Luke is too durable and has tanked attacks from physically comparable if not superior opponents.

I can see your point but those guys who were physically superior to these guys were wearing him down (Bushmaster for example), enough hits can tax his durability and wear him down. We know it's not impossible to knock him out. I don't think Luke's ever taken on two opponents who are massively more skilled than him and actually held his own, he did manage to disarm Black Sky but that was after she cleaned house with both him and Jessica at the same time and Luke never actually managed to land an actual hit on her. She may be faster and more skilled than both of these guys individually but she's one person -- here Luke has to keep track of two opponents at the same time

@webinyoureye11:

Fair enough, he still has scaling to Shaw who survived a parking garage collapse on top of him and it still doesn't really take away from my point - Luke can be worn down

mhmm, so does Luke get scaling from Matt surviving a skyscraper falling on him?

@webinyoureye11:

Yea but the impact killed Elektra, Matt surviving doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and Luke was knocked out by a building fall on top of him (Pre Acid Bath) so the scaling obviously isn't consistent

@kolkent: He was still tanking their hits though. Bushmaster was only able to KO Luke twice with the first being because he suckered punch Cage and had prep (he watched a video of Luke fighting and analyzed fighting pattern prior to the fight) and the second time was because Luke was caught off guard by Johnny’s new found strength when he was on Double Dose Nightshade. And I never said he wasn’t capable of not being KO’d, it’s just that these guys aren’t going to do just that because they lack the damage output. And the most Elektra did in terms of damage to Luke was staggering him, not inflicting any significant damage to the former. So yes, Luke never fought two skilled opponents at once but what good is that skill if they can’t do anything to hurt the guy they’re fighting?

There is no proof elektra is dead. And you’re ignoring the direct hit from a tank busting rocket before the building collapsed on him

Why are people talking about a couple tons of concrete falling on people when grenades and rockets and even bullets given their force per area are all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that shit.

Team beats him down eventually.

@subline: If you don’t mind me asking, why do you say that?

They beat down a guy who I'd argue is superior to Cage in every aspect but durability, hence I said eventually because it'll take a little longer to take down Cage due to his durability.

Luke wins eventually. Grenades and speeding three and a half ton cars don't phase this guy. He can stand in the middle of explosions that ragdoll people standing 40 ft. away and shrug it off. He can stop a strike with enough force to ragdoll and knock out dozens of people in a 30 ft. radius by using his bare hands.

FF characters are extremely capable and have great stats but they're utterly out of their depth here. There's not much to debate in my opinion.

@webinyoureye11:

There is no proof elektra is dead.

yea despite the fact that Matt's hallucination of Fisk clearly mentions her being amongst the people in Matt's life who've died

can't find the scene on youtube but its from S3E03

And you’re ignoring the direct hit from a tank busting rocket before the building collapsed on him

tank busting??? Regardless the inconsistency with the building already makes the scaling void

@jaylinfreeman: I think we should just agree to disagree

@kolkent: idc about this debate, but wtf are those Fisk screens supposed to prove? Matt believes Elektra is dead, doesn’t mean she IS...

They can’t wear him down or any of that shit, no more than 4 year olds can wear down a grown adult

Tgey can’t put him in any submission hold that he can’t break out of

Dickshots won’t work

Luke stomps

Kol stop this

@supremegeneration:

so you're saying we should assume Stick and Matt's dad are alive as well because Matt only thinks they're dead? There's no logic for the script writers to purposely mislead the viewers like that by having hallucinated Fisk saying she is.

@webinyoureye11:

Are you actually implying you think she's alive? Despite the fact that Matt is totally unconcerned with her possible existence despite the fact that he was in the building with her...

Lmao

There doesn't have to be a reason for this, just claim it and you can argue "we have to wait and see" so you can never be proven wrong.

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@kolkent: I suppose so.

This just in: a character's disappearance from a show and their state of living, as said by a show producer, is equal to a Viner saying something about a feat.

Cage. Hobs and shaw are better off turning those grenade launchers on themselves to avoid getting crumpled and beaten into paste

Hobbs solos

@mexcomics2078: In cqc or guns?

KoL’s bait is truly magnificent