Hercules/Namor/Wonder Man/Ironman VS Team 2

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#1  Edited By Darth_Nimrod
IRONMAN, WONDER MAN, NAMOR AND HERCULES
IRONMAN, WONDER MAN, NAMOR AND HERCULES
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COLOSSUS, THE THING, RED HULK AND ABOMINATION
COLOSSUS, THE THING, RED HULK AND ABOMINATION

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Battle happens in an indestructible planet. No BFR. Morals off. Perfect teamwork. No Loebforce. Ironman has his Extremis armor. Wonder Man is at the peak of his power. Namor and Hercules are at classic levels, and the former starts fully hydrated, while the latter has his adamantine mace. Colossus has the powers of Juggernaut. The Thing is at modern levels. Abomination is at the peak of his power (before his death). Who wins?

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T1

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Team 1

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Full power Wonder Man is decisive, it's the mvp. I think Team 1 win.

Ironman is pretty useless. The thing is below, too.

If in the Wonder Man scenario was not 100%, I think Team 2 wins.

Here team 1 wins

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Team 1, with minor difficulty.

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#7  Edited By Toratorn

Abomination beats Iron Man, Ben whoops Simon like he did many times before, Colossonaut beats Namor down and Rulk stalls Hercules until others are done so they can stomp him together.

Alternatively, Ben manhandles Iron Man, Colossonaut overwhelms Simon, Rulk beats Namor and Abomination holds his own against Herc. Even if Abom loses, it's still 3v1 and Herc gets stomped once again.

Basically, Iron Man can't win any match-ups, Namor could at best maybe stall Ben or Abom, Wonder Man's only good match-ups are Abomination or Rulk and Herc can be stalemated long enough by anyone from team 2 (assuming Abomination isn't jobbing).

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Hercules is the only relevant one on team 1

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@toratorn: How do you think this would go if everything stayed the same, but with Colossus at modern levels (no Juggernaut powers)?

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#10  Edited By Toratorn

@darth_nimrod: Colossus would become a massive weak link, would lose any match-up and would put his team at a disadvantage. Colossus is not very good consistency. In the absolute best case he might try to stall Iron Man until his teammates deal with their opponents, but I doubt he will hold his own long enough. Then again, Iron Man is not particularly useful against the remaining team 2 fighters.

In any case, team 2 will have a much harder time with regular Colossus than Colossonaut.

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Team 1 wins.

Namor >/= Hercules >/= Simon >/= Ironman

Everyone on Team 2 jobs too much (even Ben... sorry bro).

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@rockette: this is classic Namor, not the current Aaron's one.

Also, no one on team 2 jobs as hard as Iron Man does. Dude can't beat Captain America to save his life.

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@toratorn said:

@rockette: this is classic Namor, not the current Aaron's one.

Also, no one on team 2 jobs as hard as Iron Man does. Dude can't beat Captain America to save his life.

Standard Namor (non-PIS/WIS) is consistently more powerful in his entirety than anyone here.

Ironman (depending on the suit, I'd say Extremis & above) is > anyone on Team 2, even if Tony is the relative weak link on Team 1.

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@toratorn: When did he lose to Captain America??

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#16  Edited By Toratorn
@rockette said:

Standard Namor (non-PIS/WIS) is consistently more powerful in his entirety than anyone here.

No he's not. The only one who he may be stronger than here is Iron Man, and even that's debatable considering the amount of long fights they had. Even back in classic times he got wrecked by Wonder Man, got dominated by Ben underwater when the later got serious, and could only stalemate Herc. He also couldn't beat Abomination under his own power, he needed to abuse his environment to win.

Ironman (depending on the suit, I'd say Extremis & above) is > anyone on Team 2, even if Tony is the relative weak link on Team 1.

Extremis Iron Man couldn't scratch Rulk and Bleeding Edge could do nothing more than make him grunt even when Tony was going all out. Colossonaut is at least as strong as Rulk, if not stronger, and Ben is significantly behind (if at all). Hell, I don't know what kind of logic made you place Iron Man above Abomination. Iron Man is not only the weakest of his team, but the weakest one here period.

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@marlboroman: maybe not lose, but he couldn't beat Cap in Civil War, in Time Runs Out and in Secret Empire.

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@toratorn said:

@marlboroman: maybe not lose, but he couldn't beat Cap in Civil War, in Time Runs Out and in Secret Empire.

None of those fights were really 1v1 except for Time runs out and in that fight Cap had a Iron Man suit.

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@toratorn said:

@marlboroman: maybe not lose, but he couldn't beat Cap in Civil War, in Time Runs Out and in Secret Empire.

None of those fights were really 1v1 except for Time runs out and in that fight Cap had a Iron Man suit.

That doesn't change the fact that during Civil War Cap was able to seriously damage Iron Man's Extremis Armor when they were fighting each other, and that shouldn't have happened. The fight in Secret Empire was a 1v1 from the start, and it's made worse for Tony since he was disabled by a falling debris while Cap was fine.

And as for Time Runs out, Cap was convinced that he would be killed by Sam Wilson while wearing that armor in AXIS. And even when he had the helmet destroyed, a bloodlusted Tony hit him right in the face with a repulsor and Cap just continued fighting. So all 3 of these inctsancies feature Tony jobbing ectremely hard to Steve.

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@rockette: Not Red Hulk , like he jobs the least on his team.

I do see him beating both Namor and Ironman and stalling Hercules.

It ultimately comes down to Rulk and Hercules, which could go either way.

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