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#1 Edited by Adication (1915 posts) - - Show Bio
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Most Current Versions, Weapons, and Equipment. Random Encounter / No Prior Knowledge

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#3 Posted by KingTPhil (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

Since this is CV, Oliver stomps, because Clint's abilities are plot-driven.

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#4 Posted by TheSilentRipper (2530 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Edited by nfactor1995 (13000 posts) - - Show Bio

Though this has been done numerous times before, it is actually a close fight if both have their standard gear and this is a random encounter. Also, Hawkeye is much more willing to go for the kill right away so he won't hesitate to use trick arrows the moment he finds out Oliver is a legitimate threat.

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#6 Posted by 44orhsaJ (1579 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye has the edge at a distance IMO where as Oliver wins if he can close the gap.

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#7 Posted by HelixFlameYT (1929 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye wins this quickly. If he doesn't Green Arrow will win in H2H. This has been done at least 10 times.

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#8 Posted by BoostMyGold (350 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye is the superior archer by a significant margin and his trick arrows are a bit more varied. Clint has the advantage at range but Ollie wins at CQC.

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#9 Posted by Adication (1915 posts) - - Show Bio

@helixflameyt: @thesilentripper: @bflynn316: true it has been done but they all have plots scenarios and stipulations. This does not and this can change on a weekly basis or within the next year when we get more info and feats for each character.

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#10 Posted by Hawkman180 (240 posts) - - Show Bio

Real close could go either way I say Oliver.

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#11 Posted by bflynn316 (2666 posts) - - Show Bio

@helixflameyt: @thesilentripper: @bflynn316: true it has been done but they all have plots scenarios and stipulations. This does not and this can change on a weekly basis or within the next year when we get more info and feats for each character.

Characters always get new feats. You're still not supposed to make a new thread, just comment in the original. I'd suggest checking up on the battle forum rules if you haven't yet, they go over this.

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#12 Posted by nerdchore (8214 posts) - - Show Bio

Ollie wins.

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#13 Edited by Stryzzar (396 posts) - - Show Bio

Been done before, I was in the debate last time. Very clear that Oliver wins.

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#14 Posted by Stormdriven (17975 posts) - - Show Bio

Same argument as always. Clint from range, Oliver up close.

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#15 Posted by Tayssti (1328 posts) - - Show Bio

Same argument as always. Clint from range, Oliver up close.

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#16 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by SirNeko (4397 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver 10/10

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#18 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Posted by TheSuperor (6943 posts) - - Show Bio

Been done so many times, but Oliver still wins

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#20 Posted by PayneInTheAss (11928 posts) - - Show Bio
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#21 Posted by huthimamwa (2594 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye has a lot more dangerous/versatile arrows. He can thank Shield tech/Stark tech for that. If he goes with a sonic boom arrow or one of those bullet spraying arrows right away he wins. He would have to end it quickly though because once Ollie closes the gap he would wreck. I hope he finally gets some solid H2h feats in Civil war.

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#22 Posted by Adication (1915 posts) - - Show Bio

@bflynn316: right so I guess you wanted me to go over to the other forum and give a whole synopsis on how I think the fight would go in a random encounter with standard gear and no prior knowledge to each other even tho it ask what I think for the particular scenario and with particular equipment and unspecified versions. That's the way to use the forums!! :) If that's the case then I'm gonna go to all Damian Wayne threads and make them spites and curbstomps. Do to the fact that I want to talk about and use the Damian Wayne that was revived with all kinds of powers. Or maybe I should go to all Nightwing forums and deem him the victor do to him becoming the new deadman for a while cause that's the incarnation I want to use..... Would that be fair or make sense?

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#23 Posted by newecho (7271 posts) - - Show Bio

@44orhsaj: quite the opposite from their comic book counterparts,, up close hawk would have the advantage... Anyways your assessment is also my assessment... I think if Ollie can close the distance he will win..

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#24 Posted by Amnesiak (3700 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkeye wins from a distance

Ollie wins h2h

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#26 Posted by DarthAznable (16928 posts) - - Show Bio

Clint shoots him if Oliver doesn't close to distance.

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#27 Posted by RBT (29307 posts) - - Show Bio

Clint shoots him if Oliver doesn't close to distance.

When has Clint ever shot someone who can react to arrows with their back turned?

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#28 Edited by DarthAznable (16928 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Clint has shot a chitaru ship that was speeding by without looking. He can tag Oliver. Plus his trick arrow variety is far more dangerous.

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#29 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (17212 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthaznable: his arrows can be countered, Oliver has shot four different arrows at once and hit the target.

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#30 Posted by huthimamwa (2594 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: doesn't matter. Clint has at least 3 different types of AoE arrows. His arsenal of arrows is vastly more dangerous and versatile than Ollie's. Ollie would no doubt decimate Clint in H2h. But shield tech and stark tech arrows are beyond any arrows Ollie has seen/used.

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#31 Posted by RBT (29307 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: doesn't matter. Clint has at least 3 different types of AoE arrows. His arsenal of arrows is vastly more dangerous and versatile than Ollie's. Ollie would no doubt decimate Clint in H2h. But shield tech and stark tech arrows are beyond any arrows Ollie has seen/used.

And what's the point of those arrows when Olive can simply..dodge them? Yes, Clint could possibly trap Oliver by aiming for ground instead of Oliver, but he has never done something like this. Even against, Loki, he was trying for a headshot. And unlike Loki, Oliver dodges arrows instead of catching them. And lets not pretend that Oliver is just going to stand there and let Clint take shot. Oliver has much better draw speed than Clint. What makes you say that Clint would even get a chance of shooting an arrow before Oliver shoot one in his shoulder or something? People often forget that Clint has great accuracy outside of one on one fight. Even Natasha, someone who is not comparable to Oliver is any way, was able to aim dodge Clint.

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#32 Posted by RBT (29307 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Clint has shot a chitaru ship that was speeding by without looking. He can tag Oliver. Plus his trick arrow variety is far more dangerous.

How does tagging a speeding ship imply that Clint can tag someone who can literally dodge arrows with his back turned?

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#33 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:
@huthimamwa said:

@rbt: doesn't matter. Clint has at least 3 different types of AoE arrows. His arsenal of arrows is vastly more dangerous and versatile than Ollie's. Ollie would no doubt decimate Clint in H2h. But shield tech and stark tech arrows are beyond any arrows Ollie has seen/used.

And what's the point of those arrows when Olive can simply..dodge them? Yes, Clint could possibly trap Oliver by aiming for ground instead of Oliver, but he has never done something like this. Even against, Loki, he was trying for a headshot. And unlike Loki, Oliver dodges arrows instead of catching them. And lets not pretend that Oliver is just going to stand there and let Clint take shot. Oliver has much better draw speed than Clint. What makes you say that Clint would even get a chance of shooting an arrow before Oliver shoot one in his shoulder or something? People often forget that Clint has great accuracy outside of one on one fight. Even Natasha, someone who is not comparable to Oliver is any way, was able to aim dodge Clint.

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#34 Posted by Fallschirmjager (23432 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver can and has, shot projectiles out of the sky too. There's no reason he couldn't shoot Clint's arrows out of the sky before they even hit him and fire back before Clint can react.

Oliver's reflexes are well documented and super human....Clint not so much

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#35 Posted by MAZAHS117 (12928 posts) - - Show Bio

Barton wins at range

Ollie wins in cqc h2h

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#36 Posted by RBT (29307 posts) - - Show Bio

@spector_rand: Can't see what's happening there? Do you have link to the video?

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#37 Posted by DarthAznable (16928 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Because Ollie is not faster than a speeding space ship? How often has Ollie actually dodged arrows when his back was turned? I can only think of one instance where Ollie actually dodged a bullet and even then it isn't clear.

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#38 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver can and has, shot projectiles out of the sky too. There's no reason he couldn't shoot Clint's arrows out of the sky before they even hit him and fire back before Clint can react.

Oliver's reflexes are well documented and super human....Clint not so much

Clint however has a better fire rate and a more impressive arsenal.

Clint is by far the superior marksmen.

The battle, as many have agreed, amounts to Clint at range and Oliver in CQC.

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#39 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Yeah I'll find one.

It's basically a pulse arrow that insta-KO's people. It hits the ground, not the target and is based off the tech in AoS. It's not a concussive wave but interacts with the brain.

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#40 Posted by RBT (29307 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthaznable:

Because Ollie is not faster than a speeding space ship?

That's not how it works. No Oliver is not faster than a ship, but he definitely has better reflexes.

How often has Ollie actually dodged arrows when his back was turned? I can only think of one instance where Ollie actually dodged a bullet and even then it isn't clear.

He doesn't do it every episode, but here you go-

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#41 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio
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@rbt: @around 0:58 seconds.

Clint has Arrows that if Oliver catches them, they'll explode or fire bullets in his face. He's got arrows that don't even need to hit him to OHKO him, and his explsovie arrows are more powerful.

Obviously Oliver takes it in H2H though.

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#42 Posted by Fallschirmjager (23432 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager said:

Oliver can and has, shot projectiles out of the sky too. There's no reason he couldn't shoot Clint's arrows out of the sky before they even hit him and fire back before Clint can react.

Oliver's reflexes are well documented and super human....Clint not so much

Clint however has a better fire rate and a more impressive arsenal.

Clint is by far the superior marksmen.

The battle, as many have agreed, amounts to Clint at range and Oliver in CQC.

Not really. Oliver has fired multiple arrows at once and in succession just as good as Clint.

Oliver also has trick arrows Clint can't deal with, people just ignore them because they aren't as sexily displayed on TV.

And the only time Clint has better marksmen feats were his silly no-look shots in A1 - which he never repeated in A2. Chances are we can write those off as comically as they were.

And no, it isn't. There's nothing stopping Oliver from shooting Clint's arrows ouit of the sky, including the one you linked, before it hits him. Clint has not demonstrated reactions like that and has no answer to even a regular, let alone one of Oliver's trick arrows.

Clint CAN win, but Oliver would pull a majority because he has a better chance of avoiding being hit through various means than Clint does.

H2H isn't even up for debate here.

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#43 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager:

Not really. Oliver has fired multiple arrows at once and in succession just as good as Clint.

Clint has consistently mad further shots and hit targets moving much faster than anything Oliver has tagged.

Oliver also has trick arrows Clint can't deal with, people just ignore them because they aren't as sexily displayed on TV.

What trick arrows does surpass Hawkeye's? When it comes to gear, Hawkeye has the advantage.

And the only time Clint has better marksmen feats were his silly no-look shots in A1 - which he never repeated in A2. Chances are we can write those off as comically as they were.

Calling them silly is kinda ridiculous. Thats just how good he is. He's missed once on screen, when he fought Widow. He has other no look feats, like stabbing the drone in the head or his tazer on Wanda.

And no, it isn't. There's nothing stopping Oliver from shooting Clint's arrows ouit of the sky, including the one you linked, before it hits him. Clint has not demonstrated reactions like that and has no answer to even a regular, let alone one of Oliver's trick arrows.

Clint fires faster with more deadly arrows. Oliver generally avoids arrows, in character thats his standard play. He also will go for a regular arrow first. Clint will use OP trick arrows on fodder and thugs and will kill, something Oliver won't do.

Clint CAN win, but Oliver would pull a majority because he has a better chance of avoiding being hit through various means than Clint does.

H2H isn't even up for debate here.

Clint takes range Ollie takes H2H, thats pretty much a given as nearly everyone on here concedes.

Clint has made tougher shots and made them look easy. He uses more powerful arrows in character and kills without hesitation.

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#44 Posted by RBT (29307 posts) - - Show Bio

@spector_rand: Where did you get this from? Was it mentioned somewhere in the movie?

t's basically a pulse arrow that insta-KO's people. It hits the ground, not the target and is based off the tech in AoS. It's not a concussive wave but interacts with the brain.

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#45 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: It's from Shield, and Firefly (same tech used in the show, Whedon projects etc)

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#46 Edited by Fallschirmjager (23432 posts) - - Show Bio

@spector_rand: Oliver has explosive arrows. Clint can't deal with one in any way shape or form. Oliver can shoot every arrow Clint has out of the sky.

I never said Oliver's trick arrows were better, just that he did have them, and Clint's defenses are no where near his. He has no reaction feats on the level of Oliver.

And are you really citing killing in Clint's favor? Oliver has a laundry list of people he's killed. Even now in S4 while he's busy yelling at Thea for killing people he's regularily, nonchalantly killing right before/after her. Its pretty annoying actually.

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#47 Posted by RBT (29307 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: It's from Shield, and Firefly (same tech used in the show, Whedon projects etc)

What does Firefly has to do with this? You said that the wave messed with someone's brains. Where did you get that from? It seemed like a concussive wave.

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#48 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio

@spector_rand: Oliver has explosive arrows. Clint can't deal with one in any way shape or form. Oliver can shoot every arrow Clint has out of the sky.

I never said Oliver's trick arrows were better, just that he did have them, and Clint's defenses are no where near his. He has no reaction feats on the level of Oliver.

And are you really citing killing in Clint's favor? Oliver has a laundry list of people he's killed. Even now in S4 while he's busy yelling at Thea for killing people he's regularily, nonchalantly killing right before/after her.

But why would Oliver use an explosive Arrow on a regular dude? He doesn't just spam them like that.

Depends on what you classify a reaction feat. Hitting those Chitauri, which were flying at Iron Man speeds, is far superior to anything Ollie has done.

Yeah, killing is in Clint's favour. Ollie has a no kill policy now, he wouldn't break it against another guy not threatening a loved one.

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#50 Posted by Spector_Rand (3946 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:
@spector_rand said:

@rbt: It's from Shield, and Firefly (same tech used in the show, Whedon projects etc)

What does Firefly has to do with this? You said that the wave messed with someone's brains. Where did you get that from? It seemed like a concussive wave.

They used the same tech in Firefly, Whedon used it again first in Agents of SHIELD as kind of a reference, and then the tech was adapted into Hawkeye's Arrow.

IIRC it was a Sonic wave. Wiki supports this, but I'm looking for the EP now.