High Republic Yoda Runs a Vader Gauntlet

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Poll High Republic Yoda Runs a Vader Gauntlet (27 votes)

Knightfall Vader - Mustafar 15%
OWK Vader - Planet of final fight 11%
Rebels Vader - Malachor 11%
ANH Vader - Death Star 11%
ESB Vader - Cloud City 4%
ROTJ Vader - Death Star II Throne room 7%
Clears 37%
Results 4%

I read an interesting post recently that HR Yoda is being set up to be Prime Yoda, and the reasoning was pretty solid. Regardless, Yoda is going to be a formidable foe regardless of the timeline, since he has pretty good feats in the HR, like handwaving a giant trawler.

So, where does the little green guy stack up the Sidious’s most powerful apprentice?

Yoda gets his saber and all HR feats and statements.

Vader is in character for each iteration. Since Vader is usually conflicted between his light and dark self, then he maintains the conflict for the purposes of the battle.

Full healing and rest between rounds. Starts 25 feet apart. Both have their saber. The location is decided by the iteration. Rounds are chronological.

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#1 WarStars1977  Online

@wolfrazer: @supreme101: @minhcake: @lord_tenebrous: @a_fine_edition: @poedameronsbutt: @deathoes: @redsithdisciple: @koose104: @gioppy37:

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Vader chokeslams all rounds.

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Hard stop at Rebels

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The High Republic era is fundamentally a rejection of the Jedi Order as depicted in the prequel trilogy; as such, it moves the prime of the Jedi away from what George Lucas intended (The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones) and back several centuries into an unexplored timeframe, allowing them to craft their own version of what Jedi should be (although, to be fair, the Old Republic era of Star Wars Legends operated on a similar principle, but more exclusively in regards to combat). This extends no less to the Jedi Grand Master, Yoda. Even in the final decades of his career, he should be more than a match for any version of Darth Vader, one way or another, but I expect the boost to his powers at this point should seal the deal across the board.

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#6  Edited By MinhCake

So long as Yoda's not in one of his heavily restricted variants (i.e. final couple years of his life, which he isn't here luckily), I see Yoda taking the Darth Vader gauntlet - though it's going to be a close, taxing fight in all cases.

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#8  Edited By Poedameronsbutt

Clears. Yoda has an advantage via his Size and Skill with the Blade. An opponent like Yoda is probably the worst type of fighter Suited Darth Vader could face.

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Yoda probably clears, stops at ROTJ Vader at worst.

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1. Yoda stomps.

2. Yoda stomps.

3. Yoda stomps.

4. Yoda stomps.

5. Probably Vader.

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Assuming HR Yoda >= PT Yoda, he should clear.

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@sonofdarkness: @eredin12: @supreme101: For the choke slam crew, did you read the OT? Vader maintains all conflicts from the fights. Does that make no difference in him “choke slamming” a possibly prime Yoda?

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@warstars1977: some of the conflicts Vader faces are very contextual and I don’t think would really apply to Yoda.

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@warstars1977: some of the conflicts Vader faces are very contextual and I don’t think would really apply to Yoda.

Sure, but the reason I added that in the battle is because we see what Vader conflicted looks like via the fights on screen.

In the battles I’ve seen, I see a lot of Vader>>>>>>>PT, so there isn’t much of a point in posting a battle like that. Even this thread has Vader “choke slamming” Yoda, and I don’t even have him at full power.

I’m looking at it as if Yoda replaced Vader’s opponent in the battle.

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#18  Edited By SonOfDarkness

@warstars1977: if Mustafar Vader and OWK Vader maintain their conflict (though realistically, like AFE said, I don’t think they would be conflicted against Yoda) then Yoda might be able to make it to Rebels Vader but stops there.

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Stops at OWK and it's a stomp for any following version. Can't believe the HR wank has gotten so out of hand that ROTJ Vader is being placed below Yoda.

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Yoda probably clears, stops at ROTJ Vader at worst.

Lol Yoda isn't getting further than OWK. Non of the suited versions mentioned here lose

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This clown ass concept of Yoda getting past OWK/Rebels Vader needs to go.

stops at 2 or 3.

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#22  Edited By Eredin12

Yea thinking a bit more about it stops at 2 or 3 for sure.

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yoda clears
he dominates 2,3
he beats 4 and 5
he wins 1 and 6 after a very hard fight
(if RoTJ vader is conflicted as he was vs luke yoda beats him decisively though)

This clown ass concept of Yoda getting past OWK/Rebels Vader needs to go.

stops at 2 or 3.

on the contrary RoTJ father/son duo ridiculous wank is the one that needs to go .

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#24  Edited By gioppy37

Probably stops at OWK. Can’t see HR Yoda as > ROTS senate yoda. He surely won’t be as strong as he was there in the force, maybe in a better physical shape but more force power results in better physical augmentation. Btw it would a good fight cause yoda’s speed and agility would be hard for Vader to handle, but the latter is just too strong in the force

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@maulsmacker said:

This clown ass concept of Yoda getting past OWK/Rebels Vader needs to go.

stops at 2 or 3.

on the contrary RoTJ father/son duo ridiculous wank is the one that needs to go .

?

Don't worry, Yoda doesn't make it to ROTJ, he stops at OWK Vader, Rebels if you're REALLY nice to him.

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yoda clears

he dominates 2,3

he beats 4 and 5

he wins 1 and 6 after a very hard fight

(if RoTJ vader is conflicted as he was vs luke yoda beats him decisively though)

@maulsmacker said:

This clown ass concept of Yoda getting past OWK/Rebels Vader needs to go.

stops at 2 or 3.

on the contrary RoTJ father/son duo ridiculous wank is the one that needs to go .

How does Yoda "dominate" two versions of Vader than are significantly stronger than MFV? How does Yoda defeat a Vader who defeated a Kenobi far stronger than him? How does Yoda win against a Vader who was on Sidious' level? How does Yoda have a chance against a Vader who stalemated a Sidious far more powerful than the one that he fought?

ROTJ duo "wank" has too much going for it btw, in contrast to Yoda >~ ROTJ Vader lol

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Has any new evidence regarding HR Yoda come to light? Especially in regards to how much better than his PT iteration he supposedly is.

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Has any new evidence regarding HR Yoda come to light? Especially in regards to how much better than his PT iteration he supposedly is.

unquantifiable

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@kfvnegs said:
@dark_globe said:

yoda clears

he dominates 2,3

he beats 4 and 5

he wins 1 and 6 after a very hard fight

(if RoTJ vader is conflicted as he was vs luke yoda beats him decisively though)

@maulsmacker said:

This clown ass concept of Yoda getting past OWK/Rebels Vader needs to go.

stops at 2 or 3.

on the contrary RoTJ father/son duo ridiculous wank is the one that needs to go .

How does Yoda "dominate" two versions of Vader than are significantly stronger than MFV? How does Yoda defeat a Vader who defeated a Kenobi far stronger than him? How does Yoda win against a Vader who was on Sidious' level? How does Yoda have a chance against a Vader who stalemated a Sidious far more powerful than the one that he fought?

ROTJ duo "wank" has too much going for it btw, in contrast to Yoda >~ ROTJ Vader lol

vader never defeated "far stronger kenobi" than yoda lol
if we take statements base OWK kenobi was basically base RoTS kenobi with slightly rusty lightsaber skills and
that version of kenobi got trounced by dooku who is yodas inferior .
not very impressive for vader at all to beat his old RoTS master , kenobi needed a big amp to win .
KFV would defeat OWK/rebels vader despite statements .

furthermore styles make fights and yoda is a stylistic nightmare for suit vader as is KFV .

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vader never defeated "far stronger kenobi" than yoda lol

if we take statements base OWK kenobi was basically base RoTS kenobi with slightly rusty lightsaber skills and

that version of kenobi got trounced by dooku who is yodas inferior .

not very impressive for vader at all to beat his old RoTS master , kenobi needed a big amp to win .

KFV would defeat OWK/rebels vader despite statements .

furthermore styles make fights and yoda is a stylistic nightmare for suit vader as is KFV .

Um he did? ANH Ben is far above ROTS Yoda.

Comparing IH Kenobi to MFK is all I needed to know you have no idea what you are talking about.

It is impressive to dominate him in the force in the way he did considering he outright matched MFV and wasn't overpowered. The gap is very obvious but you choose to ignore it by bringing a far weaker Kenobi to the table.

"Despite statements" is this a new way to scale or what? The argument is completely baseless and is never backed up in the show. Rebels is way too unfair so I'll stick to OWK.

Not really, MFV couldn't overcome Kenobi and Vader managed to do so rather quickly right after the Force clash. Vader is physically stronger than Yoda and the slightest opening will allow him to dominate with the force just like he did to Kenobi.

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Hard stops at Kfv

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@kfvnegs said:
@dark_globe said:

vader never defeated "far stronger kenobi" than yoda lol

if we take statements base OWK kenobi was basically base RoTS kenobi with slightly rusty lightsaber skills and

that version of kenobi got trounced by dooku who is yodas inferior .

not very impressive for vader at all to beat his old RoTS master , kenobi needed a big amp to win .

KFV would defeat OWK/rebels vader despite statements .

furthermore styles make fights and yoda is a stylistic nightmare for suit vader as is KFV .

Um he did? ANH Ben is far above ROTS Yoda.

ANH kenobi is an old man past his fighting prime ,
kenobi was never above yoda and never will be , his physically prime version lost to dooku .
more esoteric/academic knowledge of the force does not mean he is a better fighter .

Comparing IH Kenobi to MFK is all I needed to know you have no idea what you are talking about.

yeah , yeah - keep deluding yourself ...

It is impressive to dominate him in the force in the way he did considering he outright matched MFV and wasn't overpowered. The gap is very obvious but you choose to ignore it by bringing a far weaker Kenobi to the table.

same thing , there is only one RoTS kenobi -
still sub dooku and got lucky (stupid writing - because reasons (OT) ) VS mustafar anakin .

"Despite statements" is this a new way to scale or what? The argument is completely baseless and is never backed up in the show. Rebels is way too unfair so I'll stick to OWK.

statements on their own are not gonna hold
if every live action feat of said character contradicts said statements
suit vader simply fails to deliver - he is not nearly as good as people want him to be .
it is interesting people seem to get this when it comes to kylo but overlook it when it comes to suit vader .

kylo also has decent statements yet we all know he is an embarrassment ...

Not really, MFV couldn't overcome Kenobi and Vader managed to do so rather quickly right after the Force clash.

different fights , different circumstances ,
also kenobi was not as good with a lightsaber as he was on mustafar ...
still vader was unable to beat him in a duel , he had to abuse the force ,
but yoda is stronger with the force than
kenobi ever was (save twinobi amp after which he decimated vader)

Vader is physically stronger than Yoda and the slightest opening will allow him to dominate with the force just like he did to Kenobi.

yoda is the worst opponent for suit vader in terms of fighting style .
vader would be cut down ,
yoda would not just stand there like a fool (kenobi) and
let himself be spammed with force attacks ,
he is much more agile , with swift movement and acrobatics compared to cumbersome rustobi .

yoda is also stronger than kenobi and he would be able to repel vaders force attacks better than kenobi .
sidious was also stronger with the force than yoda
yet it did not stop the grandmaster from disarming sidious and pretty much fighting him on equal ground.
(and post 66 sidious would roast this version of vader)

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ANH kenobi is an old man past his fighting prime ,
kenobi was never above yoda and never will be , his physically prime version lost to dooku .
more esoteric/academic knowledge of the force does not mean he is a better fighter .

Since when does being old make a FU worse? He can augment himself far better and Ewan in the recent OWK documentary says he uses a new fighting style that suits his older age. Not that this matters because ANH Kenobi gets the exact same descriptions, as is Rebels, but sure stick to outdated 2014 statements from reprinted sources.

yeah , yeah - keep deluding yourself ...

Nothing to be delusional over. MFK being high just doesn't suit your narrative and you keep failing to counter my argument with anything coherent.

same thing , there is only one RoTS kenobi -
still sub dooku and got lucky (stupid writing - because reasons (OT) ) VS mustafar anakin .

Absolutely not, stop being ignorant.

statements on their own are not gonna hold
if every live action feat of said character contradicts said statements
suit vader simply fails to deliver - he is not nearly as good as people want him to be .
it is interesting people seem to get this when it comes to kylo but overlook it when it comes to suit vader .

kylo also has decent statements yet we all know he is an embarrassment ...

Hm right, so when does "suit Vader" fail to deliver exactly? Every time he has appeared in LA/animated shows he has been the biggest thread around. He quite easily beat Ahsoka who is far superior to her previous versions and vastly skilled and powerful per Filoni, he easily overpowered and buried alive a Kenobi who is ~MFK minimum (something MFV didn't come close to accomplishing), toyed and destroyed the Rebels etc etc. I don't know if "delivering" to you means one shotting everyone but apart from losing to an extremely amped Kenobi he has no low showings in Disney LA.

different fights , different circumstances ,
also kenobi was not as good with a lightsaber as he was on mustafar ...
still vader was unable to beat him in a duel , he had to abuse the force ,
but yoda is stronger with the force than
kenobi ever was (save twinobi amp after which he decimated vader)

Per Deb he is in his prime and you can easily argue him above as a FU, and while describing his fight with Vader, she says he is in his prime as a combatant. As for the choreographer saying he is slightly less skilled, this is nothing that superior augmentation can't fix. Vader was arguably very conflicted in the fight and was still far more powerful, but even if we ignore confliction, he was able to augment himself to a point where he was pushing back amped Kenobi in blade locks and his control panel had to be targeted for Kenobi to secure the victory (per the new documentary). Yes Kenobi was clearly superior but it wasn't easy to beat Vader at all. And don't bring the "hopeless" argument in because Vader was right back to dueling Kenobi like nothing happened when the pummeling stopped.


yoda is the worst opponent for suit vader in terms of fighting style .
vader would be cut down ,

You repeat the same argument but don't provide any evidence for your claim.

yoda would not just stand there like a fool (kenobi) and
let himself be spammed with force attacks ,

What made Kenobi a fool? He found an opening and got instantly overpowered when he tried using the Force. Same would happen to Yoda because the force gap is large. Vader is also physically stronger than Yoda whose stamina is mediocre. Vader would win in the long run.

he is much more agile , with swift movement and acrobatics compared to cumbersome rustobi .

Sure but agile opponents never seem to be a problem for Vader (i.e. Ahsoka). Repeating the same baseless argument that MFK's 10 to pre pit Kenobi's 9.5 skill would make any difference doesn't make your point any better.

yoda is also stronger than kenobi and he would be able to repel vaders force attacks better than kenobi .

Yoda is on the same level as pre pit in the Force. Even if we say he is slightly superior, Vader was far superior to Kenobi so the result of any force clash would be the same regardless.

sidious was also stronger with the force than yoda
yet it did not stop the grandmaster from disarming sidious and pretty much fighting him on equal ground.
(and post 66 sidious would roast this version of vader)

Love how you keep throwing random scales out there as if they will make your argument more convincing. Yoda was a match to Sidious' power, if Sidious was stronger it was the most negligible gap imaginable seeing how he used his full power and Yoda still deflected it back to him. Yoda disarming him has nothing to do with their power. Sidious is simply not as good of a duelist. Like we saw in the KS, Obi Wan matched Vader in dueling but was made a joke in the force. And no post 66 Sidious wouldn't roast Vader at all lol. The only semi direct connection we have between them in combat comes from the director herself and according to her Vader is a vastly superior combatant to a stronger Sidious.

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#35  Edited By SunshineDobbs

@kfvnegs:

unquantifiable

It's quite easy to quantify.

HR Yoda easily overpowers and then ragdolls a massive trawler:

A cheer went up, and Kantam was positive it came from the Nihil. What had they seen? Then the familiar rumble of a ship’s engines sounded from not far away.

“Kantam?” Cohmac said over the comms. “Do you see this?”

“Stand by.” The Nihil fog was unyielding, but at least the fighting seemed to have paused for the moment. Kantam waved a hand and the sky appeared, but it was almost immediately covered by a massive trawler passing overhead. A contingent of Nihil must have slipped into the next shipyard over and taken one to attack Starlight. “Cohmac,” Kantam called, already reaching a hand skyward. “Zeen. Can you… ?”

“Already here,” Zeen said, appearing from the mist alongside Cohmac. Both were badly scratched up and limping, but both had that fire in their eyes, ready to fight. Kantam passed Zeen their lightsaber. Already the Nihil were grunting and growling around them, turning back to the fight now that they’d gloated over their victory. Blaster bolts lit the fog.

That ship would not leave, though. Kantam would have to trust Zeen and Cohmac to keep them covered. This would take every drop of focus. One hand raised, the Force flowing through each beat of their heart, each cell of their body, Kantam imagined the Force like a wind, sweeping upward, swerving through the sky and then clenching around the ship like a giant fist. With a wrenching jolt, the trawler stalled directly overhead. Kantam was dimly aware of fierce fighting raging all around. The tiniest flicker in their concentration would rip into a seam that would undo all of it. The trawler quaked, and Nihil shrieked with rage in the fog. Slowly, it began to angle toward the ground.

Lula.

The image of her stricken face flickered through Kantam’s mind. She was in terrible, terrible danger, the station collapsing around her, a ravenous darkness closing in. But Kantam knew this. They had accepted it, and released. Accepted it, and released. Up above, the trawler yanked itself out of the dive, trying to lurch away from the Force’s grasp.

No!

“The lesson of Younglings we take on is one of the hardest ones for most Jedi to learn. To let go,” Yoda had said all those years before. A lesson Kantam had been learning over and over since. And maybe hadn’t learned at all.

In their mind, Lula’s face became Yoda’s became Lula’s. In truth, Kantam had released neither. They’d been holding on to Yoda all along, to his memory, to the hope he’d return. And of course! Who wouldn’t? But the mind in battle could hold only so much. And Kantam’s grip on the trawler was near to nothing as the ship crept forward and away into the sky.

No.

“I release you,” Kantam whispered to the ghosts and memories of their Padawan, their master. “I let go.”

The trawler plummeted several meters, and Kantam directed it away, using all their focus. Up ahead, the fog began to clear, revealing a mass of figures heading toward the battle from across the shipyard. Nihil reinforcements. Kantam could see them crawling from underground tunnels and launching forward, blasters raised. They had come so close. So close to making it out, to stopping whatever had been planned.

“Don’t stop,” Cohmac growled, seeing the trawler start to pull off again. “We’re not done yet.”

Kantam nodded, blocking out the triumphant cheers of the Nihil all around, the flickering images of Lula, Yoda, Torban, Avar … blocking it all out and focusing only on the trawler. Both hands raised, they called on the Force with every shred of their being, and then, very suddenly, the weight of it all became light, almost nothing, as something seemed to give way in the air all around them. Without releasing their grip, Kantam blinked into the fog. The Nihil reinforcements still sprinted toward them; Cohmac and Zeen still beat back attacks on either side.

The remaining fog, all that was left of that foul yellow-gray cloud, was swept suddenly away as if a heavy wind had blown in from the harbor. But there was no wind. All around Kantam, warriors looked to either side, confused. There in the middle of a wide-open area, the last bit of fog cleared to reveal a short hooded figure standing alone amid all that destruction and death. A bright green lightsaber extended from one hand; the other was raised to the sky. Master Yoda.

“A hand, it seemed you might need,” Yoda said. His eyes locked with Kantam’s.

Kantam gasped, tears sliding down their face. The entire weight of the trawler was gone now. Kantam dropped their hands, panting. Master Yoda made a single mighty sweeping motion, and the trawler above careened out of the sky, smashing directly into the charging Nihil horde with a fiery explosion. The whole shipyard shook with the blast. Nihil and Corellian defenders scattered as debris rained down on them. But the fight wasn’t over yet. Already, the remaining raiders began regrouping, forming tight clusters around the Jedi.

Midnight Horizon

Said trawler was slightly longer than a Longbeam but shorter than an MPO:

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On the Midnight Horizon Japanese cover we see a Longbeam and a MPO close to eachother, with the Longbeam being a little bit longer than half of the MPO:

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MPOs are about twice the length of the Tantive IV, which is 150m long:

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So HR Yoda overpowered and ragdolled a 150m long ship.

In LoTS, Vader brings down an already damaged freighter with effort, though we get no size for that freighter:

Engines exploded into flame and spit smoke. His Master raised his hands, forming one into a claw emitting jagged bolts of Force lightning that connected him for a moment to the ship. Vader imagined the interior of the craft lit up with the bolts of his Master’s power, the pilots screaming and writhing in pain as the dark side seared their flesh. The Emperor clenched his other hand, taking a mental hold on the ship with the Force. Vader, too, lifted a hand and reached out with the Force toward the other ship.

Vader enmeshed himself in the Force, in his seething, ever-present wrath, and used it to take hold of the freighter and drive the entire ship toward the ground. He grunted with the effort, his respirator increasing his rate of breathing to account for the exertion.

The ship, its damaged engines unable to compensate enough against the downward push of Vader’s power, went nose-down and streaked into the ground. Vader imagined the screams of the pilots as they watched the forest race toward them. The ship disappeared behind the tree line and exploded into a fireball that reached above the forest’s canopy and caused the ground to vibrate. A cloud of black smoke rose into the darkening sky.

Lords of the Sith

Next, Vader brings down a freighter in Obi-Wan Kenobi, again grunting here and clearly putting effort into it:

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This one we have a much clearer idea of its size, roughly 40m long going by the airspeeders besides it:

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Dawn of Rebellion

Then in Darth Vader (2020) #25, he again hold back a ship similar in size, if not smaller, it's not super easy to tell because it's a pretty different design, grunting in effort again. He also damages the circuitry of the ship, but eventually fails to bring it down:

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So 14 BBY Vader, 9 BBY Vader and 3-4 ABY Vader all land roughly in the same range of grunting in effort bringing down a 40ish meters long freighter. The only big unknown is Darth Vader post issue 25 of the 2020 run until RoTJ. That's where he get pretty big feats, though none that would directly factor into the comparison here, but that Vader also clearly has had a boost with the Force wave.

HR Yoda bringing down a ~150m long freighter > Vader consistently grunting in effort to try and bring down ~40m freighters, sometimes failing.

So that's partly why I said could stop at RoTJ Vader, but should clear before that.

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Umm so you are comparing a collective effort from multiple Jedi (even if Yoda was easily the most powerful) against a stationary ship, to holding a ship from jumping into hyperspace? The difference is literally enormous if you do the calcs. Not to mention you misinterpreted or never read the Vader comic because that ship was using ISD engines lol, that's why the crew was terrified that Vader could stop it. Now with the Force Wave added to this, Vader would be able to bring that ship down as easily as Yoda slammed down the 150m cruiser. For a case by case comparison, Avar who was pretty close to Yoda absolutely failed to stop a pretty small ship despite using all her power:

So yeah LOTS Vader does far better than Avar, who is not far off Yoda, while performing the exact same feat (with arguably a bigger ship) and OWK does far better than that with a much larger ship and with much less effort. ESB nearly stopped a ship with SD engines and current Vader should have no problem with that seeing how he is portrayed in the run.

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@kfvnegs: Which ship was trying to jump into hyperspace? Though let’s not overlook the clear fact that Palps is working with Vader on that freighter showing in LOTS, that’s quite clear.

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Umm so you are comparing a collective effort from multiple Jedi (even if Yoda was easily the most powerful) against a stationary ship, to holding a ship from jumping into hyperspace?

None of the ships involved in all of those feats were trying to jump into hyperspace. All of them were in the same situation of trying to first escape using their sublight engines to then get away using hyperspace.

The Midnight Horizon feat involves two Jedi, Kantam Sy, and Yoda. Maybe you were confused by Kantam using nonbinary pronouns They/Them?

First Kantam stops and then holds back the trawler, and it's explicitly established that it's trying to leave:

A cheer went up, and Kantam was positive it came from the Nihil. What had they seen? Then the familiar rumble of a ship’s engines sounded from not far away.

“Kantam?” Cohmac said over the comms. “Do you see this?”

“Stand by.” The Nihil fog was unyielding, but at least the fighting seemed to have paused for the moment. Kantam waved a hand and the sky appeared, but it was almost immediately covered by a massive trawler passing overhead. A contingent of Nihil must have slipped into the next shipyard over and taken one to attack Starlight. “Cohmac,” Kantam called, already reaching a hand skyward. “Zeen. Can you… ?”

“Already here,” Zeen said, appearing from the mist alongside Cohmac. Both were badly scratched up and limping, but both had that fire in their eyes, ready to fight. Kantam passed Zeen their lightsaber. Already the Nihil were grunting and growling around them, turning back to the fight now that they’d gloated over their victory. Blaster bolts lit the fog.

That ship would not leave, though. Kantam would have to trust Zeen and Cohmac to keep them covered. This would take every drop of focus. One hand raised, the Force flowing through each beat of their heart, each cell of their body, Kantam imagined the Force like a wind, sweeping upward, swerving through the sky and then clenching around the ship like a giant fist. With a wrenching jolt, the trawler stalled directly overhead. Kantam was dimly aware of fierce fighting raging all around. The tiniest flicker in their concentration would rip into a seam that would undo all of it. The trawler quaked, and Nihil shrieked with rage in the fog. Slowly, it began to angle toward the ground.

Lula.

The image of her stricken face flickered through Kantam’s mind. She was in terrible, terrible danger, the station collapsing around her, a ravenous darkness closing in. But Kantam knew this. They had accepted it, and released. Accepted it, and released. Up above, the trawler yanked itself out of the dive, trying to lurch away from the Force’s grasp.

No!

“The lesson of Younglings we take on is one of the hardest ones for most Jedi to learn. To let go,” Yoda had said all those years before. A lesson Kantam had been learning over and over since. And maybe hadn’t learned at all.

In their mind, Lula’s face became Yoda’s became Lula’s. In truth, Kantam had released neither. They’d been holding on to Yoda all along, to his memory, to the hope he’d return. And of course! Who wouldn’t? But the mind in battle could hold only so much. And Kantam’s grip on the trawler was near to nothing as the ship crept forward and away into the sky.

No.

“I release you,” Kantam whispered to the ghosts and memories of their Padawan, their master. “I let go.”

The trawler plummeted several meters, and Kantam directed it away, using all their focus. Up ahead, the fog began to clear, revealing a mass of figures heading toward the battle from across the shipyard. Nihil reinforcements. Kantam could see them crawling from underground tunnels and launching forward, blasters raised. They had come so close. So close to making it out, to stopping whatever had been planned.

“Don’t stop,” Cohmac growled, seeing the trawler start to pull off again. “We’re not done yet.”

So Kantam alone is holding back the 150m long trawler. And obviously, Yoda > Kantam.

Only after Kantam has been holding it alone for a while, definitely having a hard time doing it, Yoda arrives. It's also clearly said that by that point Kantam's TK is not effective since they sense no load:

The remaining fog, all that was left of that foul yellow-gray cloud, was swept suddenly away as if a heavy wind had blown in from the harbor. But there was no wind. All around Kantam, warriors looked to either side, confused. There in the middle of a wide-open area, the last bit of fog cleared to reveal a short hooded figure standing alone amid all that destruction and death. A bright green lightsaber extended from one hand; the other was raised to the sky. Master Yoda.

“A hand, it seemed you might need,” Yoda said. His eyes locked with Kantam’s.

Kantam gasped, tears sliding down their face. The entire weight of the trawler was gone now. Kantam dropped their hands, panting.

So by that point it's all Yoda doing the work.

Then he ragdolls it:

Master Yoda made a single mighty sweeping motion, and the trawler above careened out of the sky, smashing directly into the charging Nihil horde with a fiery explosion. The whole shipyard shook with the blast. Nihil and Corellian defenders scattered as debris rained down on them. But the fight wasn’t over yet. Already, the remaining raiders began regrouping, forming tight clusters around the Jedi.

This puts HR Yoda above the Vader from at least 14 BBY to ~3 ABY.

Not to mention you misinterpreted or never read the Vader comic because that ship was using ISD engines lol

If you interpret it that the ship is using literal ISD engines, and not just a similar type of engines made for a smaller ship, then I have a lot of bridges to sell you.

A single ISD engine or the reactor that powers it are both much bigger than that ship:

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You're saying the ship(In red) has the engines in yellow. It obviously physically can't be those engines.

For a case by case comparison, Avar who was pretty close to Yoda absolutely failed to stop a pretty small ship despite using all her power:

She was being affected by the Great Leveler, one of the Nameless, which was onboard that ship. In fact the whole reason she was there was because the Great Leveler had incapacitated Terec.

It's the Nameless' whole thing that they weaken Force users when nearby:

Elzar felt a tremor in the Force and came about. A shuttle was hanging in the air in front of the warship, its engines burning bright. He grinned as he realized what was holding it tight. Bell was on the ground, Loden Greatstorm beside him. They were struggling, the act of stopping the shuttle no mean task, but they were together again.

The universe had been put right.

Something caught his eye, on the edge of the battle cruiser. It was the open hatch he’d blasted, no doubt saving Loden’s life in the process. Unbelievably the figure in the armor was still standing, but for a split second Elzar thought he saw something else, something hunkered down on all fours, throwing itself from the air lock.

Elzar’s vision flared. Suddenly he wasn’t in the Vector anymore, he was back on Starlight writhing on the floor as images of the future tore through his brain. He cried out in confusion, unwittingly pushing down on the flight stick. Why was the Force punishing him like this? The prediction had come true, at least part of it. The Nihil had all but razed Valo to the ground, killing thousands in the process. It was over. It was done.

Wasn’t it?

Elzar’s Vector plunged nose-first into the ground below.

The explosion, whatever it was, rumbled beneath Bell’s feet. It might as well have been a planet away for all he cared. He was focused on the shuttle, staring into the blazing rockets, the glare burning deep into his retinas. He could feel Lourna Dee’s frustration as her ship bucked and lurched in the sky, but she wouldn’t get away. They would stop her. Loden and Bell tog—

The world shifted.

The ground was gone, the shuttle too, the sky screaming away to a riot of impossible colors. Bell was falling, but there was no one to catch him. He thought he heard a voice, his name screamed in terror.

Bell.

Bell. Help me.

The words bent in on themselves, echoing back and forth, losing all sense of meaning.

He hit something, hard. Pain blazed across his cheek, but he didn’t recognize the sensation. He didn’t know anything anymore. He didn’t know his name or where he was. He barely knew what he was.

Mist swirled around him, filling his chest, his skull, his soul. It was thicker than any war-cloud, denser than any fog. And there were teeth inside, teeth and claws and eyes and death. So many eyes. So much death.

The thing in the mist was everywhere at once—running, tearing, chasing him down—and there was nothing he could do, nowhere he could hide. It ripped through him, consuming everything he thought he was and everything he had yet to become. It was uncontrollable, a horror beyond name or understanding, and it was hungry. So very, very hungry.

Bell reached out for the Force, but it had gone the way of the ground and the sky. He was alone and he was powerless. All he could do was scream and scream and scream.

The Rising Storm

They ate together in companionable silence—or what Regald took to be companionable silence, until he glanced up from his meal to see that Indeera hadn’t even touched hers. He ventured, “Are you feeling all right?”

“No. I mean, yes.” She winced and rubbed at her temples. “Nothing is physically wrong with me. Tired, but that is of no consequence.” Indeera was stoic about such things. Yet even her impassive countenance couldn’t fully hide her disquiet.

Regald said, “Nothing’s physically wrong, you said. So what’s going on is—mental? Emotional? Spiritual?”

“Perhaps all of those, and yet…” Indeera shook her head. “It is difficult to speak of such things. But do you not feel it, Regald? At the very edges of your consciousness?”

He nearly asked her, What do you mean? Before he could pose the question, however, he understood the answer.

The weariness he was experiencing went deeper than aching muscles or a throbbing head. Bone-deep…no. Soul-deep. As though the vibrant colors of the Force had all faded to gray. Regald shivered, a fear response he thought he’d left behind as a youngling.

Still, there had to be a sensible explanation. “We’re all going through this together,” he suggested. “Every Jedi on this station is helping those who’ve come here for help, dealing with the last remnants of the Nihil. We’re each witnessing a lot of anger and fear. Of course that would be a psychic drain on us all.”

“Of course,” Indeera repeated, yet her eyes narrowed with suspicion. “But we have all been in situations like that before, and in none of those situations did I feel this terrible emptiness.”

Truth be told, Regald hadn’t ever felt anything like this, either. It wasn’t so much the presence of something awful as it was the absence of something else that should’ve been there. Something so basic and fundamental to the proper workings of the universe that he’d never recognized it and couldn’t even get a grasp on it while he was sitting here attempting to come up with a picture…

“Is that Bilbringi?” Nib Assek’s wrinkled face lit up with a tired smile as she came nearer. “Don’t mind if I do.”

Regald handed her one of the meat pies as she took a seat between him and Indeera. “Nib, how are you feeling right now?”

“Tired as all get-out,” she said, and though Nib still had a smile on her face, he could hear the weariness concealed within her good cheer. “Like my brain’s already taking a nap and my body’s eager to join it.”

“Are you sensing this strangeness?” Indeera said. “The…opacity of the Force?”

Nib’s valiant smile finally faded. “You, too?”

“We’re talking ourselves into it,” Regald said. His tone was firm; he’d let himself get sidetracked too easily. “We’re worn out, we’re emotionally compromised, and now we’re convincing ourselves to believe in ghosts.”

“Do you really think so?” Indeera kept staring into the middle distance, focusing on nothing.

“Yeah, I do. We like to think we’re wiser, we’re the Jedi, we’re in control of our minds and bodies—but in the end, we can be just as superstitious and suggestible as most people, if we let down our guard.” He punctuated this with an emphatic gesture with his meat pie. “Once we eat and give ourselves a breather for a few minutes, the feeling will vanish and we’ll hardly even notice.”

“You’re right,” Nib said, with determination. “Of course. Should’ve thought of it myself.” Indeera didn’t seem equally ready to believe him, but she started eating her meal, so Regald counted it as a win.

He ate. He tried to relax. And he succeeded.

Mostly.

The Fallen Star

Waking with a start, Stellan stared up at the ceiling, breathing hard. The desperate hunger he had felt in his dream gnawed at his belly as though he hadn’t eaten ample dinner. He tried to banish the illusion, but in the end rose from the couch and made his way to the desk. He rummaged through the drawers and found a small tin of ration powder. A little water and a swirl with his finger produced a sweet bun, which he ate as slowly as he could manage. It took all Stellan’s willpower not to devour the thing like a ravenous gundark.

Although the bun sated his hunger, the disquiet from his dream lingered. As always, after a particularly vivid dream, Stellan asked himself if this might be a sending from the Force, a message to which he should pay attention. Could it be a warning about the Drengir? Such hunger called them to mind immediately. Were they not truly defeated, and perhaps returning to threaten the Jedi again? But no sooner had he posed himself these questions than he became certain the answer was no.

It feels like the opposite of that, he thought, then wondered exactly what that meant.

He couldn’t articulate the reason, but knew that he was right. The dread that had seeped into his unconscious mind came not from the Force but from something else altogether.

Something that stood between him and the Force. Obscuring it, like clouds in front of a moon.

The Fallen Star

Orla let the Force guide her through the corridors; she encountered droids as she went, but no living beings. There was a definite destination—perhaps the main cargo bay, she thought—but the closer she came to it, the more uncertain she was of her own conclusions. The Force usually guided her steps more surely.

Footfalls along another corridor made her tense, and she whirled around to see another Jedi emerging from the side. He was a few years younger than her, quite tall, with messy brown hair and a friendly smile. Orla liked him on sight.

“You feel it too, huh?” the Jedi said, instead of hello.

“Definitely. Or I did. The closer I get, the farther away I feel.” Orla shook her head as if to clear it. “By the way, I’m Orla Jareni.”

This won her a grin. “The Wayseeker! I’ve heard a lot about you. My name’s Regald Coll.”

“And what brings you here, Regald?” She said it with a smile, the better to defuse the tension that threatened to curl around her mind. “The same sense of—” She trailed off as the true weight of what she felt sank in. “This…insistent dread?”

The Fallen Star

And there was no reason not to go. Orla’s trip to this cargo bay had resulted in nothing but some vague, unfounded worries about rathtar storage. Regald Coll, too, seemed nonplussed by their very ordinary surroundings. He shrugged, falling into step beside her as she left the bay.

I’ll investigate more later, Orla decided. Maybe my head will be clearer. At present, her connection to the Force was too confused for her to be sure of her thinking. Why was that happening? What would have the ability to do that to a Jedi?

Sooner or later—hopefully sooner—Orla intended to find out.

The Fallen Star

Within a few minutes, Elzar had reached a conclusion, one he didn’t like: Stellan was not attempting to hide physical pain. Instead he was doing a very poor job of concealing emotional distress.

When Stellan finished, Elzar didn’t even bother pretending he’d been paying close attention. “Will you tell me now what’s troubling you?”

He expected more denials. Instead Stellan’s face fell. “Would you believe—it is no more than a dream?”

“A dream? This can’t be because of a mere nightmare.”

“This dream lingers on and on—intruding on every waking moment.” Stellan leaned heavily against the desk, shoulders slumped. “It nags at me. It demands attention. And yet the details seem so insignificant. For some reason I can’t fully comprehend, this nightmare…this nightmare has darkened my connection to the Force.”

The Fallen Star

The news about the attack on the Jedi temple at Chespea would have been a terrible blow coming at any time. Coming at this time—with Starlight both overcrowded and seemingly haunted by some strange disturbance in the Force—it felt like every burden had become heavier to bear.

You’ve dealt with worse than this, Stellan reminded himself sternly as he and the other senior Jedi on board took their places around the wide table. You’re only overwhelmed because something’s interfering with your connection to the Force.

Though he would never have admitted it, he was also reckoning with Orla Jareni’s words earlier. She wondered if he knew who he was without the Order. That made Stellan wonder if he knew who he was without the Force at his beck and call, as it seemed to be no longer…

No. You remain bound to the Force. The connection is simply…disquieted for a while.

Stellan understood this on a purely logical level—nothing could destroy a Jedi’s connection to the energy that linked all living beings. However, the instability in that connection at present was leading to a certain shakiness of his moods and thinking. Looking around the room at a group of powerful Jedi experiencing their own levels of distress, Stellan knew he wasn’t the only one.

But he’d keep it together. He had to, for the good of this station, and perhaps the whole galaxy.

“Why should the Nihil attack such a small temple?” Indeera Stokes asked. “How are they a threat?”

“It’s not about threats, it’s about sending a message.” Orla Jareni stood apart from the others, as usual, distinct in her snowy robes. “The question is why now?”

Nib Assek said, “Do we think the Nihil have something to do with this—strangeness aboard Starlight Beacon?”

With a shrug, Regald Coll said, “How would that even work? In other words, no.”

“Then—with all respect to the fallen—” Elzar took a deep breath. “We need to set aside the question of Chespea for now. The Republic is taking action to police the hyperspace lanes, and the Council is already spreading the word, ensuring that other temples will be able to defend themselves. That means our most immediate concern remains taking care of the people who’ve taken refuge here.”

Bell Zettifar leaned forward, clearly hesitant to speak but compelled to do so. “With all due respect, I disagree. Our first priority should be investigating this disturbance in the Force on the station.”

He was right. Stellan felt a twinge of annoyance, because that was precisely what he ought to have said himself. The constant static at the edges of his consciousness—the prickling absence of his full communication with the Force—kept Stellan from ordering his thoughts as he should. He even had that strange nursery rhyme running through his head over and over, the one that began Shrii ka rai ka rai—

Focus, he told himself. “Is there a locus to the disturbance?” Stellan asked the group at large. He swiftly brought up a holoschematic of the station. “A place where we have each sensed this most strongly?”

From the corner, the logistics droid suddenly piped up, “I would be more than happy to compile all reports and map them on schematics of Starlight Beacon! This data could prove informative.”

Stellan nearly said yes, just to give JJ-5145 something to do. Before he could, however, Indeera Stokes said, “That won’t be necessary.” She rose and walked toward the holo, raising her hand to brush very near the dividing locks that connected the top and bottom parts of the station. “Here,” she murmured. “Somewhere around here.”

Stellan had not known that was the place until she said it, but through what strength in the Force remained to him, the rightness of her words reverberated within his mind. Beyond that—it wasn’t very far from the quartermaster’s office, where he’d been sleeping when the nightmare overwhelmed him. “Yes. Yes, that’s it.”

“Okay, what do we have around there?” Elzar gestured to zoom in on the holo. “Engineering—raw material stores—the main cargo bay—”

“Both Orla and I were drawn to the main cargo bay earlier,” Regald interjected. “We didn’t discover anything out of the ordinary there, and we were soon called away, but I’d say that’s more evidence that we need to center our efforts on that area.”

“Yes. So we search,” said Nib. “We find whatever this is. We learn what it is. And then we form a plan.”

Every bone in Stellan’s body told him not to search, not to get any closer. But that couldn’t be the Force warning him. The Force had been pushed too far away. It was fear whispering to him now, and he refused to give way to fear. Stellan would stand for it no longer. “I realize we all have other responsibilities at the moment, but insofar as our duties allow—yes, we search. Whatever this is, we’ll get to the bottom of it.”

Maybe, if he was lucky, the cause of their trouble would be something he could jettison into the closest star.

The Fallen Star

The Jedi aboard Starlight Beacon had a lot of administrative work to do.

What luck, then, that one of the many small tediums Wayseekers didn’t have to deal with was administration.

Orla Jareni drew her white cloak more closely around her as she took the lift downward toward the station’s cargo bay. When she’d been down here before with Regald Coll, she’d sensed something was afoot—though, at the time, she’d been distracted by trivialities such as rathtars and the idiots who transported them. On this trip, she would remain more focused on the real crisis at hand.

The lift doors slid open before the correct level, and Indeera Stokes stepped on. She and Orla exchanged brief nods, no more. Then, on the very next level—still too high—the doors opened again to admit Regald Coll, who gave a little half wave of welcome.

As they resumed their descent, Orla said, “I’m glad we’re doing this together. More people means we can cover more ground.”

“And I am definitely less likely to get into trouble for this if I’m not the only one down here on my own recognizance.” Regald paused as he ran one hand through his shaggy brown hair. “Should I have admitted that out loud?”

Indeera shrugged. “Probably not.”

“Stellan already gave us the go-ahead,” Orla reminded them—but she realized, even as she spoke, that their doubts were reflections of the uncertainty this disturbance was causing them all. Their brains might be interpreting it as worry about correctly obeying orders; really, the tension was far more amorphous, far less malleable to logic. “Let’s just keep going.”

The lift doors opened, and the three of them walked out onto the level above engineering. Below this point, she understood, Estala Maru and his astromech would handle matters. (Apparently he, too, was noticing the eerie, soporific silence of the Force at work.) Orla said, “How about we keep it simple? I’ll head left, Indeera, you can head right—”

“—And I’ll go straight ahead.” With a nod, Regald began walking, though he held up his comlink. “Let’s stay in touch, all right?”

“Good plan,” Orla said. Already she was projecting her attention ahead. Probably it was for the best that she was moving away from the cargo bay. The farther she stayed from rathtars, the better.

The Fallen Star

Indeera Stokes moved forward through relatively empty, quiet corridors. This level was largely used for storage, and she felt a moment’s dismay that they hadn’t been able to set up some temporary quarters down here for the refugees aboard. So much room, and the docking bay was becoming so crowded—

—but those people had their ships, which for the most part they wished to remain near. And while some of these compartments were empty, others were stocked with valuable components that couldn’t simply be left available to all and sundry.

You’re distracting yourself, she realized. You’re musing and mulling instead of opening yourself to the Force. That’s not going to help.

Do your work.

Indeera took a deep breath and reached out with her feelings. What she found was—

—was nothing.

The Force was not speaking to her here. There was the faintest…call it a whisper…proof that she hadn’t lost her mind, that the Force continued ever on, as it must. But for the first time since she was a youngling, Indeera had trouble connecting herself to the Force.

The sheer wrongness of it made her stumble. Indeera stopped and put one hand to her head. She had to concentrate. Why couldn’t she think? She should’ve eaten, earlier—it was hard to shake the thought that she was hungry—

Her comlink buzzed. Indeera took it up. “Stokes here—”

Help me.” The sheer terror in Regald Coll’s voice sent chills along Indeera’s skin. “Please—please—help me!

Indeera pivoted on her heel and ran back the way she’d come, intent on tracking Regald down. What was happening to him? She was suddenly, sharply afraid for him, more afraid than she’d ever been even for her own life. Her boots pounded against the floor as she turned this way, then that, seeking the path she’d seen Regald take earlier. This seemed to be the right direction…

Her steps slowed. Indeera swayed as she went, until finally she stumbled and had to catch herself against the nearest wall. She couldn’t see Regald, though she knew he could only be a few meters ahead of her. Why was it so dark here?

The lights were on, but it was as though—as though she couldn’t take in the light—

Indeera’s eyes opened wider as the floor began to melt. As the walls shifted color and shape. She knew she was hallucinating, but knowing did no good; reality was nowhere to be found. This phantasmagoria surrounded her, entrapped her, took away everything that was true and good.

The floor slapped her across her cheek, kicked her shoulder, shoved her hip. Indeera pawed feebly at her side for her lightsaber, but she couldn’t close her hand around it, and what good would it do besides? There was no enemy to fight. There was no place to stand.

There was no Force to guide her. It was gone, gone, gone forever, and she had not known it was possible to feel so frightened, so alone.

Tears welled in Indeera’s eyes, blurring everything around her until she could see no more.

The Fallen Star

In the medical tower, the situation was—well, not serene, but as close as any part of Starlight Beacon could come to it at present. When Bell Zettifar had first begun assisting the tower personnel in preparing for an influx of patients, he’d thought they’d be scrambling to keep up for some time to come.

But he’d underestimated the medical staff, the patients, the droids, the Force, even himself. They’d had to pull a few extra beds, but the wards remained orderly. All patients were being cared for, and they had (just barely) enough medical droids and supplies to go around.

“Can you believe it?” Bell asked Burryaga. “We actually pulled this off.”

Burryaga pointed out that the reward for restoring order in the medical tower would probably be getting assigned to restore order in the main docking bay.

“Then we’ll manage that, too.” For the first time in days, Bell felt almost like himself. The eerie distortion of the Force barely touched him, and he dared to hope that perhaps it was ending, fading away as mysteriously as it had begun.

A med droid in the corridor whined in dismay at the sound of footsteps hurrying toward their ward. Bell and Burryaga exchanged glances—another patient? They each knew that no more ships were supposed to be docking at Starlight Beacon anytime soon—before heading out to help. He just hoped there hadn’t been another Nihil attack; already, the number was beginning to make him nervous that this wasn’t just a few last remnants striking out, but perhaps a sign that the Nihil had more life in them than the Republic and the Jedi had hoped.

Upon stepping into the corridor, Bell saw that Orla Jareni was walking alongside a hovergurney, on which lay a Tholothian—

No, Bell thought in that first horrified moment. It can’t be, I would have felt it, how could I not have felt it?

His Master, Indeera Stokes, lay on the stretcher as gray as death.

Another of Bell’s Masters had been cut down, and the Force had told him nothing.

The Fallen Star

It was very nearly “evening” aboard the station. Bell Zettifar was overdue to collect his dinner ration, but he refused to leave his Master’s side. Even Ember had taken a place beneath the medical bed and curled into a ball to sleep.

Master Indeera remained unconscious. Her frightening twitching had ceased, but Bell didn’t know whether that was a good sign or a terrible one. The med droids had reported that all of her vital functions had slowed tremendously—as they might in someone of very great age—but that they continued to flow. While there was life, there was hope. Yet Bell felt farther away from that hope than he had been in a long time.

A soft growl made him look up. Burryaga stood there, holding not one but two packets of dinner rations.

For the first time since Master Indeera had been brought in, Bell was able to smile, sort of. “Thanks. I appreciate it.”

Burryaga handed him the smaller of the two packets (Wookiee rations were, understandably, more ample), and together they wordlessly took places at a small table nearby. The food had so little flavor that Bell thought he might as well have been munching leaves.

No, scratch that, he realized. Some leaves taste great. Emergency rations don’t.

It was Burryaga who broke the silence, asking kindly after Master Indeera, though surely her condition was obvious.

“Nothing’s changed,” Bell said. “I wish I could reach her through the Force, but I can’t.”

Burryaga growled a suggestion—what if they worked together? If they both reached out, perhaps they would prove stronger than whoever or whatever was muffling the Force aboard Starlight.

Bell wasn’t certain. The Force didn’t operate according to mathematical principles. Two Jedi working in combination might have a greater effect, or might not.

Still, it wouldn’t hurt to try.

After finishing their rations, they returned to Master Indeera’s bedside. Bell stood facing Burryaga, and something about that moment made him realize that their friendship had deepened, these past few days—and he’d needed a friend more than he’d realized. “Thanks for being here,” he said quietly.

Burryaga simply inclined his head, then closed his eyes, silently summoning Bell to begin.

Bell closed his eyes, too. He took a deep breath—then another—then began reaching out with his feelings. A memory from the crèche drifted through his mind: Master Yoda teaching the younglings how to do this for the first time, whispering to them, Let go. To this day, it helped Bell to imagine how Yoda had sounded when he said it.

At least, it usually did.

Today was different.

Bell reached out and did not find the Force. He could still sense it, but at a great distance, and it did not flow through him. It was…distorted. Twisted. Wrong.

He couldn’t connect with Master Indeera, even subconsciously. Bell could only barely detect Burryaga’s presence, and that was with Burry not even a meter away and actively reaching out to him as well.

Bell’s eyes opened to see Burryaga looking equally stricken. He whispered, “It’s all wrong for you, too?”

Burryaga nodded.

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A storage area a few levels below the cargo bay—just beneath engineering—held a trove of independent power cells. Reaching them meant getting even closer to a heavily irradiated zone, which also happened to be the area where the station was most in danger of breaking apart. In other words, not the place most people would want to be at that particular time.

But if Starlight survived the impending breakup, the power cells could keep life support running, and therefore would make the difference between life and death. That made it Elzar Mann’s job to collect as many as he possibly could.

Wearing a breath mask, he clambered up the ladder and exited on the correct level. Starlight Beacon had felt shaky down near the docking bay, but that had been nothing compared with this. Even the emergency lights were down to half power, if not less, so everything was rendered in shadow and gray. The floor, the walls, the stranded bits of debris that had been knocked loose—everything trembled, so strongly that Elzar had difficulty keeping his balance. For the first time in this crisis, he called upon the Force to help him; it answered, but only as a shadow of itself. A shiver traveled along his spine. Whatever was disturbing the Jedi’s connections to the Force was stronger here…

He shut down. No more Force, no more Jedi powers. They could only harm him now, and the station had no time. He didn’t require the Force to get his work done and get the hell out.

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BOOM!

The blast nearly threw Bell to the floor, but he managed to stay upright and hang on to Ember—barely. Cries of panic from the patients within disturbed him, but he kept his cool. Air still flowed. The power remained on. Bell dashed to the nearest viewport, peered outside, and shouted for joy. “We did it! Ember, we did it!”

Ember began wriggling happily in his arms, licking Bell’s face. She knew only that he was happy, and he was ecstatic, because what he saw was the remainder of Starlight Beacon floating away, with the medical tower completely separate and free. Better yet, the force of the explosion had pushed the tower farther away from Eiram.

The LT-16 rolled up to him, squeaking, “Jedi Zettifar, the Eiram medical cruiser reports that they have us in their tractor beam. They’ll move us out of the descent path and attempt boarding shortly.”

“Great,” Bell said, grinning widely. “Spread the news among the patients, okay?” He intended to follow shortly behind, in order to tell Master Indeera himself; even if she couldn’t hear him yet, it was important to him to be able to say the words, You’re safe.

And perhaps she could hear him—Master Indeera’s consciousness remained intact within her, even if stifled by her injury…

It hit Bell, then, just how much more he could perceive through the Force than he could’ve just minutes ago. As Starlight Beacon drifted farther and farther away, the terrible draining damage to his connection to the Force faded. His abilities were coming back in full; until this moment, Bell hadn’t comprehended just how badly they had been diminished.

He thought of every Jedi still trapped aboard Starlight: Elzar Mann, Stellan Gios, and above all Burryaga. Bell knew now that they were all but separated from the Force. How could they ever overcome? Was there any hope for those still aboard Starlight Beacon?

The Fallen Star

Elzar watched in horror as Burryaga—still choking in the rathtar’s grip—slashed out wildly with his lightsaber. The other rathtar tried to grab the shiny thing with a tentacle and came close enough to knock the lightsaber out of Burryaga’s hand. It tumbled downward, and Elzar reached out with the Force to grab it—

—but it was hard, so hard, as though even reaching for the Force caused pain, and it responded so feebly—

—and when Elzar finally caught it, he felt exhausted, as though he’d been trying to levitate for hours.

Is this what the other Jedi have been struggling through all this time?

The Fallen Star

So just by being close to the Nameless she was having her abilities massively weakened. Avar even mentions that Lourna Dee shouldn't have been able to get away. Her not being able to completely hold back that ship while weakened is not representative of her full abilities.

And like said previously, Yoda overpowered and ragdolled a 150m long trawler, which is at least enough to put him above pretty much all versions of Vader before the Force Wave.

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None of the ships involved in all of those feats were trying to jump into hyperspace. All of them were in the same situation of trying to first escape using their sublight engines to then get away using hyperspace.

Vader's ship pull involves a ship trying to escape and he brings it down while it's moving away. According to your own sources, Kantam was already holding the ship in place while heavily struggling of course. Yoda helps him with TK, but by the time he brings it down the ship is stationary as Kantam is still holding it in place. That's far less impressive than Yoda grabbing it out of the sky while it's moving away at large speeds.

This puts HR Yoda above the Vader from at least 14 BBY to ~3 ABY

No it doesn't.

If you interpret it that the ship is using literal ISD engines, and not just a similar type of engines made for a smaller ship, then I have a lot of bridges to sell you.

I don't see why this matters. If a smaller engine can produce the same energy as the ISD ones then the feat is equally impressive. That's what said engine was created for anyway. And almost stopping and damaging an ISD engine is far superior to slamming down a stationary ship 10 times smaller.

She was being affected by the Great Leveler, one of the Nameless, which was onboard that ship. In fact the whole reason she was there was because the Great Leveler had incapacitated Terec.

It's the Nameless' whole thing that they weaken Force users when nearby

Fair enough I'll concede here since I don't know much about HR.

And like said previously, Yoda overpowered and ragdolled a 150m long trawler, which is at least enough to put him above pretty much all versions of Vader before the Force Wave.

Yoda slammed down a ship that was held in place by another FU's TK. Yes it's pretty impressive but Yoda didn't overpower the engines so it's nowhere near close to Vader's feat.