Rules
- No prep time.
- Both have their weapon(s).
- Win via Death.
- Both start 40 ft. apart.
- Both are in character.
- Who wins?
I think Gil is a superior swordsman but things like Sharingan, CS2, and Kirin give Sasuke the edge. I don't think it's big stomp or anything, I just don't know what he could do to counter all that.
Gil has superior physical stats but his lightening would have no effect on Sasuke so I'd have to say sasuke
@silentnightz: Well sharingan gives an advantage in cqc against characters of same tier in speed, kid kakashi is already a lightning timer, and hebi sasuke scales to him in speed.
So yea sharingan will give him a definitive advantage in this fight in reading Gils movements in cqc.
And about versatility, sasuke has genjutsu which gil has no answer too, snake summonings, flight, lightning techniques, fire style techniques, substitution etc
@silentnightz: First of all EMS Sasuke never fought the raikage, it was MS Sasuke, secondly it has been established that lightning in naruto is faster than real life lightning based on zetsu's statement.
And regarding your counter argument...
• Sasuke can use snakes as meat shields like he did against deidara's c2 explosives.
• sasuke will surely be hurt by some of his attacks ( but we know he hit himself with chidori to diffuse the nano bombs he inhaled against deidara, and he took fire style technique with CM2 wings and also some explosives from deidara, not to mention he can use oral rebirth, substitution, and snakes as meat shields for defence so I'd say he'll be okay regardless) , but then again gilthunder is not as versatile, he attacks with lightning bolts and engages in cqc, lightning bolts wont really put down sasuke when we know kakashi could cut lightning bolt with raikiri and he stopped kakuzu's raiton attacks with raikiri meaning sasuke could do the same and stop lightning attacks with lightning.
• I am not saying sasuke infinitely spams substitution, just saying its an option he has which can be used to avoid a lethal attack. And yea sasuke does use substitution especially hebi sasuke who was smarter in battle. He used it against deidara.
And then for additional points as to why sasuke wins;
• Kirin - on a normal ground kirin is hard to prep but sasuke facing someone that changes the weather works to his advantage, it'll be much easier for him to prep kirin considering Gil forms clouds while attacking with lightning bolts, sasuke's kirin is above anything Gil tanked and will oneshot him.
• Genjutsu - Gil literally has no way of defending against that.
And gilthunder doesn't really have the higher AP like you suggest.
@silentnightz: First of all EMS Sasuke never fought the raikage, it was MS Sasuke, secondly it has been established that lightning in naruto is faster than real life lightning based on zetsu's statement.
I'm pretty sure it was EMS Sasuke, but you could be right. TMK lighning jutsu in Naruto is still just inferior to senjutsu(natural lightning).
It was NOT EMS Sasuke, MS sasuke was the one that attacked the kage summit and tried to kill danzo (succeeded) then after the fight kakashi and co tried to stop sasuke, that was when he got blind, obito took him back and implanted itachi's eyes in him. Whats TMK lightning jutsu?? And no kirin is not senjutsu based, was never classified as one nor does it have senjutsu properties, senjutsu chakra has to be molded too youbknow, they don't just come off on every natural thing like rain or natural storms etc, senjutsu is chakra thats molded with (spiritual/physical/nature energies combined into 1).
• Sasuke can use snakes as meat shields like he did against deidara's c2 explosives.
I don't recall Sasuke using any snakes as meat shields except Manda but that was against C0. Have to go double check.
He used a smaller snake to block a c2 explosion, manda tanks anything Gil has up his sleeve
• sasuke will surely be hurt by some of his attacks ( but we know he hit himself with chidori to diffuse the nano bombs he inhaled against deidara, and he took fire style technique with CM2 wings and also some explosives from deidara, not to mention he can use oral rebirth, substitution, and snakes as meat shields for defence so I'd say he'll be okay regardless) , but then again gilthunder is not as versatile, he attacks with lightning bolts and engages in cqc, lightning bolts wont really put down sasuke when we know kakashi could cut lightning bolt with raikiri and he stopped kakuzu's raiton attacks with raikiri meaning sasuke could do the same and stop lightning attacks with lightning.
Sasuke can emit Chidori form his entire body, he's never been hit by it. That's how he diffused the bombs. As for the other techniques you listed, they have lower AP than Gilthunder's attacks and still did damage to Sasuke.
Sasuke isn't immune to lightning style attacks. Kakashi cutting and negating lightning 1) isn't a form of resistance, it's a counter I never said it was a form of resistance, I said sasuke could counter Gils thundorbolts using the same tactic, and 2) has nothing to do with Sasuke. Sasuke is a bit more resistant to due to his chakra nature but it still affects him. No sasuke does have a similar move, and he is knowledgeable on the fact that raikiri could stop lightning bolt so I'm pretty sure he'd try using the same counter considering how smart he is.
He did hit himself with chidori to diffuse the nano bombs though (he didn't stab himself with it yea) but he sure hit himself.
• I am not saying sasuke infinitely spams substitution, just saying its an option he has which can be used to avoid a lethal attack. And yea sasuke does use substitution especially hebi sasuke who was smarter in battle. He used it against deidara.
He used it once against Deidara, so I presume he can only use it once per fight(to avoid NLF)?
Substitution jutsu is not a chakra taxing jutsu and it can be used more than once thats for sure, but lets for the sake of argument assume he uses it once...
And then for additional points as to why sasuke wins;
• Kirin - on a normal ground kirin is hard to prep but sasuke facing someone that changes the weather works to his advantage, it'll be much easier for him to prep kirin considering Gil forms clouds while attacking with lightning bolts, sasuke's kirin is above anything Gil tanked and will oneshot him.
Gil can counter Kirin with Iron Hammer of the Thunder Emperor, which is also out of Sasuke's tanking range. Gilthunder has better durability feats and more versatility with lightning.
Iron hammer is much weaker than kirin, so thats no counter actually, Gil can't stop kirin at the end of the day which will oneshot him..
• Genjutsu - Gil literally has no way of defending against that.
If Gilthunder blitzes, he won't have to deal with genjutsu, and he does have blitzing rights based on what I've seen of Sasuke at this point(he's not faster than lightning). Gil can blitz and strike multiple times at this speed meaning his combat speed is higher than Sasuke's as well.
As I said, Sasuke scales scales to a lightning timer, and in naruto lightning is faster than IRL (by quite a good margin), so logic dictates he is more than fast enough to react to gilthunder.
And gilthunder doesn't really have the higher AP like you suggest.
I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise. He did throw a spear like 7 miles, he's faster, and has a higher combat speed. His lightning attacks are large hill level at the least, large mountain-city level AP. He should have what it takes, but tell me how you scale this version of Sasuke.
Yea he threw a spear 7 miles (while enhanced with lightning), he is a superhuman after all, logically speaking superhumans on their levels should easily do something like that, its just that feats like that are not thrown around. Gilthunder being large mountain level is you highballing him, he has NO feat that puts or scales him to large mountain level as he doesn't scale to any commandment or anyone with large mountain feats. He should be town + level ish
Gilthunder is superior in everything, he has enough stats to match Meliodas in H2h and magic power to create Thunder storms, Sasuke gets obliterated until he gets armored susanoo.
not gonna use the genjutsu wank to give sasuke a win because genjutsu, if sasuke could win every battle with genjutsu then the Raikage should of been a simple fight.
Gilthunder is superior in everything, he has enough stats to match Meliodas in H2h and magic power to create Thunder storms, Sasuke gets obliterated until he gets armored susanoo.
not gonna use the genjutsu wank to give sasuke a win because genjutsu, if sasuke could win every battle with genjutsu then the Raikage should of been a simple fight.
The same Raikage that fell to basic genjutsu from madara? Did you forget that they're trained to counter genjutsu? Sasuke wasn't good enough to trap the raikage but he still managed to trap a genjutsu specialist. I dont recall gilthunder having any illusion resisting feats.
Yeah Gil would destroy Hebi Sasuke and maybe even Taka Sasuke he has better durability,skills in lightning, and better speed.
@silentnightz: except the raikage was looking directly at sasuke. He even said that "mere sharigan is no match for me" but later was taken down by madara with mere sharingan. Point is that sasuke wasn't good enough to put him in a genjutsu at the time. You can resist a sharingan genjutsu just fine of you're trained well enough, clearly sasuke was too much for Cee.
Also the chakra thing was debunked. Animals and normal people were put in a genjutsu. Show me some illusion resisting feats from Gil.
@silentnightz: looking back madara did use his EMS on the raikage while sasuke only had the MS. Sasuke doesn't need to be the best of the best, he's already good enough since he managed to put deidara in one and he's been training to counter itachi's genjutsu, but still couldn't do anything against sasukes genjutsu.
I'll have to reread the earlier chapter, but one big feat is kaguya putting the world in a genjutsu before chakra was thing among people. Say what you will but genjutsu is still genjutsu regardless of how its done.
@silentnightz: yes that was MS Sasuke cause after killing Danzo than he got the ems eyes
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