Hawkman vs Metal Bat

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Hawkman (Carter Hall, Post Crisis)

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Metal Bat

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

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Isn't Hawkman an high tier?

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#4  Edited By seastone98

Carter is inconsistent 2 say the least, sometimes he can slug it out with aquaman other times he has a hard time with deathstroke & blockbuster

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#5  Edited By Xebec

Metal Bat if he gets pumped up.

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Carter is inconsistent 2 say the least, sometimes he can slug it out with aquaman other times he has a hard time with deathstroke & blockbuster

This, I think Metal Bat wins.

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Isn't Hawkman an high tier?

In a very inconsistent way, I would say so, I don't know much tho about him to say where he is, maybe PR knows.

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Metal Bat.

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Isn't Hawkman an high tier?

No. Nth metal gear lets him play on a higher tier against the right kind of opponents, and he's one of those characters where combat skill helps with higher tiers. He has solid midtier striking power with his mace.

Hawkman attacks living planets.
Hawkman attacks living planets.
Leaves craters so large he cannot be seen in them.
Leaves craters so large he cannot be seen in them.

Those are giants and Atom is grown to giant size instead of shrunk for context (relative to being within the microverse).

For scale.
For scale.

Take away the mace and I'd argue he's street tier by feats. Enhanced strength and durability, vision, healing, flight, and combat skill. Scaling is inconsistent and people tend to look at non-standard equipment (claw of horus).

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@ashrym: I don't know if Metal Bat could tank that. Though that is mostly because I have no idea how big that crater is.

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#11  Edited By ashrym

@mee09 said:

@ashrym: I don't know if Metal Bat could tank that. Though that is mostly because I have no idea how big that crater is.

There's a Thanagarian spaceship at the bottom that also cannot be seen.

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This is the scaling with Hawkman inside the ship. The crater looks somewhere between multiple city blocks and small town, but the full crater was after 3 blows with the mace to get down into the planet.

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@ashrym: Interesting... Well I don't think Metal Bat could take very many of those. But it would be hard for Hawkman to land an attack that Metal Bat wouldn't block or reduce it's damage.

It would be a good fight.

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Carter is inconsistent 2 say the least, sometimes he can slug it out with aquaman other times he has a hard time with deathstroke & blockbuster

Post-Crisis Aquaman was always in the tier of being given a match by Deathstroke also, so I wouldn't see that as inconsistent.

But I don't remember Aquaman ever fighting Carter so I don't think that matters much. He fought Katar Hol all the way back in 1994, before Carter was well-established in the Post-Crisis continuity.

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@ashrym: @namelessmonster:Hm, thanks for answering. Then it depends on how much pumped Metal Bat gets, or if Hawkman is durable enough.

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@ouroborik: The fight between Post Crisis Aquaman and Deathstroke that comes to mind Deathstroke was targetting weaknesses and still struggling to even hurt Aquaman. PC Aquaman has a lot of feats well beyond Deathstroke. Too many writers reinvented him. He's far more consistent now and matches up with the higher end PC feats better.

The more modern Aquaman / Hawkman encounter was Waller's JLA and that was the version of Hawkman who had Nth metal in his blood. It was brief and inconclusive as part of the large battle just before Trinity. That's the version who also fought Lobo and Despero. Oddly, that's also the version that lost to Deathstroke. ;-)

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#16  Edited By ashrym

@morningstar999 said:

@ashrym: @namelessmonster:Hm, thanks for answering. Then it depends on how much pumped Metal Bat gets, or if Hawkman is durable enough.

Hawkman's durability is typically high street too, better bludgeoning than penetration resistance. He blocks with the mace too like a shield and that's a lot better.

Smashing through a skyscraper and cratering the ground a bit stuns and hurts Hawkman. The key is getting by the mace to hit him.

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My vote goes to Metal Bat, for now.

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Deathstroke has always been about fighting opponents with stats above his own.

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@ouroborik: The fight between Post Crisis Aquaman and Deathstroke that comes to mind Deathstroke was targetting weaknesses and still struggling to even hurt Aquaman. PC Aquaman has a lot of feats well beyond Deathstroke. Too many writers reinvented him. He's far more consistent now and matches up with the higher end PC feats better.

The more modern Aquaman / Hawkman encounter was Waller's JLA and that was the version of Hawkman who had Nth metal in his blood. It was brief and inconclusive as part of the large battle just before Trinity. That's the version who also fought Lobo and Despero. Oddly, that's also the version that lost to Deathstroke. ;-)

Aren't you talking about New 52 and Rebirth showings? OP said this is Post-Crisis Hawkman :P

Post-Crisis Aquaman, despite having some really impressive feats in certain categories, was consistently given challenges by high street-tiers and low mid-tiers thorughout his career. Black Manta, Ocean Master, that cyborg guy who killed his dolphin mom, he even lost against a single OMAC at the end of his Sub-Diego run (although I call that bad and inconsistent writing since Aquaman had tanked way more impressive blasts before).

And Deathstroke has always been about fighting way more powerful opponents so I don't see anything inconsistent with their fight. Sure, comparing with Aquaman fighting the Olympian or an Imperiex Probe it seems weird, but Aquaman has always been like that. It was only when Geoff Johns completely retconned his history and powers in 2010 for Blackest Night/Brightest Day that Aquaman became a complete super-strength/brick hero (which, IMHO, really downgraded his appeal as a character).

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Deathstroke has always been about fighting opponents with stats above his own.

@ashrym said:

@ouroborik: The fight between Post Crisis Aquaman and Deathstroke that comes to mind Deathstroke was targetting weaknesses and still struggling to even hurt Aquaman. PC Aquaman has a lot of feats well beyond Deathstroke. Too many writers reinvented him. He's far more consistent now and matches up with the higher end PC feats better.

The more modern Aquaman / Hawkman encounter was Waller's JLA and that was the version of Hawkman who had Nth metal in his blood. It was brief and inconclusive as part of the large battle just before Trinity. That's the version who also fought Lobo and Despero. Oddly, that's also the version that lost to Deathstroke. ;-)

Aren't you talking about New 52 and Rebirth showings? OP said this is Post-Crisis Hawkman :P

Post-Crisis Aquaman, despite having some really impressive feats in certain categories, was consistently given challenges by high street-tiers and low mid-tiers thorughout his career. Black Manta, Ocean Master, that cyborg guy who killed his dolphin mom, he even lost against a single OMAC at the end of his Sub-Diego run (although I call that bad and inconsistent writing since Aquaman had tanked way more impressive blasts before).

And Deathstroke has always been about fighting way more powerful opponents so I don't see anything inconsistent with their fight. Sure, comparing with Aquaman fighting the Olympian or an Imperiex Probe it seems weird, but Aquaman has always been like that. It was only when Geoff Johns completely retconned his history and powers in 2010 for Blackest Night/Brightest Day that Aquaman became a complete super-strength/brick hero (which, IMHO, really downgraded his appeal as a character).

Doh!

I missed the PC Hawkman. My bad.

I don't recall PC Hawkman being on par with current Hawkman.

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I it's PC I'm not sure as his best feat iirc was breaking a mace on a kryptonian's face which is hard to scale imo WHat's metal bat capable of. I more or less but Carter in a similar league of low mid with characters like Classic Venom

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#21  Edited By EcstaticGrace

@ouroborik said:
@seastone98 said:

Carter is inconsistent 2 say the least, sometimes he can slug it out with aquaman other times he has a hard time with deathstroke & blockbuster

Post-Crisis Aquaman was always in the tier of being given a match by Deathstroke also, so I wouldn't see that as inconsistent.

But I don't remember Aquaman ever fighting Carter so I don't think that matters much. He fought Katar Hol all the way back in 1994, before Carter was well-established in the Post-Crisis continuity.

the only time Aquaman and Deathstroke fought Post-Crisis it had Deathstroke bounce off Aquaman’s muscles and resort to blinding and dropping a building on him just so Slade could run away. It wasn’t presented as a fight Deathstroke had any legitimate argument of winning.

Deathstroke couldn’t even hurt Aquaman. He tries to kick him while he’s blind and he’s not even fast enough to do that and this was early Post-Crisis Aquaman.

The only other fight I believe they had was Flashpoint and that went like this.

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Aquaman had a brief encounter with Hawkman in JLA Classified under Johns where Hawkman is holding Arthur in the air with his mace choking him. But id question going off one panel. Because I’m pretty sure that fight was one maybe 2 panels at the most. Then the only other instance I can’t think of is that Katar Hol fight but Katar typically is a whole different beast than Carter.

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@ecstaticgrace: I remember that Post-Crisis fight against Deathstroke pretty well. I think it's one of the best showings for Aquaman's reflexes at the time because Deathstroke could do some really impressive stuff like evade Superman. But I do think the way Slade bounced off him is weird because Arthur occasionally had more trouble with guys I'd think Slade would be able to deal with pretty easily.

Or I'm just overrating Slade, i don't know.

I did not know about Aquaman and Hawkman fighting (for however brief it was) in JLA Classified, I have to check that out.

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@ouroborik: I think Aquaman’s durability ranged based off that whole being around water thing. There was that issue in his solo comic where he was struggling with some dudes who cheapshotted but then sent a grown man flying across a room with a finger flick.

I do think Aquaman ranged overall physically during Post-Crisis but I’d argue he had more consistent highs than lows.

Yeah the Aquaman/Hawkman scene I’m referring to in JLA Classified was the same arc Aquaman fought Despero.

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@ouroborik: Slade just has a ridiculous amount of plot power. I have a hard time using him as a benchmark.

PC Aquaman and Hawkman both varied a lot with writer.

The JLA Classified example is a bit suspect as well because Aquaman was being controlled by Despero at the time. It's an example of physicals against Despero followed by Hawkman.

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