Hell lords vs Odin

- Team is consisted of Hela, Pluto, Satanish, Blackheart and Mephisto

- Morals off, Odin has destroyer armor and belt of strength

- No prep, battle take place in neutral dimension, who wins and why?

mephisto solos

@KINGJAMES447 said:

mephisto solos

Ummm no.

@BigCimmerian said:

@KINGJAMES447 said:

mephisto solos

Ummm no.

i know i was kidding because this is a spite thread

@KINGJAMES447 said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@KINGJAMES447 said:

mephisto solos

Ummm no.

i know i was kidding because this is a spite thread

It's not spite, I know that Odin is more powerful than anyone on this team, but I think they could probably win if they unite against him, also I made this thread in hope that someone will inform me about Hela and Pluto power levels.

No way. Odin was having a helluva time facing Seth inside Asgard.

And Satannish is potentially the most powerful one here considering that he can just ask his creator to hand him more power.

@BigCimmerian said:

@KINGJAMES447 said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@KINGJAMES447 said:

mephisto solos

Ummm no.

i know i was kidding because this is a spite thread

It's not spite, I know that Odin is more powerful than anyone on this team, but I think they could probably win if they unite against him, also I made this thread in hope that someone will inform me about Hela and Pluto power levels.

it is a spite none of those characters can beat odin outside there realm i don't even think hela can leave her realm

Le sigh***

Odin takes this like a fat kid snatching free candy on halloween

Hell lords easily.

@BigCimmerian said:

@KINGJAMES447 said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@KINGJAMES447 said:

mephisto solos

Ummm no.

i know i was kidding because this is a spite thread

It's not spite, I know that Odin is more powerful than anyone on this team, but I think they could probably win if they unite against him, also I made this thread in hope that someone will inform me about Hela and Pluto power levels.

Hela is quite a margain above Thor. Pluto has defeated Hela in the past, and has beaten Thor twice ( Thor later returned the favour when he beat both Ares & him at the same time ), and the Defenders. He wheres adamantium amour. So it's sorta weird, lol. As for the battle Odin will win.

@KINGJAMES447: She has, and can leave her realm.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morningsaid:

No way. Odin was having a helluva time facing Seth inside Asgard.

And Satannish is potentially the most powerful one here considering that he can just ask his creator to hand him more power.

Really now? Who is Satanish's creator?

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@KINGJAMES447 said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@KINGJAMES447 said:

mephisto solos

Ummm no.

i know i was kidding because this is a spite thread

It's not spite, I know that Odin is more powerful than anyone on this team, but I think they could probably win if they unite against him, also I made this thread in hope that someone will inform me about Hela and Pluto power levels.

Hela is quite a margain above Thor. Pluto has defeated Hela in the past, and has beaten Thor twice ( Thor later returned the favour when he beat both Ares & him at the same time ), and the Defenders. He wheres adamantium amour. So it's sorta weird, lol. As for the battle Odin will win.

@KINGJAMES447: She has, and can leave her realm.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morningsaid:

No way. Odin was having a helluva time facing Seth inside Asgard.

And Satannish is potentially the most powerful one here considering that he can just ask his creator to hand him more power.

Really now? Who is Satanish's creator?

Dormammu

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: Odin is just as powerful as Dormamm, if not more.

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: Odin is just as powerful as Dormamm, if not more.

As powerful. Nowhere near more so.

Also together the Hell lords can win.

@CadenceV2 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: Odin is just as powerful as Dormamm, if not more.

As powerful. Nowhere near more so.

Also together the Hell lords can win.

Channeling a multiversal attack.

@ThunderGodsWrath: He Channeled the Attack.

Producing the attack or out right stopping the attack > channel the attack.

I dont see where this is such a huge feat when on Regular Odin gets KO by Galactus.

Or with 3 other Skyfathers, and many Millennial of prep, and Destroyer Armor cant beat a single Celestial of the 4th Host.

So hardly a Multiversal Feat.

Odin wouldn't stand a chance vs Dormammu

Hell lords probably

@ThunderGodsWrath: The energy was universal, Surtur was going to channel the same energy through otherworld , so the effect was similar to dropping a matchstick in a well of gasoline. Something similar was stated in the issue as well, i can look for the panel if you are interested

@CadenceV2: I really really dont think Hell Lords together, outside their realm would stand better odds against Celestial or Galactus. More recent appearences , and a retcon of his biggest feat, sort of put Dormammu at or around skyfather level, outside Dark Dimension, or without a polar shift.

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Odin wouldn't stand a chance vs Dormammu

I am curious, why not?

Odin...Blackheart is a non factor and Mephisto is weak outside his realm...Odin is above Hela.

Odin wins especially with the destroyer armor and Seth woud be able to wreck them too.Dormammu would also be able to wreck the team.

@Killemall said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: The energy was universal, Surtur was going to channel the same energy through otherworld , so the effect was similar to dropping a matchstick in a well of gasoline. Something similar was stated in the issue as well, i can look for the panel if you are interested

@CadenceV2: I really really dont think Hell Lords together, outside their realm would stand better odds against Celestial or Galactus. More recent appearences , and a retcon of his biggest feat, sort of put Dormammu at or around skyfather level, outside Dark Dimension, or without a polar shift.

Oh, my bad. Thought it was multiversal, still a good feat regardless. Dormammu doesn't seem to be as powerful as his Classic self. Marvel had rectonned some characters. Like Thor, Wonder Man, & Mephisto.

@CadenceV2: Dormammu hasn't done nothing good lately. How about I show him being trapped by Damian Hellstrom.

1. Getting beat by Galactus? Who was mid fed? That's not even bad. He dropped Galactus for a little, same thing would happen to Dormammu.
2. Odin didn't even really prep for the Celestials. All he did was make the Destroyer Amour, and gave him self the Odin Sword, and put all the Asgardian souls except Thor into it. The only thing he really did is make his Destroyer Amour, and The Odinsword. The Asgardian amp was in the same day. Regardless your trying to lowball him, evel though he took on not 1, not, 3, not even 7, but 9! So how is that bad?

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@Killemall said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: The energy was universal, Surtur was going to channel the same energy through otherworld , so the effect was similar to dropping a matchstick in a well of gasoline. Something similar was stated in the issue as well, i can look for the panel if you are interested

@CadenceV2: I really really dont think Hell Lords together, outside their realm would stand better odds against Celestial or Galactus. More recent appearences , and a retcon of his biggest feat, sort of put Dormammu at or around skyfather level, outside Dark Dimension, or without a polar shift.

Oh, my bad. Thought it was multiversal, still a good feat regardless. Dormammu doesn't seem to be as powerful as his Classic self. Marvel had rectonned some characters. Like Thor, Wonder Man, & Mephisto.

When has Thor been retconned? Its been stated many times that current Thor=classic Thor. Just because some characters hasn't done the same feats in the past doesn't mean they have been retconned.

Technically, Hela and Pluto are the weakest ones and they are not true "Hell Lords" but rather Pantheons who were employeed to be the Gate Keepers of the after life. 

Mephisto and Blackheart are intangible ethereal demons that can use their power to form a physical body for themselves to interact with the physical world.

If you think about it for a minute, Odin had some effort of exertion fighting against other corpeal beings such as Surtur from Muspelheim from the 9 PHYSICAL WORLDS. 

@King-Stranglehold da first: He hasn't been rectonned, but Thor back in the 60's is different from Thor now. As of the other beings too. Also it's never once been stated that Current Thor=Classic Thor. It's just fans say that, because they believe there the same level. I used to believe this too. Classic Thor is like Silver Age Superman, there not competiable. Classic Thor had some insane feats, like absorbing galaxy, and 1/5 universe destroying blasts, stopping time, putting people to sleep, molecure manipulation, 1000x hotter than sun blast, soul stealing. I am not sure about this. Ask @Killemall, he's good with characters histories.

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@King-Stranglehold da first: He hasn't been rectonned, but Thor back in the 60's is different from Thor now. As of the other beings too. Also it's never once been stated that Current Thor=Classic Thor. It's just fans say that, because they believe there the same level. I used to believe this too. Classic Thor is like Silver Age Superman, there not competiable. Classic Thor had some insane feats, like absorbing galaxy, and 1/5 universe destroying blasts, stopping time, putting people to sleep, molecure manipulation, 1000x hotter than sun blast, soul stealing. I am not sure about this. Ask @Killemall, he's good with characters histories.

Again this does not mean he was retconned and classic Thor is NO WHERE NEAR the level of silver age Superman...Show me classic Thor busting a galaxy or moving a bunch of planets. And show me Thor absorbing a galaxy...I never seen that. Its just the writers tonning him down so he wouldn't be to powerful. And also I am hearing that Thor is slowly getting back to his classic self. Writers such as Hickman are writing him like his classic days. And Thor sure looked powerful against Glory.

@King-Stranglehold da first said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@King-Stranglehold da first: He hasn't been rectonned, but Thor back in the 60's is different from Thor now. As of the other beings too. Also it's never once been stated that Current Thor=Classic Thor. It's just fans say that, because they believe there the same level. I used to believe this too. Classic Thor is like Silver Age Superman, there not competiable. Classic Thor had some insane feats, like absorbing galaxy, and 1/5 universe destroying blasts, stopping time, putting people to sleep, molecure manipulation, 1000x hotter than sun blast, soul stealing. I am not sure about this. Ask @Killemall, he's good with characters histories.

Again this does not mean he was retconned and classic Thor is NO WHERE NEAR the level of silver age Superman...Show me classic Thor busting a galaxy or moving a bunch of planets. And show me Thor absorbing a galaxy...I never seen that. Its just the writers tonning him down so he wouldn't be to powerful. And also I am hearing that Thor is slowly getting back to his classic self. Writers such as Hickman are writing him like his classic days. And Thor sure looked powerful against Glory.

I never said he was as powerful as SA Superman. Okay, but I agree with you. Hickerman does seem to want to return Thor.

Here is the galaxy destroying bomb feat.

Thor created a vortex which completely contained the explosion ( 1/5 universe destroying exsplosion )

Odin crushes them.

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@King-Stranglehold da first said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@King-Stranglehold da first: He hasn't been rectonned, but Thor back in the 60's is different from Thor now. As of the other beings too. Also it's never once been stated that Current Thor=Classic Thor. It's just fans say that, because they believe there the same level. I used to believe this too. Classic Thor is like Silver Age Superman, there not competiable. Classic Thor had some insane feats, like absorbing galaxy, and 1/5 universe destroying blasts, stopping time, putting people to sleep, molecure manipulation, 1000x hotter than sun blast, soul stealing. I am not sure about this. Ask @Killemall, he's good with characters histories.

Again this does not mean he was retconned and classic Thor is NO WHERE NEAR the level of silver age Superman...Show me classic Thor busting a galaxy or moving a bunch of planets. And show me Thor absorbing a galaxy...I never seen that. Its just the writers tonning him down so he wouldn't be to powerful. And also I am hearing that Thor is slowly getting back to his classic self. Writers such as Hickman are writing him like his classic days. And Thor sure looked powerful against Glory.

I never said he was as powerful as SA Superman. Okay, but I agree with you. Hickerman does seem to want to return Thor.

Here is the galaxy destroying bomb feat.

Thor created a vortex which completely contained the explosion ( 1/5 universe destroying exsplosion )

Thanks for posting those scans! But I was just trying to state that just because a character hasn't looked powerful for years doesn't mean they have been retconned. I know this may not be a good example, but Terrax was looking like a jobber for years and then in Annihilation he sliced a planet in two I believe. Gladiator is a big jobber and he hasn't been doing anything great, yet it has not been stated that he has been retconned...

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning:

Surtur > Mephisto, Satanish, Blackheart, Pluto, Hela combined. He is considered to be universal level and above Odin in power.

@BigCimmerian said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning:

Surtur > Mephisto, Satanish, Blackheart, Pluto, Hela combined. He is considered to be universal level and above Odin in power.

Surtur is stronger than Pluto and Hela.

He is weaker than the Incorpeals.

Mephisto can easily wipe out galaxies but it is AGAINST HIS PURPOSE. He doesn't care about physical reality... All he cares about is the planes above.. The plane were souls dwell.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning:

Surtur > Mephisto, Satanish, Blackheart, Pluto, Hela combined. He is considered to be universal level and above Odin in power.

Surtur is stronger than Pluto and Hela.

He is weaker than the Incorpeals.

Mephisto can easily wipe out galaxies but it is AGAINST HIS PURPOSE. He doesn't care about physical reality... All he cares about is the planes above.. The plane were souls dwell.

Ok, I'll make a thread Mephisto vs Surtur.

@Killemall said:

@CadenceV2: I really really dont think Hell Lords together, outside their realm would stand better odds against Celestial or Galactus. More recent appearences , and a retcon of his biggest feat, sort of put Dormammu at or around skyfather level, outside Dark Dimension, or without a polar shift.

My point exactly. Odin is not Galactus or Celestials Level. Hes a Sky Father and I truly believe this many Hell Lords at once will best him ;)

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@CadenceV2: Dormammu hasn't done nothing good lately. How about I show him being trapped by Damian Hellstrom.

Whoa Whoa Whoa!

Daimon Hellstorm is the best Exorcist in all of Marvel. Dormammu possessed Hoods body and was easy pickings as a result ;).

Hellstorm is all a Hell Lord himself.

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Odin wouldn't stand a chance vs Dormammu

I am curious, why not?

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Odin's greatest enemy is Surtur. Look at it this way. Odin's power is extreme and of a magical nature. He is at most a galaxy buster. The Classic Doctor Strange who was "the most powerful man in the multiverse" according to the Beyonder was horrified of Dormammu. Dormammu's feats obviously outweigh Odin but I try to look at it like this. Marvel for the most part has weigh classes, like in boxing. Every now and then, you can go up a weighclass or 2 and be a baller. Do well. Roy Jones or Pacman or Duran-esque fighters. However for the most part you should be the king of your weight class. Which is why Marvel has a p4p class too (imo there are a few contesting). Dormammu is like middleweight, sometimes light heavy weight, Odin is more of a jr lightweigh or maybe all out a light weight. 2 different weightclasses based on opponents and feats. There's very few all star P4Ps but there are a few

1. Classic Doctor Strange being the most powreful man in the multiverse is a hyperbole much like Hulk having limitless strength said by the same person, Beyonder. Not to mention Beyonder was drunk.

2. Which particular feat from Dormammu puts him above Odin, since you are convinced his feats outweigh Odin, specially one done outside his realm and without a polar shift.

3. The rest of Dormammu being a middleweight and Odin being a lightweight, seems like your interpretation and your interpretation only, is there anything to substantiate that.

4.For the record, Surtur > Classic Strange, as far as random encounter is concerned. I have been reading up on classic strange and its funny how most of his feat on comicvine are taken totally out of context.

@CadenceV2 said:

My point exactly. Odin is not Galactus or Celestials Level. Hes a Sky Father and I truly believe this many Hell Lords at once will best him ;)

That sounds like a very weak argument, sorry. You are saying Odin would lose to Hell Lords because he is not Celestial or Galactus level, what i am asking is based on what are Hell Lords, outside their realm on the same level as the two.

I personally dont see the point, but meh.

@King-Stranglehold da first said:

And Thor sure looked powerful against Glory.

He had an amped from God during that fight, something stated on panel and backed by the bio.

Gladiator is a big jobber and he hasn't been doing anything great, yet it has not been stated that he has been retconned...

Could you quote me an instance where a fed Galactus has jobbed? I am curious.

As per not having done anything great:

1. Annihilation, a hungry weak Galactus with one blast destroyed 3 star systems and destroyed most of annihilation wave with it.

2. In Thanos Imperative Galactus stood up to the Galactus engine , the same engine against whom Celestials were like ants and the entire group of Celestial fled.

3. Fantastic Four: War of 4 Cities, Galactus having consumed 4 planets killed 3 Mad Celestials from Earth 4280, same mad celestials who tanked a blast from alternate IG, a blast from alternate UN, and killed an alternate Reed with Starbrand (so that last part makes them more powerful than Living Tribunal really, so yeah, f&*k you Hickman).

4. Thor Annual 01 , under Fraction, Galactus nearly destroyed the multiverse as a side effect of his fight against The Other and Scarier.

All of these feat done with the span of last 4 years, not sure where you are getting he hasnt being doing anything great from.

@Killemall:

You need to work on your reading comprehension because I clearly said Gladiator, I did not even mention Galactus. -__-

@King-Stranglehold da first said:

@Killemall:

You need to work on your reading comprehension because I clearly said Gladiator, I did not even mention Galactus. -__-

Oops my bad, apologies

The point however still stands, what has Gladiator done in classic days that puts him completely different from his current days. Because he destroyed a un-named planet with few blows, is that what you are getting at?

Gladiator has never been more powerful than Thor from his first appearence. So how does Gladiator never having done anything change the fact that Thor in is Classic Days was using abilites never seen for more than 40 years now?

Gladiator hasnt been retconed, he was never as powerful as people would have liked. He is pretty much a Thor, BRB class hero with the only difference being speed. Thats about it.

@Killemall:

In his classic days he was busting planets and taking on people like Tyrant, now he gets beat by people like Black Bolt...And also I never said Gladiator was retconned I was making a point with him.

@King-Stranglehold da first said:

@Killemall:

In his classic days he was busting planets

Busitng Planets? He has done that once, to an un-named planet or as referred to a scan "rock" with 3 blows.

taking on people like Tyrant

Not sure why taking on people like Tyrant is consequential, when he did so with 4 other herald level beings and most importantly got stomped.

now he gets beat by people like Black Bolt.

While i have not seen him being beaten by Black Blot, even in classic days Reed Richard made a mockery out of him.

And also I never said Gladiator was retconned I was making a point with him.

I never accused of you saying Gladiator was retconned, i am trying to understand what point you are making. Gladiator clearly wasnt "that" powerful in his classic days, was extremely fast and has been extremely fast, but thats about it. He isnt any better than Thor level and has lost to Thor before. Not really sure what point you are trying to make.

@Killemall:

What I'm trying to say he has jobbed a lot...

@King-Stranglehold da first said:

@Killemall:

What I'm trying to say he has jobbed a lot...

Given his abilities are as a result of his confidence, a weakness easily exploitable his jobbing makes sense.

That being said Thor has jobbed a lot, but that wasnt the point. Point was classic days Thor did have access to a lot more powerful than he has today, powers that have not been used for a long time, and likely powers that are long forgotten. Thats why people are of the opinion that Thor got a rolling retcon, as in not official taken away, just that writers have decided to write Thor as a lot less powerful beast.

@Killemall said:

@King-Stranglehold da first said:

@Killemall:

What I'm trying to say he has jobbed a lot...

Given his abilities are as a result of his confidence, a weakness easily exploitable his jobbing makes sense.

That being said Thor has jobbed a lot, but that wasnt the point. Point was classic days Thor did have access to a lot more powerful than he has today, powers that have not been used for a long time, and likely powers that are long forgotten. Thats why people are of the opinion that Thor got a rolling retcon, as in not official taken away, just that writers have decided to write Thor as a lot less powerful beast.

So you think Odin wins? :D

@Killemall said:

@King-Stranglehold da first said:

@Killemall:

What I'm trying to say he has jobbed a lot...

Given his abilities are as a result of his confidence, a weakness easily exploitable his jobbing makes sense.

That being said Thor has jobbed a lot, but that wasnt the point. Point was classic days Thor did have access to a lot more powerful than he has today, powers that have not been used for a long time, and likely powers that are long forgotten. Thats why people are of the opinion that Thor got a rolling retcon, as in not official taken away, just that writers have decided to write Thor as a lot less powerful beast.

Still doesn't confirm that he has been retconned..

@King-Stranglehold da first: Gotcha !

@Killemall: Actually Thor was only amped in the second time he fought Glory. Redirecting Glory's attack was his doing. When Mikaboshi revived Glory the second time, he made him more powerful. That's when Thor needed, and recieved power from TOAA.

@CadenceV2: Dormammu hasn't done nothing good lately. How about I show him being trapped by Damian Hellstrom.

Whoa Whoa Whoa!

Daimon Hellstorm is the best Exorcist in all of Marvel. Dormammu possessed Hoods body and was easy pickings as a result ;).

Hellstorm is all a Hell Lord himself.

LOL I was joking, just tring to lowball him :P. Damian is a Badass!