R1: random encounter
R2: A week prep for loser of R1
R3: A week prep for both
@allstarsuperman: Well he could get info from shield, which in a shared universe would no doubt have info on the green arrow ans footage of his fighting style
Clint one shots, not even close to debatable
How on earth did you reach such a remarkable conclusion?
@thesuperor: in fairness, hawkeye has an unrealistically good shot. Ollie is borderline possible irl
@thesuperor: in fairness, hawkeye has an unrealistically good shot. Ollie is borderline possible irl
Splitting incoming arrows mid air and shooting incoming grenade launcher is borderline possible? I really think not.
@thesuperor: fair point hmm...
@worldsgreatest: how and why?
R1 - Ollie kills him.
R2- Clint comes prepared to be killed by Ollie.
@yolo2546: I’m not a CW wanker. Hawkeye has better stats. Like fighting Ultron Bots in CQC that can tank bullets,crush concrete with their bare hands and lift cars. He was able to shove an arrow through a bots head.
Not to mention he took multiple blows from T’Challa and scales to BW who could take hits from Proxima.
Man can also shoot 3 arrows in 1.9 seconds and dodge Tony’s repulsors which are super sonic.
So he’s outclassing Oliver in archery and speed.
Oliver wins all rounds no question.
Green Arrow should win a random encounter for the majority.
Hawkeye has more lethality with his due to having better combat arrows. Though due to how good Arrow still is with his bow, he should be able to manage to hold his own in the bow battle well enough fr the fight to come to close-up.
Hawkeye has even shown to being willing to take away his range and do close-combat.
GA has notably better physical and should out-skill in close combat here. Giving GA the melee edge.
GA has also shown massive tactical awareness. Like seen when he spotted the weak point in Atom's suit shortly after meeting. GA has shown further use of removing his foes weapons and tagging arrows out of mid-air (once even with his side-throwing-knife). GA has also proven to catch arrows mid-air. These factors should help to allow him to last long enough against Hawkeye's better equipment.
Points can be noted for Hawkeye being able to combat the likes of Black Panther. Though assuming HE to be physically relative is a long-shot. High doubt HE can overpower a war-rhino. Also in their fight BP was just evading HE the entire time. Somehow HE got BP into a hold, of which BP casually got out of. HE by concept and showings is not comparable to BP.
Points for Arrow could be made that he was able to physically overcome and defeat a strength drug enhanced Slade Wilson. The same guy who scales to other users of the same drug, who were able to punch a hole into a metal shipping container. GA is not consistently showing this capacity, so its a stretch to give him such a stat.
OVERALL, GA can hold his own well enough at the range game to compete with Hawkeye. They should meet in close-combat, where GA takes the notable edge.
GA should win 7/10 the random encounter.
As for R2. Hawkeye should know to keep his distance. GA does hold up well in a range battle, but Clint should be able to bring a better understood mindset for this fight. Perhaps even a sword for close combat. This should help give Clint the edge. 6.5/10. As Arrow still is powerful at range and close-combat even with a worse melee tool. HE could even get in a sneak attack kill/stun shot at the start with his prep if he manages to do so properly.
Round 3 GA should win a prep battle. He has actually shown ways of prep before in the past on many occasions, like when learning to counter Damian's magical telekinesis, or that time he rematched a meta who can't feel pain and made short work of the meta in their rematch by cutting his tendons leaving him immobilized: just to name a few. While HE hasn't shown enough prep, likely to just using better gear.
For this fight, GA has an arrow that disarms foes. Some sort of magnet arrow. https://gfycat.com/tireddeficientdog is he uses this, he should be able to disarm HE entirely. The gif shows it only working on guns. GA's bow might be made of something different to allow this to not affect his weapon here. We have also seen GA with different bows, some made of wood. GA has also gone up against other bowmen so many times. While HE hasn't shown to face off with someone similar, this should give GA a better edge, and better knowledge as to what he can prep against, based on R1 and 2, along with his years of fighting so many different bowmen. GA should take a higher majority here. 8/10
I have seen some comments already made in here. GA does have some showings to overcome HE pressing GA with HE's fire rate. A factor that doesn't matter when GA can casually swat away 3 arrows at the same time. https://gfycat.com/agreeableunselfishasiaticgreaterfreshwaterclam#?speed=0.9 or how about the time he's also shot a grenade out of mid-air as well. https://gfycat.com/littlespicyesok-respectthreads#?speed=0.9 Better yet, how about the time took an arrow done mid-air with his hip dagger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIuBCeKdav8 (1:56-1:58). Perhaps the time he shot an arrow out of mid-air with his own, caught their next one and shot it back... https://gfycat.com/frequentreadybedbug-respectthreads-whowouldwin#?speed=0.9
@yolo2546: I’m not a CW wanker. Hawkeye has better stats. Like fighting Ultron Bots in CQC that can tank bullets,crush concrete with their bare hands and lift cars. He was able to shove an arrow through a bots head.
Not to mention he took multiple blows from T’Challa and scales to BW who could take hits from Proxima.
Man can also shoot 3 arrows in 1.9 seconds and dodge Tony’s repulsors which are super sonic.
So he’s outclassing Oliver in archery and speed.
I have seen MCU movie but never Arrow, cuz Arrow bad so I know best.
@lord_god: You are welcome to answer my question as well.
@lord_god: You are welcome to answer my question as well.
What worldsgreatest has posted should be sufficient.
@lord_god: You are welcome to answer my question as well.
What worldsgreatest has posted should be sufficient.
His post didn't make any sense at all. You have to do better than that. Dude has clearly never watched Arrow.
Clint one shots, not even close to debatable
@lord_god: You are welcome to answer my question as well.
What worldsgreatest has posted should be sufficient.
His post didn't make any sense at all. You have to do better than that. Dude has clearly never watched Arrow.
It made perfect sense. He can casually stomp ultron bots, which are incredibly strong.
@crimson_comet: Shouldn't clint lose with a sword anyway since Oliver can take on Ra's
@yolo2546: While that is true. Round 2 should still go to Clint, as he should know not to do close-combat from his prep. With most of his majority win rate coming from keeping the distance and using more lethal arrows. The sword is just a side point, that does help Clint further compared to not having it. But the sword alone is not the direct reason for his majority. Its a secondary one, that just aims to back him having a better chance since the sword should help him at close-up. If Clint, however, only adds a sword for his prep, than Arrow should still be able to overcome Clint in combat, as a melee weapon advantage alone is not enough for Clint to overtake the majority here.
Very relative to how Clint goes about his prep. We barely see Clint do prep. Most we got is seeing how he chose to prep a solid selection of dangerous arrows when he joined the avengers in A1 going into the final fight for NYC. So its likely he brings along something relatively comparable, perhaps with an added sword.
It could be argued that Clint might have no clue what he is up against, relative to if Shield will or wont have GA files for him to prep from, or if his prep is as simple as a picture, or just his round 1 experience. Thread doesn't clarify. With honest prep, Clint should be able to overtake. If the prep is 'weak' than Clint goes in thinking of Robin Hood references: which shouldn't help much.
@lord_god: You are welcome to answer my question as well.
What worldsgreatest has posted should be sufficient.
His post didn't make any sense at all. You have to do better than that. Dude has clearly never watched Arrow.
It made perfect sense. He can casually stomp ultron bots, which are incredibly strong.
Except the ultron bots were actually really weak and inconsistent. Oliver dropping Dominators is way more impressive. Ultron bots were down for the count with a single arrow.
So fighting ultron bots does not equate to being able to fight an opponent who is way faster on the draw with his bow, just as accurate in short-mid distance, who is also a casual arrow timer, significantly more skilled in close quarters as well as much more durable and far stronger.
I am not seeing what you are seeing. Only chance Hawkeye has is instantly blowing him up with an explosive arrow, which isn't in-character for Hawkeye. He'd also need prior knowledge on Oliver to know that he won't tag him with the arrow, so he'd have to hit the ground besides him.
@thesuperor: Very true. Ultron Bots proves far less durable than they had any logic being. While Dominators were just inconsistent.
With some walking through gun fire, while others could give Steel and Supergirl trouble.
We have even seen Green Arrow and Vixen hold up better against Dominators. Showing how vast Dominator's vary. A better showing than Ultron bots,
Could argue that GA had help in the last gif with Diggle's gun assist, but that still shows how vast Dominator's are. Since SG and Steel > Bullets.
Look even closer in the background and you see standard big boy Heatwave just booting one.
@slade-prime: Clint did better against Loki than he did Black Panther.
BP casually evaded HE the entire fight. Somehow HE got BP into a hold from behind, and BP casually popped the boy off and went off with his day as HE didn't get up after that.
HE got slapped. Fighting someone and being finessed by them means little. Comparing HE to BP is shameful towards BP.
Dude can't do this all day, he practically has to take a dump before his fights to avoid doing more damage to his drawers than any honest opponent facing him.
In truth though, HE does have the range edge here due to his better arrows. GA should take the combat edge.
This is stupid. Clint fought BP. He can do this all day.
All year. Stop wanking Oliver and lowballing Clint
This is stupid. Clint fought BP. He can do this all day.
@the_magister: why?
Oliver still wins rounds 1 and 3 for sure. Not sure about round 2, I don’t remember Clint having any prep feats.
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