H2H: Serious Saitama vs Pseudo Super Saiyan Goku

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#1  Edited By jonathancarlton

Well, this is the closest fight that we will ever get to see a fight between this two I guess before Saitama gets a potential power creep in One-Punch Man, but anyways let us see how this fight goes. Saitama is around star level according to Secret One-Punch Man Notes Compus stating that Boros's Collapsing Star Roaring Roaring Cannon can obliterate the star with Saitama canceling out the attack like it was nothing, and obviously we don't want Saitama fighting against Frieza tier opponents who can destroy Namek that span an explosion that reached several light years in the anime. Therefore, Slug tier opponents will be the challenger for Saitama in this fight!

  • Mindset: Blood lust + In character
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  • Location: Earth
  • Restrictions: Outside interference
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Note: Goku is restricted from using any ki abilities and techniques in this fight outside of physical, spiritual, and mental amps, since his opponent Saitama is pretty much a walking brick and a super human. This fight is purely based on hand-to-hand combat.

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"Looks like I finally found myself a very worthy adversary to truly test my true strength against without me having to holding back anymore!"
"Wow! For an ordinary human who haven't been trained in martial arts, you sure hit a lot like a mallet! I feel so very excited of having to fight against you, now the real fight begins!"

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Anyone? I didn't tag so many people in this battle thread just so that everyone can run away!

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#5  Edited By Morningstar999

...If he can't use Ki attacks, he basically becomes just an average superhuman, so he needs to use Ki manipulation. DB characters always fight with Ki, even with their physicals, it's their life force, it's like making Naruto fight without Chakra with just his fists. Goku stomps this because he scales stupidly above Saiyan Saga Vegeta, who is above Raditz, who could also deflect BOZ Goku's Kamehameha, which was moon busting, with his bare hands. This Goku would have a PL around...First Form Frieza or above probably, who should already be above Saitama's paygrade.

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#6  Edited By jonathancarlton
@morningstar999 said:

...If he can't use Ki attacks, he basically becomes just an average superhuman, so he needs to use Ki manipulation. DB characters always fight with Ki, even with their physicals, it's their life force, it's like making Naruto fight without Chakra with just his fists. Goku stomps this because he scales stupidly above Saiyan Saga Vegeta, who is above Raditz, who could also deflect BOZ Goku's Kamehameha, which was moon busting, with his bare hands. This Goku would have a PL around...First Form Frieza or above probably, who should already be above Saitama's paygrade.

Isn't First Form Frieza only Dwarf Star level or Large Star level depending on the calculation? Since Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug came out in March 9, 1991 (Japan), this version of Goku wouldn't scale above Dragon Ball Z characters up to chapter 106 and episode 81.

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#7  Edited By TheWalterWhite

Saitama makes a fist sized hole in his head by punching.

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Still goku. Saitama doesn’t seem to be skilled

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Goku is more skilled and is stronger, he takes this

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#11  Edited By Belando

Still Goku. I'm sure this will change rather shortly, within a year or two. However, if we're going the webcomic route. We do in fact see that Saitama can be outmaneuvered due to lack of skill, even if he leads by a ridiculous margin in stats. In this case, he doesn't really lead in stats, but still lacks skill.

Goku should take it, but as I said, this can change shortly.

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@belando said:

Still Goku. I'm sure this will change rather shortly, within a year or two. However, if we're going the webcomic route. We do in fact see that Saitama can be outmaneuvered due to lack of skill, even if he leads by a ridiculous margin in stats. In this case, he doesn't really lead in stats, but still lacks skill.

Goku should take it, but as I said, this can change shortlyl.

What happened in the webtoon?

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#13  Edited By Belando

@jonathancarlton: Garou was able to dodge, avoid and counter Saitama, even when admittedly being vastly inferior in strength and power because Saitama's movements were very predictable, and that of an amateur.

Really recommend reading it. From Chapter 87 in the webcomics. If you have a Mangadex-profile here.

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#15  Edited By Eredin12  Online

Goku murks him, this is Raditz overpowering force of localized explosion made by Gokus moon level Kamehameha after it exploded with one arm

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if he can do that to moon level one, this Goku can easily do that to large planet level one even if he is only on first form Frieza level( since that Frieza still destroyed Planet Vegeta casually, while suppressed) which makes him stronger, on top of that he is also much faster and more skilled

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#16  Edited By jonathancarlton
@eredin12 said:

Goku stomps, this is Raditz overpowering force of explosion made by Gokus moon level Kamehameha

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if he can do that to moon level one, this Goku can easily do that to large planet level one even if he is only on first form Frieza level( since that Frieza still destroyed Planet Vegeta casually, while suppressed) which makes him stronger, on top of that he is also much faster and more skilled

Can we please kill this moon level lowball nonsense with fire?

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Roshi had a power level of 180 when he destroyed the moon way back in Dragon Ball manga with his Kamehameha, in the anime this attack would translate to around planet level due to the fact that we are taking both the timeframe, the vaporization method, the size of the explosion, and the general balance equation into consideration. Goku had a power of 910 when he fought against Raditz, so do mind telling me how is Goku's Kamehameha is only moon level when it's actually large planet level?

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Goku gets one-punched. It's literally in the name.

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Saitama punches his head off

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H2H? Saitama blinks Goku out of existence.

Every Dragonball character is fucking garbage in physicals, they're only wanked because of their bullshit "ki" system.

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#22  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@abdulboriy:

Saitama punches his head off

Not canon Saitama no, that is only ture if we used NLF Saitama, with canon, it's quite opposite in fact, Goku is a much stronger one here, as well as much faster and more skilled, Saitama is currently only moon+ level really at best, while this Goku is well above planet level, Saitama best feat of overpowering CSRC is not really much above what Raditz did above, even Saiyan Saga Vegeta can match Saitama here really, that Vegeta has tanked planetary+ force as well, so Saitama is not coming even close to " punching his head off" lol

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Every Dragonball character is fucking garbage in physicals, they're only wanked because of their bullshit "ki" system.

So we are going to ignore Goku and Beerus universal fist bump feat where they shaked and were going to destroy the universe with just shockwaves of their 3 fist bumps, or them trading universe busting blows later in their brawl, even omniscient narrator himslef confirmed that those blows were that strong

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Then, in the same fight, you have Goku erasing a star-like orb made of high universal+ energy with a single punch, another clear universal striking feat

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Then we have Gogeta and Broly destroying realities by the shockwave of their clash, yet another universal feat infinitely above OPM verse

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Then you have Jiren erasing Hits dimension/ space-time continuum with a punch( his dimension is universal, as its made of time he skips, and since time is universal constant, he skips time on the universal scale and uses it to make his dimension), or him shaking Null realm by walking, Namek Frieza overpowering and reflecting large planet level blast with just a kick while heavily suppressed( Saitamas best feat is doing just that to moon level one), and SSJ Goku doing the same thing here, he even punched said multi mountain-sized blast to another planet at MFTL speed

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SS3 Goku and Buu making galaxy-level explosions in their brawl among many other feats, I could go on for a long time really since there are many feats that prove this, in fact, Raditz alone has the feat of matching the force of moon-level explosion(AP wise) made by Gokus Kamehameha with his bare hands as you can see above. On top of that, even if we did not have all these feats to prove that their physicals are comperable to their energy output, not only was it shown that their blasts do damage by kinetic energy/ force ( just like punches do) many times, but it was also even stated in the Daizenshuu itself

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"! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!"."

And they tank that force just fine and yet are still hurt by punches from other characters which shows how strong they are, of course, you cannot expect them to destroy planets or universes with evrey punch lol, that would ruin the plot, hell most of the series happends on earth they are trying to save as well, that is why AP is the thing, literally the same thing is in Saint Seiya or Bastard, fact that you even think that people like Cell and even Whis are weaker than Saitama or Boros speaks a lot

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H2H? Saitama blinks Goku out of existence.

Every Dragonball character is fucking garbage in physicals, they're only wanked because of their bullshit "ki" system.

You realize Raditz tanked a blast from a guy who could vaporize a moon, right? Then that same guy who vaporized the moon surpassed Raditz and was damaged via punches from Nappa. Put two and two together.

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@ssjbatdan: If Saitama punches Goku, he pushes Goku back a little bit or just end up breaking his arm, but if Goku punches Saitama, he breaks his bones or punches a hole straight through him.

End of Frieza Saga Goku is just too much for Saitama

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@ssjbatdan: If Saitama punches Goku, he pushes Goku back a little bit or just end up breaking his arm, but if Goku punches Saitama, he breaks his bones or punches a hole straight through him.

End of Frieza Saga Goku is just too much for Saitama

Well, this is like an amped Ginyu Saga Goku. Saitama might have a chance.

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#28  Edited By jonathancarlton
@king-jagi said:

@ssjbatdan: If Saitama punches Goku, he pushes Goku back a little bit or just end up breaking his arm, but if Goku punches Saitama, he breaks his bones or punches a hole straight through him.

End of Frieza Saga Goku is just too much for Saitama

Daizenshuu 6 notes that the movie takes place after Goku's arrival on Namek (at the time when he is in the midst of battle) but before the final showdown with Frieza, and Goku's transformation into a Super Saiyan.[3]

This film presumably takes place at least one year after the events of Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might; when Lord Slug is reading Bulma's mind, one of the images is Krillin, Bulma, and Oolong summoning Shenron with the outfits they wear at the beginning of The Tree of Might. Additionally, the dragon Icarus also appears in the film who was originally introduced in The Tree of Might.

This version of Goku isn't end of Frieza Saga, but rather end of Captain Ginyu Saga.

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@eredin12: Saitama overpowered Boro's CSRC which is planetary or Start level(guidebook) with his serious punch and Boros said Saitama had strength to spare and he never stood a chance. Saitama also shattered the moons surface from the impact of his leap. He also scales far above Psykorochi who was able to shave off a portion of the planets surface which was calculated to be multi continental but it's at least country level.

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#30  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@abdulboriy:

Saitama overpowered Boro's CSRC which is planetary or Start level(guidebook) with his serious punch and Boros said Saitama had strength to spare and he never stood a chance.

Star thing was a mistranslation really, that wrod in Japanese can mean both the moon, planet or star, the planet is possible, but i think moon level is most likely really and what i personally use, but even if we went with planet level option, this Goku can easily do same, and lot more, this Goku can overpower large planet level blasts with his hits

Saitama also shattered the moons surface from the impact of his leap. He also scales far above Psykorochi who was able to shave off a portion of the planets surface which was calculated to be multi continental but it's at least country level.

Problem is that is fodder to this Goku, the first feat is just multi continetal(he did not really destroy enitre surface either there) that is nothing to this Goku, guy who scales above the first form Frieza lol, i do agree that Psykos feat is multi continental+, but the problem is its lot bellow full power Kamehameha of Saiyan Saga Goku, and Raditz matched the force of concentrated/ localized explosion it made when it exploded with his bare hands, one hand in fact

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this is the beam( just stronger) that can not only shatter the surface of the moon but the entire moon extremly violently

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Saitama currently gets beat here pretty easily, he is outclassed in both stats and skills

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@jonathancarlton: Then he'd have a base of 3 million after recovering. Since he could go up to kaioken x20, this form must be higher than it. Saitama stands no chance.

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@jonathancarlton: Then he'd have a base of 3 million after recovering. Since he could go up to kaioken x20, this form must be higher than it. Saitama stands no chance.

Not really since the event of Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug takes place before Frieza Saga.

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Saitama is on Freiza tier imo he wins.

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@ssjbatdan said:

@jonathancarlton: Then he'd have a base of 3 million after recovering. Since he could go up to kaioken x20, this form must be higher than it. Saitama stands no chance.

Not really since the event of Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug takes place before Frieza Saga.

That doesn't even make sense. And what, so Goku is in a rejuvenation chamber?

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@boby501: Huh? Unelss you think star level Boros is legit, then not even close really, the first form Frieza already has feat far above any Saitama has

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#36  Edited By jonathancarlton
@ssjbatdan said:
@jonathancarlton said:
@ssjbatdan said:

@jonathancarlton: Then he'd have a base of 3 million after recovering. Since he could go up to kaioken x20, this form must be higher than it. Saitama stands no chance.

Not really since the event of Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug takes place before Frieza Saga.

That doesn't even make sense. And what, so Goku is in a rejuvenation chamber?

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Don't ask, the movie timelines doesn't even make sense to any degree.

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@ssjbatdan said:
@jonathancarlton said:
@ssjbatdan said:

@jonathancarlton: Then he'd have a base of 3 million after recovering. Since he could go up to kaioken x20, this form must be higher than it. Saitama stands no chance.

Not really since the event of Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug takes place before Frieza Saga.

That doesn't even make sense. And what, so Goku is in a rejuvenation chamber?

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Don't ask, the movie timelines doesn't even make sense to any degree.

I am going to ask because you're the one bringing it up. If it doesn't make sense, don't bring it up.

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#38  Edited By jonathancarlton
@boby501 said:

Saitama is on Freiza tier imo he wins.

Not even close.

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50% Final Form Frieza pulled off this Solar System level attack simply from blowing up Namek in the anime, Frieza even stated that he held back because he was afraid of getting caught in the explosion. As of right now, no one in One-Punch Man can defeat 50% Final Form Frieza.

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Pretty sure Goku murks Saitama.

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Thing solos

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Thing solos

Where does this meme come from?

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Goku one punches him

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@jonathancarlton: yah low star tier Freiza is, and so is Saitama by hype if in fact a single serious punch is on the planet scale due the the fact it was far stronger than Boros planet surface attack just imagine what a consecutive serious one will do and the level of its destruction.

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@boby501 said:

Saitama is on Freiza tier imo he wins.

Not even close.

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50% Final Form Frieza pulled off this Solar System level attack simply from blowing up Namek in the anime, Frieza even stated that he held back because he was afraid of getting caught in the explosion. As of right now, no one in One-Punch Man can defeat 50% Final Form Frieza.

That Solar system level feat for Frieza is seen as a complete outlier even by the fandom.

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@jonathancarlton said:
@boby501 said:

Saitama is on Freiza tier imo he wins.

Not even close.

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50% Final Form Frieza pulled off this Solar System level attack simply from blowing up Namek in the anime, Frieza even stated that he held back because he was afraid of getting caught in the explosion. As of right now, no one in One-Punch Man can defeat 50% Final Form Frieza.

That Solar system level feat for Frieza is seen as a complete outlier even by the fandom.

It makes literally no sense.

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Thing solos

Where does this meme come from?

I've heard it's from Toratorn.

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@powerpoint72 said:
@jonathancarlton said:
@boby501 said:

Saitama is on Freiza tier imo he wins.

Not even close.

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50% Final Form Frieza pulled off this Solar System level attack simply from blowing up Namek in the anime, Frieza even stated that he held back because he was afraid of getting caught in the explosion. As of right now, no one in One-Punch Man can defeat 50% Final Form Frieza.

That Solar system level feat for Frieza is seen as a complete outlier even by the fandom.

It makes literally no sense.

it makes Super perfect Cell's and the guidebooks statement's completely redundant

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Goku is more skilled and is stronger, he takes this

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@ssjbatdan said:
@powerpoint72 said:
@jonathancarlton said:
@boby501 said:

Saitama is on Freiza tier imo he wins.

Not even close.

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50% Final Form Frieza pulled off this Solar System level attack simply from blowing up Namek in the anime, Frieza even stated that he held back because he was afraid of getting caught in the explosion. As of right now, no one in One-Punch Man can defeat 50% Final Form Frieza.

That Solar system level feat for Frieza is seen as a complete outlier even by the fandom.

It makes literally no sense.

it makes Super perfect Cell's and the guidebooks statement's completely redundant

Not just that, but how does something with solar system power not just blow up Namek instantly?