Hawkeye ( MCU ) vs Green Arrow ( Arrow (TV series) )

@stryzzar: Oliver isn't the flash. Hes not dodging one explosive arrow, let alone the many Hawkeye will shoot at him, probably in tandem.

@stryzzar: Question. Did the arrow reach its target? Yes. Did the trick arrow have its intended purpose? Yes.

Ergo. Hawkeye in that example did not miss.

Your argument to discount that as a miss is no different than saying Legolas missed his target because it went through those ghosts.

Also. Hawkeye has access to S.H.I.E.L.D/Tony Stark's Tech. Hawkeye's explosive arrows are incredibly more lethal than Arrows little flash bang ones. Oliver is smarter and a better fighter, I'll give you that. However given this battle starts 100ft away on a rooftop Hawkeye has the better chance of winning due to the above. Another note: Arrow dodges by bullet timing. He's not pulling a Neo from the Matrix every time he dodges a bullet or arrow. Bullet timing depends on the assailants aim to be a little weak. Bullets and arrows travel faster than people can react, if the assailant has good enough aim, bullet timing doesn't work. Hawkeyes aim is that good.

@soaringturkeys Hawkeye stomps ez, right?

All Hawkeyes feats are irrelevent because we all know based barry just a phone call away ready to put the hurt on that play-toy avenger.

Barry Allen stomps

@supermanwins465: In that case Hawkeye calls the Avengers and Arrow and all his goofy friends get spite stomped.

Still Arrow.

Arrow stomps. and car0nshell is an obvious alt who got stomped in an other argument and now is making and anger thread trying to kill Ollie...

They won't answer his call.

Why make a thread when the op clearly had a favorite?

Btw ollie wins

Lol the same avengers that lost half of new york to a weak showing loki? kek

marvel wishes its tv programs where half as good as dc's.

clint queen or ollie barton

Still no good case for Arrow: Hawkeye's explosives have greater diameter, and given the scenario he would be inclined to use them early. How does Arrow dodge one of those?

Good theory, but you shouldn't assume. This is my first thread and account here. This is not anger thread, I respect both characters but realistically believe Hawkeye takes this given the scenario. Close quarters I know Ollie stomps.

Maybe not, but this was supposed to be 1 on 1 anyway.

I admit I don't like the character of Oliver Queen in the Arrow series, however I respect the character and do like the show. Still no good explanation how Ollie avoids exploding?

Agreed that on its own Arrow the show is way better than Agents of Shield. However, this fight was supposed to be one on one. And you know how that ends. Kek?

No.

@car0nshell:

Still no good case for Arrow: Hawkeye's explosives have greater diameter, and given the scenario he would be inclined to use them early. How does Arrow dodge one of those?

You know how explosive arrows work, right? They need to hit something to explode. Oliver can dodge an explosive arrow just the same as he dodges a normal arrow. It will only explode when it hits something. And why are you assuming that Clint will even get the chance of shooting an arrow? Oliver's draw speed is much faster. He can actually shoot Clint's arrow out of air. Oliver will put an arrow in Clint's shoulder before he can even draw one. And we all know what happens once Oliver closes in, right?

You extremely underrate Hawkeye. Remember we first saw Hawkeye in the first Thor movie where he was considered the best Agent for the job to put down Thor at that point. Hawkeye is an expert tactician in the MCU, he doesn't need to be aiming for Oliver to cause an explosion. He could hit anywhere close to Oliver for a massive explosion that would send Arrow flying. Also remember Hawkeye has access to S.H.I.E.L.D and Tony Stark's tech, is it too far of a stretch that he could have timed explosive arrows? I've only seen Season one of Arrow so far but Oliver has missed and failed ALOT. And there are others in his universe that are just as good if not better shots than him. Clint is the best in his world, hands down. Think about dat.

@car0nshell: Stop bothering me with your nonsense.

@car0nshell: show me a time when hawkeye used explosive arrows on a person he fought. He didnt use them on widow.

@car0nshell:

You extremely underrate Hawkeye.

I really don't.

Remember we first saw Hawkeye in the first Thor movie where he was considered the best Agent for the job to put down Thor at that point.

A depowered Thor, yes.

Hawkeye is an expert tactician in the MCU, he doesn't need to be aiming for Oliver to cause an explosion. He could hit anywhere close to Oliver for a massive explosion that would send Arrow flying.

And yet he aimed for Loki's eye in the Avengers. He won't know that Oliver can dodge arrows until he sees him doing so. Again, you're forgetting that Oliver's is much faster as draw than Clint.

Also remember Hawkeye has access to S.H.I.E.L.D and Tony Stark's tech, is it too far of a stretch that he could have timed explosive arrows?

He's never used them, IIRC.

And there are others in his universe that are just as good if not better shots than him. Clint is the best in his world, hands down.

And? Being best in his world doesn't make Clint better than anybody who is not best in their world.

oliver shot a m203 grenade launcher from like 30 feet while drawing,nocking and firing the arrow before it gets to him hawkeyes exploding arrow dont move as fast as grenade launchers then ollie closed the gap to bring it h2h and destroys clint

@car0nshell: and what makes you think Hawkeye is actually better at range? Arrow has all the feats as well, for a fact i dont remember him ever missing the shot. Arrow, so far outclasses him in everything except in archery where they are at similar levels. Also your Hook video to show off Clints tech, that is something Arrow does literally in every episode,.While u have been adamant on him losing. THat is an obvious anger thread where you are insisting Hawkeye wins.

@car0nshell: So Oliver's just gonna stand there and let Hawkeye take shots at him? He'll take cover and use all sorts of evasion tactics. He's a lot harder to hit than those Chitauri that blindly leave themselves open.

@soaringturkeys: I know, but "not miss" isn't the same as "hit".

Anyway, I'm not saying Oliver is going to stomp Hawkeye. Both will put up a good fight and give each other a lot of trouble. It's just Oliver is a notch above opponents that Hawkeye has so far been seen dealing with and will not let himself be a sitting duck.

Well half of you lothaven't watched AoU yet so i won't say much but hawkeye now stomps

Its okay. Hawkeye probably won't kill him. Just rough him up a bit, don't be sad :(.

He used one on Loki.

What I'm saying is Clint so far is the best archer in the world, no one comes close in his universe. He stands out. Oliver on the other hand isn't the best in his world, hes just way above average. Being the best is different from being advanced. From this Clint is a better archer.

I wasn't biased until heard a good argument for Hawkeye, I made this thread to see who's better. This isn't an exact dupe.

Grenade launcher can travel 600 mph so then Arrow has inhuman reflexes, impossible, when did this happen?

In the series, he missed alot. I'm just on season 1. Hawkeye only missed once when he was mind controlled by Lokis infinity gem. Hawkeyes tech is made from a vast organization and tony Stark himself. Arrows tech cannot compete. He has similar stuff but they are not as polished as Hawkeyes tech.

When Oliver dodges high speed projectiles he's not pulling a Neo from the matrix. What he's doing is called bullet-timing and it heavily depends on the shooters aim. Someone as good as Hawkeye wouldn't miss that easily, its called leading your shots.

AoU not released yet but Hawkeye does take this.

@car0nshell: What exactly makes your thread different from the others?

L. D.

@car0nshell:

What I'm saying is Clint so far is the best archer in the world, no one comes close in his universe. He stands out. Oliver on the other hand isn't the best in his world, hes just way above average. Being the best is different from being advanced. From this Clint is a better archer.

This is one of the worst logic I've seen.

@car0nshell: season 2 episode 4 it may have been longer than 30 feet but still did it

The premise.

Think about it like this. The MCU is its own self-contained universe that Hawkeye happens to be the best archer in. Arrowverse has Oliver who is just above average. Now both these universes in their own respects give us their own version of reality. So if we do a vs thread we are combining both of the universes together. If we were to map MCU onto Arrowverse Hawkeye would still be way ahead of Oliver. When we do cross universe battles that's what we are talking about.

I'll check it out but if they allowed him to do that then that feat is almost too unrealistic to believe.

If you haven't seen Arrow Season 2, then I can understand why you'd make this argument. In Ses 2 Oliver uses tech that's on par or very close to Hawkeye's. He frequently uses exploding arrows (not flash bang ones), especially in the final 3 episodes. Also in the second last episode he explains that his bow is high-tech and does a lot of the work already, which is why Laurel is able to use it. In addition, Oliver uses a lot more trick arrows than Hawkeye does. Off the top of my head there's grappling hook arrow, boxing glove arrow, net arrow, flash bang arrows, exploding arrow, hacking arrow, electric arrow, injection arrow .etc. Hawkeye has only been shown with 3 different trick arrows tops.

Firstly "bullet time" is the thing that Neo does, search it up on Wikipedia and Tvtropes, but that's besides the point. Anyway, there's a difference between not missing and being able to predict exactly where your opponent will go. The Chitauri move in a straight trajectory so it's quite obvious where they will be seconds later. However, someone trained in martial arts like Oliver would not be so predictable with his moves, and will make it a lot harder for Hawkeye to know where his position will be. Sure Hawkeye can hit any point he wants, but Hawkeye can't know exactly which point Oliver will be.

@stryzzar: You make a good case for Arrow, I'm starting to believe you... Ok. Its a draw then. Arrow and Hawkeye both stalemate.

@car0nshell: Have you gotten to season two yet??

It's been done but Ollie was gotten better recently. I still think Ollie would lose at this point.

@newecho: I put Arrow on hold for Daredevil lol. I think I'm going to take it slow, I just finished all of DD and now I have to catch up on AoS before AoU....So many comic book shows. Anyway I think Arrow might stalemate or beat Hawkeye if everything you guys are telling me is true.

@car0nshell: dd was awesome, , loved that show.. I think it will be alot closer after AOU between Hawkeye and arrow...

@car0nshell: Thank you, that's pretty much what I thought from the start. Given that the fight stays at long range, then yes it would end up in a stalemate.

Also, Daredevil is epic. Way better than Ben Affleck's version and quite a nice addition to MCU.

@benk111: Yeah, we have to see what Hawkeye does in Age of Ultron.

Exactly, so the rules and stipulations are essentially the same. That was exactly my point.

L. D.

@llehdevil: That doesn't make it a dupe, does it?

8 days...

Hawkeye takes this comfortably. He dodges repulsor fire and has too many versatile arrows. Hell, he has an adaptation of the Thunderstick as an arrow. Oliver can't win here. H2H is tougher to call though.

@spector_rand: Don't spoil anything for me, but is this opinion coming after seeing AoU? ( it's not out here, yet ). Yes, or no.

@car0nshell: Yeah haha

The movie can't come soon enough!

Hawkeye is the better archer and realistically one shots with his arsenal.

Arrow. Hawkeye's a bitch.

bump due to civil war

@ussj3071: Did Clint get an upgrade?