I'm sure PF Cyclops is faster than your best ray.
You wouldn't even know to dodge it in the first place, it's just a ray. I mean, the entirety of the Phoenix Force failed/chose not to dodge Tony's ray, why would this be any different? Ultron can just blast it all day.
There's not way he wouldn't be able to outright block it or protect his team from any harm.
Why not? This "Little Promise" has already been shown to depower a fully empowered Phoenix. In what way is he stopping a ray that has been shown to outright depower someone hosting the same entity, and a greater portion of it to boot?
I'm also not convinced that your team will be able to do anything from the start considering my team pretty much controls the entire battlefield from the get go.
And mine doesn't? What happened to the microbots beaming out Little Promise or the phalanx polluting the air? For "the get go" you'll be fighting for control.
How is your team attacking if they can't even move?
The whole point is that Ultron, and all his robots can fire the Little Promise at will, what's stopping them
By your own statement we can see that you recognizes my team will have the first move with Bobby freezing, since you said "water molecules stop being controlled"but the thing is that it won't stop. The moment your team step into the battlefield the entire map will be freezing.
Correct, but is Iceman really going to freeze the entire chunk of atmosphere? I thought he was trying to protect people. Even more so, he can't directly freeze the army because of the ray they can emit, so he'd have to hit them one by one.
Bobby can concentrate his powers towards your team while his clones take care of your army, considering they will be affected by the temperature. That way he can reach absolute zero in a especific area while the rest of the team deals with the army. Cyclops can help blasting them away. Storm dropping some nasty lighting and sending hurricanes one after the other.
Yes, drop lightning into an area where the is no static buildup (which is necessary for lightning) because of the fricking cold ground temperature? Or hurricanes which only exist at warmer temperatures? Maybe a blizzard, but I've never seen Storm actively make a rainstorm in subzero temperatures. The way you've had your characters act, Storm can help Iceman, but she's not going to be able to help by bringing in strange weather phenomena, the environment is too cold for that. Let's also not forget the nuke, because last I checked, Storm was dying of radiation.
Real science doesn't apply to comics.
^^^ Everything wrong with comicvine. It does, you just have to apply them in context. I could just apply it like this. Bobby has not stopped the equivalent of a nuke, therefore, there is no evidence that he can stop a nuke.
You can't really assume how hot is hell, for for all intents and purposes it's the worst place for someone like Iceman to be.
I don't need to, I just know that Bobby needs water, and if there is water in Hell, it must be below 212 Fahrenheit. Marvel Hell particularly doesn't seem to actually physically burn.
This particular feat is meant to show how much he can do with his powers even in a unfavorable environment. Once again you are assuming that your team will have enough time to blast nukes, they won't.
My team is faster
Really? because the speed feats presented at this time are equivalent to 0. My team is wearing tech superior to an Iron Man armor, so that's above Mach 8. Ultron (through the Phalanx) has perceived Nova when the latter was traveling at superluminal speeds.
and possess ways to neutralize yours from the beginning.
I'd say a weapon that specifically neutralizes powers is just as good.
With Storm helping him, Iceman exists eveywhere with the right conditions to use the totality of his powers that were previously upgraded by Cyclops. I've presented more than enough evidence to prove how much power output and extent of powers Iceman can display.
Of course, but can he with the depowering rays?
As said previously, Cyclops is there to finish the remaining threat, which at this point should be weakened. I say this because Iceman alone can deal with Ultron. Sure he's indestructible, but not for the inside. Once again my team will know this beforehand thanks to PF Cyclops infinity knowledge the Phoenix gives him. So Bobby can just freeze him from the inside, like he did before to a foe that had impervious skin.
That foe is rather different though, for one, he's not capable of depowering Iceman like Ultron, he has a mouth, he can't function at subzero temperatures, and he doesn't have any form of mental manipulation. Now you're stating that he can bypass all of these?
You're also showing him freezing Legion, who despite all his power, has human durability. May I see a scan of Bobby performing a feat similar to a body made of metal?
My team is faster with both PF Cyclops cosmic powers and Iceman omnipresence.
Still no speed feats, omnipresence only travels at speed of thought (250ish MPH) my team can move at Mach 8
Storm weather control constantly provides the appropriate conditions for Bobby, constantly "feeding" him in battle.
And also can be easily destroyed, glass cannon much?
You haven't presented one single evidence to dispute the fact that iceman can just freeze your entire team, severely compromised from the start.
I stated that they could use the depower ray as a "shield" preventing Iceman from freezing them. You in turn have yet to address the paralyzing ray, which would prevent Iceman from even doing anything past being stunned.
Thanks to the Phoenix connection, Cyclops possess infinity knowledge, which means he is aware of Ultron's weakness which will be exploited in the fight as explained.
Thanks to complete access to Stark's database, Ultron knows everything about these X-Men. And the Phoenix has limited omniscience, Scott has to ask. If he has true omniscience, then he could very well solo both Silver Surfer and Captain Atom, putting him over the limits.
Even if it is possibly to achieve this, Ultron can predict it, and use the final resort, he shifts a piece of his consciousness to the Stark Tower, and enlarges and drops the anti matter bomb that Reed provided the specs for during prep. This bomb wiped out Washington DC entirely, destroying every piece of matter there was, so goodbye to everyone here, and Ultron's consciousness lives on.
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