Harry Potter vs Snape

Location: Hagrid cabin

Harry is Auror

Snape from HP blood prince

Kill or Desarm

Snaps stomps

Harry gets unlucky

What? Why...But Harry defeats Voldemort and he is very good in duel...

@guedesevery: Harry beat Voldemort on a technicality. He has no feats as an adult, so we can only go on feats he does have, and he can't beat Snape.

While I'm sure Harry must have gotten a lot better after his Auror training, I don't see him getting that better. Snape should take this.

Snape stomps.

This is sad...I has thinking Harry is soo more stronger than snape

Soo

1-Dumbledore

2-Grindelwald

3-Snape

4-Harry

:(

Harry is massively outskilled by Snape lmao, especially the movie version who just spams expepelliarmus.

Snape. He beat a rage amped Harry while holding back to not hurt him. Here he won't be holding back, and Harry won't be rage amped. Snape wins this.

@guedesevery: Harry is not even so high in the ranking lol. He's top of average at best. Snape is not so high either.

Dear goodness, Snape would decimate Harry with the flick of his wand. This isn't even a contest.

Unless Harry gets really good feats in the Cursed Child Snape murderlize Harry like would do to James.

So guys, snape wins Voldemort without Horcruxes?

Harry only beat Voldemort because the Elder Wand refused to attack its rightful owner.

And he would not have lasted 2 months in Hogwarts without Hermione. Snape stomps.

Uncertain. I'm leaning towards Snape due to Harry's lack of auror-level duelling feats from CC, although that may have been due to the fact that it is meant to be a theatre play so some things just can't be well visualy presented there.

@guedesevery: No, he doesn't.

When I see people arguing Harry is the strongest wizard, I lol and peace out.

@anthp2000: I know that feel. According to my top list he's not even in the top10 xD. He's 14 at best.

1. Albus Dumbledore
2. Gellert Grindelwald
3. Lord Voldemort
4. Bellatrix Lestrange
5. Amelia Bones
6. Filius Flitwick
7. Antonin Dolohov
8. Minverva McGonagall
9. Kingsley Shacklebolt
10. Severus Snape
11. Horace Slughorn
12. Alastor Moody
13. Remus Lupin
14. Harry Potter

Snape probably still wins.

@xerolot: Nice list. I think Snape and Shacklebolt could be switched, but it's very debatable.

@anthp2000: Grindelwald and Voldemort are debatable as well, but I think that Gellert is slightly better due to this

@xerolot: have yet to watch the movie, believe it or not.

@anthp2000: I have not seen it either.

Well in terms of protagonism Harry need to be in 3

@xerolot:

Grindelwald is not above Voldemort.

Grindelwald with the Elder Wand lost a duel with Dumbledore.

Voldemort stalemated Dumbledore that had the Elder Wand at that time.

People were shitting their pants on the sound of Voldemorts name, that was not the case for Grindelwald.

Back to the topic: Snape destroyes Harry in a duel. Not even a challenge.

• Harry beating nothless man because the wand see him as the master ,in another words :PLOT ARMOR
• SNAPE ALREADY BEAT HARRY.

Is it a regular snake, or a really big one like the snake in the second movie I mean book?

No snake,it's Snape vs Harry.

Snape uses Stompicus Totallus, it's super-effective!

It's sad to see Harry lose this duel, he was to be one of the most powerful wizards in history, getting on top with Dumbledore, it's a shame that JK did not do this ...

Is this prime Harry or Harry like he was in The Cursed Child. I see the latter losing, but the former wins.

When he was 16, not even graduated from Hogwarts yet, and totally emotionally destroyed from just seeing Dumbledore die.

Magic does not work like that, it's not a fist fight. Rage is only good for the purpose of unforgiveable curses, as a form of "killing" intent. Even after seeing his godfather 'die' in front of his eyes, Harry did not manage to pull out a decent Crucio against Bellatrix.

Being enraged makes one sloppy and rash. Even Snape commented on that during their fight, as it allowed him to even more easily use legilimency on Harry.

@cpt_nice said:

When he was 16, not even graduated from Hogwarts yet

He basically did graduate, because he never completed his seventh year. In 1997-1998, which would be Harry' seventh year, Voldemort took over the Wizarding World, and after Voldemort died at the end of Deathly Hallows, Hermione was the only one from the trio that decided to finish the seventh year at Hogwarts.

and totally emotionally destroyed from just seeing Dumbledore die.

He was super enraged at this in the aftermath, and even more enraged at Snape for being a traitor and stabbing Dumbledore through the back, so that only would increase his focus in killing Snape (that's what he wanted to do, basically.)

it's not a fist fight.

If it were a fist fight, Harry would have been one-shotted in that state.

Rage is only good for the purpose of unforgiveable curses,

Incarcerous and Sectumsempra, the spells Harry used, are more lethal than Crucio or Imperio. Umbridge has killed (or at least neary killed) a centaur with Incarcerous, and Centaurs>>Humans in durability. And Umbridge wasn't that good of a witch anyway. And Sectumsempra was capable of inflicting mortal wounds all over one's body and probably make them bleed to death. Crucio only causes a high amount of pain for a few moments.

Even after seeing his godfather 'die' in front of his eyes, Harry did not manage to pull out a decent Crucio against Bellatrix.

• Harry was considerably tired after that uphill battle that went wrong with Malfoy and the Death Eaters.
• Sirius was killed in the heat of the battle by a known enemy; Dumbledore was "betrayed" by someone who appeared loyal in a moment of weakness for the former. The circumstances of Dumbledore's death disgusted Harry. And Dumbledore was a very good friend of Harry and knew him for longer than Sirius.

as it allowed him to even more easily use legilimency on Harry.

Harry was untrained in and a noob at Occlumency, and Snape was a very powerful Legilimens, so of course he'd penetrate Harry's mind in any circumstance. Snape and Harry both hated each other anyway, so it would be hard for Harry to learn anything.

@the_silence: Kek, we are talking about Griendalwald who can throw cars with wandless magic and rolfstomp ~20 aurors at once. Griendelwald who was able to fight against Dumbledore in few hours long legendary fight and about Voldemort who has wet pants when he need to fight against Dumbledore for 5 minutes

Why is Alastor so low? He should be above Kingsley Shacklebolt, considering Voledmort went after Alastor and not Kingsley in the battle of the seven potters, because he thought that the strongest auror will be the one protecting Harry.

Also, isn't Molly supposed to be here, considering she defeated Bellatrix in a duel, fair and square?

Also, what makes Antonin Dolohov superior to Snape, who was clearly Voldemort's "most faithful servant?" All Antonin did was get stupefied by Harry. And Filius? He's kind of featless. What puts him above McGonagall who defeated Snape in a duel?

I would also switch Voldemort and Grindelwald, but that is debatable.

Here's how I think it would go:

1. Albus Dumbledore
2. Lord Voldemort
3. Gellert Grindelwald
4. Amelia Bones
5. Minerva Mcgonagall
6. Severus Snape
7. Molly Weasley
8. Bellatrix Lestrange
9. Alastor Moody
10. Kingsley Shacklebolt
11. Horace Slughorn
12. Filius Flitwick
13. Antonin Dolohov
14. Remus Lupin
15. Sirius Black

@xerolot:

You realize that during those 5 minutes Voldemort had a chance to kill Dumbledore right?

Dumbledore was attacked from two sides at the same time and Fawkes had to take the hit from Voldemorts killing curse to save him. In, the end the fight was interrupted, so it's not Voldemorts falt that the duel was short. Even he can't take down Dumbledore with Elder Wand and multiple aurors at the same time. No one can.

Voldemorts 5 minutes performence was still more impressive then Grindelwald not being able to kill Dumbledore for few hours despite having the most powerful wand in the world.

Also, acording to books Voldemort is "the most powerful and dangerous Dark wizard of all time", while Grindelwald was considered 2nd best. It's pretty much a canon fact that Voldemort > Grindelwald.

@the_silence:

Dumbledore was attacked from two sides at the same time and Fawkes had to take the hit from Voldemorts killing curse to save him

I'm aware of that. Impressive feat, but according to your logic "He was stated to be the most powrfull etc" it was stated that Voldemort always knew that he's far inferior to Dumbledore and was too afraid to face him.

Voldemorts 5 minutes performence was still more impressive then Grindelwald not being able to kill Dumbledore for few hours despite having the most powerful wand in the world.

And Grindelwald reflexes and wandless magic performance was more impressive than disarming a kid and dueling 1vs1 than blocking ~5-10 spells simultaneously

Voldemort is "the most powerful and dangerous Dark wizard of all time", while Grindelwald was considered 2nd best. It's pretty much a canon fact that Voldemort > Grindelwald.

It was stated not by the author but by wizards rumors and newspapers. They are more afraid of Voldemort because he's a new danger. Current danger. When Grindelwald was defeated he couldn't be still number 1 dark wizard because he lost.

@xerolot:

It was stated not by the author but by wizards rumors and newspapers. They are more afraid of Voldemort because he's a new danger. Current danger. When Grindelwald was defeated he couldn't be still number 1 dark wizard because he lost.

You're forgetting that Voldemort was defeated as well when the newspaper was published.

@bladeoffury:

First of all. Alastor is so low because he's featless. He's on the list only because he was able to block two spells coming from two other sides simultaneously.

Also, isn't Molly supposed to be here, considering she defeated Bellatrix in a duel, fair and square?

It was PIS. Even author of the books stated that she wished to show us the "power of love" what is the deus ex machina. Besides one fight (What was PIS) she is featless.

Also, what makes Antonin Dolohov superior to Snape, who was clearly Voldemort's "most faithful servant?" All Antonin did was get stupefied by Harry. And Filius? He's kind of featless. What puts him above McGonagall who defeated Snape in a duel?

Snape is almost featless duel wise while Dolohov was one of the strongest death eaters besides Bellatrix. The most faithful servant mean that Snape one of the most trusted and loyal servants of the Dark Lord. Not the strongest. Filius rolfstomped Dolohov what is amazing feat. McGonagall defeated Snape mostly because he doesn't wanted to fight with her. He had another task, important task to do - destroy Voldemort.

1. Albus Dumbledore - Agree
2. Lord Voldemort
3. Gellert Grindelwald - Both are debatable
4. Amelia Bones - Agree
5. Minerva Mcgonagall - Far too high
6. Severus Snape - Lol, Featless Snape so high?
7. Molly Weasley - Please. Just no. Even author fo the books stated that was PIS
8. Bellatrix Lestrange - Should be higher
9. Alastor Moody - Should be slightly lower due to lack of feats
10. Kingsley Shacklebolt - agree
11. Horace Slughorn - agree
12. Filius Flitwick - Should be higher due to greater dueling knowledge
13. Antonin Dolohov - Should be higher
14. Remus Lupin - ok
15. Sirius Black - featless. I mean really featless

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@xerolot:

Grindelwald throwing car with wandless magic is something that Voldemort should be able to replicate. During the battle of Hogwart he pushed a dead giant out of his way with a lazy wave of his hand. In a department of misteries he wandlessly summoned Fiendfyre snake.

He even shown unwanted magic as a child on such level that he impressed Dumbledore (controling animals, telekinesis powerful enougth to lift people, cousing "bad things" to happen to others etc). Based on that we can asume that he could do much more witthout a wand as a fully trained vizard.

@the_silence: Yeah we can assume that. But for me there's no solid proof Voldemort is superior. I would put them as equals at least. I hope we will see few amazing feats for Grindelwald in the next movie + some feats for Voldemort would be good too

@xerolot:

If Rowling herself admitted that Molly's fight with Bellatrix was PIS, then OK. I refreshed my memory on Antonin, and remembered that he even beat Alastor, which is very impressive. But then again, featless Sirius fought equally with Antonin, which is kind of contradictory. But what of Flitwick? Isn't he completely featless?

@bladeoffury: Dolohov was able to defeat a lot of powerfull wizards. Including that he has killed Remus Lupin (Who was able to lolblitz ~17-18 years old Harry from the last book). Filius was able to kill Dolohov in a fair fight. +He was the charmmaster and the best school duelist (since he joined to Hogwarts). Due to his massive knowledge, size advantage and experience I rate him so high.

I think in duel in 1vs1 with Harry and Dolohov Harry wins and more one thing

It's sad to see Harry lose this duel, he was to be one of the most powerful wizards in history, getting on top with Dumbledore, it's a shame that JK did not do this ...

If Lupin wasn't able to beat Dolohov then Harry won't do it either, at least not teenage Harry.

It would be really weird for Auror adult Harry to not be at least Snape/high Death Eater/high Hogwarts teacher level

I don't remember this ever being stated or even implied

Snape. The only way Potter wins is with the elder wand, which he (stupidly) destroyed.

He basically did graduate, because he never completed his seventh year. In 1997-1998, which would be Harry' seventh year, Voldemort took over the Wizarding World, and after Voldemort died at the end of Deathly Hallows, Hermione was the only one from the trio that decided to finish the seventh year at Hogwarts

You are totally missing the point. It isn't a matter of whether he technically graduated or not. What I am saying is that he is way more experienced here than when he fought Snape in high school.

He was super enraged at this in the aftermath, and even more enraged at Snape for being a traitor and stabbing Dumbledore through the back, so that only would increase his focus in killing Snape (that's what he wanted to do, basically.)

The Harry Potter verse has never once worked like that.

If it were a fist fight, Harry would have been one-shotted in that state.

Not that it is relevant, but I why?

Incarcerous and Sectumsempra, the spells Harry used, are more lethal than Crucio or Imperio. Umbridge has killed (or at least neary killed) a centaur with Incarcerous, and Centaurs>>Humans in durability. And Umbridge wasn't that good of a witch anyway. And Sectumsempra was capable of inflicting mortal wounds all over one's body and probably make them bleed to death. Crucio only causes a high amount of pain for a few moments.

How does that prove that being enraged increases one's ability at magic?

Harry was considerably tired after that uphill battle that went wrong with Malfoy and the Death Eaters. Sirius was killed in the heat of the battle by a known enemy; Dumbledore was "betrayed" by someone who appeared loyal in a moment of weakness for the former. The circumstances of Dumbledore's death disgusted Harry. And Dumbledore was a very good friend of Harry and knew him for longer than Sirius.

True but how does this prove anything?

Harry was untrained in and a noob at Occlumency, and Snape was a very powerful Legilimens, so of course he'd penetrate Harry's mind in any circumstance.

This is again true, but Harry showed himself to be somewhat able to close off his mind, if he concentrated very hard. In their fight, he was totally enraged and not at all concentrated.

You wrote a whole lot of fluff without addressing my main two points:

* Being enraged does not increase magic ability, as there is no proof of this in the Potter verse. If anything it makes someone less focussed.

* Harry is A LOT more experienced here than he is when he last battled Snape.

@bladeoffury: Moody is low because he is all hype and no feats to back it off. He got fodderised by a wounded and fatigued Dolohov. Kingsley duelled multiple death eaters at once on more than one occasion and was successful every time.

Putting either Snape or McGonagall above Kingsley is asinine. I actually mostly agree with @xerolot 's list (thanks for linking to my thread btw) for reasons stated, except I would put Kingsley higher and Harry honestly does not even make the top 20. If we are talking teenage Harry, at least. His auror version is probably top 15.

But then again, featless Sirius fought equally with Antonin, which is kind of contradictory. But what of Flitwick?

Their duel lasted less than half a page. This is the entirety of the fight.

Dolohov raised his wand again. “Accio Proph —” Sirius hurtled out of nowhere, rammed Dolohov with his shoulder, and sent him flying out of the way. The prophecy had again flown to the tips of Harry’s fingers but he had managed to cling to it. Now Sirius and Dolohov were dueling, their wands flashing like swords, sparks flying from their wand tips — Dolohov drew back his wand to make the same slashing movement he had used on Harry and Hermione. Springing up, Harry yelled, “Petrificus Totalus!” Once again, Dolohov’s arms and legs snapped together and he keeled over backward, landing with a crash on his back.

In fact, Dolohov might have dealt with Sirius as well as Moody if Harry had not intervened. Also, like I said, Dolohov was already fatigued and wounded at this point.

The Death Eaters all halted, gazing at him. Some were panting as hard as he was. One was bleeding badly; Dolohov, freed of the full Body-Bind, was leering, his wand pointing straight at Harry’s face.

Sirius was sort of fresh.